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435 Responses to “Interview with Anonymous, on Alphaville’s Bondage, Discipline & Sadomasochism Community”

1. 

   gyrryl
   

   Jan 1st, 2004
   

   ~giggles~
   ~waves~

   brigit’s my sister
   and she’s my hero
   _yerbrook’s a pisser
   and he’s a zero
   brigit’s my sister
   and she’s my hero
   _yerbrook’s a pisser
   and he’s a zero

   ~blows kisses to all the Masters/Mistresses and Dom/mes~
   ~sends love to her brothers and sisters~
   ~tells sister shi “pssst…you can keep my pompom” ~winks~

   ~Happy New Year, A/all~
2. 

   Lady Julianna
   

   Jan 1st, 2004
   

   If Dyerbrook or his alters or friends come onto your property and use foul language, hit that report button my friends and report him to Maxis. If he does it enough, Maxis will suspend his account and we will be Dyerbrook free for a few days at least.
3. 

   Billy Bob Thornton
   

   Jan 1st, 2004
   

   aww c’mon Julianna…ita actually fun messing w the 2 faced twirp…I laughed at the IM…he used such Large words here…and such …how would _yerbrook call it OMG ~Profanity~…and umm…if I recall _yerbrook…I didnt even curse you…all I said was Hi…LMAO…but oh well..and yes _yerbrook…I shall take your advice in that IM and send that screenshot to Maxis…as you said in that IM…..you dont care if they ban you or not …after all…if you dont like the game…you shouldnt pay for it )

   Be Well A/all…and ty _yerbrook…for that IM did in fact make My year…lol and it just started
4. 

   Darksoul
   

   Jan 1st, 2004
   

   Billy and brig, could both of you send Me those screenshots please? They’d go great in O/our yahoogroups picture album. muhahahaha

   Darksoul
5. 

   Darksoul
   

   Jan 1st, 2004
   

   hmmm, I’ve posted twice this AM and neither of My posts have made it to the thread……..
6. 

   Billy Bob Thornton
   

   Jan 1st, 2004
   

   I will send them both Dark….as I had the pleasure of seeing hers…just before he tried to insult Me…LOL..not to mention that he also msged a few others from the community…cult huh?…LMAO…as I said before lil boy (man is to honorable to waste in conjunction with your name) Get a life!!
7. 

   Darksoul
   

   Jan 1st, 2004
   

   My posts finally hit, must just be lag. Thanks Billy, I’ll look for them

   Darksoul
8. 

   Tabula Rasa
   

   Jan 1st, 2004
   

   Awwww…don’t sensor Darky *smiles*

   If BDSM is so terrible, and evil and cultish, then why can I go to My Barnes & Noble, or Borders bookshoppe and find a nice sized selection of books fiction and non-fiction on the subject matter? And I am not just talking a shelf with the Beauty trilogy on it *winks*
9. 

   Billy Bob Thornton
   

   Jan 1st, 2004
   

   as I stated before Tabula….try looking in a ~Public~ Library….alot of good info there as well next to the Sex Lexicon ~Laughs~
10. 

    Carmen Ray
    

    Jan 1st, 2004
    

    :takes notes of some more intreging books, smiles to all fellow friends and family:

    Happy new year to A.all :laughs: hell even _ou _yer, cherity has to come to those who are so hateful to other…

    Oh :smirks: Hey _yer doesn’t _our rightouse god say that tho shall not passjudgement on other or shall have judgement passed on themselfs, and many things about do not though stones, hmmm boy I could go on forever on that one. :laughs: I am always amused by those that love to be hateful tward others and hide behing words of “it is not right said by god” well hunny _ou god even sees you behing hateful, if wanting some little wings one day I would repent for _our ways….

    :evil grin: now Myself I am happy and will continue to do what pleases Me, doesn’t do true harm, and none consentual harm, to others.

    hmmm new years resilion for _ou _yer learn when _ou have been defeted, by that little bit of fat in that head, that some call a brain :laughs:

    :smiles dip kisses A/all around, pauses at Billy :winks: moves on:

    Happy new year lets A/all have a great one!

    ~Carmen~
11. 

    Carmen Ray
    

    Jan 1st, 2004
    

    p.s. Oh _yer doesn’t wish for be caps nor none so I figured he didn’t want any letter when speaking to him, :smirks and sticks out tongue:
12. 

    shi
    

    Jan 1st, 2004
    

    ~curtsies to the GPS~ ~smiles~ girl knew they were around somewheres out there..~giggles~

    ~laffs at dyerbrook~

    oh and sister gyrrl…

    ~sighing, hiding a devilish grin~

    this girl was hoping you wouldn’t want it back..after all that red “paint” splashing around ~noticing dyers red face~, ~laffing harder~….well, ~lowering her eyes~…its all red now and this girl hit him pretty hard, ~giggling all girlish like~..hence , the reason , this girl grabbed yours and not hers…~laffs~ ~winx teasingly~

    The “Perfect” beginning in Alphaville for the New Year. perhaps, One should ” Think Hard ” next time…~runs off to ~bigger and better things~

    At least the next interview will /not/ be Anonymous! ~smiles~

    Freedom is Slavery, Pain is Pleasure.

    Happy New Years to All~

    love, shi xo
13. 

    Darksoul
    

    Jan 1st, 2004
    

    Oh my….dyerbrook has gay, naked sims on his site….how decadent for a man of god

    http://syminalist.tripod.com/academy/id7.html

    ROFLMAO
    Darksoul
14. 

    Darksoul
    

    Jan 1st, 2004
    

    and some more http://members.tripod.com/dyerbrook/gayfrats.htm

    Are W/we learning anything about the little man?

    Darksoul
15. 

    Darksoul
    

    Jan 1st, 2004
    

    I wonder if Tripod is aware that dyerbrook is hosting images from a trademarked game on their servers? Doesn’t Maxis frown on that? I think they would since the images are made using third party patches and simulate pornography. Just a thought.

    {;->

    Darksoul
16. 

    Bruce
    

    Jan 1st, 2004
    

    Is anyone here actually surprised?
17. 

    daima
    

    Jan 1st, 2004
    

    Hi E/everyone,
    this girl would just like to ask Dyer why such a sore spot? Are you angry because you tried to get a Mistress/Master and was turned away? girl would just like to say this, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and that unless Y/you bang a gavel and do Y/your daily work in a court of law then YOU shouldnt be judging anyone. Dyer speaks of U/us “recruiting” and “Harrassing” etc. If this girl remember correctly wasnt it Dyer in her message box last night with the words “You guys are in a go**amn cult” and girl has never even heard of Dyer until last eve, as he was in her sister shi’s message box and her Master’s message box as well…..hmmmm now who is the harrassing one? this girl would just like to say if You dont like it then dont associate Yourself with it. simple problem simple solution.this girl has only been met with kindness by all that are in the community and has seen many others greeted with the same kindness even though they arent in the lifestyle. girl also would like to remind Dyer that TSO isnt the only place online BDSM communities exsist. ~smiles and goes back to her place beside her Master’s chair smiling~
18. 

    daima
    

    Jan 1st, 2004
    

    is it just this girl or does A/anyone else think Dyer talks too much
19. 

    Darksoul
    

    Jan 1st, 2004
    

    talks much, says little
20. 

    Paul "Phinehas" Schwanz
    

    Jan 1st, 2004
    

    Wow. I didn’t realize my question would be so challenging as to not get any responses. It appears that toy tried to respond, but her post was more dismissive than responsive.

    toy> “He is going to insist on arguing one idiotic point and miss the whole concept….”

    Evidently, it is easier to just call my point idiotic than to address it. I suppose that toy’s saying that it is idiotic must make it so.

    toy> “He will expect all to go along with Him just because of one statement…..”

    What one statement are you talking about, toy? I don’t expect anyone to go along with anything. Rather, if they have a point, I expect them to make it. Gainsaying isn’t the same thing as making a point.

    toy> “It is easy for One to argue points that are basic common sense if One has no common sense….”

    Hmmm. Which basic common sense are you speaking about here? The basic common sense that tells us that murder is wrong? Or the basic common sense that tells us that BDSM is morally reprehensible and degrading to society? Exactly how do you distinguish between the two common senses?

    toy> “accepting others is missed entirely just by His hang up now on one statement……”

    Again, what one statement?

    toy> “it is very easy to sidestep a conversation when One is blind ”

    It also appears quite easy to call someone blind to sidestep a conversation.

    –Phin
21. 

    toy
    

    Jan 1st, 2004
    

    or perhaps these gems

    http://dyerbrook.tripod.com/simgems/id9.html

    http://members.tripod.com/dyerbrook/roadtosedation.htm
22. 

    toy
    

    Jan 1st, 2004
    

    toy has much to say in her interview Ph and toy responds as she does when she hears the same things said over and over and over…… her repies fall on deaf ears so go along with Your ramblings it matters not to this girl be happy with what You are, this girl is extatic being who she is. are You??? appeantly not

    and toy wont waste her time going back to reread Your ramblings to show You exactly what comments…. do it Yourself, show a little initiative

    falara kajira toy
23. 

    Lady Julianna
    

    Jan 1st, 2004
    

    So Dyer, what are you doing still coming into our community and entering our properties when you claim we offend you so much? And you send in friends as spies. You are obsessed my friend. You need to get a life, an ingame life and perhaps a real life as well.

    All you need to do is stay out of our community. When you see one of our community members, click the little ignore box, and after that click our profile off of your screen.

    It’s that easy. Problem solved, that is if the problem is that we offend you.

    What is your goal here? What do you hope to achieve? Or do you even know? Is your purpose just to harass us?

    You are choosing to be exposed to us now, so stop complaining.
24. 

    toy
    

    Jan 1st, 2004
    

    toy would apologize for almost loosing her temper. toy would ask if perhaps Dyerbrook and Phineas are role playing or [perhaps playing a role?
    Black and White and Shades of Grey
    What is the difference between “role playing” and “playing a role?” Where does one draw the line between what is acceptable as real and true online and what is not?

    First, let’s differentiate between the two. Role playing is something each and every person in Gor indulges in. Every serve, every dance, every movement or smile, each wink or grumble… they are all expressions of ourselves, but they are also the very essence of role playing. And let’s face it, without them, we would have nothing more than discussion rooms. While discussion is wonderful, most of us enjoy capturing the essence of Gor as much as we can for the time we are here. This type of role playing allows us to reveal ourselves to each other through more than simply spoken words. It makes the experience we share more personal than it would be with only dialogue. Without it, I think this time we spend together would become very boring indeed.

    Playing a role, however is something completely different. To me, this is when someone dons a mask. A “persona,” if you will, which is entirely different from who they are offline. One who slips “into character,” online and then slips it off like a cloak when they turn off the computer. One who does things here online that they would never consider doing offline, whether for moral reasons or fear of legal consequences. We see these people every day. The “slavers” who run around slapping collars on every girl who stumbles across their path. The warriors who swoop in swords swinging, eager to take the heads of everyone who looks at them askance. The slave who drops to her knees and begs a collar of anyone who will have her. The question one has to ask is, “would you do this in real life?”

    To the slavers… would you approach women in real life and grab them? Slap a collar on them and drag them away? I don’t know where you live, but where I live, that is called kidnapping.

    To the warriors… would you truly lop the head from those who displease you? Answer every confrontation with violence? If so, I think you’d be doing most of your chatting from behind bars in most societies today.

    To the slave who begs to be owned simply for the sake of that collar… Would you honestly entrust your body, mind and well-being to a man you do not know? Do anything he commanded? Suppose a man you’ve never met walks up to you in a bar and commands you to leave with him. Would you?

    To the ones who slip on a different name and pop into another tavern to see who’s there and what they are doing… Would you also put on a disguise and spy on your neighbors offline? Hide in the bathroom at work to eavesdrop on your co-workers? Set up microphones to record who says what to whom when you are not there?

    If you would… then go ahead, do it here. If that is truly a reflection of the person you are… well, I would not wish to associate with you, and I would not want you for a neighbor, but if that is truly who you are, then so be it.

    However… if you would not do these things offline, why do them here? That is playing a role. Being someone you are not. And when it is not stated openly that this is not who you truly are… it is a lie.

    Now… that being said, does this mean that only those who are slaves offline and living at the feet of men can be slave here? No. This medium, with all of it’s dangers is also the safest place for one to explore her submission before actually attempting it in r/l. Nor does it mean that every free person must have slaves at their feet in r/l or fully comprehend and live the principles of Gor before setting finger to keyboard here. There is no better place to learn. Then take what you have learned both here and in the books and apply that to your offline life. That is the purpose of this discovery.

    Remember… the question is not, “DO you do this offline?”… it is “WOULD you do this offline?” There is a world of difference between the two. The question to ask yourself is “If given the opportunity, would I kneel at the feet of this man?” (or have this woman kneel at my feet?)… if the answer is a resounding “No way!”… then you are simply playing a role.

    But… if the answer is “Yes, I would,” … then you are being true to your nature… you are just roleplaying…

    And sometimes that is not such a bad thing.

    falara kajira toy
25. 

    Dyerbrook
    

    Jan 1st, 2004
    

    Yes, let me say it again for good measure, so you don’t have to bother fetching screenshots.
    YOU SICK LITTLE FUCK.
26. 

    Lady Julianna
    

    Jan 1st, 2004
    

    Well, that was intelligent.
27. 

    daima
    

    Jan 1st, 2004
    

    awww sister toy musta struck a nerve ~giggles~ this girl hopes Dyer doesnt kiss his mother with that filthy mouth
28. 

    Darksoul
    

    Jan 1st, 2004
    

    Hmmmmm, O/one would think that dyerbrook’s problem is not with BDSM, but actually U/us breeders.
29. 

    Darksoul
    

    Jan 1st, 2004
    

    PS

    That must be why he has the knowledge that the leather bar is down on the docks.
30. 

    Dyerbrook
    

    Jan 1st, 2004
    

    I think my swear words are probably the most intelligent things I *have* said here because trying to lay out cogent intellectual arguments against your brutal madness is the definition of insanity. I don’t do it to fight you — I don’t care about you and your cult. I do it to try to win over some hearts and minds of people who are not in the BDSM lifestyle to at least stand up for their properties and their neighborhoods which are NOT built on the ethic of crime, subversion, perversion, or violence as the SSG and BDSM lots are. There is another kind of community that could be built, without slaying any silly monsters described in gooey New Year’s messages, but merely using common sense and collectively asking the game company to move hardcore adult behavior to a separate server, and show some solidarity with each other to keep the SSG and any other griefers at bay.

    A different kind of community is possible, but the window is closing for making that possible, as more and more crime and thuggery is taking over AV and soon it will be those who stayed out of the fray, or could not mount support to fight crime, that will be forced to move, and not the criminals.

    There are many other neighborhoods in Alphaville that do not have crime and perversion as their motif, and yet they are silent. Not everyone will want to stand up and be shot at as I have done, but they could at least step forward and say that there are other organizing principles in society besides crime and perversion.

    Brad, as I’ve said before, the stereotypes or notions of cults that you have based on some white racists in Texas or something are only one type of cult. You don’t HAVE to have one single powerful leader to have a cult. In fact, the true insidiousness of this cult is that it has “democratized” and “internetized” the cult phenom and made it so that each individual dom/sub relationship is the cult, THAT is the cult leader, duh, with all the rituals and arcane kowledge and procedures that provide a template for each dom or domme to make a do-it-yourself cult. Now, a reasonable and sane and intelligent person, if there were such a person here, could argue against me that such behavior is a sub-culture, not a cult, that it is negative, but not a closed, totalitarian society. We could have that discussion til the cows come home but we’d both be reasoning together about how to describe a truly negative phenomenon and how it corrodes a society. We’d agree about its corrosive effect.

    The willingness of some people to turn over AV to the SSG thugs and the BDSM mini-totalitarians — when there are many other neighborhoods based on other principles — is the sad weakness at the heart of TSO is the unwillingness of landholders to stand up, fight, and be organized. And any notion that people have to get into some drippy Christmasy mode about “We Are the World” and hold hands and sing “Kumbayah” and all unite together with other reprehensible neighborhoods and phenomena against the Game Company Monster completely over looks that it is the Game Company Monster, with its PC TOS and ROC, that made it possible for these negative phenomena to occur, and that part of fighting that negativity in the game company means fighting the negativity they have spawned with it.

    Now I see some of you are trying to find something you can pick on me about, trying to catch me in some contradiction, or some point of hypocrisy. This is just your usual BDSM vicious game of “Gotcha”, and the more you engage in that kind of character assassination and ad hominen attacks, the more you are exposed as the vicious thugs you are.

    Yes, I have several Sim story sites, and indeed, one could be characterized as “pornographic” but tripod could care less about it, it has been there for several years. If suddenly I find tripod complaining to me about it after two years, I’ll know it’s because BDSM thugs have deliberately complained to them as a means of harassing me, just as they are stalking me in the game now and harassing me and trying to goad me and either glove me or get me to glove them.

    But what’s the difference between MY “porn” site, that is, a site with some adult stories and screenshots, and Lady Julianna’s, and why is it NOT a legitimate subject of conversation for TSO? BECAUSE I DON’T LINK TO IT WITH MY SIM PROFILE IN TSO, DUH. It’s not even linked to my TSO fan site. It is unrelated to TSO. So get a life YOURSELVES.

    As far as this idea that you can’t take screenshots in the “trademarked game” and publish them, you’re going to lose that point. There are probably thousands if not hundreds of thousands of Maxis Sim game screenshots all over the Internet in dozens of countries. They encourage fan sites, they encourage screenshots, and they have never, ever, in over three years of publishing these games and their extentions, ever harassed anyone into taking down a screenshot. You might care to believe provincial University of Michigan lawyers on this one, but I would have to point out that Maxis itself has a place for screenshots on its own official site, Stratics has a place, they have contests for screenshots, and there is just no way in hell that Maxis will ever suddenly declare their screenshots as property and use that as a hook to shut somebody down. Any lawyer even from Michigan could point out that the company tolerated a practice of screenshot publication mounting into the thousands — hundreds of thousands really even just among SimAlbums members — and did nothing for three years.

    So get a life, all of you. You won’t shut me down because I’ve challenged you. AV should not be turned over to criminals and thugs.

    If BDSM people use their numbers and their deviousness to try to figure out ways to harass me inside and outside of the game, they will only clinch the argument I have been making all along: they are not private citizens pursuing happiness in private asking for tolerance, they are a cult bent on the destruction of individuals and society in the name of taking power for themselves.
31. 

    daima
    

    Jan 1st, 2004
    

    blah blah blah blah blah You really are looking for an excuse to be an idiot arent you dyer
32. 

    daima
    

    Jan 1st, 2004
    

    this girl refuses to have a battle of wits with the unarmed ~stuffs dyer in the idiot box~ this girl wont acknowledge his pleas for attention, and yes thats exactly why dyers jaw flaps so much, begging for attention prehaps S/someone should tie him to the whipping post and give him the attention he so craves ~grins~
33. 

    Lady Julianna
    

    Jan 1st, 2004
    

    There you have it Dyer. You say it is okay to use sim screenshots on websites. So mine is more than okay. You have nude sims on yours, I do not on mine.

    You have conceded that point.
34. 

    Darksoul
    

    Jan 1st, 2004
    

    Poor little dyer, ran from me at a board house, said I was there to stalk him. You’d think he wouldn’t be afraid of such a “freak” as Myself
35. 

    Tabula Rasa
    

    Jan 1st, 2004
    

    Dyerbrook you are not trying to have a thought provoking conversation, you are trying to circle your group of tricycles and gather forces to fight an imagined evil….Unfortunately I was already entertained by seven seasons of Buffy…But wait that show had a few references I can recall

    Doppelgangland Season 3

    VAMPWILL
    No… this is a dumb world. In my
    world there are people in chains and
    we can ride them like ponies.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    WILLOW
    This is creepy. I don’t like the
    thought that there’s some vampire
    out there that looks like me.

    XANDER
    Not looks like — is.

    BUFFY
    It was you, Willow, in every detail.
    Except for your not being a
    dominatrix… as far as we know.

    WILLOW
    Oh, right. Me and Oz play Mistress
    of Pain every night. Please.

    XANDER
    Did anybody else just go to scary
    visual place?

    BUFFY
    Oh yeah.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    BUFFY
    See I’ve had a lot of people talking
    at me, last few days. People just
    lining up to tell me how unimportant
    I am. And I finally figured out why.
    Power. I have it. They don’t.
    This bothers them.

    *smiles* I am sure I can recall more….

    or perhaps this song by Pretty Girls Make Graves is fitting:
    hello, i’m neurotic
    creating problems that don’t exist
    don’t believe me when i say it’s alright

    let’s go to my apartment
    we’ll pull the sheets up over our heads
    forget all reasons to go outside

    beats pulse, they’re automatic
    locked inside of my apartment
    make confessions with the television on

    i’m fine

    Be Well
36. 

    Dyerbrook
    

    Jan 1st, 2004
    

    LJ, of course it’s OK to use screenshots. But you had screenshots that required investigation because they appeared to use something like the nude patch which is banned in the game — a third-party program to create custom clothing in the game. Next, you use your website to congregate RL BDSMers, and you link it into the game. I don’t think minors should be exposed to RL websites that tout RL sex clubs. I don’t think it’s appropriate for a game where the parents who bought it think they are getting a teen rating. I think it is a site that touts violence, slavery, and depersonalization of human beings. I think that such sites should not be linked to the game. Those are the issues at hand, and the issue is not screenshots. And Maxis says in the TOS that it bans obscenity, so it should be reviewed. Note that the petition asked that it be reviewed, and the balloon asked that you be investigated for attracting minors in RL. And now you’ve told us that this is exactly what happens, as children write to you and ask for the BDSM version of TSO.
37. 

    Dyerbrook
    

    Jan 1st, 2004
    

    LJ, of course it’s OK to use screenshots. But you had screenshots that required investigation because they appeared to use something like the nude patch which is banned in the game — a third-party program to create custom clothing in the game. Next, you use your website to congregate RL BDSMers, and you link it into the game. I don’t think minors should be exposed to RL websites that tout RL sex clubs. I don’t think it’s appropriate for a game where the parents who bought it think they are getting a teen rating. I think it is a site that touts violence, slavery, and depersonalization of human beings. I think that such sites should not be linked to the game. Those are the issues at hand, and the issue is not screenshots. And Maxis says in the TOS that it bans obscenity, so it should be reviewed. Note that the petition asked that it be reviewed, and the balloon asked that you be investigated for attracting minors in RL. And now you’ve told us that this is exactly what happens, as children write to you and ask for the BDSM version of TSO.
38. 

    Dyerbrook
    

    Jan 1st, 2004
    

    LJ, of course it’s OK to use screenshots. But you had screenshots that required investigation because they appeared to use something like the nude patch which is banned in the game — a third-party program to create custom clothing in the game. Next, you use your website to congregate RL BDSMers, and you link it into the game. I don’t think minors should be exposed to RL websites that tout RL sex clubs. I don’t think it’s appropriate for a game where the parents who bought it think they are getting a teen rating. I think it is a site that touts violence, slavery, and depersonalization of human beings. I think that such sites should not be linked to the game. Those are the issues at hand, and the issue is not screenshots. And Maxis says in the TOS that it bans obscenity, so it should be reviewed. Note that the petition asked that it be reviewed, and the balloon asked that you be investigated for attracting minors in RL. And now you’ve told us that this is exactly what happens, as children write to you and ask for the BDSM version of TSO.
39. 

    Dyerbrook
    

    Jan 1st, 2004
    

    Re: the adult server. The request to Maxis is a request to see a very ugly phenomenon which has happened in the game, which is that BDSM has invaded the top city. People who think violence and slavery is a sport and a good time are coming into it in droves. They don’t just stay on their lots, they go all over AV, flaunting their profiles and as they themselves admit, attracting new recruits — so many that they complain about their lots being too full. They are a destructive force in the community. What is to be done? Move them to a different server. That means the game company has to confront that by their TOS rules they have been unable to give self-rule to players, who would have zoned such activities themselves and self-enforced it. The game company has to confront, in fact, that they have massive defiance of their TOS, which forbids obscenity and says that you should not say things that you would not say in a room full of people.

    The SSG, the mafias, the griefers, the BDSM run wild because there is no democratic self-governance.

    Of course I’ve thought through the idea of the server, and all your objections are specious. By creating an option in the game for an adults-only server, Maxis introduces another layer of ID check. It has to be a paypal verified account or a signing of a statement that they are 21 and over, not 13 and over which is what it is now for the regular game. Of course there will be kids that slip through, but because there will be this added layer, there will be less liklihood, and a parent coming in to pay for a child will see that just like the “parental options” they can click off now, they can see there is a separate adult server from which they can click an option to have their child barred from it. Maxis can also be watching to see if kids are coming on this server.

    They don’t at all have to take out love beds or cuddle couches or anything of the kind. Indeed, there will still be romance lots just as they were before. But they will not be devoted to this kind of hard-core graphic sexual and violent play that hooks up to real-life clubs and scenes.

    I quite agree that the way to defeat negative phenomenon in the game is to create your own positive thing. Many people have already done that, without any prompting from you or me. The question is whether they will feel strong enough to stand up to the negative spreading out and subversion of the SSG and the BDSM of the mainstream lots. Lot-owners have said in some cases they boot people, especially the Goreans with the most cult-like behavior, from their lots, and there will be more of it. If the BDSM people retaliate by turning such critics into objects of griefing, as they have done with me, they will only lose any limited tolerance they might have.

    AV might have to turn into a city of gated communities. So be it. Those who want to go frolic with the slaves can do so in a separate city.

    Maxis will have to come to terms with this negative phenomenon and decide how to handle it. My guess is that they will not go to the trouble of making a separate server, but that if the BDSM people do not use self-restraint and self-governance themselves and keep spreading out and flaunting themselves and winning recruits, Maxis will begin to crack down more on speech on lots, and on profiles and URLs. We are already seeing that.

    I personally don’t want to spend hours on a game like a maniac trying to drum up support to make a neighborhood and fill it with activities. That’s not my role. Others will do that. But in short, if you moved BDSM to a separate server (like SSG has a separate server in SWG) then you just leave AV as is, just as it was before BDSM — yes, hard to imagine, but we went nearly a year with nary a BDSM site in our midst, hmmm???

    You all seem to be very worried about kids cybering. Well, that is really something that their parents must police. Maxis also has to make up its mind about it and decide whether they will crack down on this kind of severe obscenity. It seems that now, they do not even accept any petitions about obscenity, and ask people to use their ignore buttons.

    This sudden concern over kids cybering coming from Lady Julianna is so touching, given that she is running a hardcore lot herself that is a magnet for curious kids. No, I do believe that the BDSM people will show themselves to be the coercive, enslaving types they are, and eventually they will turn off many people. People are unlikely to be able to make neighborhoods without them, because they will push themselves on other neighborhoods (we already see this) but the game is at a turning point, it seems to me. If it cannot become a more creative and fun place, and continues to be plagued with griefing, violence, and crime, it won’t develop and people will leave it. They did not come here to slay dragons.
40. 

    Lady Julianna
    

    Jan 2nd, 2004
    

    Well Dyer, the bottom line is this. I don’t think Maxis is going to create an adult server. Alphaville is our home, and we are not moving. We have “zoned” ourselves by creating our own neighbourhood. We do our best to keep the kids out, which is more than other romance houses do. We create our profiles for the same reasons other sims do.. to attract like minded people so we get to meet them and know them. The key word here is like minded. We are not out to recruit. We pay our money like anyone else, and we will play as we wish. We are not breaking TOS or any of Maxis’ rules. They are not overly concerned about us. These are the facts; deal with them.
41. 

    Catseye
    

    Jan 2nd, 2004
    

    OMG get real here Dyer… first off you can stop grouping this lifestyle in with the mafia etc we are BDSM … your arguments and points need not bleed over into other groups..

    and unjustly lumping all of us that follow the lifestyle into the other catergories is assanine and childish to a flaw… sterotyping is just that taking a wide base stance and finding out that not all are the same…

    You make a point about LJ’s site ? with Pic editing programs as they are today why cant you think that they were edited outside of the game? why take the guilty before innocent road where in the US it is the other way around.. Oh I know your mad because LJ used her freedom of choice to ban you and your friends from her Lot and how do you act? spouting vulger words in an open forum that is not age monintered congratulations Dyer you have become what you have been preaching against showing the childern that it is ok to spout words unbecomming a mature human in anger to prove just how much an idiot you are..

    Ya I live BDSM lifestyle am I Hardcore no.. heck I have been a member of a Assembly of god church a methodist chruch a church of christ church a church of the mazarene church a baptist church a Luthern church.. *reads back* dang I have been in a lot of churches havent I? hmm wonder which was teaching the true way to heaven? each and everyone of them are different in their beliefs that is why there are so many of the churches and they are all lead by one leader God so on that reguard they are a cult no?

    Story time my childern I lived in the buckle area of the bible belt at one time and they thought of a way to fix it where you only could buy certain items on sunday these were called the blue laws they were pushed by the christians of the areas… and they passed easily but what did they get for their effort? nadda they were repealed soon after by the same christians that fought so hard to get them on the books… seems you could buy Playboy on sunday but you couldnt buy a bible…. kinda funny isnt it?

    Dyer you remind me of some people in that area yourself so I am assuming that you live in the south if I am wrong I apologise but you are the type that slow down disney movies looking for hidden messages in the smoke of the Lion king.. you are the type that complaigns that Pepsi should remake their new can designs because of a happenstance that if you line up two cans you can spell the word sex… minor crap that someone takes too seriously and spouts off…

    be forewarned Dyer remember what happend to the idiot who complaigned about the word god in the national anthem I am sure he is still receiving mail and stuff and watch those judges see how long they remain as well… the minority has always tried to yell the loudest and try to change it to their liking.. time the majority takes a dang you stance against the minority which on this board you are…

    If you dont like it leave it..

    As for Maxis spending money to create an adult server which will open them up to lawsuits if any minor does happen to get in you can forget it… there is no foolproof way on the web to garuntee age… Kids are not dumb they know the ways around the blocks.. need a CC to play and register to a adult site? borrow mommy’s daddy’s big sister big brother older friend that makes the age limit heck have one of the above get it for them how do you think the 16 year olds get liquor and get DWI’s all the time? Rules and laws only affect Honest people…

    Again I read BDSM is immoral? ok please show me the scripture thou shalt not beat on thy partner if they ask for it?

    Sorry aint flying here bro.. please state in your opinion it is immoral then state the reasons why FACTS not fiction please.. BDSM is not a 24/7 orgy it is a way of life…

    Now onto love houses and the TSO game I have seen 13 year olds cybering in public in the lots 13 yes the age was in the bio very simple to overlook I told a roomie that they were 13 and I get a “so”..

    we police our own we watch out for the kids we try to stop them from partaking in the community no there is not a foolproof way but Listen bro we do care… one man’s violence is another man’s hobby…

    Hunting is violence you shoot you kill…

    Unwanted abuse is violence hence the consensual aspect of the SSC… what if tomorrow they passed a law that outlawed coffee compsumption how would you react? it is a drug it is habit forming and it does damage to the body in mass quanities.. or how about we return to the biblical days and made everyone live as the bible tells us to Keep the Sabbath Holy and that is All the Sabbaths not just the day we think it should fall on back when the scripture was made it was Saturday not Sunday plus passover etc..

    Second hmm wedding Vows how many here remember the one that the wife says to the husband that she will OBEY funny that is included in hers and not his..

    Another Question that really bothers me is the Good friday Easter celebration… if he was crucified on a friday and rose before dawn on sunday hmm do the math Friday= Day 1 Friday =Night 1 Saturday = Day and Night 2 Sunday before dawn he was rose so that is 2 days 2 nights now look back in the books and find it saying that he would lie in the grave like Jonah did in the belly of the whale which was 3 days hmm so if the celebration is deemed as proper those that follow those belifes prove the entire bible wrong.. see why I dont believe in churches?

    but no matter what we type here in this forum we wont change your mind you wont change ours.. you keep tagging it is ok with us we are not going anywhere we are true to ourselves and our families in AV to allow one such as you to try to drive us from our homes… We are not scared we are not intimidated by those such as you.. we will keep doing as we have now and in the furture we will not hide our lifestyle in the closets that you try to erect for us and stay only on our lots we are collared we are not dogs though we will roam we will meet people we will make friends outside of the lifestyle to have intelligent conversations with unlike those that you propose here.. you insult our intelligence as you insult your own.. we will continue to grow and skill as we need to and try to explain to all that ask why we live as we do.. we will accept questions and try to answer in the way we think and not apologise if they are not what you believe in.. we are Families in game and friends out of game.. why do you think the other cities do not have such large numbers of the BDSM community? simple because we all chose to move to AV to have us all together many of us have moved once why should we move again?

    Now I wish to send my morgan a friendly hug and a swat for the new year as well as My denali who will get a nicer swat as soon as I post this.. not because of punishment but because she wants one

    Happy New year all
42. 

    shi
    

    Jan 2nd, 2004
    

    “So get a life, all of you. You won’t shut me down because I’ve challenged you. AV should not be turned over to criminals and thugs.”

    ~laffs to tears~

    Dyer..girl can promise…~laffs knowingly~ you, won’t be shutting anything down….this girl accepts your challenge…and this girl ~GUARENTEES~ you will not win..for whenever a will..a way and you can take that to the bank! ~winx~

    Dyer….one’s “Hell” is one’s “Heaven”

    now, since you feel the need to repeat…girl will say this to you ..Again.

    ACCEPT WHAT YOU CAN NOT CHANGE!

    ~stuffs Master’s ball gag in dyers mouth~

    now, hush. ~giggles~

    Slavery is Freedom
    Pain is Pleasure

    ~curtsies~

    love, shi
43. 

    daima
    

    Jan 2nd, 2004
    

    ~stands and applauds~
44. 

    brigit
    

    Jan 2nd, 2004
    

    rah rah rah….sis boom bah……

    You sick little F_ _ K …..oh what a good yuck…..

    gee you lost it now didn’t you boy….you should have thought twice….and thought to play nice…..now your dealin with sisters like Toy….

    we are happy….can you really say the same…

    *holds the long string to her pretty red balloon….watching it float so high that all see the red laytex*
45. 

    Billy Bob Thornton
    

    Jan 2nd, 2004
    

    Amazing how he defends what he feels is right in here..but in game…he stalks others worse that the mafia…and do Me a favor numb nut….do Not associate Me w the SSG for I havent a clue what they have to do w U/us…I have never been ..nor will I ever be a part of the BS mafia group…umm yes…group…not cult …all that education and he hasent a clue what a cult is…no wonder he flaps his jaws…Large misunderstanding of words….I do notice he only adresses the subjects that pleases him to do so….whoch does in fact support a few people to reason that this is just a person starving for attention…well guess what youngin…..you have it…..and I will tell you here and now….you first start tagging people w red…Me..I dont care…I will be tagged one day ~weg~ I love red…only makes Me thirsty but I will tell you this….I see one tag on you….I guess W/we all have a race to see who can tag lil _yerbrook next…..you have Me on ignore….after you cursed Me out for No reason… but still easy to find you….as far as you hating Me….Good…Means I havent lost My touch.

    Be Well E/everyone
46. 

    Lady Julianna
    

    Jan 2nd, 2004
    

    By the way Dyer, my concern for kids is not “sudden.” Mine was the first BDSM house to identify itself as an adult lot, and I was the first to screen ages. Others have followed my lead.

    Upon entering for the first time, a sim is greeted with this message, “Please read the sign at the gate under the clock. This is an adult lot and you must be over 18.” There are many good kids out there, and many will admit they are underage and leave upon hearing that greeting. Many put their ages in their profiles, and we read profiles for that reason. Other clues in profiles are mixed CaPiTaLz and the use of “z” instead of “s”, musical tastes of rap and hip hop, and general use of language and spelling.

    If they have lied, most will betray their ages through immature behaviour. We ask their age, and if they will not answer, we boot and ban. If we think they are still lying, I ask what year they were born. It is a shame how many cannot subtract quickly in their heads. (If you want something to rant and rave about, address the failure of our educational systems.) That betrays them, one’s year of birth is something that we all know off the top of their heads. A pause means they are lying. If they pass that test, and we still do not believe them, we will boot and ban anyway. Once we learn a sim is underaged, we add them to our ban list.

    I believe we catch most youngsters this way. However, it is possible for a teen who is mature beyond his or her years to slip through, but it is very rare. One did for a while, but over time we did find her out. We reacted as a community to ban her from our homes and censure any of our community who had contact with her. We do police ourselves through social sanctions, which is appropriate for this is a social game.

    Whenever we do scene openly on our property, which is very rare, or have some BDSM event, we turn on our admit list. Only those who we know to be part of our community may enter at those times. I will not have my admit list on all the time. This would prevent new BDSM people coming from other cities from finding us and would stop me from meeting new friends. That is the whole point of our community and identifying ourselves in our profiles, so we can find each other.

    Now, show me another romance lot which goes to such an effort to protect the young. I don’t think what we are doing is wrong, but I think people should develop a basic sexuality before venturing into BDSM.

    We are responsible members of Alphaville society.

    Now, build your own community. Yes it takes effort, and we have put the effort in and will not let you chase us off. If you put half the effort into it that you have into harassing us, you would be a success already. Make that community what you think it should be. We will leave you alone, now leave us alone.
47. 

    Ummah
    

    Jan 2nd, 2004
    

    I find it funy that you are targeting the BDSM communtiy because of it’s inherent sexual content and costantly overlook the fact that W/we do screen ages. Yet, you say nothing about the inheent violence that is associated with the word mafia, and what the rl mafia represents,i.e. drugs prostiution, violence. You say nothing about 420 with it’s obvious link to drugs, yet because BDSM is in some cases a sexual outlet your concern is for the children how hypocritcal dyer. Of course that has been the way of hypocrits for a while. People will let their children go to a moviee that is riddled with violence for no reason but will not let them go to a movie because of an exposed breast or a sex scene that is inherent to the story line because their child might have a thought of a sexual nature. Tell me where is the concern for the children when they join a mafia group or become members of the 420 group -oh wait this is a game they are just roleplaying. Uh hate to tell you this dyer they can cyber there too. So why don’t you just try to shut down TSO altogethter then you won’t have to be offended by U/us or A/anyone else and can stick to making your little gay pornagraphic Simmy photoalbums. BTW most cybering takes place in IMs anyway so how can you know what anyone is up in any house you visit. All I can say is if you are unsure of what a house “really” is then don’t go there. As always it is a choice. Obviously for someone who claims to be intelligent you cannot understand that. So in closing get over it and STFU.
48. 

    Lord Gavril
    

    Jan 2nd, 2004
    

    Good day A/all

    I’m chuckling at the thought of AV’s submissives tagging dyer. You’ll be so painted in red, they’ll have to start a top 100 hated list.

    Ohhh, dyer, have fun ladd, I’m thinking your game is going to be somewhat more busy now.

    That shovel your holding sure digs a good hole.

    Be Good

    Regards

    Gavril

    *Squirm if you must, it will only make Me smile*
49. 

    Mikal
    

    Jan 2nd, 2004
    

    i just have to say this, when i was running a romance lot before Mikal was even created or thought of, i had a 10 yr old, a 12 yr old and a 14 yr old approach me wanting me to “jump into the lovebed and have sex.” i of course reported the 10 and 12 yr old to Maxis immediately as being underaged for game. They were also booted and banned from lot. The 14 yr old was also booted, and as i booted her, i said “ain’t no way on this earth i’ll jump in bed with a 14 yr old, i’m old enough to be your daddy.” The responses of these youngsters when told no by an adult is almost always the same, “it’s just a game. it doesn’t mean anything”. These are the kids that need parent intervention and quickly. i’m also sure that these same kids went to another romance lot and were able to cyber with someone who doesn’t have the moral decency that i have to not cyber with a kid. And just to set the record straight, i do NOT cyber in the open. i never have and i never will cyber on an open lot. i do NOT roleplay while on others lots. And i will NOT have someone tell me that i do. i do not “stalk” you dyer………i could care less where you are in game. One thing i will say, i read the property descriptions of any lot before i enter, do you? Most people do read the lot description. Most know exactly where they are heading. Since you have NO desire to be in contact with U/us, then why go out of your way to land on one of the BDSM lots? I have never been booted nor banned from a lot…EVER. Not as a vanilla sim nor as Mikal. I’ve never given anyone a reason to boot and ban me. Can you say the same? Hmmm….no, i guess you can’t. Oh well, i’m tired of all the ranting and raving and such. Hope all my brothers, sisters, Ma’am’s and Sirs and most of all my Mistress has a WONDERFUL day.
50. 

    Paul "Phinehas" Schwanz
    

    Jan 2nd, 2004
    

    Seriosly, does no one here have the philosophical werewithal to explain why murder is wrong? If you can’t cogently describe how/why murder is wrong, how can you expect anyone else to put any amount of trust into your assertion that BDSM is not morally reprehensible or degrading to society? Surely explaining how/why murder is wrong is the easier of the two philosophical conudrums.

    Are the assertions you make regarding morality based in a coherent philosophy or not?

    –Phin

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