A Visit to Le Pen’s Headquarters in SL
by Alphaville Herald on 10/12/06 at 6:07 pm
When we recently posted a story about a group associated with the French National Front Youth opening an office in Second Life we didn’t have any pictures yet. Well we can’t have *that*. Managing Editor Pixeleen Mistral and Urizenus Sklar went to visit the HQ and encountered another visitor who was happy to give us a tour. (We swear this really happened!) More snaps below the fold.
@rnO
Dec 15th, 2006
To Johhny B Good :
YOU are poor !!!
Initially, I write a good english contrary at you : “r” for “are”, isn’t. I said “I AM FRENCH” thus I can’t write a perfect english, USE YOUR BRAIN !!! And I specify, I am 17 years. I haven’t mediocrity ! According to you, to be for the FN is to have mediocrity. It’s intolerance.
You don’t know the arabs of France, you don’t know France, and you allow yourselves to deliver your opinion !
flo, a french citizen
Dec 16th, 2006
The fact that other kind of extremists or integrists do exist and create a violent climate is no excuse for the FN, which is just such shit. The FN is closely linked to integrists factions, and racism is no monopoly. Just a few facts… The FN appeared in 1973 : it was created by the creators of “Ordre Nouveau”, an openly facist and neo-nazi group that was interdicted at the end of 1972. Just about the same people created the Front National (among them, members of the Lehideux family, does that recall anything to anyone ?). Other fact : Le Pen was a tortionnary during the algerian war, he plus others escaped court just because France gave amnesty to the war criminals in 1968. He was one of Poujade’s hooligans. Le Pen has so far been condemned for various violences so many times that if he wanted to store the files in Second Life your servers may not stand the load. Not to speak of the files of members of his staff. The FN campaigns before elections are violent and lead to people being hurt (have you heard of the DPS ?).
So do not believe that the FN is a party like any other. It is not. Every country has its piece of shit in the political field I guess. The FN is France’s.
Gilles
Dec 18th, 2006
Hi everybody, Bonjour tout le monde,
When I read messages from FN supporters in this discussion I feel forced to say something.
I’m french since my birth, my parents are french, my mother is french because she’s born in Algeria at the time it was a french departement, her parents was a french appelé du contingent (conscripted soldier ?) and the daughter of spanish people who had leave Spain when Franco came to power. Am I french enough to deserve to live in dignity ?
When I was 5 months old I’ve been healed thanks to the french social security for a hearth desease which implicated a heavy operation. I thanks my country which paid everything for this operation. If I was born in another country I could have die before my first birthday or my parents would have been forced to contract very huge debts to save me.
What is the point with FN ?
The point is I think I have not deserve to be save because I’m french but because I’m a human. That’s what France is. FN is for “french preference” and it is racism or fascism or call it the way you want.
France is not a religion, a color of skin, or an administrative sheet of paper. France is a way of thinking. Thinking that rights et duties are the same for every human being. We made the Human Rights Bill, not the French Rights Bill. (It is a thing we share with our American friends)
When a man and his family are starving to death in their country they just want to save themselves. When they reach our country after a deadly trip they deserve to be treated like human beings.
They deserve to be autorized to search a job and to be helped to do it. They deserve to live in proper conditions (this is written in our Constitution). And they deserve to be healed when they need to.
If my arguments won’t work to convince you you’re going in a dead end with Jean-Marie and his crew, let me present you thing in another way.
Would you prefer to have illegal immigrants in France, with no jobs so that they are forced to steal and beg to live, with no house so that they live outside in cold threaten by any kind of bastards in the streets at night, and with no health care so that they could developp pneumonia, skin deseases, and others illness France has eradicate for a long time thanks to her effective (not as efficient as it should be) social and health care system.
One more thing. FN is mostly supported by fervent catholics people. I wonder where is their Christian charity ? Perhaps in their …
flo
Dec 20th, 2006
I am very touched by what you say Gilles, and I agree with your depiction of “fernch touch” in the socio-political field. There is just one thing I do not agree with : altough integrism (tough noyt only catholic) has to do with the FN, the typical supporter of FN is not the common catholic, and FN voters are not characteristically practising or active catholics, or do not make that choice in terms of catholicism. The FN tries to “recuperate” catholicism through its rhetorics and connections with certain groups, as it does on other topics (the FN for instance picked up a certain number of supporters who were traditionally on the left wing, which does not lead to a collusion between blue collar workers and FN).
The CEVIPOF conducted studies on how to depict and define the common FN active supporter ; around 1997, they found that the dominant “colors” of the “portrait” would be : male, young, low or medium intellectual profile, poor intellectual skills, economic or social difficulties, expressing fear. That is : someone who can be easily convinced by “easy answers” and flattered by the promise of some “superiority” (machism plus racism provide such promise).
Xavier
Dec 21st, 2006
Thanks Gilles and Flo.
I find your comments very interesting.
Alain
Dec 21st, 2006
Hi Guys,
I am glad to hear that the FN has now an office in ‘second life’.
It is a big challenge for this party to save France from his catastrophic situation: unemployment , high taxes, poverty of 10% of the population, corruption, criminality, bureaucracy, regular strike…
The socialists (PS/PC/Verts) and rights (UMP/UDF) are fully responsible of this disaster.
Our hope is now on a real change!
bernard lamateurdebase
Dec 21st, 2006
WOW !!!
thats why I feel there s a need for SECOND LIFE !
Hatred, lies, stupidity … are the main reasons for escaping to an artificial world where u can have fun and not just REPREZENT some ideologies !!!
read wolfram hayek ‘s post for OFFICIAL statements about FNSL
read political articles to understand french political life
but
LEAVE US ALONE with politics in SECOND LIFE !!!
Ordinal Malaprop
Dec 21st, 2006
I always find it fascinating that the rhetoric employed by supporters of fascist parties is practically identical no matter what country. All this stuff about immigrants taking our jobs, getting all the housing and benefits etc – it’s identical to the BNP here in the UK.
Thankfully it’s also good to see that there are good old-fashioned French antifa types around
See you in-world, comrades.
Xavier
Dec 22nd, 2006
If being fascist and/or violent and/or racist and idiot in a virtual world allows these FN guys to be at least more “normal” in our real world, I suggest we should offer them a totally dedicated server for being stupid and not insulted at the same time.
This would not be a definitive solution, but still a good therapy.
We could call it “the simple minded land”
@rnO
Dec 25th, 2006
Xavier, YOU are idiot and fascist !
You are fascist of people of left (socialists and communists), because you are not tolerant !
And idiot because, you said : < < I suggest we should offer them a totally dedicated server for being stupid and not insulted at the same time >>
We don’t insult and you say that we do it !
Stop taking to us for idiots !
You will say that I speak English badly, I answer that I am French and that I am only 17 years old !!!
Le Pen président !
Vote FN !
valdenicio
Dec 29th, 2006
isso é muito legal
Emma
Jan 3rd, 2007
Je vote Le Pen, la vision que vous en avez est caricatuurale. Il défend la vraie France. I love le Pen and will always do so ! Xavier is right !
Vous, les français qui aimez la Frnce, votez LE PEN !
Ludwig
Jan 3rd, 2007
…et comme ca on fermera enfin nos frontieres pour ressembler au seul autre pays qui a ses frontieres hermetiques… la corée du nord..waouh comme je me languis.
Ah mais non…c’est des façes de citron vous me direz, communiste qui plus est, rien a voir avec notre Jean Marie national qui lui est blanc (un breton meme pas un francais…mais c’est quoi un francais au fait??) et nationaliste. Enfin un point commun entre les deux idéologies, elles ont dépassé leur date de péremption.
Les idées ne sont peut etre pas les memes mais les résultats seront identiques.
Ouvrez vous, vous français perclus de haine et de préjugé sur le monde qui vous entoure, sortez!!!
The truth about the FN, the only honest national movement.
Jan 4th, 2007
Le Pen is not racist, or prove it !
Cessez de vous laisser berner par la désinformation et les diffamations des médias ! Renseignez-vous, allez lire et écouter les propos de Le Pen dans leur intégralité sur son site, vous n’y verrez jamais d’appel à la haine, de racisme (il n’a jamais prôné la supériorité de la race blanche).
Je rappelle que le Bureau politique du Front national est ouvert à tous les Français patriotes quelles que soient leurs origines et leur religion ; c’est ainsi qu’on y trouve une Martiniquaise, Huguette Fatna, Farid Smahi d’origine algérienne, des Français juifs, etc.
Jean-Marie Le Pen a été le premier à présenter un musulman à la députation à Paris en 1957, M. Ahmed Djebbour. Son deuxième de liste aux élections de 1956 était un noir martiniquais, M. Roger Sauvage, ancien pilote de la Résistance du Normandie-Niemen. Il a été le premier à faire élire une musulmane à Paris au Conseil régional en 1986, Soraya Djebbour.
De manière générale, le FN a depuis toujours donné leur chance aux patriotes d’origine immigrée au sein du parti, bien avant que l’UMPS ne récupère cette idée à de pures fins électoralistes, rabaissant ainsi les immigrés au rang de faire-valoir. Lors des élections régionales de 1998 par exemple, c’est le Front National qui a présenté le plus de candidats issus de l’immigration maghrébine.
En 1998, aux élections régionales, sur près de 1 700 élus en Métropole, 4 sont d’origine maghrébine. C’est le Front National qui a présenté le plus de candidats, une quinzaine, issus de l’immigration maghrébine. Sur ces 4 élus, 2 sont FN : Farid Smahi à Paris et Sid Ahmed Yahiaoui, ancien élu régional d’Ile de France, dans le Var (source : http://www.lettredelacitoyennete.org/nouvf33.htm).
Dante
Jan 4th, 2007
Arrêtez de VOUS laissez berner par les média ! C’est fous comme les gens consomment la télé de nos jours ! Si vous votez FN c’est juste pare que dans votre tête résonnent les mots “Insécurité+chômage+voyous=immigration”! ça me sidère de voir des jeunes avaler ces discours et vomir tout ça sous forme d’un vote à un parti xénophobe (Je défie n’importe qui de me prouver que le FN n’est pas xénophobe!) !
Il y en a qui parlent de VRAI FRANCE quand ils évoquent le FN! Mais les gars, c’est quoi la VRAIE FRANCE ? LaFrance est un pays que j’aime pour son multiculturalisme et parce que toutes les religions vivent en liberté ici ! C’est ça, vraie France! Arrêteez de regardez vos petites chaînes télés favories qui vous disent que “danger dans les rues, cités en feu, immigration,etc”! Sortez de vos petites maisons douillettes et chaudes et allez voir par vous-mêmes les vrais problèmes : misère social, crise du logement,impunité de la police (ou plutôt Milice Sarkozy??)… pensez par vous-mêmes !
Quand à ceux qui me disent que le FN c’est pas xénophobe, je leur offre volontiers un petit bouquin résumant l’histoire de leur leader Jean-Marie!
Quand on me dit “La France, aime-la ou quitte-la”, je répond “Merde ! j’ai le droit de l’aimer mais aussi de la critiquer car c’est par la critique que vient le changement!”
Ludwig
Jan 4th, 2007
Le pen a une idéologie que l’on nomme nationalisme et qui pense encore dans le cadre de nos frontieres etriqués… dans un monde globaliser ou l’Etat Nation n’est plus qu’un jalon dans les rapport de force mondiaux, cette idéologie est dangereuse car elle finira pour nous couper de la mondialisation et nous entrainer encore plus bas. Se refermer sur soit n’as jamais était bon.
Je n’attaque pas le racisme de JM simplement son idéologie qui est aussi dépassé que le communisme et qui consiste a faire des frontieres de la nation le seul et unique horizon de la race humaine… A l’heure ou on parle de reconquerir la lune, de culture aisatique dans des restaux francais tout en chattant avec des canadiens, la nation… on peut etre patriote à la limite.
Le probleme de Le Pen c’est d’avoir une idéologie perimmer et donc dangereuse pour notre santé, de regretter un moustachus peu aimable et au fond d’etre contre toute forme de démocratie ouverte et moderne.
Aprés bien sur on peut critiquer la démocratie, mais le simple fait de pouvoir la critiqué, cela ne veut il pas dire que nous sommes dans une démocratie qui fonctionne (apres de là a dire en bonne santée je ne sais pas)
Georges
Jan 4th, 2007
FN members are so stupids …. they can’t understand …
Kevin
Jan 8th, 2007
Le Pen’s ideas, as presented by itselfm era usually very poetics: are better world for every one, with flowers and birds…
But what if you look closer in his program? What about the “Preference Nationale”?
Every people from his party will tell you: look, he his not racist, he has blacks in his team, he elects muslims, and so on… For me, it is and remains only a facade, just to make themselves look better.
For me, the real way to see them as they are is to look as this small statement: why are the large majority of the people found guilty by the justice of racism are members or say themsleves as close to extrem-right, particularly to the FN?
Of course, any time, the FN denies, saying it is not the way they think, that it is a external and uncontrlable element, etc…
But what I know, is that there is no ambuguity aruond the real people in it. Groups of neo-Nazis, Facists and so on are part of it. Just have a look at all the events around the FN demonstrations in the past… A young man htrowed from a bridge, because he was arabic looking. Another one, killed by three guys placing adds for the FN from a bullet in the back, was also arabic looking…
Le Pen hisself has been found guilty: “Appel a la haine raciale” (Call to racist hate), in 2004. His words were “When France will have not 5 but 25 millions Muslims, they will lead, (…)and French people will have to hide, go down from pedestrian way with eyes down. When they don’t, they are said: ‘who you’re lookin’at? Want some fight?’ And you just can run away, otherwise you get beatten”. (This is my own translation, probably smoother than the real one…)
To the one assigning him on justice, he calls them the “gards dogs of antiracism, militia of human rights…”. And then pretend to say is keen on these two notions…
1971: guilty of “apology on war crimes”
1986: guilty for having rejected journalist because they were jewishs
1987: ” guilty of having called ‘detail’ the gas chambers
1989: he lost a trial against an actor having said “FN are not only facists, but real nazis”
1991: FN is guilty for is add: AIDS= Affairism, Immigration, Drugs, Socialism.
1994: Le Pen lost a trial against a politicain, having said that “Le Pen tortured in Algeria” (the French Algerian War), because “himself said in 1957 and after that torture in Algeria was legitimate, and what he told about what he did or didn’t were very ambiguous”.
I don’t say FN and Le Pen are racists. French justice do.
Oki Sakai said:
I have understand the true problem of the world : Islam, delinquance …
Isn’t that racism??????????? Saying the problem is Islam because a a thousand out of billions acts badly? Islam has some bad sides, but for the moment they have less blood on the hands than Christians, for example… and don’t mistake, I’m far from Muslim.
“25% of French agrees with ideas of FN”.
Wrong, definitely, and luckily. If it was so, Chirac wouldn’t hav mad 82% of votes on his last election. Meaning all people for FN were less than 17%, to be reduced due to extrem-left people having decided not to vote, which are a large amount of people…
Kevin
Jonel
Jan 8th, 2007
Le Pen ne devrait pas exister, mais il existe
polodist
Jan 12th, 2007
Front national or MPF are not facist. Lepe nhas made some error wich are obvious but he is not facist , his programs is inspired by Bush with social idea and he is not sionist. The facist wich were in FN have left this movement. we can find 2 Idea: The anti-sionist and the anti-al qaïda. lepe’s team doesn’t always say the truth about islam. The MPF says the truth. Lepen a commi certaines erreurs en parlant de sujets historiques sensibles se doutant bien des risques encourus donc il a provoqué du rejet . Mais il faut aussi savoir que la France est manipulé par ce que l’on appelle les soiwantes huitards heritiers du moi de mai 1968 qui a vu un vent de contestation souffler sur la France . Aujourd’hui ces pseudos rebelles controlent les medias et tout ce qui a le droit d’être dit pu pas en France. l’extreme-gauche a aussi envahi la justice avec le syndicat de la magistrature.
polodist
Jan 12th, 2007
Toute les religions en liberté? celui qu i a écrit cela a de l’humour. Un Chrétien se sent très libre à Trappe . La France est un pays multiculturel un peu trop d’ailleur ,la conséquence est une montée accrue du communauttarisme donc une libanisation ,il faudra donc quelques années grace à nos chers multiculturalistes pour que la guerre civile éclate. Malheureusement les Bobos trouveront les moyens de s’enfuir mais les honnetes gens resteront dans leur merde comme lors des emeutes. quand au monde mondialisé ,on voit quelle mondialisation choisissent nos mondialistes français : tout pour moi au cac 40 ,des miettes pour l’ouvrier chinois et le chomage pour les Français. C’est beau la globalisation aujourd’hui par exemple tu fabriques un Aiibus en France et hop un voyage de Chirac et demain la Chine fait ses propres avions. Et oui maintenant meme le personnel qualifié fait fasse à ce beau monde mondialisé. Il faut etre périmé pour parler de frontières. pourtant les pays qui en parlent ont me semblent ils de bons resultats economiques,comme les pays hors zones euros. Bin la je suis perdu les pays qui appliquent mes solutions passéistes s’en sortent. le protectionisme américain sur le textile par exemple.
I like your style
Jan 12th, 2007
Second Life : Photos de la Première manifestation antifasciste
Suite à la description par Blueberry de la Première manifestation cybercitoyenne antifasciste de Second Life*, des lecteurs nous adressent des photos de la manifestation:
Une lectrice (lecteur?), Rita, nous a laissé une joli image de brasier
* L…
oli
Jan 12th, 2007
Halte au front national !!
TOMTOM1006
Jan 14th, 2007
ce jeu est tro cool
nawel
Jan 14th, 2007
opjkkkkpo
asma
Jan 14th, 2007
the laila and abida cool
jubril
Jan 17th, 2007
very good
mazzetta
Jan 23rd, 2007
Le Pen sbarca su Second Life; rivolte, fucilate ed incendi.
I cittadini di Second Life non hanno preso bene l’idea dei supporter di Le Pen, quella di costruire un Le Pen Centre nel mondo virtuale, dal quale diffondere le idee dell’estremista di destra francese e supportarne la corsa verso l’Elis
hate fighter
Jan 25th, 2007
I totally support fighting against Lepen.
But why isn’t anyone blowing up the US congress when they’re doing conferences in second life. during the Clinton administration, some of the worst immigration laws were passed, nobody seem to even take notice of that.
What will always remain dreams for LEPEN is an everyday reality in the USA, thanks to all americans who vote democrats & republicans.
Remember the american indians, the slaves, the vietnam war, the shah in Iran, the installation to power of Sadam Hussein by the US, the killing of thousands of iraqi innocent, the nicaragua contras, the coup against Hugo chavez. Blood has been on the hands of america since its inception
hate fighter
Jan 25th, 2007
I totally support fighting against Lepen.
But why isn’t anyone blowing up the US congress when they’re doing conferences in second life. during the Clinton administration, some of the worst immigration laws were passed, nobody seem to even take notice of that.
What will always remain dreams for LEPEN is an everyday reality in the USA, thanks to all americans who vote democrats & republicans.
Remember the american indians, the slaves, the vietnam war, the shah in Iran, the installation to power of Sadam Hussein by the US, the killing of thousands of iraqi innocent, the nicaragua contras, the coup against Hugo chavez. Blood has been on the hands of america since its inception
@rnO
Feb 4th, 2007
Ludwig : < < Ah mais non...c'est des façes de citron vous me direz, communiste qui plus est, rien a voir avec notre Jean Marie national qui lui est blanc >>
Mais arretez à la fin, on est pas raciste.
< < un breton meme pas un francais...mais c'est quoi un francais au fait?? >>
C’est sûr qu’avec vos lois immigrationistes et mondialistes, être Français ne veut plus rien dire.
< < Ouvrez vous, vous français perclus de haine et de préjugé sur le monde qui vous entoure, sortez!!! >>
Arrêtez de nous parler de haine, notre haine est envers ceux qui la mérite, c’est à dire les racailles, les meurtriers, les assassins d’animaux, les mafieux, les terroristes etc. Envers eux, il vaut mieux avoir de la haine que de l’amour ! On sait très bien que vous êtes contre la peine de mort car vous AIMEZ ces fils de pute !!!
Et en ce qui concerne les préjugés, je me suis fais emmerder par des racailles trèèès souvent noir et arabe donc ce ne sont pas des préjugés !
< < de regretter un moustachus peu aimable et au fond d'etre contre toute forme de démocratie ouverte et moderne. >>
Il ne regrette pas Hitler si c’est de lui que tu veux parler. Et il n’est pas contre la démocratie.
Dante : < < Arrêtez de VOUS laissez berner par les média ! C'est fous comme les gens consomment la télé de nos jours ! Si vous votez FN c'est juste pare que dans votre tête résonnent les mots "Insécurité+chômage+voyous=immigration"! >>
Mais nous, on ne fait pas que regarder les médias, l’insécurité, on la vie en vraie, les années passées au collège furent cauchemardesques.
C’est toi qui te fait manipuler par les mensonges des médias contre le FN.
< < Quand on me dit "La France, aime-la ou quitte-la", je répond "Merde ! j'ai le droit de l'aimer mais aussi de la critiquer car c'est par la critique que vient le changement!" >>
Il y a une grosse différence entre critiquer et haïr !
Georges : < < FN members are so stupids .... they can't understand ... >>
Do you have others arguments ?
Kevin : < < A young man htrowed from a bridge, because he was arabic looking. Another one, killed by three guys placing adds for the FN from a bullet in the back, was also arabic looking... >>
I answer that these racist killers are a minority of the party. And the Arabs killed wasn’t can be not innocent.
< < "25% of French agrees with ideas of FN".
Wrong, definitely, and luckily. If it was so, Chirac wouldn't hav mad 82% of votes on his last election. Meaning all people for FN were less than 17% >>
The ideas move ! Now, there are more people for the FN.
hate fighter : < < the coup against Hugo chavez >>
I point out that Hugo Chavez, who is of left, is not very democratic thus you shouldn’t defend him !
In french : Je rappelle que Hugo Chavez, qui est de gauche, n’est pas très démocratique donc vous ne devriez pas le défendre !
Nobody
Feb 21st, 2007
Most people posting in this thread are idiots. Isn’t it up to France and the French if they desire to import masses of thankless people who rob, rape and burn their country down?
What legitimate claims have all these Africans and Muslims on France? None whatsoever.
If the Front National is the only force brave enough to disregard off the shelf PC accusations of “racism”, and stand up and oppose Europe slowly being transformed into a third world islamist Mid East disaster area within a hundred years, more power to them.
@rnO
Apr 20th, 2007
Ah shit ! My preceding comment had a problem.
Ah merde ! Mon précédent commentaire a eu un problème.
Ludwig : ” Ah mais non…c’est des façes de citron vous me direz, communiste qui plus est, rien a voir avec notre Jean Marie national qui lui est blanc ”
Mais arretez à la fin, on est pas raciste.
” un breton meme pas un francais…mais c’est quoi un francais au fait?? ”
C’est sûr qu’avec vos lois immigrationistes et mondialistes, être Français ne veut plus rien dire.
” Ouvrez vous, vous français perclus de haine et de préjugé sur le monde qui vous entoure, sortez!!! ”
Arrêtez de nous parler de haine, notre haine est envers ceux qui la mérite, c’est à dire les racailles, les meurtriers, les assassins d’animaux, les mafieux, les terroristes etc. Envers eux, il vaut mieux avoir de la haine que de l’amour ! On sait très bien que vous êtes contre la peine de mort car vous AIMEZ ces fils de pute !!!
Et en ce qui concerne les préjugés, je me suis fais emmerder par des racailles trèèès souvent noir et arabe donc ce ne sont pas des préjugés !
” de regretter un moustachus peu aimable et au fond d’etre contre toute forme de démocratie ouverte et moderne. ”
Il ne regrette pas Hitler si c’est de lui que tu veux parler. Et il n’est pas contre la démocratie.
Dante : ” Arrêtez de VOUS laissez berner par les média ! C’est fous comme les gens consomment la télé de nos jours ! Si vous votez FN c’est juste pare que dans votre tête résonnent les mots “Insécurité+chômage+voyous=immigration”! ”
Mais nous, on ne fait pas que regarder les médias, l’insécurité, on la vie en vraie, les années passées au collège furent cauchemardesques.
C’est toi qui te fait manipuler par les mensonges des médias contre le FN.
” Quand on me dit “La France, aime-la ou quitte-la”, je répond “Merde ! j’ai le droit de l’aimer mais aussi de la critiquer car c’est par la critique que vient le changement!” ”
Il y a une grosse différence entre critiquer et haïr !
Georges : ” FN members are so stupids …. they can’t understand … ”
Do you have others arguments ?
Kevin : ” A young man htrowed from a bridge, because he was arabic looking. Another one, killed by three guys placing adds for the FN from a bullet in the back, was also arabic looking… ”
I answer that these racist killers are a minority of the party. And the Arabs killed wasn’t can be not innocent.
” “25% of French agrees with ideas of FN”.
Wrong, definitely, and luckily. If it was so, Chirac wouldn’t hav mad 82% of votes on his last election. Meaning all people for FN were less than 17% ”
The ideas move ! Now, there are more people for the FN.
hate fighter : ” the coup against Hugo chavez ”
I point out that Hugo Chavez, who is of left, is not very democratic thus you shouldn’t defend him !
In french : Je rappelle que Hugo Chavez, qui est de gauche, n’est pas très démocratique donc vous ne devriez pas le défendre !