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349 Responses to “updated: We didn’t Want You to Know This, But Agitators Will Be Banned”

1. 

   Eric Rice
   

   Apr 2nd, 2007
   

   Prediction: Prok’s either gonna be on a panel, or hired by a big metaverse agency.
2. 

   Stupid Newbie
   

   Apr 2nd, 2007
   

   I’m a newb and frankly Prok terrifies me, and if he/she/it isn’t going to be at the SLCC then I might actually go.
3. 

   Artemis Fate
   

   Apr 2nd, 2007
   

   “I haven’t slandered and defamed companies and individuals.”

   “Artemis is a long-time griefer of me, IRC channeller, official forums annoyer, etc. And she’s carried that over here into the forums.”

   All in the same paragraph. ‘Nuff said.
4. 

   Prokofy Neva
   

   Apr 2nd, 2007
   

   Uri, you need to do an editorial that explains what you are doing by putting comments on moderation. They’ve actually been on moderation for some weeks, and I think those who are Typepad members are able to log in and post but not everybody or something, it’s not clear. Please explain exactly WHY you have turned on moderation, whether everyone is subject to moderation, and have a discussiona about whether it is necessary. I personally don’t think it should be on.
5. 

   Adri
   

   Apr 2nd, 2007
   

   You know, I find it interesting to see so many people insisting that Prokofy’s typist is incapable of holding normal conversations and is incapable of getting along in social situations. How many of you have met Prokofy’s typist IRL?

   I spent last Friday evening (and well into the morning, oops) at Prokofy’s home, as did many others, some known and some unknown to Prok. The room was full of friends and strangers and people who Prokofy had antagonized and who had antagonized her (pardon me, Prokofy, for the pronoun use, I’d prefer not to use your RL name, but am speaking of the typist, not the av) and people who had no idea about our little corner of internet drama here in SL. The event was full of casual conversation, intelligent discourse, drunken rambling, and laughter.

   I don’t always agree with Prokofy, and s/he doesn’t always agree with me, or with what my company does, or with the causes I support. I have minimal online interaction with him/her. However, I can say with the utmost certainty that s/he is not a threat to ‘casual conversation’ or a comfortable social atmosphere.

   Thanks, again, for the good times, Prokofy. I hope to see you in Chicago.
6. 

   Jennyfur
   

   Apr 2nd, 2007
   

   Here is the official word from Randy on our blog: Randy has posted the official statement here:

   http://slcc2007.wordpress.com/2007/04/02/registration-will-be-open-to-all/
7. 

   Joshua Nightshade
   

   Apr 2nd, 2007
   

   What was more gratifying was telling all of those individuals just the truth of your bogus bullshit. That was nice; I got equally an expression of disbelief when they realized you’re entirely out of your mind and a liar.
8. 

   Joshua Nightshade
   

   Apr 2nd, 2007
   

   “Typepad could not delete content from my site without sending me a warning, an action, an automatic thingie, something. That just doesn’t happen.”

   So I’m supposed to take your word that Typepad didn’t contact you to remove it when you deny that it was there in the firstplace despite timestamps, screenshots, 15 people seeing it and so on? Nah, I’ll pass.

   What’s likely is you did get just such a notice of disciplinary action and you’re lying about that as well.
9. 

   shockwave yareach
   

   Apr 2nd, 2007
   

   :: precedents

   Good precedents and procedures for handling disruptive and potentially disruptive people are commonplace in SF and SFantasy conventions. They work briefly as such:

   * a con is a private party, thus the staff may exclude anyone it deems necessary. Corollary: A con that bans people without reason will find itself with no members and cease to exist.
   * cons generally do not ban people unless there is a proven case of assault on record, such as attacking someone at another con or a police record that can be presented as evidence. “He said…” on a webpage generally fails to rise to a banning offense.
   * cons generally have a “Two Strike” policy and people getting out of line only get one warning – the second infraction gets the person expelled from the con. People who cause problems online (but have no history of RL assault) are admitted with one strike already used up. If the person behaves him/herself at several cons, this generally gets dropped.
   * con security is notified of the potential problem, and given photos and general details about the individual. For example, someone bragging about stealing stuff in his blog will be watched very carefully in the dealers den.

   Of course, we _could_ let these people settle their grudges with a duel at the gathering — say, nerf guns at 10 paces.
10. 

    urizenus
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    Jennyfur, thanks for the update and link.

    Prok, the comment moderation has been on for a couple weeks because we were getting grief-spammed by the PN. At this point I’m just checking to see that posts aren’t idiotic racist ejaculations. Anything else goes in without reflection, since Mark and I don’t have the time or the patience to read this stuff.

    But may I ask that you guys keep the talk of crimes out of this. This isn’t a court of law and we have no judge or jury or rules of evidence here. If you think a crime has been committed go to court and deal with it. This isn’t the place for resolving real life legal disputes.

    I’d also prefer that everyone keep their armchair psychological evaluations to yourselves. Most of you are not mental health professionals, and if you were you wouldn’t be diagnosing someone via their blog posts. Moreover if you were a mental health professional and you did diagnose someone as being mentally ill you wouldn’t toss the diagnosis around as an insult.

    Thank you for your attention.

    ==the management
11. 

    Joshua Nightshade
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    But Uri, what can Prokofy possibly write if she’s not allowed baseless lies about faux crimes!
12. 

    Taco Rubio
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    http://photo.sing365.com/music/picture.nsf/Ace-Frehley-photo/4B978B9805AF2B7348256F6A00085C09/$file/ace+frehley.jpg
13. 

    Prokofy Neva
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    >So I’m supposed to take your word that Typepad didn’t contact you to remove it when you deny that it was there in the firstplace despite timestamps, screenshots, 15 people seeing it and so on? Nah, I’ll pass.

    >What’s likely is you did get just such a notice of disciplinary action and you’re lying about that as well.

    Oh, now there are 15 people suffering from the folie a deux lol? Hilarious! there is no such thing. Screenshots can and are easily faked, and in the hysteria of SC, it’s easy to whip up a possee who believe they saw this. One of the impoverished pathetic things that stalkers do is hitch themselves to famous people and then claim they’re being victimized.

    Typepad did not send me anything. In fact, both Cocoanut and I wrote to them about the problem of the stalking Joshua Nightshade and the possee from SC and they replied with the standard information about contacting the RL police.

    Any journalist is welcome to go to Typepad and ask them if they made any disciplinary action against me. I’ve never heard from them. They surely don’t take content out without some kind of notification. I’ve never had content removed nor any action
14. 

    Cocoanut Koala
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    Here’s a little history for you.

    I objected to this preemptive banning when Jennyfur first announced it. I discussed it further, back in January, on SC, in a thread called – Who’s this “Prokofy” I keep hearing so much about?

    In that thread, where Flipper and Jennyfur were justifying this decision to ban Prok and I was criticizing it, I said, among other things:

    ——–

    . Don’t want to tarnish the SLCC by allowing such an incident to occur? Well, you’re tarnishing it much worse this way. This is an individual who came to the SLCC in NYC and the individual acted just as every other attendee. This is an individual who, in fact, attends many such things, in the course of living, including that other convention that they hold, that was held concurrent with the SLCC in NYC. This is an individual who travels to other countries without incident, and who speaks at the U.N. without incident. Who goes to church without incident, who goes to work without incident, and who attends school programs without incident, and buys groceries without incident.

    . I don’t think you have to worry that his attending the SLCC would tarnish it any further than the SLCC organizers are already doing a stellar job of accomplishing.

    . You’re a group who lets people attend IF you let them, and who bans them IF you don’t like them, or if you deem enough others don’t like them. I think you need to grow up a bit, get out of the high school frat party mode.

    . SLCC is certainly no “community convention.” It is run by a few residents who decide among themselves whom they will let attend and whom they will bar.

    ———

    Jennyfur responded with:

    “This shit is so predictable anymore its downright absurd. I’ve tried to rationalize Coco’s posts and I’ve tried not to dislike her for being friends with Prok and have tried to understand where she is coming from. I think she has just about fully crossed my lines of no hope. I tried to consider her a decent person beneath it all. But when it comes down to it she is an enabler, an apologist, a cheerleader, a denier and sympatheizer for Prok’s heinous acts. Its really sad that she has no mind of her own. She spends just about every posting stroking the theorectical Prok cock. Its sickening and pathetic and really quite frankly I’m done with it.”

    and

    ”Coco can fuck off on the same boat in which Prok sails. I am sick of her pathetic whinning about all the unfairness in the world and how Prok can do no wrong and how the rest of us need to grow up. We get taken to task for the most minor infringement yet her comrade can threaten to strangle people and make up vicious lies and spew hate speech and bile and its ok. Coco you are worse than Prok in some ways. You are an enabler. You are a sympathizer and apologist, History will not look kindly upon you.”

    This is why I’ve blown them and the SLCC off, and suggest anyone else who wants to play with grown-ups instead of a bunch of babies do the same thing. A so-called “community conference” run this way is doomed to irrelevancy.

    This sort of thing, and the concomitant treatment of me for objecting to it, is why I now consider Flipper, Jennyfur, Aimee Weber, Joshua Nightshade, and a few others involved in this long and infantile anti-Prok campaign as non-entities to SL, and as ciphers to me personally.

    Coco

    P.S. Flipper says an individual “leaked” the fact that they were considering banning Prok from the SLCC. In fact, it was his wife Jennyfur who “leaked” it, and she announced that Prok was banned, period.

    -IMPORTANT- -URI-

    P.S. Uri, reading on here, I see that you think Flipper was misunderstood or something.

    No – Jennyfur announced Prok was banned quite some time ago – even before the thread I quoted from above – and I have objected to it ever since (despite being called names for doing so).

    It is only very recently that Flipper and Jennyfur have started to say this wasn’t “really” decided on. In fact, they told everyone Prok was banned, by agreement of the SLCC committee, and on advice of Flipper’s lawyer, and have argued with me from that stance for months.

    Very recently – like a week or so ago, maybe a bit more – Jennyfur said they were now “reconsidering” the ban. And now they are trying to say there was never really a ban at all?

    That is simply not true.
15. 

    Joshua Nightshade
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    Well that’s funny, because a lot more people than just you and Coco contacted Typepad about the problem of the stalking Prokofy Neva. Guess we won!
16. 

    Simone
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    ” But may I ask that you guys keep the talk of crimes out of this. This isn’t a court of law and we have no judge or jury or rules of evidence here. If you think a crime has been committed go to court and deal with it. This isn’t the place for resolving real life legal disputes.

    I’d also prefer that everyone keep their armchair psychological evaluations to yourselves. Most of you are not mental health professionals, and if you were you wouldn’t be diagnosing someone via their blog posts. Moreover if you were a mental health professional and you did diagnose someone as being mentally ill you wouldn’t toss the diagnosis around as an insult. ”

    ~~Urizenus

    Absolutely right, damn straight, amen. ( zOMG I’m agreeing with Uri. o.O )
17. 

    Onder Skall
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    Ok, good to see a formal “we’re not going to do this heinous thing”.

    NOW…

    I mean look, guys, this is all just a lot of typey-typey. It’s not like what we write means something. (Prok’s gonna kill me for saying that but…) It’s all just words. Poets do not change the world, nor do they live in the constant torment that their poems portray.

    What am I trying to say here…

    Years ago, in my foolish youth, I participated in a BBS feud. We were Interzone, they were EBTTRT, we ruled, they sucked, we were enlightened, they were morons, etc etc etc… but then we started going to the same parties and everything changed. These characters we portray in text are just that – characters. Sit down at a table with your sworn enemy over a beer or two and everything changes.

    I guess that’s why I write about games… because at least then I know I’m writing about something that’s actually happening.
18. 

    anon
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    “it’s easy to whip up a possee who believe they saw this.”
    So why don’t you whip up a posse who says they specifically didn’t see that word?

    “One of the impoverished pathetic things that stalkers do is hitch themselves to famous people and then claim they’re being victimized.”
    Indeed, Prok. Indeed. Say, would you like a mirror to say that into?
19. 

    Io Zeno
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    Joshua Nightshade recieved a photo of Prokofy’s door from *someone else inside SL*.

    This person then asked Josh for further personal information about Prokofy, assuming that Josh, given how he has been described by Prokofy here, would comply. Instead Josh sought to warn Prokofy of this person, who was a potential threat.

    Given Prok’s hatred of Joshua, he went to her friend, Cocoa, and asked her to pass on this info, leaving him out of the story, because he knew what Prok would do. Change the story to “Josh is stalking me”, not “Josh is trying to warn me of a real stalker”. But instead Cocoa did exactly that, passing on the photo of the door with Josh’s name involved. Now Prok is claiming that, instead of the attempt to help her, that Josh was trying to threaten her.

    I just wanted to clear that up for anyone reading this.

    I’m sure Cocoa can speak for herself, since she alone knows exactly what happened. Interesting that she has gone silent all of a sudden, eh?
20. 

    Jennifer McLuhan
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    If Prokofy could write something that was even close to the actual facts he wouldn’t have nearly so many people criticizing him. However, he builds a forest of fiction from one tree of fact and wants us to believe his novel is history.

    For the record, I never heard of Arahan (who I don’t think has commented in this thread, so why did Prok bring his name up?) or Josuha before Prokofy dropped his nuclear bomb on me for asking his gender. Yes, I did ask. I did not demand. And, he conveniently forgets to mention I apologize after learning it was a breach of etiquette and, that he was sensitive about it. I asked because I couldn’t believe a woman spoke and wrote with such profanity and insensitivity. It had nothing to do with anyone sending me over. If SLHomepare is still up, anyone can go read the thread and judge for themselves.

    Also, I supported Arahan’s right to place whatever he pleases in the privacy of his own home, even if it was insulting to a religion. I didn’t support the desecration of someone’s religion. I am against that completely. Yes, I was in his art group, I was invited and since he was a friend I agreed to join. He and I have since agreed that our values are different in some areas and I am no longer a member of his group.

    Also, my earlier comments were merely my opinion that Prok have brought this grief upon himself by his own actions. I did not coordinate my post with anyone.

    So Prokofy can fuss all he wants and call me all sorts of names but, for a so called reporter he sure gets his facts wrong.

    Jen
21. 

    Boss Melnitz
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    Now what would be hilarious is if hundreds of attendees were to fling rubber dildos at Prok as she walked through the convention entrance. A rather Anshe-esque tribute, no?

    Come on, people! Can’t we just get over all this petty, snide behavior? If for no other reason than to not have to scroll through six pages of Prok’s responses in the comments. As I had to remind myself several months ago, it’s just a fucking game. SL will never be RL, no matter how much some people wish it was.
22. 

    Mark
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    __You know, I find it interesting to see so many people insisting that Prokofy’s typist is incapable of holding normal conversations and is incapable of getting along in social situations. How many of you have met Prokofy’s typist IRL?__

    People want to allow others to avoid responsibilty for their actions by drawing this vague, imaginary line between RL and online. I’m sorry, that’s just bunk. The things Prokofy writes are done so in real life. Just because the things are said on web sites doesn’t make it any more or less “RL” — because everything we do online, whether it’s shopping on eBay or ripping people to shreds, IS RL. He speculates about “why” certain people are the way they are by pondering, aloud, what their RL psychological state is, i.e. the “fat cow” stuff, that supposedly drives them to be bad apples. Honestly, this RL/SL distinction excuse is just lame, and it’s time to dispel the illusion that someone needs to be looked at with a fresh eye just because you’re physically face to face with them. Prok has basically said, “NO WAY, NO HOW”, would he consider giving someone a fresh start just because they were in person, so I do not understand why those he is doing battle with get ripped for it and he doesn’t.

    It’s so cute to see the SLH staff circle their wagons though, even the spoiled princess nooblet Tenshi is trying to earn honor points with her bosses by sniping from the sidelines.

    Enablers and excuse makers, the lot of you. It’s noted that not one of you apologists has taken ten seconds to say, “Hey Prok, that fat cow stuff and making a cross with your fingers was a bit over the top”. Not one. Deliberately ignoring it or just that blindered? You pick.

    Yes, the ‘verse needs critics, as does any large collaborative effort, but what is doesn’t need is years old petty grudges and vendettas poisoning it indefinitely. It doesn’t need people who are so self-righteous that they can never admit to having been wrong about anything, or let go of anything, (I’ll bet Prok can tell you the names of kids that irritated him when he was in grade school; such is her propensity for grudge holding for real and many times perceived slights. The ‘verse doesn’t need those who view themselves as policy making experts trying to tell everyone what the can and can’t do. It’s hypocritical to the extreme, given the general tone of Prokofy’s hate filled diatribes, where he tries to accuse others of trying to dictate.
23. 

    Mark
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    __Sit down at a table with your sworn enemy over a beer or two and everything changes.__

    Direct that at Prok, because that is where the roadblock is to this sort of hatchet burying event you describe.

    Open your eyes.
24. 

    Tenshi Vielle
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    “I’d also prefer that everyone keep their armchair psychological evaluations to yourselves. Most of you are not mental health professionals, and if you were you wouldn’t be diagnosing someone via their blog posts. Moreover if you were a mental health professional and you did diagnose someone as being mentally ill you wouldn’t toss the diagnosis around as an insult.”

    THANK YOU. I’ve been thinking that while viewing this entire thread.
25. 

    Mark
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    __THANK YOU. I’ve been thinking that while viewing this entire thread.__

    Again. Prok does this on a continual basis. (I’m not saying others do not), so what gives kids? Why is it that you overlook the same “qualities” in Prok that you hand wring over in others? Where is the chiding of your precious Prok when she states as FACT that Aimeeeis a horrible person because she has self-esteem issues having to do with her weight? WHERE ARE YOUR CRITICISMS OF THAT INTERNET DIAGNOSIS?

    Oh and, haven’t we seen Uri psychologize on here before. Erm yes, we have, right in Tenshi’s attack piece.

    The irony on display here knows no bounds.
26. 

    Nacon
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    Oy.. this went on and on and on… just ban her anyway. What is so importance for her to be in the same crowd who hates her? You thought that idea in the first place for a good reason. Plus for a safety reason for people not to get physical whenever Prok open her mouth.
27. 

    Harlequin Salome
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    I have to admit, the sort of odd defensiveness is amusing. I’ve heard alot of people that would rather show up if prok didn’t show up, because frankly, her SL persona is that of a shrill and shrieking psychopath, full of libel and venom. When something gets his gander up, he leaps up and down like some sort of Daffy Duck on PCP as written by Hunter Thompson, spraying insults and accusations as though it was saliva from his bill.

    The worst part is, I don’t believe Prok dislikes the banning, or the insults. I think he thrives on it, and the fact that the staff of the Herald will defend him to the last, because he’s an attention getter. The only reason I think anyone wants prok on still is that he gets attention and brings people to the Herald, like a drunken freak in front of a sideshow. Come see the bearded lady, folks, and read the herald while you’re at it! Just wondering when the pickled punks will be introduced.

    The biggest issue is that you seem to feel entitled to come. I think you’re not. Your attitude is a combatative one, not suited to a friendly gathering of friends, and more suited to a single-minded rally, or perhaps the wards of Belview. My only suggestion to you is to come to Chicago and sit in a bar on Rush street, drinking well scotch and Coors Light, while ranting about the FIC to the others at the bar who care as much about your words as most of us do, or perhaps just sit in your own house, far away from the rest of us, while we indulge in enjoying ourselves. If I were to run into someone from a rival group there, it would mean nothing but a chance to make friends with someone, leaving the rivalries and anger behind in the internet where it belongs for most of us.
28. 

    Joshua Nightshade
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    Harlequin,

    You’ve nailed it. Prokofy isn’t intending on coming anyway, whether she was banned or not she would create a faux “boycott” of the event anyway because she’s lazy and can’t be bothered to fly out anywhere. She loves this shit and very much needs it to feel important about herself.

    I was invited, personally, to the Meetup last Friday and I went with friends and it wasn’t until after we were already there that I realized Prok would be coming. Her claim that I went to ‘stalk’ her is ludicrous; by that logic she went to stalk the ESC whom she continually harasses. It was a free, open event and I would’ve enjoyed my night a lot further if I hadn’t personally taken the time to avoid her completely.

    It wasn’t until the end of it that I saw her standing next to me and figured I would be cordial and say hello, to let her past abuses and attacks on me go; Prokofy wasn’t interested in any of that. She’s a sad, vile, lonely woman and I only wish she could keep her insanity inside her own world and stop pissing on ours, real or virtual.
29. 

    Cocoanut Koala
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    Io, I’m not sure how it is you know all about that picture and Josh, Prok, and me, since you had nothing to do with it.

    I’m assuming you are simply reporting what Josh told you.

    Joshua is saying that I told him I wouldn’t tell Prokofy who the photo was from.

    I have no memory whatsoever of Joshua asking me not to say it was from him. I invite someone to present a chat log saying I promised any such thing, or that I was even ASKED that I not tell Prok where it came from.

    Indeed, if you think about it – how could I POSSIBLY present this photo to Prok and NOT say where I had gotten it? Even Joshua knows that I would never do a thing like that. No one would expect that.

    Joshua told me that he was just trying to help, and felt that Prok should know, but that Prok would take it all wrong and bite his head off if Joshua tried to approach him about it. I believe he also told me that Prok had him on ignore. So I agreed to give Prok the photo.

    Now, I don’t claim to have a perfect memory. And I do have a tendency not to believe others are lying, or to think that they would lie. But I have no memory whatsoever of promising to do this and keep Joshua anonymous at all.

    Moreover, I would never have agreed to doing it that way. I could not have done it that way – I simply could not have shown Prok this picture and not say who it came from. Can you imagine me ever doing that? “Here – it’s a picture of a front door, but I can’t tell you where it came from.”

    I relayed to Prok the same info that Joshua gave me – that Joshua wanted him to know that someone had this picture, but didn’t want to give it to him himself.

    I could NOT have shown Prok that picture and withheld from him the information about who had given me the picture. Because I simply could not have done that, I would never have promised any such thing in the first place.

    I asked Joshua who the picture had come from. He gave me a name I don’t recall now, but said the person was no longer in search. I looked it up in Search, and indeed, it wasn’t there.

    I did what Joshua asked. I gave the photo to Prok, and told him that Joshua felt he should know about it, but that he preferred to use me as an emmissary, rather than get yelled at by Prok. Which is precisely what Joshua told me.

    Now, it is conceivable that there might have been something about that conversation that led Josh to believe I would keep it secret. It is conceivable that he might have said, “I’d rather you didn’t tell Prok this was from me,” though I don’t recall him saying that.

    It is also remotely conceivable – VERY remotely – that I promised not to say who sent it, then somehow promptly forgot entirely that I had said that. My memory isn’t perfect.

    But – the fact remains, I have no such memory of any such thing. Thinking about it now, I don’t see how I COULD have promised any such thing, either.

    —–

    As for the SLCC thing, glad they have come to their sense. However, Prokofy’s banning was no “rumor,” as the SLCC site now puts it. That Prokofy was banned was stated time and again, and taken as a starting point of discussion, by Jennyfur and Flipper. And time and again, they publically justified the ban.

    coco
30. 

    Prokofy Neva
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    >For the record, I never heard of Arahan (who I don’t think has commented in this thread, so why did Prok bring his name up?) or Josuha before Prokofy dropped his nuclear bomb on me for asking his gender.

    Why were you in two groups with Arahan then? Hello? You all stampeded together into SL Home page at the same time.

    >Yes, I did ask. I did not demand. And, he conveniently forgets to mention I apologize after learning it was a breach of etiquette and, that he was sensitive about it. I asked because I couldn’t believe a woman spoke and wrote with such profanity and insensitivity. It had nothing to do with anyone sending me over. If SLHomepare is still up, anyone can go read the thread and judge for themselves.

    Er, may you need to revise your standards? I fight back. When people stalk me and engage against profanity against me first, I fight back. You kids aren’t used to people fighting back. That’s what I do. I think the record stands on your bad behaviour on Home Page *shrugs*.

    Good!

    >Also, my earlier comments were merely my opinion that Prok have brought this grief upon himself by his own actions. I did not coordinate my post with anyone.

    No, you don’t get to blame the victim. That’s sick. That’s what people do far too often. I fight back. That’s all there is to it.

    >So Prokofy can fuss all he wants and call me all sorts of names but, for a so called reporter he sure gets his facts wrong.

    You admit that you found common cause and were in the same group as Arahan. You bolstered one another on Home Page. If you decided to become curious and nosey about me for some OTHER reason, and sequentially it’s not through Arahan *initially*, wow, big deal! Huge factual mistake THE HORROR. The important issue is that a) you made common cause with him which you admit and b) you persisted aggressively and really pruriently and stupidly to invade my privacy and demand accountings of my RL which you just don’t do. Like puppies, some people need to have their noses pushed into their messes before they stop pissing on people like they do in Second Life.
31. 

    Prokofy Neva
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    I think it’s pretty nasty to call someone with a transgendered avatar “a bearded lady”. I’m not a bearded lady. I have an avatar with the opposite gender and *that’s ok* in case you didn’t get the memo yet.

    Truth in advertising: as an Alliance Navy regular, you’ve LONG had an axe to grind because you haven’t liked my criticism of your HIGH-IMPACT build in Tethys and you have all kinds of “issues”. You’ve long harangued me in world and in forums. So your commentary is tainted here, showing up with all this now.

    I didn’t wish to have any attention surrounding the SLCC. I was surprised that the lovely Peregrines went so far as to ban me. But that’s because when I found out they were STILL leading the thing I wrote a really critical article about their crappy leadership called “Get Rid of These People” that was read so many gadzillion times that if you type that phrase into Google it’s now the first hit. I didn’t say anything especially nasty about them personally, I outlined a bunch of things I felt were wrong — I just think they are too insular and limited to be running this.

    And…they aren’t anymore, in case nobody noticed. That is, they’re there in some sort of capacity but they have been “eased out” as the saying goes. SO perhaps there’s hope. Some of the people in it now look to be more professional and less of the old FIC type, but one never knows how the Poison Posse spreads its talons.

    Because I made this critical article months ago, Jennyfur put a fatwah on me. I laughed and shrugged it off. I figured I wouldn’t go anyway. I never protested it, never wrote about it even. Months ago, I learned I was banned and *I personally* did not chose to make ANY deal about it. Imagine! Then Flipper and all his fluffers began agitating about it on SC. I ignored it again and didn’t even blog about it. Then people began asking me, hey, is that true? That you are banned?! And I noticed that more and more people were asking about it. So then because they were being asked about it, Flipper and Jennyfur CONFIRMED it. And Jeska Lindend CONFIRMED it at the first night of VW 07 (my, how quickly we’re forgetting this now that there’s some rapid about-face being done).

    I think it was Spin Martin who began to ask Jeska, hey, what’s up with this?! And you know? I was very uncomfortable to be sitting in a group at VW 07 in the Hilton and talking about something completely different, and then whoops, there I was suddenly the center of a possible controversy with Jeska. So I got up, and went over to talk to Jerry and Adam and ignored them, and they had some pointed discussion about it, and it went from there, as more and more people in the room began to hear about it, then the conference.

    So they brought attention on *themselves* by their bad behaviour, I didn’t chose to make it an issue.
32. 

    Joshua Nightshade
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    “What’s astounding about this is that the SLCC organizers are prepared to let in really odious fucktards like Joshua Nightshade, who has taken my RL picture and defaced it and been totally gross to me, and stalked me, and sent me pictures of my real-life door (this is where it is like Kathy Sierra), but he’s tolerated by this bunch. W-hat assholes who grief and crash the grid and deface my RL picture and harass me and call me at home are tolerated and even celebrated for their machinima or whatever. All of them are far trouble than me, given their proven capacity for liquoring up and harassing people in sickening ways.”

    Beyond more of your lies, here again you demonstrate your inability to distill reality from fact. I never did jack shit with your door, AT ALL. And even for the person who had, comparing someone sending around a photograph of your place to a woman who had a pair of underwear photoshopped onto her face like it was strangling her— well I don’t even need to finish this thought; you’re the kind of person who would champion yourself as a transsexual yet attack and disparage legitimate transsexuals and homosexuals, you’re the kind of person who claims to be concerned with women’s rights yet throws around the word “rape” and “sexual assault” when describing things that happen in a video game (or not even at all!) so it’s really no wonder that you would fashion yourself a victim here when all I tried to do was help alert you to a potentially dangerous situation.

    Don’t worry, Prok. The lesson’s been learned.
33. 

    Prokofy Neva
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    >P.S. Uri, reading on here, I see that you think Flipper was misunderstood or something.

    >No – Jennyfur announced Prok was banned quite some time ago – even before the thread I quoted from above – and I have objected to it ever since (despite being called names for doing so).

    >It is only very recently that Flipper and Jennyfur have started to say this wasn’t “really” decided on. In fact, they told everyone Prok was banned, by agreement of the SLCC committee, and on advice of Flipper’s lawyer, and have argued with me from that stance for months.

    >Very recently – like a week or so ago, maybe a bit more – Jennyfur said they were now “reconsidering” the ban. And now they are trying to say there was never really a ban at all?

    Thanks for setting that record straight, Coco.

    Uri, you can’t be expected to be going and reading back pages of SC, but it’s easily accessed and you can see the months of threads on this banning stuff. I called it “the fatwah” and joked about it for ever.

    This is absolutely the case. Months ago, Jennyfur announced I was banned. She took great glee in it. Then they all yammered about it for ages at SC but then it died down. But then kicked up again.

    One of the nastiest things about this entire episode is the way those two LIE and pretend now that ‘it wasn’t decided’ and ‘wasn’t a final decision’ when in fact precisely because *some of their own number* were trying to question it (no friends of mine, but just people finding it odd that you could try to put an SL-like “land ban” on somebody in RL), they justified it. Only a few days ago Flipper put up a *confirmation* and *justification* on the banning. And it was Aimee Weber that put the ideological component of the banning into articulation, saying that with all the “panty slashing” and all the “real life death threats” I was engaged in (bursts out laughing) and given my “unstability” that it was prudent, and it was a lawyer’s advice, to ban me.

    What’s so horrible about all this is that it really is what it comes down to: a handful of cliquish people putting a land-ban on real life. Taking the most horrid of SL culture and imposing it on real life. THat’s why I bother with SL so much because I see that coming all over and it’s awful to contemplate. And what’s especially awful is that the only way you could override a virtual/real-life land ban like that is by having your entire real life, your character, your actions, your potential actions, scrutinized by thousands of strangers on the Internet, in the “reputation system” and hope that it will be swayed “by public opinion”. It’s a foretaste of just how awful the Metaverse will be, run like this, without the rule of law.
34. 

    Prokofy Neva
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    >Enablers and excuse makers, the lot of you. It’s noted that not one of you apologists has taken ten seconds to say, “Hey Prok, that fat cow stuff and making a cross with your fingers was a bit over the top”. Not one. Deliberately ignoring it or just that blindered? You pick.

    Guess what, champ, you’re tuning in merely at the latest episode, and only tendentiously and selectively. These are the things I do and say when I’ve been harassed, stalked, bludgeoned with mocking avatars, banned from SLCC and ridiculed. Sure as HELL do. You try it and see what YOU do, big stuff. Seriously, you have NO FUCKING CLUE how these people are. Go page through SC, and see how they are. Page through two years of the official LL forums. I’m proud that I took these people on. Many people have thanked me for it. They’ve ridiculed and bullied generations of SL users.

    I don’t think that RL and SL are somehow separate or that there’s some firewall between them — hell, no. That’s why I take it seriously when people do really horrific stuff like *take my real life picture* and deface it, in all kinds of hideous ways, and constantly dredge up my RL information and use it to mock and ridicule me. Why? Because I challenged their status in Second Life and criticized their ideas. Go back and read the history. You’re mighty selective in your attention.
35. 

    Prokofy Neva
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    >Joshua Nightshade recieved a photo of Prokofy’s door from *someone else inside SL*.

    Um, that’s his COVER STORY. And we don’t buy it. Why? Because it’s all part of his manipulative fucked-up shit. Somebody who is ALREADY stalking you and being an ass, and finds out (allegedly) that somebody ELSE is allegedly stalking you and supposedly is now “turning over a new leaf” doesn’t take that information and *use it to stalk you some more*. Der?

    I mean, seriously, you aren’t very bright, Io, and you are one of the legion of sycophants of the more sick “leaders” of SC and constantly take their side. I think that either this “other person” is either an alt made by Joshua to perpetrate this hoax, or possibly could be some friend who really was a day old, but what he did *next* was use it to grief. He sent it to Cocoanut *with the request to send it to me*. All of a sudden Good Citizen Nightshade is on stalker patrol??? Please. You don’t realize the patterns of these people as you never are victimized by them.

    >This person then asked Josh for further personal information about Prokofy, assuming that Josh, given how he has been described by Prokofy here, would comply. Instead Josh sought to warn Prokofy of this person, who was a potential threat.

    That’s bullshit. Joshua Nightshade is not a good Samaritan. He’s a bad actor. whether or not this “fictitious other person” who was a days-old alt exists or is Joshua’s alt isn’t at issue; he chose to get involved in this, and then circulate it. He sent it to Cocoanut and to me, and then became part of the overall chorus of people trying to intimidate me in SL and force me into silence by sending me my RL information. It’s pretty sick. I’ve got lots worse examples. I’m afraid that Joshua, who up to that point was doing stuff like claiming he had “sightings” of me and claiming that he even “said hi” to me and claimed to everybody he lived “just a few blocks away from me” (?) and all the rest, is HARDLY CREDIBLE when he suddenly says, gosh, I think I’ll STOP being a dick now and go and warn Prok that somebody ELSE is now stalking him! Wow! that’s like SO believable!!!!

    >Given Prok’s hatred of Joshua, he went to her friend, Cocoa, and asked her to pass on this info, leaving him out of the story, because he knew what Prok would do.

    Uh, no. That’s not the story. The story is that I have Joshua quite properly on mute. And being unable to perpetrate his harassment and further stalking and intimidation, he sent it to Cocoanut with the request to pass it on. Sick.

    >Change the story to “Josh is stalking me”, not “Josh is trying to warn me of a real stalker”.

    You’re pretty ignorant of the profiles of Internet histrionics and stalkers. Those in this business recognize all the signs.

    >But instead Cocoa did exactly that, passing on the photo of the door with Josh’s name involved. Now Prok is claiming that, instead of the attempt to help her, that Josh was trying to threaten her.

    It’s not that I’m “trying to claim now”. It’s that *from the very beginning* I could see through this ruse. If Joshua really was suddenly reformed, he would merely report it to the Lindens and leave it alone. There’d be no need to go to Cocoanut and also further harass me with it — it only has the effect of harassing someone MORE if you send them a picture of the door.

    Interesting that this original account, with a picture of my door, didn’t send it to me himself, eh? You do have to ask about that. People in SL who harass with RL stuff love to go and gather up pictures and force them on you, clues from your RL and force them on you — it’s a whole evil sport.

    I do hope the true dimensions of this incident are visible now.

    >I just wanted to clear that up for anyone reading this.

    No, you don’t get to do anything of the kind. It’s just YOUR spin. It’s just YOUR take as a booster, cheerleader, and enabler on SC. But I see it differently, as do others.

    Joshua doesn’t suddenly reform and become “good”. Over and over again, he thinks up capers involving prominent people in SL. He takes a run at them. Then after a clash and getting his name attached to them (Mulch or Anshe or whomever), he then tries to make friends with them or do a favour. It’s a pattern. I’ve merely been dragged into it.

    >I’m sure Cocoa can speak for herself, since she alone knows exactly what happened. Interesting that she has gone silent all of a sudden, eh?

    She isn’t silent whatsoever, but probably just at work or something. She knows exactly the story as she got the card, and she told me that he said he couldn’t send it to me as I had him (rightfully) on mute.
36. 

    Joshua Nightshade
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    I’ve always been good babycakes; you just don’t get it.

    But feel free to keep lying about it, since that’s all you’re good for.
37. 

    Cristiano Midnight
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    It amazes me how much mileage Prokofy can get out of a blatant lie. It didn’t take her long to wrap her ample self in the flag of harassed blogger Cathy Sierra. The main difference is, that while the lovely, no abrasive Ms. Sierra has received legitimate death threats and threats of sexual violence, the turgid Ms. Neva is perpetuating a lie in claiming Joshua Nightshade sent a picture to her of her front door. It is laughable how far she can try to take this lie and spin this into victimization.

    Here is what actually happened:

    A user named Griefer Acronym contacted Joshua Nightshade claiming to be the person who had supplied Plastic Duck with Prokofy’s home number. He sent Joshua a link to a supposed picture of Prokofy’s front door, and asked if Joshua had additional information on her since he lived by her and was no fan of the wretched beast. Joshua refused to help him, and instead abuse reported the incident (this can be confirmed with Linden Lab). Griefer Acronym’s account was banned. Joshua contacted Cocoanut Koala and sent her the chat log and the link to the photo to let her know this was going on, since she is friends with Prokofy. He asked her not to say where it came from because he knew Prokofy would blow a gasket and blame him, and Cocoanut agreed, but did not honor her word.

    Now you have Prokofy claiming that Joshua sent the link to her directly, and that he is the source of the photo. God knows what future incarnations of the story will claim. Prokofy is a psychopathic liar who truly believes she is out there trying to fight the forces of evil. Her complete lack of ability to discern RL from SL and real people from the dragons in her mind is quite scary. Her attempts to defame Joshua, Aimee and others and not only harm their reputations, but actively seek to harm their businesses, is a direct threat against them. No one is going after Prokofy’s rental business, but she has no qualms about trying to harm others. This whole banning thing was all smoke and mirrors. This is exactly the type of thing she loves – she is not happy unless she has caused complete and utter chaos, and she will do whatever she needs to in order to perpetuate it.
38. 

    Joshua Nightshade
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    Wow, Coco, I’m pretty freaking shocked that you would backtrack on this. It was annoying enough that you didn’t uphold what I asked and now I’m dealing with this crap, but that you would pretend I never asked you to leave me out of it in the first place— that really, really upsets me.

    This is the chatlog of our conversation about this, from the morning January 25th. I was at work at the time so this is pieced together from the offline emails:

    ——

    Hey Coco, I got an IM from someone who sent me a link to a picture of Prokofy’s door. I reported the guy and it looks like he’s banned, but I thought Prokofy should know about it. Would you mind letting her know? She has me muted I think and anyway if I try to tell her this she’s going to say I was trying to scare her.

    [here is where I sent the link to the photo and the chatlog from the alt]

    [10:15] Cocoanut Koala: Thank you, Josh, I will send this on to Prok.
    [10:16] Cocoanut Koala: P.S. What was the alt’s name?

    It was just made yesterday. Isn’t on search anymore. Griefer Acronym

    [10:19] Cocoanut Koala: thanks
    [10:20] Cocoanut Koala: too bad I didn’t see his front door when I was in NYC

    I’ve never wanted to confirm 100% that we live near each other, but the person said that was her house. I was more unnerved that someone took the time to do that.

    ——

    It’s pretty clear that I asked you not to say anything about me and you failed. Thanks a whole lot.
39. 

    Artemis Fate
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    >”Don’t worry, Prok. The lesson’s been learned.”

    >”Um, that’s his COVER STORY. And we don’t buy it. Why? Because it’s all part of his manipulative fucked-up shit. Somebody who is ALREADY stalking you and being an ass, and finds out (allegedly) that somebody ELSE is allegedly stalking you and supposedly is now “turning over a new leaf” doesn’t take that information and *use it to stalk you some more*. Der?”

    Pretty much everyone has to learn their lesson here this way Joshua, People (even opponents of Prokofy) initially treat him like a sane rational person, which is a big mistake. So coming out and warning him about something like this, and suddenly you’re not only a part of a conspiracy, you’re the core of it. I remember this “defacing my RL picture!” business he’s talking about, was done with a big prim head by the W-hats, I figured i’d be nice, and inform Prokofy about this, first I told him to come down with a TP, he wouldn’t, so I sent pictures. Suddenly, i’m a “secret member of W-hat” and am accused with helping build it. Prokofy isn’t sane, and, “keep your psychological evaluations to yourself” aside, I don’t need to be a psychologist to recognize a mental illness after years of hearing Prok screeching over anywhere that let him.

    It’s interesting to see lies, half-truths, libel, and slander integrate into Prokofy’s version of reality, as shown here: “These are the things I do and say when I’ve been harassed, stalked, bludgeoned with mocking avatars, banned from SLCC and ridiculed.” Despite the notable fact that she ISNT banned from SLCC. At best, she was subject to the unofficial opinions of two SLCC members, though i’ve yet to see the thread where they claim to say she’s banned. But what do you want to bet that from here on out, this will be continually perpetrated as a truth, sympathetically screamed between insults to lure those who don’t know the reality of the matter to her side, right beside the “Joshua is stalking me!” lie and “Plastic Duck raped my children!” lie.

    I couldn’t agree with Mark and Harlequin more.

    >”Moreover, I would never have agreed to doing it that way. I could not have done it that way – I simply could not have shown Prok this picture and not say who it came from. Can you imagine me ever doing that? “Here – it’s a picture of a front door, but I can’t tell you where it came from.”"

    Sure, why not. Prokofy would understand, god knows he’s done it in atleast one article perpetrating a VICIOUS attack on Electric Sheep Company, stating they commissioned the copybot, without saying where he heard this, or for that matter when it was completely refuted with evidence, completely denying the truth of it. But then, if Prok is anything, it’s a hypocrite, and while it may be okay for him to do something like that, he certainly seems to think that allowance ends at his borders. So I can understand why you might be afraid of that.
40. 

    Prokofy Neva
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    >Sit down at a table with your sworn enemy over a beer or two and everything changes.

    No, Onder, because this isn’t a game. This isn’t a BBS. It isn’t a forums. These are kids behaving badly, spoiled pets of the Lindens, even apologizing for people in W-hat that actually cause damages in US dollars.

    I’m sorry, but I don’t sit down and break bread like that with such bad actors, with people who behave in such bad faith.

    I tried to do that somewhat at SLCC 1 where I actually spent a rather painful evening with some folks who hated me, and trust me, it’s not worth it for either side.

    The idea that you are supposed to “play a game” then “go have a beer” is very ingrained in the MMORPG set. But why? I don’t *have* to get along with people. We don’t *have* to be in a “community”. We don’t all have to conform to some Kumbayah culture. In fact, to the extent that we can walk around each other and share the same space but NOT impact on each others’ cultures is a GOOD thing, and that’s why I’m for expanding people’s minds about this.
41. 

    Harlequin Salome
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    Oh, for heaven’s sake, that wasn’t a shot at your transgendered nature…
    ‘specially since I wasn’t really clear thats what you were. It was a reference to the side show analogy. Not that I’d expect yo to believe it… after all, it must have been the worst possible form of attack, not you jumping to conclusions to play the victim. Thats not what you’d ever do, after all.
    Given that many of my good friends in the AN are transgendered, and a few RL ones actually *are*, to the point of being post-ops, the implication that I was making an insult based on that is rather laughable. THough then again, you know nothing about me personally, not that that has ever stopped you before, dear.

    As for your words about the build in Tethys, and your words about the AN in general, frankly prok, I couldn’t care less, other than to laugh. *chuckles and shrugs*
    I have no “axe to grind” due to your words about me, I frankly just find you to be a most repulsive form of troll, and an overall unpleasant individual. I wouldn’t care if you sung the AN’s praises, I’d still think you were an obnoxious attention whore, screaming loudly so you matter. I’m pondering just letting this manner drop, since I’m simply feeding your sick need for attention of any sort. *shrugs*
    We all are, really. We’re playing into whatever hole it is in your rather twisted psyche that needs to be payed attention to, whatever bleak part of you that feels that being an assaulting maniac, attacking all around you, will somehow give you what you crave.

    But hey, whatever floats your boat, right? Just stop acting amazed when people hit back, because despite what you may think, we too have the right to, as you put it, “fight back”. Most of us fight back against the seething, unbalanced hatred we see you spew at anyone and everyone that is important or successful, anyone that has influence on SL. To you, if a person can influence SL they’re part of some great FIC and an enemy of the state of Prok. You’re the lowest form of attacker, one who assaults those who have made it. I dunno, maybe you’re jealous, but it really has stripped you of any real power and has turned you into a caricature, a puppet in a show, dancing and screaming, much to the amusement and embaressment of others.
42. 

    Prokofy Neva
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    >To you, if a person can influence SL they’re part of some great FIC and an enemy of the state of Prok. You’re the lowest form of attacker, one who assaults those who have made it. I dunno, maybe you’re jealous, but it really has stripped you of any real power and has turned you into a caricature, a puppet in a show, dancing and screaming, much to the amusement and embaressment of others.

    I’m for restraining those who influence SL for their own interests when they impact on others. Like those who build big-ass builds over Linden land, putting a bridge over Linden land, and blocking access to a Linden-made tube falls. Hmm? See what I mean? I’m not for FIC eminent domain. I’m for people having accountability for what they do, when it impacts others so heavily, even damaging them.

    Your remarks about transgender are so stupid I won’t dignify them with replies.

    There’s always this meme that I’m wildly lashing out “at everybody” and that I’m “jealous” and that I “rant against those who succeed”.

    No, I’m actually just a normal voice of the public. The kind of people there will be many more of, and sooner rather than later. The kind of people who want accountability from those in power. I’m not “jealous” of somebody doing something successful; if anything, I’m disappointed when mediocrities and low-lifes get to power and occupy the spot that others more qualified could be occupying. I don’t “criticize everybody” I criticize those few in power who impact others and even harm them.

    This is a hugely normal function in a democratic society. It’s shocking I don’t have more company in this venture. When you do get professional writers and critics who should be functioning in this way, like Warren Ellis, all these criticize are the public itself, which they imagine to be philistine. He’ll slam blingtards and socializing McMansion dwellers and SUV drivers and hate America before he’ll life one eyebrow over anything the Lindens do.
43. 

    Nacon
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    I’m starting to wonder how old is Prok’s daughter… Prok is around 50 years old. Most mothers pop their babies out around their 20′s. Wouldn’t that make her Daughter around 30 years old by now?

    I can’t imagine seeing how ego-griefer, Plastic Duck, would able to rape her daughter virtually on SL. If it was in RL, I’m sure there was some lawsuit case going on? But… if it was in SL… wtf? I’m sure her own daughter is old enough to know better… unless she never existed?

    It’s just another dust-bunnies rolling around here.

    Either way, still not going to SLCC due to the fact that crazy people still can gather up and throw pink dildos as part of griefing jokes. I’m sure that’s worst than being griefed virtually with pink penises on SL. Fuck that.
44. 

    Mark
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    __Guess what, champ, you’re tuning in merely at the latest episode, and only tendentiously and selectively.__

    Where did I say the shit was being slung in only one direction?

    I simpy noted that your apologists never acknowledge the crass and childish spew that you emit, only that of your “enemies”. They also turn a blind eye to your internet psychologist tactics while chiding others for it.

    Could they at least ATTEMPT to hide their bias?

    Sigh.

    __I don’t think that RL and SL are somehow separate or that there’s some firewall between them — hell, no.__

    Again, read my post, I was responding to something someone else said, not you. Hint – I quoted that person.

    I KNEW you didn’t, so it’s a moot point. On this artificial construct Wall of China some people like to erect between RL and online, we agree. I am simply pointing out that it’s a tactic used to trivialize things done on line, as if they don’t count in RL. They do, just as much as that video poker machine at The Stardust does when It takes or gives money to me.

    Lastly, no one’s hands are clean here. Grow up and start acting like your numerical ages or face the distinct possibility that you (plural) may drum yourselves right out of being taken seriously by anyone. Both sides of yas.

    How many more years are you all going to sit around and fling shit at each other?
45. 

    Jennifer McLuhan
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    “Most of us fight back against the seething, unbalanced hatred we see you spew at anyone and everyone that is important or successful, anyone that has influence on SL. To you, if a person can influence SL they’re part of some great FIC and an enemy of the state of Prok. You’re the lowest form of attacker, one who assaults those who have made it. I dunno, maybe you’re jealous, but it really has stripped you of any real power and has turned you into a caricature, a puppet in a show, dancing and screaming, much to the amusement and embarrassment of others.”

    Harlequin, I wish I could write that well. You have succinctly managed to say what I have felt. However, I am not good at attacking people or, I guess, fighting back. Thanks for saying what I couldn’t.

    Pork, if Jesus Christ, himself, came back and told you something, you would figure out a way to say he was lying. Enjoy your notoriety. Sadly, I think it is all you have.

    Jen
46. 

    Prokofy Neva
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    >Since Prok updated while I was responding, a few factual corrections to Prok:

    Gosh, is Uri ever right about “the story comes out in the comments”. Now the Story of SLCC Never Told comes out in the tabs. I have to love it.

    >”I attended in 2005, and there was no discussion of any ban — this is made-up, after-the-fact stuff.”
    Actually, we did consider banning you. It was a short-lived discussion.

    Um, then it doesn’t count, sword-boy. No sale!

    >Aimee doesn’t control Joshua, as you imply. Joshua seems to have taken up a “Aimee vindicator” position. I’ve talked with Aimee a number of times and she has asserted that she’s content to not speak your name. If Aimee truly had control over Joshua, he would have stopped talking about you too.

    No, that’s not the case, and you aren’t au courant. Read the threads in SC. Aimee continuously props up these people. She’s constantly present, constantly joking with them, and constantly ducking when it comes time to condemn them. She’s taking up this wierd mantra of his that I’m “guilty of death threats” because it suits her. She therefore feeds and abets him, legitimizing what everybody else months ago had already rolled their eyes over — read the threads. She’s given the entire sordid thing a second life, so to speak, by endorsing it now.

    >At the same time, you continually refer to Aimee as some kind of ringleader, and you group any supposed counter-attacks on Joshua with attacks on Aimee. That’s probably why Aimee has stated that she feels you stalk her. *shrugs* Aimee’s not a ringleader, trust me on this – and in the case of SLCC, specifically, she’s not even an organizer!

    She’s a ringleader, trust me on this. She’s an aider, abetter, endorser, and silent partner to much of what goes on there. She’s picked up the Joshua lament about me being “a death threatener”. You’re just not reading the text. God knows why you are carrying water for Aimee, but you just don’t see the role Aimee plays there — which she played on the old forums. And she had way more to do with my banning from the old forums than you did. And she knows it. Aimee is why Cocoanut left SC. She becomes absolutely impossible to deal with because she lies and manipulates and then seizes on some tiny, trivial literalism and harries you to death with it.

    >Aimee’s been on her own for nearly a year now. Anyone paying attention to the developer community knows this. This illustrates how out of touch you are with the truth about Aimee.

    No, Hiro, you must be out of touch. She may have her own company, but *that company* is *her* and THAT is what is hired by MOU and others. She did the cafe in the NBC build. She did American Apparel. She did the Globe Theater with Reuben. Please. Don’t misstate the case here in your zeal to show yourself more plugged in. Everyone even in the non-developer community knows that Aimee gets in on the big builds. She’s on the NBC build, for example.

    >Do a search on SL Insider, or any of Aimee’s blogs. I don’t see you mentioned. Your perception doesn’t match the fact of the situation.

    Do the metrics on which SL blogs have the most hits and readership. And you’re forgetting that I was banned from SL Insider when Aimee *first* attacked me broadside in an ATROCIOUS article belittling and minimizing the fact that Plastic Duck called me at home and spoke to my child (!!!! shame on you, too, Hiro!!!!), THEN when I tried to tell the TRUTH about that attack on me and the related attack on Anshe, Akela couldn’t bear the clash of opinions and moved to shut me down. it’s pretty awful stuff. I’m attacked broadside by the widest-read publication, and I can’t defend myself, and people go on printing tripe. Even Caliandris protested.

    People can’t bear to hear the truth. It’s very hard for them to hear.

    >This sounds very similar to peoples’ complaints about you.

    *Shrugs*. I don’t go around posting people’s RL pictures on forums. I don’t send pictures of their RL person from the press or stalking to them. I don’t take pictures of their door. I don’t call them at home. I don’t talk to their children. I don’t discuss their real life activities endlessly. I don’t mock them endlessly for their physical appearance. I don’t put up ugly pictures or tell them to show their tits. No, Hiro, you got it ALL wrong. Take a good long look at this community. And don’t blame the mirror if it has a crooked face.

    >”The SLCC is a travesty.”
    LOL! You work at the UN. You should know better. Darfur is a travesty. Enron is a travesty. The state of freedom of speech in Russia is a travesty. Some minor bickering about whether or not to let one person come to a convention is hardly a travesty. You diminish the word in your use of it.

    No, it’s fine to call it a travesty. Don’t be silly. Darfur is hard to do anything practical about to fix. But you can fix the nastiness to your neighbour that SLCC represents. There will never be an end to the Darfurs of the world until people stop their tribalism. SLCC is about the same kind of tribalism that is a factor in the real-life disasters and tragedies like Darfur. It’s the same dynamic, the same demonizing, the same shunning, the same hatred, the same violence — even if it is “only a game” and a trinket-like form of the powerful forces in real life that of course are a million times more horrible. The dynamics are the same, even if the stakes are very different, real life versus synthetic life. The *dynamics are the same*. If you can’t fix the shunning and hatred and hysteria in your midst in a game, why do you think you are fit to attempt to fix something like Darfur?!
    “Flipper and Jennyfur schnorred there way into it.”
    No, Jerry and I invited Flipper, because Flipper had organized get-togethers before. Flipper mentioned that Jenn had convention-running experience, and we invited her.
47. 

    Prokofy Neva
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    >Despite the notable fact that she ISNT banned from SLCC. At best, she was subject to the unofficial opinions of two SLCC members, though i’ve yet to see the thread where they claim to say she’s banned

    Go read SC better, princess. Months ago, they bragged that they had banned me, and Flipper confirmed it as recently as last week.

    >Prokofy would understand, god knows he’s done it in atleast one article perpetrating a VICIOUS attack on Electric Sheep Company, stating they commissioned the copybot, without saying where he heard this, or for that matter when it was completely refuted with evidence, completely denying the truth of it

    Your reading comprehension suffers mightily. Go back and read the article, the comments underneath it, and my two-part series in my own blog where I discuss this at length. The sources, the provenance, the sequence have all been copiously exposed, discussed, parsed, and counterarguments given. You just missed the memo, I guess.

    There isn’t any “complete refuting with evidence”. The ONLY thing I can say unequivocally is that the Sheep did not have an apparels client. Full stop. That’s all that I can say. That was corrected. The entire issue of what they knew, when they knew it, and what they intended to do visa a visa the entire library of libsl goods all remain OPEN ISSUES for me, as I’ve copiously written about all over. If you missed these articles, well, google them. You’re lame.
48. 

    Joshua Nightshade
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    I’m glad everyone else picked up on the sudden reference to her being banned that worked its way in.

    Why? Because Prokofy -wants- it. Now there’s this ridiculous business about her being banned months ago. How convenient!

    When push comes to shove, she’ll make stuff up. You’re so insane.
49. 

    Prokofy Neva
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    Here we go, the text of the notecard, which is created by Joshua, and titled “Something from Josh for Prok”:

    [10:13] Joshua Nightshade: (Saved Thu Jan 25 08:31:10 2007) Coco, I’m sending this to you, because if I send it to Prokofy she’ll scream at me for being a psycho griefer stalker. So please convey this to her yourself.
    [10:13] Joshua Nightshade: (Saved Thu Jan 25 08:31:32 2007) Yesterday an anonymous alt mapstalked me while I was working and sent me this link.
    [10:13] Joshua Nightshade: (Saved Thu Jan 25 08:31:32 2007)
    [there follows a tiny url of a picture of Prok's RL door with the address showing]
    [10:13] Joshua Nightshade: (Saved Thu Jan 25 08:32:28 2007) Presumably this is a photo of Prokofy’s front door. The alt was a day old, and wanted to know more information about Prokofy and Prokofy’s neighborhood etc. I told him to fuck off and to never contact me again, ever, and he disappeared. I AR’d the guy and contacted a Linden about it immediately and he doesn’t show up in search anymore.
    [10:13] Joshua Nightshade: (Saved Thu Jan 25 08:32:55 2007) Nevertheless I thought she should know about this. I’m not comfortable with what whomever this is was attempting to do. Thanks Coco.
    [10:15] Cocoanut Koala: Thank you, Josh, I will send this on to Prok.
    [10:15] Second Life: User not online – message will be stored and delivered later.
    [10:16] Cocoanut Koala: P.S. What was the alt’s name?
    [10:16] Second Life: User not online – message will be stored and delivered later.

    Could we identify the dozen fake things about this?

    I have people harass me with RL disclosure from W-hat constantly. And trust me, the Lindens don’t remove them from the list instantly by any stretch of the imagination.

    Curious that he couldn’t name that alt, eh? and Cocoanut asked her question into thin air.

    Curious that he could say, instantly, “That must be a photo of Prok’s door”. Now…how does he know this? Did anybody wonder about THAT?

    There was a very wierd little thing he did on the forums around my address that illustrated that he was playing a VERY manipulative game and he knows EXACTLY what it was.

    So now that you can see the text, the setting, and the wierdness of it, you can imagine how it is.

    Joshua is sick enough to make up a story like this, as part of his overall stalking and stalking-denial gambit.
50. 

    Io Zeno
    

    Apr 2nd, 2007
    

    You didn’t refute anything I said, Prokofy, except to call it a pack of lies, a cover story, that Josh is the Devil and out to get you. Tell me, why would he even go to Cocoa with this story if all he wanted to do is stalk you? Or threaten you? Why not just send it to you directly under an assumed name instead of having your good friend as a witness against him, giving her the photo himself?

    Then again, that is just the take of the rather stupid, cheerleader sycophant.

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