updated: We didn’t Want You to Know This, But Agitators Will Be Banned
by Alphaville Herald on 01/04/07 at 10:37 pm
Op/Ed by Urizenus Sklar
Most people in the Second Life infosphere have heard that SL agitator and SL Herald contributor Prokofy Neva has been banned from the Second Life Community Convention in Chicago. The exchanges between Prok and the FIC have been pretty off the hook (on both sides), so we can understand why some people don’t want her there, but the step from not wanting to banning is a very unsettling step for what advertises itself as a “community convention.” The justification being offered does nothing to make the decision less troubling. In a post to Second Citizen, our friend FlipperPA Peregrine first says that the organizers didn’t intend to make Prok’s banning public, and then offers up a justification that establishes a dangerous precedent that really needs to be rethought.
The SLCC attorney, who’s legal opinion I respect much more than anyone (he’s with Buchanan Ingersoll), said it would be wise to avoid any situation in which such an agitator, who loves to push peoples’ buttons, is allowed in a room with those she agitates, especially since conventions such as these include alcohol.[emphasis mine]
The idea that the banning would be secret is troubling enough, but the notion that it is unwise to have an agitator in a space where the agitated are present is in effect a prescription for insulating people from anyone who provokes them. The subtext seems to be that the real concern is that with alchohol being served there is some danger this agitator could be harmed by the other participants. That isn’t grounds for banning the agitator, it is grounds for either not serving alchohol or hiring adequate security to keep thin skinned drunks from harming Prokofy.
Beyond the precedent, it seems absurd to me that the Second Life Community Convention cannot tolerate the presence of a 50 year old woman who works for the United Nations and just last weekend was a speaker at Columbia University.
I call on Flip and the other organizers to think carefully about the precedent being established, and also about the broader philosophical implications of the decision. As it stands, the decision and justification appears positively Orwellian.
update: A statement from SLCC’s Randy Moss says that no one will be banned: http://slcc2007.wordpress.com/2007/04/02/registration-will-be-open-to-all/
(Flip’s statement is below the fold.)
As I’ve pointed out several times before:(1) It wasn’t our intention to make this public. Chances are, she would have boycotted again, and if she had registered, we would have tried to handle it quietly, politely declining her registration.
(2) Last year, our biggest day of registration was the day after she announced her boycott, with many registrants remarking that they would now attend since Prokofy would not be present. She really does intimidate a lot of people; not everyone can easily shrug her off.
(3) The SLCC attorney, who’s legal opinion I respect much more than anyone (he’s with Buchanan Ingersoll), said it would be wise to avoid any situation in which such an agitator, who loves to push peoples’ buttons, is allowed in a room with those she agitates, especially since conventions such as these include alcohol.
(4) Verbally assaulting Kendra at SLCC1, while Kendra was minding her own business eating lunch, is what I would consider absolutely impolite and unacceptable behavior. While the cross against Aimee and I was really funny – I kept laughing – verbally assaulting people in RL like she does in virtual spaces is NOT acceptable.
Prok’s been trying to tone down and mainstream her image lately, which I applaud. One day, hopefully, her behavior will be actually socially acceptable (just look how few blog entries she’s made lately). That still doesn’t forgive the years she’s spent trying to harm people by being a lying curmudgeon.
Regards,
-Flip
Inquiring Minds
Apr 4th, 2007
Joshua,
Apparently you didn’t see this when I posted it above.
What is the name of the Linden you contacted via Live Help after you were sent the photo of Prok’s door?
Calderan Gregoire
Apr 4th, 2007
“I didn’t put cut-off bloody furry heads on people’s lawns.”
Wow, this sounds like entertainment. Anyone have any screenshots?
Mark
Apr 4th, 2007
__Some of us have had this sort of loss many times in life, and in such ways that make the loss of an anonymous online friend in a virtual world a total triviality.__
So much for your claim to me above that you don’t have a firewall between online and offline.
You’re sick.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 4th, 2007
>You’re not a dissident, you’re a crazy person.
And you are…?
>You rarely say anything that challenges any sort of power structure (even fictional ones), SLCC is not a public thing, they have in full right the ability to ban you, they didn’t.
I do? They did? They don’t? And you are…?
>And if they did, they’d have EVERY reason to. You verbally assaulted multiple people at the last SLCC, and i’m sure if you were to go to this one, and do it again, i’d hope they ban you next time.
That’s my job. It should be more people’s job.
>I can’t believe that you are so absorbed in your fantasies, that you can’t even recognize that Jennyfur is not mentioning Feliciaa’s death as some kind of tinfoil distraction measure, but that she just MAYBE might actually be in grief, and MAYBE, just MAYBE one thing in Second Life done by a so called “FIC” might NOT be about you, or some conspiracy to get you or stop you?
Oh, I find that completely fake. If you are really grieving for a real friend, you seriously don’t have time to come running back to some squabble on some forum and declare that you’ve now pwned the thread. Seriously, you don’t. So that’s as phony as the day is long.
And only in literalist tekkie IRC channelling minds can the levels and scale and magnitude of things like “Prok’s banning” and “Jennyfur’s friend dying” and “Darfur” be somehow put in some fake moral or political equivalence — and only in those mediocre 2-d minds can the dynamics of them that make them similar, and the ways in which bannings are like the impulses of a Darfur be utterly lost on the asshole literalist.
>I think anyone who has seen you ranting about how the issue of you (kinda-sorta-not-really) getting banned is more important than someone’s grief or death, or for that matter, the whole thing of Darfur, which you so laughably related to this issue, as if they were anything alike, would know right off the bat that you’re not right in the head, and that you are overly obsessed with this issue (which I might add, isn’t even an issue, becuase you’re NOT banned).
And you are…? What? Right in the head? Because you think I say absurd things like that? What’s *wrong* with you Artemis? Have you gone off the cliff, truly?
I never wrote anything about my banning from a virtual world being *the same thing as Darfur* or “my banning is more important than a RL person’s death. If you have no mental faculty and ability to reason by analogy, to ponder the springs and dynamics of things, then there’s no possible conversation with you, you’re just too stupid and literal and as dumb as a post. The things that make people ban, their fears, their insecurities, their hatreds, their conformisms, etc. are the same dynamics in a virtual world as they are in RL that create real-life awful things on a much larger scale. And the death of this real person is brought up because Jennyfur tried to cover her tracks by invoking it. Pretty awful stuff, if you ask me.
There’s no “kinda sorta” about it. I never got around to blogging it, but they know full well they announced it ages ago. It’s all there, what they haven’t scrubbed of it.
>But as I mentioned before, you spout so many lies, attack people who’ve done nothing, and are so hatefully false, that it’s hard for people not to ignore you.
No, I’ve singled out a handful of people who try to lord it over others for rightful and legitimate attack, and they hysterically imagine themselves to be “everybody”.
>I would hope, that we are able to do what should be done with a person as self-absorbed and crazy as yourself: leave them to rant and rave alone until they can finally realize that “wow, I might just be obsessed and may be crazy to think what I do”, but. You never will. Not even after comparing a death, not even comparing DARFUR, to this tiny little banning that never was that you went through.
The dynamics are the same. When you can realize that, you will grow up and stop being the raving asshole that you are, much of the time.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 4th, 2007
>What is the name of the Linden you contacted via Live Help after you were sent the photo of Prok’s door?
Good eye!
luth
Apr 5th, 2007
Can’t you people grow up already? This has been going on for years. *If* Prok only spouted lies, like the agressive FICtards claim, then why get so bothered by it? Why then spend so much of your time publically trashing him? And then go further by blacklisting any person who stands up for or agrees with him? If there was never a hint of truth in what he says, you wouldn’t be so agressive towards him. Your actions give more validity to the opinions then his words ever could.
There are no victims here at all. Everyone knows that if you speak publically against the group think, you will get burned. Prok made that decision for himself. He kept on making that decision after the extreme social persecution. Whatever his reasons are, it really doesn’t matter.
This for us or against us attitude makes me sick. We are all supposed to be adults here. I’ve seen children far more capable of having discussions than most of the people in this mess. Constantly attempting to invalidate an opinion based on past experiences is hatemongering plain and simple, no matter which side of the fence you are flinging the poo from.
Inquiring Minds
Apr 5th, 2007
Prok,
Have you ever been given the name of the Linden the Josh claims to have reported the photo to? Did LL ever confirm to you that Josh had spoken to that Linden and/or put in an abuse report?
How about copies of the emails (with headers) Josh got in response to his abuse report about it? Did he ever provide them to you?
Josh,
I’m addressing this to Prok because you didn’t answer my questions above. Please respond if you see this.
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 5th, 2007
Inquiring:
I didn’t see what you had written previously because I stopped reading the thread when Prokofy started claiming that someone dying wasn’t important because a lot of people didn’t know her. I was alerted to your questions and I’m responding to them here before forgetting this site exists.
I have offered both Prokofy and Coco whatever evidence they wanted to verify the story. Coco said she didn’t need any, and Prokofy says anything I say is a lie; much like she went at length about how I was really Nolan Nash, and any evidence I could provide to tell her I wasn’t was just a clever trick to capture her telephone number, email address, hair color and height, Prokofy isn’t -interested- in any evidence, any proof or any fact that she’s wrong about her assertion. That’s it, plain and simple. I’ve offered her whatever she wanted, she rejected it outright. So be it.
I was reticent to say this earlier, lest she go on an attack about it as well, but the Linden I contacted was one that I am friendly with, which is likely what helped to expedite the situation faster than it would’ve gone otherwise. However, LL policy prevents them from commenting on disciplinary action, so I don’t think they’re in a position to confirm or deny anything, unfortunately. If Prokofy wants to post something about her alleged AR on me for passing around her door, then by all means she can. I doubt very much she filed one at all; she loves the attention, and she’s willing to make whatever lies necessary to maintain that. Case in point, I never took the photo into my inventory at all. All it ever was was a link from tinyurl, and I never downloaded or saved the picture at all. She makes so much stuff up, it’s astonishing.
Now I don’t intend to come back to this trainwreck after Prokofy’s again managed to offend me with her nonsense about qualifying death verses what happens to her in a video game. If you have any other questions you’re welcome to contact me in world.
Artemis Fate
Apr 5th, 2007
Prokofy, I expected more out of you then a childish “I know you are but what am I!?” response to that. But it really shows that even with your twisted mind, you can’t refute the statements.
>>”Can’t you people grow up already? This has been going on for years. *If* Prok only spouted lies, like the agressive FICtards claim, then why get so bothered by it? Why then spend so much of your time publically trashing him? And then go further by blacklisting any person who stands up for or agrees with him? If there was never a hint of truth in what he says, you wouldn’t be so agressive towards him. Your actions give more validity to the opinions then his words ever could.”
Ah so people never argue against lies unless there’s truth in it. Guess all the people who trash and argue with holocaust deniers do it because they know that the holocaust never happened! Great logic, champ.
Nobody who “stands up for or agrees with prokofy” was banned, not even prokofy was banned (though he will lie his ass off trying to say he was), and if Prokofy was banned, they’d have every right to do it with how he acted at the last SLCC, verbally attacking people and ADMITTING right in that last thread, that he would and wants to do it again:
>>Artemis: You verbally assaulted multiple people at the last SLCC, and i’m sure if you were to go to this one, and do it again, i’d hope they ban you next time.”
>>Prokofy: “That’s my job. It should be more people’s job.”
The thing about this is that I’ll bet a good 10L$ that if Prokofy were the sole runner of a con, that all of the so called “FIC” (in other words, everyone who disagrees with Prokofy) would almost certainly be banned.
Prokofy doesn’t give a shit about freedom of Expression, he gives a shit about HIS freedom to spout lies at all who disagree with him.
Cocoanut Koala
Apr 5th, 2007
Josh, it just blindsides me the way you keep tossing me into these scenarios.
I certainly do not recall saying “I don’t need any,” to any evidence you have offered. I haven’t asked you to verify any story, except the horrid story that I acted dishonorably, when I did not, and WOULD not, and that one has been put to bed now.
You keep describing someone I don’t know and saying it is me, and attributing to me the saying and doing of things that I did not say or do. So stop it.
coco
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 5th, 2007
“I haven’t asked you to verify any story”
Exactly. And Prokofy rejected any verification at all.
I’m besides myself with you, Coco. I’m staring at the email conversation between you and I which encompassed the IMs I sent you, and it’s nothing like Prokofy’s notecard. Prokofy’s notecard, on the other hand, is near verbatim to quotes I expressed in SC about the situation.
I’m willing to concede to you that there’s the chance you never got my IM asking me to not be mentioned because I was writing to you by email and not in-world. I think that’s rather gracious on my part, so please stop pushing it.
I’m also willing to concede to you that Prokofy probably massaged you into thinking her version of the story was the real one and you went with it. I would rather believe you’re mistaken than actively lying. Again, please stop pushing it.
Cocoanut Koala
Apr 5th, 2007
Joshua, that notecard was created and sent by ME. I copied what you messaged me and sent it to Prok, and titled it “Something from Josh for Prok.”
It is the conversation as I remember it.
There is no such conversation on SC. I just searched for it, using keywords. Find me that conversation on SC you refer to.
That was the conversationbetween you and me, and I relayed it as asked.
Nobody massaged me into thinking anything. This is becoming brazen. I suggest that YOU be the one to drop it.
coco
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 5th, 2007
I’m staring at the emails, Coco. I know what was said.
Cocoanut Koala
Apr 5th, 2007
And I’ve already suggested to you that you are looking at some emails you didn’t send, rather than the ones you did.
Again – show me the post on SC that you think I have mixed up with the notecard I sent Prok.
coco
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 5th, 2007
http://forums.secondcitizen.com/showpost.php?p=196772&postcount=451
Cocoanut Koala
Apr 5th, 2007
I found that one. It’s not it. The two sentences I specifically remember are not there.
The notecard I passed to Prok is our conversation I copied and sent to him. Period. And nowhere in any of it is any promise to leave you out of anything.
And that is the end of this.
coco
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 5th, 2007
Then simply you didn’t get the messages I sent.
Obviously, given her reaction, you can clearly understand why I didn’t want to be mentioned. Because I foresaw her acting EXACTLY like this. If I had known you didn’t want to keep my identity a secret, I would’ve asked you to not tell her and dealt with it myself.
Cocoanut Koala
Apr 5th, 2007
It’s not that I didn’t “want” to keep your identity secret; I didn’t know you WANTED it kept secret! What part of that are you not getting?
coco
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 5th, 2007
That’s besides the point, Coco. I know I asked, you say you never saw me ask. A communication failure happened at some point. I wanted to not be named because I knew Prokofy would react the way she has. And now she’s woven this issue into the greater fabric of the “What the Bad People Have Done to Me” list.
Lecktor Hannibal
Apr 5th, 2007
Good stuff here. I know a certain typepad blog that has a longer ban list than the SLCC though. *whistles*
Prokofy Neva
Apr 5th, 2007
>Prok,
>Have you ever been given the name of the Linden the Josh claims to have reported the photo to? Did LL ever confirm to you that Josh had spoken to that Linden and/or put in an abuse report?
>How about copies of the emails (with headers) Josh got in response to his abuse report about it? Did he ever provide them to you?
Inquiring, your arguments would be far more effective if you posted your SL avatar’s name and didn’t hide behind a nick.
You know full well that Lindens never discuss disciplinary cases. They’d never tell me about whether or not Josh talked to them, or sent them something. They’d never do something like take his AR report and send me a copy. But let’s just say I have had a satisfactory interaction on this matter. And I know, and the Lindens know, and Josh knows there is no AR, no “other person” no nothing. It’s him. And if it *isn’t* him, his involvement in this is not as a Good Samaritan, but as a continuation of griefing by other means, using others. It’s sick. But rather than admit that and cease and desist this puerile behaviour, he’ll continue to do stuff like get Cristiano to whine that he saw the word “rapist” on my blog.
I’m completely not buying this fake story Joshua is now putting out that he asked to have his name witheld from this caper, and that Cocoanut has broken the mafia’s omerta by telling me it comes from Josh.
That’s just completely ridiculous. Of course she’s going to say it came from Josh; it did. Of course she’s not going to go along with some lame-ass mafia-like omerta. Hell, no. And in this case, there wasn’t even any such request, unless of course we’ll buy that old standby of “my messages capped” excuse.
It’s all part of distracting from the essence of this incident, which is that Josh passed a picture of my door to me to intimidate me. End of story. Nothing else about it is relevant. That’s the essence of the story.
And what I do in those instances, I don’t intimidate. I follow the proper procedures to notify the relevant authorities, and in world, AR it to the Lindens, and expose it. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Cocoanut sent me quotes on a notecard that are in the standard format of IM messages in SL. And it’s simply beyond reason to suggest that Cocoanut is going to massage those, or edit them, or mix them up with SC, or whatever the fake claim is.
Joshua just thinks if he keeps lying and tying up everybody in knots and trying to draw the attention to him all the time that people will believe it. Instead, they can at best feel petty and at worst feel scorn.
Gorean Furry
Apr 5th, 2007
Yer all crazy.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 5th, 2007
>Good stuff here. I know a certain typepad blog that has a longer ban list than the SLCC though. *whistles*
Yes, this is the tried-and-true bait-and-switch mode. Bait me with some provocative comment, and switch the focus from YOUR bad deeds to some purported, completely non-equivalent deed of mine.
So, hey, you whistling *asshole*. Please, let’s review the WHYS and WHEREFORES of MY typepad blog that has a ban list — after suffering two years of the most egregious forms of obscene harassment from SL asstards — and WHO IS ON IT, and on it for causing me RL or SL damages — people like Plastic Duck and Aimee Weber for reasons exhaustively explained on my blog having to do with objective RL and SL harm.
Why is Lecktor Hannibal banned from my blog? Lecktor Hannibal mounted a vicious and ugly flexiprim giant penis attack on Ravenglass Hall and the Sutherland Dam, and littered all the areas with penises and obscene objects, after joining the group (it’s on open for the convenience of tenants and visitors), making the prims set to the land, and driving out tenants, upsetting tenants who are strangers, who have nothing to do with any forums disputes, making them move out. This is RL and SL harm.
I’ve written extensively about the people who have caused me RL and SL harm, and why they are banned. At least I make announcements of bans openly; I stick to them; and I have valid and rational reasons for banning people from a blog, because they systematically and persistently cause me harm, either in RL or SL. It’s a rule that few blogs bother to figure out how to make, because they just ban people arbitrarily and subjectively, like SL Insider did to me.
So whistle away, asshole, everybody can see the kinds of things YOU do, and contrast and compare with someone who in fact exposes thugs like you, and always exposed you, back when you harassed people on the forums. They can contrast and compare that with my behaviour in world, which doesn’t involve penising people or causing them harm.
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 5th, 2007
Bullshit Prokofy.
Artemis Fate
Apr 5th, 2007
“because they systematically and persistently cause me harm, either in RL or SL.”
Do they scream at you while you’re eating lunch minding your own business, or make the sign of the cross and hiss at you sometimes? I heard some crazy lady did that, you should ban her too, i’d definitely consider that harrassment, stalking, and why not rape of children for good measure.
luth
Apr 5th, 2007
>>”Ah so people never argue against lies unless there’s truth in it. Guess all the people who trash and argue with holocaust deniers do it because they know that the holocaust never happened! Great logic, champ.”
Sorry champ, the world isn’t as black and white as that. In which part of my comment did I say never?
The problem is is that you don’t want to hear logic as reasoned debate is perceived to be on this side or that and attacked accordingly.
Godwin’s law: all flame wars sooner or later end with someone calling the other a nazi.
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 5th, 2007
Luth it’s not about being wrong or not.
Say you had a neighbor who constantly screamed at you while you were walking down the street that you were trying to run her out of the neighborhood and steal her newspaper. In the beginning you might be nice about it and just shrug and go about your business. Eventually you get tired of being accosted in the supermarket by this crazy ranting woman; what’s worse is you find out that she’s been telling people on the other side of the street the same story and you’re upset to find out that some of them believe her.
Just because people have decided to fight back against Prokofy after years of constant attacks doesn’t mean that there’s “truth” to what she says. It means that people are fucking tired of it. Wouldn’t you be too?
Prokofy hasn’t been banned (at all) and the suggestion didn’t come up because of what she says. No one ever has expressed an issue with the fact that Prokofy criticizes; they’re tired of the violent, angry and hateful way she attacks other people. The suggestion came about because the convention is supposed to be a place for people to get together, meet up, relax and have fun. It’s not a political sparring match, it’s not a debate forum, it’s not a platform for people who’ve expressed threats against others and expressed an intention to disrupt the event to have any airtime.
People really don’t take issue with the underlying message of what Prokofy says. It’s the disgusting and irrational way she says it. Prokofy has never, in the near-three years I’ve known her, been logical or reasoned.
And I know I said I was finished reading this but what can I say. Prokofy’s crack rubs off.
Inquiring Minds
Apr 5th, 2007
Oh, Josh, you danced around the question. WHO WAS THE LINDEN.
Inquiring Minds
Apr 5th, 2007
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JD
Apr 5th, 2007
Godwins law gets a workout here. Tenshi with her “hail hitler” crap, even called randy from the american cancer society the “gestapo”.
Of course I understand SL herald is the Jerry springer show of SL. The drama is fine. I just don’t hear about Aimee going to prok hissing “fucking shit” or cristiano talking about strangling prok. All I see is prok go on for days on end ranting and the herald cashing in.
Josh,I agree with everything you are saying. But you are being a tool. Respond to prok on your own blog or second citizen. Don’t drag traffic to this crappy blog.
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 5th, 2007
Eh, my blog has nothing to do with Prokofy and little to do with Second Life. As long as comments are open I wasn’t aware I really have to ask permission to post anything.
Inquiring:
Yes, I did dance around the question. Take the hint. Prokofy did.
JD
Apr 5th, 2007
Naw dude don’t be like that. I’m not tellin you what to do man.
All I’m sayin is you got prok who is all like “yar I am fightin evil” while she is talkin shit to you. Meanwhile her man uri is all “chiching” every time you post. Then you got tenshi over there who is like “where Aimee at? I need Aimee!”
Do whatever you want, I’m just sayin you happen to be doing exactly what the prokites want.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 5th, 2007
One of the manipulative machinations that Joshua pretends to perform is that he is “bothered” and “stalked” by this “crazy old lady” who “makes death threats” and “is nuts” as if he is some mature, normal person sharing a laugh with his pals who are all urbane and sophisticated. Except…he’s a psychopath, who isn’t normal, and he’s the one doing the stalking, and they aren’t urbane and sophisticated, but thin-skinned provincials with an inferiority complex.
Because I don’t stalk him. I’ve never contacted him in RL or SL as far as I recall. I don’t follow him around. Unless he attacks me on a blog somewhere, I don’t respond. I didn’t take a bust of his head, made from his RL picture, and have it doubled and tongue-kissing itself, for example. I didn’t keep harassing his every post, unless it was an attack on me — then I fought back.
One of the fake mantras he’s mouthing now is that I’ve somehow been in this jihad of attacks, when what I’ve done is merely written a few very key, very pointed, very sharp attacks on the Toxic Twenty, the people who came off the old forums and followed some of us into Second Citizen, when it was first started. That’s all. Go read the back issues of my blog.
These are people who continually fight the old forums battles as a blood sport, and they now have become so hysterical, so methed out, so insane, that they actually imagine that I’m somehow “attacking” them when much of the time I merely ignore them. One pointed comment every few months to these idiots is enough to make them cackle and huff and puff for days on end on their forums — they have no lives.
Truly, a sight to behold. I invite anybody who isn’t “getting it” just to go to Second Citizen and browse all the threads the last few months. Here is a forum with several dozen active posters who do nothing but talk about me, make pictures to mock me, analyze my RL and SL, etc. etc. It’s an entire industry. And this is months after I left there and stopped posting new threads there or reading it. Now, I merely occasionally come back to rebut some outright lie.
Reading the SC back threads, you’ll readily see that I was banned from SLCC, and the Peregrines gloated about it. They may be doing some tap-dancing now around this, but all the SC regs know that in fact they did ban me and were proud of it.
The infantile creatures at the core of this phenomenon of the old FIC in SL are thin-skinned losers. But that gives them the tenacity of monsters. They will fight and scratch and claw to the death to keep their waning powers. It’s really a marvel. The language and pictures and methods they use are absolutely appalling. But the minute anybody gives them even the slightest taste of their own medicine, they run screeching and hooting to their mother’s skirts to whine and cry.
I don’t go into every thread Joshua starts — and he starts many attenting-getting whorish threads — and try to poke or pick or make some snarky comment.
I don’t link to his RL site — that’s one of those Big Lies he keeps making up, but I have no motivation to link to anything of his or bother with him in the slightest.
I don’t report “sitings” of Joshua Nightshade, nor do I “helpfully contact Lindens” about “a stalking griefer alt who is sending around pictures of Joshua’s door in RL.”
I mean, do the math here. This fucktard is annoying me, stalking me, trying to ridicule me, then dancing around and pretending he’s the victim ROFL. It’s all pretty transparent –and the work of a mediocre mind.
Um, dance around the question much? I didn’t take any hints and I don’t get any of the fake references. I think it’s quite relevant for Joshua to name the name of the Linden he contacted. That Linden may never talk. But at least we’ll be able to see how far Joshua will go with this Big Lie.
>I just don’t hear about Aimee going to prok hissing “fucking shit” or cristiano talking about strangling prok.
Um, maybe you need to visit Second Citizen and see how these two obsess about me day after day, week after week, month after month, mocking, ridiculing, speculating, making up shit endlessly. Cristiano has far worse comments on Second Citizen. Go look.
And saying “fucking shit” is what anyone says when they have some person who has declared that they “hate them” on forums as an official campaign, when that person is forced on them suddenly in RL, when they are trying to talk to another person in good faith.
Nice Second Life ID there, JD. Brave of you.
Ultimately, I think anybody following the saga of Joshua Nightshade on this episode or other episodes involving me, or episodes he’s had with everybody else on Second Citizen, realizes that he’s a psychopath, an Internet histrionics phenomenon. I’m done giving this creature attention. I don’t care what tripe he comes up with next. I’ve thoroughly debunked all the lies, and any rational and intelligent person gets it. If they don’t, they aren’t someone I’m going to persuade anyway, because they belong on Second Citizen.
SC has waned in its following lately. People like Ingrid Ingersoll simply left it, fed up with the awfulness of it. Cocoanut kept sparring with them and finally left it. I left it, and occasionally return to try to defend myself, but it’s pointless. It can’t be done. It’s definitely one of those “lie down with dogs, catch fleas” situations.
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 5th, 2007
Ha. :p
Prokofy Neva
Apr 5th, 2007
Who was the Linden?
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 5th, 2007
You’re on SC constantly, it’s thrilling.
You were never banned; a few months ago Jenn and Flip made the original reference that their lawyer suggested you should be. At no point was it ever said “she’s banned.” You’re a liar and clearly upset that you didn’t get to milk this ban thing for as much drama as you could, so you’re going to go about making situations up now.
Liar.
Liar.
Liar?
Yes, liar.
JD
Apr 5th, 2007
Yeah I looked at second citizen. I see christiano posting some smart stuff. Aimee sounds bored. Josh has got a wild hair but that’s cool, he got cause.
Flipper sounds like he trying to please everybody. Yo he is like “people scared of prok? Ok we won’t invite prok” then everybody give him shit so he like “.ok we invite prok” the man can’t win for tryin.
The rest of them just laughin at you cause you say funny shit.
Ya I am posting under my initials. I read enough herald here to know that once I show who I am, prokites attack who you are, not what you say. That’s messed.
JD
Apr 5th, 2007
Yeah I looked at second citizen. I see christiano posting some smart stuff. Aimee sounds bored. Josh has got a wild hair but that’s cool, he got cause.
Flipper sounds like he trying to please everybody. Yo he is like “people scared of prok? Ok we won’t invite prok” then everybody give him shit so he like “.ok we invite prok” the man can’t win for tryin.
The rest of them just laughin at you cause you say funny shit.
Ya I am posting under my initials. I read enough herald here to know that once I show who I am, prokites attack who you are, not what you say. That’s messed.
Cocoanut Koala
Apr 5th, 2007
As I said, don’t make me drag out the quotes.
coco
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 5th, 2007
Coco, drag them out.
Cocoanut Koala
Apr 5th, 2007
I really don’t want to do that, Josh. Suffice it to say – yes, Flipper and Jennyfur stated that Prok was banned from the SLCC and justified that. More than once.
So I ask that you stop saying they didn’t. (Besides, you can easily find the quotes yourself, without anyone having to post them here.)
coco
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 6th, 2007
They never said she was banned, they said that they had it on the advice of their lawyer that she should be.
Because she should. She’s a violent, dangerous person who’s expressed hate and threats at many venues.
And either way, Flip and Jenn don’t represent the whole of the decision process, nor is a post on SC an official announcement.
So please, find a quote stating otherwise that they banned her, or said she was banned, or said anything beyond the fact that it was being considered, any official statement at all.
Doesn’t exist. Because Prokofy is full of it.
Cocoanut Koala
Apr 6th, 2007
It does exist. I will get it to you tomorrow, if you insist. But I would prefer not to do that.
coco
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 6th, 2007
I insist.
Cocoanut Koala
Apr 6th, 2007
No, let’s start with you. (And, I think, end there.)
Let’s look some of the easily searched quotes from you yourself that he’d been banned. After all, you are the one who is here now saying Prok was never banned and accusing him of lying. Flipper and Jennyfur aren’t doing that.
For easier reading, since other people’s quotes lead to your answers, I have capitalized your remarks only.
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01-22-2007, 02:14 PM
Someone Else
Quote: Originally Posted by someone else:
… I thought she was banned from SLCC this year.
it was more of a pre-emptive sour-grapes “you can’t ban me I quit” thing
01-22-2007, 02:16 PM
Joshua Nightshade
Quote: Originally Posted by someone else: it was more of a pre-emptive sour-grapes “you can’t ban me I quit” thing
BUT NO, SHE’S ALSO BEEN BANNED FROM IT AS WELL.
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01-22-2007, 08:54 PM
Someone Else
Ok I missed this somewhere. What caused Prokofy to be banned from this year’s SLCC?
01-22-2007, 09:28 PM
Joshua Nightshade
Quote: Originally Posted by someone else: I believe it was the flat-out threats … and all the legal craptasticness that could hit the fan if something happened at SLCC.
SHE WAS BANNED BEFORE SHE THREATENED US.
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02-26-2007, 07:09 PM
Joshua Nightshade
Quote: Originally Posted by Cocoanut
He hardly needs to boycott the SLCC when you have preemptively banned him.
SHE WASN’T BANNED FROM IT LAST YEAR. WHERE WERE YOUR WORDS FOR THE BOYCOTT THEN?
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03-31-2007, 01:40 PM
Joshua Nightshade
Quote: Originally Posted by someone else:
Ya know some of you people really stike me as arrogant. As for Prok being banned from SLCC, well its not my call but IMO its wrong. Prok is just like anyother person that plays SL she just has a odd way of getting attention.
[To him, you just posted a “Hypocrite in a Pouffy White Dress” picture.]
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04-01-2007, 02:07 AM
Joshua Nightshade
Quote: Originally Posted by someone else:
Give me a fucking break. The bullshit is deep. If they want to exclude Prok, cool with me, but let’s not keep on with this nonsense. It really is silly.
IT’S NOT NONSENSE. SHE’S NOT BEING BANNED BECAUSE SHE IS A PISS-SHITTER. SHE’S BEING BANNED BECAUSE OF THE MYRIAD OF PEOPLE SHE’S HARASSED …
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04-02-2007, 01:02 AM
Joshua Nightshade
Quote: Originally Posted by someone else
… Look at it this way, she is happier than a pig in shit right now … making “news” with her big “ban” at an event she had no intention of going to anyway …
PROKOFY ISN’T COMING WHETHER SHE’S FREELY INVITED OR NOT. IF SHE HADN’T BEEN BANNED, SHE WOULD BE BOYCOTTING IT. …
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Somewhere between 1 AM on 04-02 and 11 AM on 04-02, you apparently got the memo and started spouting the line that this ban was just a figment of people’s imagination:
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04-02-2007, 11:17 AM
Joshua Nightshade
Quote: Originally Posted by someone else:
Does anyone have a link or source to where the SLCC organizers claimed Prokofy was banned? …
THAT’S THE POINT. THERE’S BEEN NOTHING BUT RUMORS; THEY ONLY SAID THAT THEIR LAWYER SUGGESTED BANNING HER. THERE WAS NO ANNOUNCEMENT, THERE WAS NO DECISION, ALL OF THIS IS JUST STUPID.
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Similar confirming quotes exist for Jennyfur and Flip; yes, they do. But they aren’t the ones pushing this and calling other people liars.
I think it is enough to show that you were pretty convinced of his banning yourself, and for the same reasons we all were, which pretty much puts the lie to what you have said above.
coco
Robo Flop
Apr 6th, 2007
Okay reading the article at first I thought maybe that it was a little much to ban someone from SLCC but I could see from what I’ve read around these parts from Prokofy why this might be a consideration. After reading what the shemale had to say in these comments it is clear that he/she is a raving mentalist! As for whether banning Prokofy is censorship hardly he/she will clearly always have the opportunity to go off on insane self obsessed rants here on the Herald. Prokofy=Mega Griefer
FFS
Apr 6th, 2007
Round and round and round and round. Here we go again.
Joshua when Coconaut told you to drop it for your sake you should have taken her advice.
http://forums.secondcitizen.com/showpost.php?p=133557&postcount=32
There ya go, a nice thread showing Jennyfur P. saying Prokofy was banned.
The rest of this is transparent. Joshua is a griever. Joshua did grieve Prokofy. Feel free to search the thousands of posts he has collected on SC to see how many of them mention Prokofy. Now compare that with how many times Prokofy mentioned Joshua.
This is not rocket science. Take Jennyfur’s advice in that post: put 2 and 2 together.
luth
Apr 6th, 2007
>Say you had a neighbor who constantly screamed at you while you were walking down the street that you were trying to run her out of the neighborhood and steal her newspaper…
I know from experience that you don’t stand on the street and scream back in their face. Mine threatened to break into my flat and kill my kitten. What do you do? Call the police.
> No one ever has expressed an issue with the fact that Prokofy criticizes; they’re tired of the violent, angry and hateful way she attacks other people.
Bullshit. Don’t talk to me like I haven’t been watching this for the past 3 years. Every single time Prok says anything anywhere (a logical debate or not), pretty much the same group and their bandwagoners reply back with such things as: “jealous, “crazy bitch,” “angry bitch,” “psychopath,” ect.
I have never and will never defend the way prok chooses to express his opinion, but get the fuck over yourselves. You are not victims. I’ve seen posts that had nothing to do with him degrade down to a prok bashing, whether he commented or not. He’s this long running joke to you people and those who aren’t kissing your collective asses are usually afraid to go toe to toe with you in case they recieve the same wrath.
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 6th, 2007
Coco, I missed the memo when I was hired to work for the SLCC.
I also missed the memo when Second Citizen became the official point of dispatch for SLCC news and information.
I’ve been a supporter of banning Prokofy from the moment the idea came up, the least of which being the cowardly way she threatened three people who’ve said they were attending. However all it was and all it ever will be was a strongly-worded suggestion.
I asked you to provide an official quote where someone said months ago Prokofy was banned. That the best you can do is quote me agreeing with the concept demonstrates there isn’t one.
FFS: You’re an idiot.
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 6th, 2007
Luth: The good majority of people who get into the Prok-fights, yes, are people who’ve had nothing done to them by her and are merely jumping onto the bandwagon.
I’m not one of those people. I’ve had the assaults here, from attacks on my physical appearance to the lies about photographing and passing around her door, to attacks on her website — the least of which being when she called me a “rapist” and linked to my real name and real, personal website.
Whatever beef you have with the peanut gallery who’s just along for the ride, understand that I’m not referring to them. I’m referring to myself, Aimee, Cristiano, Jennyfur, Flipper, and a host of other people whom Prokofy has ritualistically and habitually attacked for years. We’ve never taken issue with her inherent message, just the way she’s said it.
I’ve never asked nor expected anyone to kiss my ass. I’ve asked Prokofy to stop lying. That’s apparently a futile request.