updated: We didn’t Want You to Know This, But Agitators Will Be Banned
by Alphaville Herald on 01/04/07 at 10:37 pm
Op/Ed by Urizenus Sklar
Most people in the Second Life infosphere have heard that SL agitator and SL Herald contributor Prokofy Neva has been banned from the Second Life Community Convention in Chicago. The exchanges between Prok and the FIC have been pretty off the hook (on both sides), so we can understand why some people don’t want her there, but the step from not wanting to banning is a very unsettling step for what advertises itself as a “community convention.” The justification being offered does nothing to make the decision less troubling. In a post to Second Citizen, our friend FlipperPA Peregrine first says that the organizers didn’t intend to make Prok’s banning public, and then offers up a justification that establishes a dangerous precedent that really needs to be rethought.
The SLCC attorney, who’s legal opinion I respect much more than anyone (he’s with Buchanan Ingersoll), said it would be wise to avoid any situation in which such an agitator, who loves to push peoples’ buttons, is allowed in a room with those she agitates, especially since conventions such as these include alcohol.[emphasis mine]
The idea that the banning would be secret is troubling enough, but the notion that it is unwise to have an agitator in a space where the agitated are present is in effect a prescription for insulating people from anyone who provokes them. The subtext seems to be that the real concern is that with alchohol being served there is some danger this agitator could be harmed by the other participants. That isn’t grounds for banning the agitator, it is grounds for either not serving alchohol or hiring adequate security to keep thin skinned drunks from harming Prokofy.
Beyond the precedent, it seems absurd to me that the Second Life Community Convention cannot tolerate the presence of a 50 year old woman who works for the United Nations and just last weekend was a speaker at Columbia University.
I call on Flip and the other organizers to think carefully about the precedent being established, and also about the broader philosophical implications of the decision. As it stands, the decision and justification appears positively Orwellian.
update: A statement from SLCC’s Randy Moss says that no one will be banned: http://slcc2007.wordpress.com/2007/04/02/registration-will-be-open-to-all/
(Flip’s statement is below the fold.)
As I’ve pointed out several times before:(1) It wasn’t our intention to make this public. Chances are, she would have boycotted again, and if she had registered, we would have tried to handle it quietly, politely declining her registration.
(2) Last year, our biggest day of registration was the day after she announced her boycott, with many registrants remarking that they would now attend since Prokofy would not be present. She really does intimidate a lot of people; not everyone can easily shrug her off.
(3) The SLCC attorney, who’s legal opinion I respect much more than anyone (he’s with Buchanan Ingersoll), said it would be wise to avoid any situation in which such an agitator, who loves to push peoples’ buttons, is allowed in a room with those she agitates, especially since conventions such as these include alcohol.
(4) Verbally assaulting Kendra at SLCC1, while Kendra was minding her own business eating lunch, is what I would consider absolutely impolite and unacceptable behavior. While the cross against Aimee and I was really funny – I kept laughing – verbally assaulting people in RL like she does in virtual spaces is NOT acceptable.
Prok’s been trying to tone down and mainstream her image lately, which I applaud. One day, hopefully, her behavior will be actually socially acceptable (just look how few blog entries she’s made lately). That still doesn’t forgive the years she’s spent trying to harm people by being a lying curmudgeon.
Regards,
-Flip
SunShine Kukulcan
Apr 6th, 2007
Prok:
Why dont you just STFU and start on something else? You expect those people who do not agree with you to one day wake up and slap their collective foreheads and say, “oh my, we have been so cruel to Prok”?
Bottom line is, you feed the fire every chance you get. You are a media whore with a sick sense of what is right in your world. As a medical professional, I suspect you are an undiagnosed borderline personality disorder.
And personally, I am sick of your deluded whinings about Josh and Arahan. Tell you what, pretend that I have somehow wronged your ass and bring it on me.
I DARE YOU.
SunShine
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 6th, 2007
SunShine: I’m pretty sure she’s a diagnosed borderline personality disorder.
FFS
Apr 6th, 2007
Joshua if you consider yourself smart then you calling me an idiot is about the greatest compliment you could give me.
But your smoke and mirrors never really cover up what you are. At least not to anyone who is able to see through it all.
FFS
Apr 6th, 2007
Joshua if you consider yourself smart then you calling me an idiot is about the greatest compliment you could give me.
But your smoke and mirrors never really cover up what you are. At least not to anyone who is able to see through it all.
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 6th, 2007
For all I care you’re just a Prokofy-alt. One of her myriad personalities. Talk to me when you manifest a spine to share your viewpoints behind a legitimate identity of self-respect.
Klink Epsilon
Apr 6th, 2007
Prok
oh and what you said about ban link on second cast – maybe just a lot of people added you their personal ban lists because frankly you’ve made a lot of enemies and you piss a lot of people off ever considered that DUH??? – Sorry I went down your level by implying that you are thick!
Ban link is a great system to use it has stopped a lot of the /b/tard and PN raids on places, instead of jumping to your own conclusions about it try asking the people who use it how it works for them DUH!!! – Sorry I did it again
FFS
Apr 6th, 2007
Sure thing Joshua. Smoke and mirrors again to try and hide the fact you are a liar.
Keep it up you almost have it down to an art.
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 6th, 2007
FFS: You’re an idiot.
Just like the last time, I asked for an example of where I lied, and you couldn’t provide one. I repeat, you’re an idiot, and a coward.
Mark
Apr 6th, 2007
__I only asked because her name constantly keeps coming up in this thread – and I half expected her to come and tell someone to shut up – but she hasn’t.__
I see. Just proving yourself to be the little drama whore we’ve seen before.
Keep tugging at those coat tails kiddo.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 7th, 2007
>I also missed the memo when Second Citizen became the official point of dispatch for SLCC news and information.
When Jennyfur began posting there all the time, for the last few months?
>I’ve been a supporter of banning Prokofy from the moment the idea came up, the least of which being the cowardly way she threatened three people who’ve said they were attending.
Rolls eyes. So now this LIE is escalated to saying falsely that I “threaten” people — even make death threats because — remember why? Because I said “If that little creep ever comes near me in RL I will cheerfully strangle him*. That’s not a death threat, it’s an idiomatic saying. I’ve made no threats to anyone, certainly not “three people”. Since this little vermin has now in fact stalked me and imposed himself on me and found himself not strangled, not even cheerfully strangled, I’d have to conclude he’s suffering from Internet histrionic syndrome.
>However all it was and all it ever will be was a strongly-worded suggestion.
Oh, so now it’s a threat? “We didn’t ban you, but we strongly suggest that you don’t show up because we can’t guarantee your safety.” Uh-huh. I get it. Thugs.
>I asked you to provide an official quote where someone said months ago Prokofy was banned.
Jennyfur wrote it on SC. We all saw it. If she scrubbed it now, she’s even lamer than I thought. Flipper confirmed it and said YES just recently. It’s all on there. Lying about it doesn’t scrub what everyone remembers.
>That the best you can do is quote me agreeing with the concept demonstrates there isn’t one.
That has GOT to be the lamest lie ever told.
I don’t know who FFS is, I don’t post to forums under alts. I recall being banned from the official forums and posting under an alt once to try to correct the record about false statements made about me there. And another time I posted with an alt as part of a joke, about an auction that cost a fortune. It’s not my practice to go posting around under alts. I don’t need to do that as I say what I think anyway.
Duh, Klink, you just haven’t thought through the issues. As fast as these b-tards get banned, they make new alts. And merely banning is not a solution. Multiple other methods have to be used. And when I go on the Ban-Link website and click on my name, I find out the simple fact of who put me on the list: FlipperPA. Merely because he didn’t like my criticism of his poor leadership of SLCC. Whenever I’ve found myself banned I asked people why, and they explain they have it from Ban-Link. In a few cases, they have it because they’ve gotten it from this ageplay club that was attacked by w-hat with something called “The SS Prokofy Neva” and they figured my name into it. It was some boat or something made out of my object that was on mod.
>Why dont you just STFU and start on something else? You expect those people who do not agree with you to one day wake up and slap their collective foreheads and say, “oh my, we have been so cruel to Prok”?
I’m never going to be “shutting the fuck up” because some anonymous asshole on a forums tells me to. I don’t expect anyone to agree with me. But I do expect to reach those who re undecided, and to fight the good fight. And I don’t need someone to stop being cruel to me, I merely fight back and expose what they do, and if they are unconcerned about their reputations, that’s their funeral.
>Bottom line is, you feed the fire every chance you get. You are a media whore with a sick sense of what is right in your world.
Having a sense of what is right is the greatest thing. I suggest you acquire it yourself, as you are sadly at sea. I push back every chance I get against the tide, absolutely.
>As a medical professional, I suspect you are an undiagnosed borderline personality disorder.
Uri is far more professional than you, even being a professional in another field. He put it very well when he said that people making comments on others’ alleged disorders don’t have the skills to make these diagnoses. And *if* they are in fact professionals, they don’t settle scores on forums by harassing someone they believe to be “ill” with public diagnoses. So your “medical professionalism” sucks big time, and you should be reported to whatever board in whatever state should get reports from unprofessional assholes like you.
I don’t suffer from any undiagnosed personality disorder, but you suffer from being a diagnosed asshole.
>And personally, I am sick of your deluded whinings about Josh and Arahan. Tell you what, pretend that I have somehow wronged your ass and bring it on me.
Alt-o-rama? There’s nothing deluded about exposing a total ass who puts out obscene things like jackboots on the crucifix or someone pissing on the Koran. This isn’t bold and brave, it’s infantile and disrespectful. People who have religions have something of value; people who have piss or a jackboot have violence and obscenity, and that’s it.
Both Josh and Arahan are disturbed psychopaths acting out on forums. Anyone can see that. Go use your diagnostic skills on them.
>I DARE YOU.
>SunShine
I have no idea what this bullshit is about, but if you are the medical professional you say you are, you wouldn’t hide behind an alt. It’s one of the sicker features of SL that people do that who should know better.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 7th, 2007
Here are multiple examples where Joshua lied, once again:
>Luth: The good majority of people who get into the Prok-fights, yes, are people who’ve had nothing done to them by her and are merely jumping onto the bandwagon.
It’s a short list, I call them the Toxic Twenty, people from the forums, who continued their crap on SC. The others that I’ve had issue with or criticized easily make common cause with this gang because they are of the same piece.
Whatever my disputes with these people, I’ve never harassed them in world, never caused them damages, never stalked them into RL. And yet they’ve done that to me. So their protestations about my evil are hollow.
>I’m not one of those people. I’ve had the assaults here, from attacks on my physical appearance to the lies about photographing and passing around her door, to attacks on her website — the least of which being when she called me a “rapist” and linked to my real name and real, personal website.
I never claimed Joshua took this picture of my door, because I can’t know who took it without some sleuthing I’m unable to do. But I do claim that he passed it around. Because he did. That’s on the record. The Lindens can see that in inventory records. We await Joshua’s naming of a Linden that he ostensibly passed this info to, and we await a plausible explanation as to why this alt could disappear so quicly, or why this alt would could to the trouble of taking a picture of my door in order to stalk me…yet never pass me the picture of the door directly. Wierd, that.
I never raised any issue with Joshua’s physical appearance until after I had endured months of months of obsessive posting, obsencities, defacing of my picture, RL stalking, and just sheer, unadulterated assholery from this sicko. When he stalked me in RL and I could see that he was one of these Internet bullies who is a weak and pathetic loser in real life but intimidates people on forums, I called him on it. And I will go on calling him and the others on what they are doing: trying to offset their miserable real lives and insecurities by harassing a stranger on the Internet, bullying for sport.
Anyone who can’t seem to grasp what this is about has to go read SC. Within 15 minutes of reading the months and months of multiple threads all obsessing about me, my RL, my SL, and everything I do, you’ll get it. It’s a group psychosis.
>Whatever beef you have with the peanut gallery who’s just along for the ride, understand that I’m not referring to them. I’m referring to myself, Aimee, Cristiano, Jennyfur, Flipper, and a host of other people whom Prokofy has ritualistically and habitually attacked for years.
I legitimately, properly, and rightfully attacked these people for their bullying, harassment, arrogance, and general assholery on the old forums. It was absolutely the right thing to do. I’d do it again, in a heartback. I’m *still* doing it. It’s what is required to make a space for free thinking without harassment and conformism in Second Life. It’s hugely important, and the only unfortunate thing about all this is that I don’t have company, and those who have been along for this whole ride and see the rampant assholery these people have engaged in, and know EXACTLY what they’re about, have sat on the sidelines, intimidated.
>We’ve never taken issue with her inherent message, just the way she’s said it.
Joshua speaks for the FIC now lol *rolls on the floor convulsed with laughter*. Every once in awhile, a young punk comes along trying to make a name for himself. If he can grief me or make some kind of obscene object related to me, he can earn his spurs in this sick group — more often than not he is brutally rejected for his general loser status anyway.
>I’ve never asked nor expected anyone to kiss my ass. I’ve asked Prokofy to stop lying. That’s apparently a futile request.
Prokofy will go on telling the truth, each time one of these lies is passed around yet again.
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 7th, 2007
Prokofy, you’re a moron. How do you manage to feed your children? What’s the longest you’ve ever held a job? Can’t take that long for your employers to figure out your varied illnesses.
Artemis Fate
Apr 7th, 2007
“I legitimately, properly, and rightfully attacked these people for their bullying, harassment, arrogance, and general assholery on the old forums. It was absolutely the right thing to do.”
The funny thing was, I remember some of Prokofy’s first posts on the old forums, he hasn’t changed an inch since then, and even then he was screaming and swearing at people who disagreed with his conspiracies. Threatening and insulting people until they would either leave or insult back, to which then he’d become infuriating that they were insulting him to what he deemed without provocation (for after all, he can speak only truth), and if they kept it up, they would eventually be woven into one of his conspiracies. To prove this, when I first started replying to some of Prokofy’s threads, I tried to be polite in disagreements. Prokofy did not offer up the same courtesies, and I mostly tried to only respond a few times and leave him alone, despite being an oldbie I was left out of his conspiracy theories because I didn’t argue with him enough. When he got hired to SLHerald, a place I had long since been following and posting on, I started more directly arguing with him more often and consistantly. Now I am a minor part of his conspiracy theories as some sort of tekki-wikki utopian sherpa or whatever nonsence he made up. I imagine if I keep disagreeing with his lies, i’ll rise the ranks and become a core part of the conspiracies. Curious how all of the major figures of his conspiracies seem to be those who at one point disagreed often with Prokofy, and pretty much only afterwards. People look at my posts now and see me insulting him by calling him crazy, but this is only after a long time of Prokofy ritually insulting me no matter how polite I might have responded, and Prokofy carrying the same lies as truth even though you can prove him wrong. Prokofy has never been “proven wrong” on anything, because he can’t be. Not because he’s telling the truth, but to him, whatever he dreams up is the absolute truth, and whatever evidence comes across is evidence that it’s true. 2+2=5 and if someone says otherwise, it’s evidence of the conspiracy to hide the truth of the mathematical inner core. What’s worse about Prokofy now is that he spits out lies like Plastic Duck calling his house and assaulting his children and stalking him in Real life, and people who aren’t versed in Prokofy’s insanity have begun to believe it.
What can you do with a person like that? There’s no debate, Prokofy in the entire expanse of me knowing him, has never once conceded to being wrong on any subject, even in ones that he was 100% proven wrong on, he just steps back from the fact or keeps spouting the same lies despite them being provably untrue.
Atleast after he was banned from the Forums for trolling and vicious personal attacks, and from the official blog for the same (not for whatever breach of injustice lie he perpetrates as loudly as possible), atleast then I could ignore him when he was stuck only to rant his hate in his own blog.
I don’t agree with Urizenus’ decision to enlist Prokofy into the Herald as a side-show act to attract visitors.
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 7th, 2007
You’re dead on Artemis and I couldn’t agree more.
It’s exceptionally troubling to listen to people parroting Prokofy’s lies as fact; and at no point ever could arguing with her, even angrily, be worse than the things she’s done. At no point ever are arguing with a crazy, insane and violent woman in a forum worse than that woman lying by calling you a rapist or a stalker, manufacturing lies about door photography, etc. If you think that words on a forum are worse than a lying, ranting sack of waste making serious criminal allegations with no evidence or reason, you need to get a grip.
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 7th, 2007
And Urizenus should rightly be ashamed for allowing Prokofy to co-opt what relevancy this website clings to for a platform to launch more of her bullshit campaigns.
Artemis Fate
Apr 7th, 2007
You know, on the subject of “you’re not properly trained to diagnose” or in Sunshines case, you are but you shouldn’t be saying it, i’d just say, yeah i’m not a psychologist, but after seeing Prokofy for years spouting the same kind of lies with the same kind of almost religious ferver, shouting and insulting at people, making up provably wrong stuff about people and shouting it at the top of his lungs despite all evidence, verbally assaulting people in RL based on this, never changing his mind or opinion on anyone or anything that he’s locked his teeth on no matter what they do or what proof is put forth, all in the name of “truth and justice”, in the eyes of Prokofy.
All i’m saying is, I may not be a psychologist, but if I see a person smear shit on their face, wear pants on both their arms, and scream about the government coming after them, I don’t need to be one to see they’re crazy.
Just as I don’t need to be one after years of being exposed to this sociopath’s writings to say “he definitely has some kind of personality disorder manifesting itself here.”
SunShine Kukulcan
Apr 7th, 2007
ALT? If you bothered to click on the so-called alt name, you will be able to send me email. It is not an alt, it is me, just as you use Prokofy as your alt.
Secondly, if you have the “balls” to contact me directly via email, I will be more than pleased to supply you with: Professional credentials that will enable you to:
report me to every medical board in every state I am licensed;
see for yourself that I am qualified to not only diagnose your medical/psychiatric conditions, but also treat them too.
In the meantime, if you wish to continue this shitfest, I suggest we take it offlist and REALLY make it stick.
If not, then you are completely in the throes of your illness, and I strongly suggest you seek professional help, quickly.
SunShine
Prokofy Neva
Apr 7th, 2007
>ALT? If you bothered to click on the so-called alt name, you will be able to send me email. It is not an alt, it is me, just as you use Prokofy as your alt.
Gosh, the names they have in Second Life these days. Who knew?!
>Secondly, if you have the “balls” to contact me directly via email, I will be more than pleased to supply you with: Professional credentials that will enable you to:
report me to every medical board in every state I am licensed;
see for yourself that I am qualified to not only diagnose your medical/psychiatric conditions, but also treat them too.
*Bursts out laughing*.
>In the meantime, if you wish to continue this shitfest, I suggest we take it offlist and REALLY make it stick.
*Go fuck yourself, sideways*.
>If not, then you are completely in the throes of your illness, and I strongly suggest you seek professional help, quickly.
SunShine
Um, why don’t you print your email here on the Herald, so that those readers who are themselves *real* credentialled medical professionals would be able to follow up? If you are what you say you are, you won’t have to hide behind some offlist skirmish.
*Real* credentially medical professionals don’t behave like fucktards on forums, bullying, harassing, intimidating, and making diagnoses of strangers over the Internet. They’d never dream of doing that, it’s unprofessional, and makes them look stupid.
I can recognize a sick,lying,Internet fuckwads suffering from Internet histrionics like you are, however, and know enough not to waste time on them. Internet fuckwads are always bullying, challenging, trying to get somebody to stick to their tar babies, imagining they can stand up to them in RL, and that they are safe because no one will take the challenge — who would want to deal with such a nasty persona?
You’ve discredited yourself, “Sunshine”, so stick it where it doesn’t.
yay, Uri! I am eternally grateful for you giving us that excellent piece of analysis that we can always use on these boards to put to bed the eternal idea that a) amateurs can make psychiatric diagnoses b) or if they are professionals, they would only discredit themselves and harm their career by harassing someone on a forums with a discredited analysis made over the Internet.
Real, credentialled, medical professionals true to their profession and concerned about their reputation don’t do such things.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 7th, 2007
*or b) that they would NOT discredit themselves…
SunShine Kukulcan
Apr 7th, 2007
Prok:
I would not post my email here just as you would not. However, that does not mean that I can not be reached.
Again, I am not trying to “hide behind some offlist skirmish” I simply offered you the information necessary to take this offlist and pursue your diagnosis and beginning treatment and perhaps subsequent reporting of me to the medical boards.
As far as acting as a “fucktards on forums, bullying, harassing, intimidating, and making diagnoses of strangers over the Internet. They’d never dream of doing that, it’s unprofessional, and makes them look stupid”; that is your particular take on this entire mishmash. Bullying??? Explain that one. Initimidating? Perhaps, but only so that you will seek the treatment that you so richly need. I did not make a diagnosis, I suggest you reread my original posting, “As a medical professional, I SUSPECT (caps mine) you are an undiagnosed borderline personality disorder.” I STAND behind that statement.
As far as the rest of your incoherent rant, including your name-calling and suggestions of odd sexual positions, I say, took the bait, didnt you?
Poor thing, I pity you and those around you who see your mental decline.
SunShine
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 7th, 2007
SunShine, you’re better off ignoring this idiot; it will only get you on her list of alts and the terrorists that love them.
SunShine Kukulcan
Apr 7th, 2007
Joshua:
I agree and will be taking your advice.
Last comment to Prok: Get help, if not from me, then from someone. I will not be leaving, just no longer replying to you.
SunShine
Artemis Fate
Apr 7th, 2007
“Last comment to Prok: Get help, if not from me, then from someone. I will not be leaving, just no longer replying to you.”
I’ve been saying that for a while, I don’t think it’ll ever happen, because getting help is the same as conceding defeat or saying that his theories may be uncorrect. But his beliefs are unshakable, and he has never admitted he was wrong on anything.
I suspect 50 different top of the field psychologists could come here, post their credentials, and all agree that, from looking at his posts, he has some sort of personality disorder, and he would respond by insulting and swearing at them, calling them alts of some FIC people or saying they were goaded on by some FIC conspiracy. Then would tell them they are discrediting themselves by trying to attempt to diagnose him online, and probably end it by insulting them all again.
Pretty much the end all of it is, everyone knows he’s crazy except him, although I suspect he DOES know it, since he acts very strangely to posts that get close to his illness, but won’t admit it.
Even Urizenus refered to him as the crazy cat lady.
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 7th, 2007
Prokofy isn’t a he. Prokofy is a woman.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 7th, 2007
>As far as acting as a “fucktards on forums, bullying, harassing, intimidating, and making diagnoses of strangers over the Internet. They’d never dream of doing that, it’s unprofessional, and makes them look stupid”; that is your particular take on this entire mishmash. Bullying??? Explain that one. Initimidating? Perhaps, but only so that you will seek the treatment that you so richly need. I did not make a diagnosis, I suggest you reread my original posting, “As a medical professional, I SUSPECT (caps mine) you are an undiagnosed borderline personality disorder.” I STAND behind that statement.
I would suggest if we’re going to bat around “diagnoses” that you consider that YOU YOURSELF suffer from narcissism and borderline personality disorder traits. The idea that you can bully and harass and intimidate someone for exposing the realities of a stalker and what they do, and exposing their lies, is just sick. The idea that you would take the side of Internet bullies and stalkers is just sick. The mediocrity and low-life status of someone “in the medical professional” engaging in this behaviour is appalling. We all see that, those of us who are intelligent at least.
It’s also the trademark of the Internet manipulator that he says something, then tries to backtrack on it in a million pathetic manipulative ways. Oh, but I didn’t give a diagnosis. I just *suggested* one. Bullshit. Suggesting is making.
I can think of a whole bunch of people who just learned that there’s a “medical professional” out there that they cannot trust. They cannot trust him to behave compassionately or rationally or to protect the vulnerable. You have to hope to hell your RL persona isn’t going to get linked with this swaggering asshole Internet poster, “Sunshine”.
Once again I am *so grateful* to Prof. Ludlow for providing us with the desperately-needed THEORY to fight our way through the thicket of Internet assholery.
When people on the Internet debate by telling some party in the discussion to “get help,” they’ve generally lost the debate, and revealed themselves to be mediocrities and bullies.
Also, note for the record how Mr. Gay Rights Fucktard here tries to bully and shame and harass a person by citing the contarst between their RL and their SL genders, as if that is relevant. It’s not.
I’m confident that if Uri has called me a crazy old cat lady, he is doing so as some sort of forums colloquialism. It’s not done in the mean, vindictive spirit of most people who can’t seem to rise to the occasion here, call a liar for what they are — an Internet histrionics case — and condemn him. Joshua is a creepy stalker with an unhappy childhood and evidently an even unhappier adult life. He passes around pictures of people’s doors in RL, he bombards forums with reports of ‘sitings’ of them, takes their RL picture, defaces it in obscene ways, and continues to obsess and obsess.
Mark
Apr 7th, 2007
__Gosh, the names they have in Second Life these days. Who knew?!___
Oh, maybe a landlord who might have heard that last name because it may have been the last name of one of his tenants? That last name has been around for quite a while; but you knew that, didn’t you? We’re always hearing about your hundreds of tenants, after all.
Feigned ignorance is so laughably stupid.
__a) amateurs can make psychiatric diagnoses__
I guess you despise yourself then.
I am still waiting on my answer from Uri as to why he never says a damned word when you do it, but when someone else does, then it’s a terrible thing.
Uri?
You, Prokofy, could also offer some insight perhaps, oh great wise one, as to why you like to play internet shrink and then chide others for it?
Don’t make me go dig up quotes, it won’t be difficult.
As someone above said, it doesnt take a professional at all to detect mental imbalance when its of the magnitude of your malady. It’s dripping off of you. Fifty year olds who hiss cuss words at other people over internet squabbles and try to equivocate SL “crimes” to “real” crimes are obviously “little” bent.
No, not bent, you are broken Prokofy.
Nothing has been “put to bed”, and in fact, the longer you carry on, flailing about like a mad person, the stronger the feeling grows amongst the blogs/forums community that you have a couple of loose screws.
Hell, you even attack your supporters if they say one little thing not in strict accordance with your fucked-up worldview. Onder apparently has a firewall between RL and SL, and that’s fine, to each his own. But you ripped into him like a pitbull for it, when he has been nothing but supportive of you. We’ve seen this play out many times over the past two years.
You don’t know everything.
You are not always right.
Anonymous
Apr 7th, 2007
>Prokofy, you’re a moron. How do you manage to feed your children? What’s the longest you’ve ever held a job? Can’t take that long for your employers to figure out your varied illnesses.
I’ve held jobs for years and years and still hold them. Projecting much? I don’t have any illnesses. I have never been treated for any kind of mental disease, nor am I in need of treatment. My children are well-fed.
Anonymous
Apr 7th, 2007
__Joshua is a creepy stalker with an unhappy childhood and evidently an even unhappier adult life.__
You proved yourself a hypocrite in record time, this time old boy.
That is nothing less than a veiled diagnosis.
Hypocrite.
Mark
Apr 7th, 2007
__Joshua is a creepy stalker with an unhappy childhood and evidently an even unhappier adult life.__
You proved yourself a hypocrite in record time, this time old boy.
That is nothing less than a veiled diagnosis.
Hypocrite.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 7th, 2007
>What’s worse about Prokofy now is that he spits out lies like Plastic Duck calling his house and assaulting his children and stalking him in Real life, and people who aren’t versed in Prokofy’s insanity have begun to believe it.
How’s college, Artemis? Getting those term papers done, are you?
I’m not the side-show here; the anonymous trollsters and grieftards are the side-show. I merely fight back. Uri has never asked me to refrain from taking them on in the comments; he’s always welcome to do that.
Plastic Duck really did call my house, and he’s bragged about it repeatedly on SC, in case you missed the memo (read “Gene Replacement’s” posts). He really did reach my child and have the temerity to question her about me. That really is stalking in real life. And I really view this as an assault. It’s not a club over the head but it’s an assault nonetheless.
reeneebob Birmingham
Apr 7th, 2007
Prokofy, you are the most singularly disgusting excuse for a lump of flesh I have ever had the misfortune to come into contact with. EVER. The only person I feel badly for is your damn children for having you spend so many countless hours building your imaginary little Prok world where everyone is out to get you you YOU and you think you are the almighty.
You spin your stories faster than Fox News.
If I ask and pray hard enough, will Santa cut off her internet access?
Prokofy Neva
Apr 7th, 2007
Um, Mark, my you’re an asshole, aren’t you.
If the best you can do on this discussion about Joshua’s bad behaviour, amply on the record for any normal person to get and recoil from, is to play gotcha on me, you’re a loser, that’s for sure.
I don’t claim to be a medical professional; I don’t issue Internet diagnoses; I don’t tell people to “get help” in some bullying, non-compassionate way like “Sunshine” does. I’m not an Internet doctor.
I am a reporter, however, and it’s sure as hell accurate to characterize somebody doing gross stuff with your picture and passing around pictures of your door as a creepy Internet stalker. Because they *are* a creepy Internet stalker.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 7th, 2007
Nothing has been “put to bed”, and in fact, the longer you carry on, flailing about like a mad person, the stronger the feeling grows amongst the blogs/forums community that you have a couple of loose screws.
I guess that’s why I have so many readers lol.
Mediocrity is a powerful thing. Conformism too. It’s great to be a free thinker. In the windstorm of SL fanaticism and griefing, it’s hard to go on being normal and calling the obvious: that people who deface RL pictures and send around RL doors are creepy stalkers, to be condemned. But, hey, I’ll stick to my guns on this one, because I’m definitely right on this one. I’m so right, that many bent people who are themselves guilty of these kinds of sick acts on the Internet have to work very hard at discrediting me.
Everyone knows it’s wrong to grab somebody’s RL picture and make something obscene and deface it. Everybody know’s it’s wrong to stalk and use a picture of somebody’s door to pass around and try to intimidate them. These are the facts. That this sick fuck of a “community of anonymous posters” can’t grasp these basics and admit them is a marvel. But it’s a marvel I’m used to. Because sick Internet fuckwads want the power to invert reality and erode the moral code that everyone knows is true: it’s wrong to deface someone’s picture and send pictures of their door around and post “sitings” of them and ridicule their RL appearance.
Will we get an acknowledgement of these basic facts from these armchair psychiatrists? Of course not. They’re too far gone.
P.S. I haven’t “ripped” anything of Onder’s. If I have a disagreement with him, he can expect I’ll argue it robustly. He’s safe in the knowledge that I won’t be defacing his RL picture or trawling for it, or trying to capture his RL door. He knows there are boundaries of behaviour.
A person like Aimee Weber who lies about me so baldly, repeatedly, and egregiously, claiming I’m making death threats (!) and all the rest, hey, they get an exclamation of “fucking shit!” and a crossed finger held up. It’s about all you can do with really deeply bad behaviour like that.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 7th, 2007
And, when I’ve been dealing with a tribe of griefing fucktards like Second Citizen for over a year, and have Aimee Weber presiding over their chronic defacement and defilement of my RL picture, their constant ridiculing of my RL self and constant fetching up of my RL information, their constant obsession and harassment, and nothing works to stop it, not silence, not non-engagement, not exposure, not condemnation, I’m happy to fight fire with fire. Nobody else will.
I’m happy to throw *right back at them* the kind of ridicule of their RL selves that they’ve subjected to me *first*. And let the community rise up and so OMGGODZORZ Prok called Aimee and Jennyfur “fat cows”. Then…the same community that found that so horrendous and shocking can now be expected to page back 100 pages and find where Aimee called me “she” and hinted that I suffer from “gender dysphoria” and where she tittered and giggled and golf-clapped fucktarrds like Joshua Nightshade seriously abusing my picture and all the W-hat and other regulars putting up my RL information. Yes, a community that has risen up in defense of Aimee’s right not to be called “a fat cow” can be counted on to show the same courtesy to me. *COUGH*.
And there you have it. Either you compel people to do unto others as they would have others do unto them by invoking their sense of morality and decency — but look how much luck the Lindens had with that on their old forums (their selective prosecution and uneven enforcement of their own TOS is chiefly to blam).
Or you fight fire with fire until they find it is merely in their own self interest and in their commercial interest to cease being fucktards. Really, the only recourse we have in dealing with the Toxic 20 is to hope that like Lordfly, they will finally grasp that they need to earn a living and make a career and that involves ceasing to be raging fucktards on forums that will likely be googled up someday by clients or employers.
It’s sad that only force like that makes them reconsider their evil ways, but it’s all we have, given the absence of other societal norms like “schools” and “churches” and “parents” that are no longer effective in spreading and protecting civilization.
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 7th, 2007
Prokofy, you’re an idiot.
You are a woman. You might suffer from gender dysphoria, who knows, you definitely have gender identity issues, or cock envy, but you’re still a woman. If you were legitimately transgendered, which you aren’t, you would have more respect for the transgendered community than throwing such insults at them like calling Kendra a bad drag queen. And let’s count the ways you’ve attacked the gay community, from calling me a pathetic little faggot and so on. And if you ever were the victim of violent crime, rape especially, you’d have a little more sense than to compare clicking on xcite attachments to it. But you don’t, because you weren’t; it’s another example of how you latch on like a wannabe.
My adult life is spectacular, thanks for the concern. I have an awesome apartment, a great job, I easily make more money than you do, I have friends that I am happy to be with and spend time with and people who care about me who’re happy to go to bat for me when a crazy ranting sack of waste threatens to kill me in real life. BTW, just because we all knew that you were too much of a coward to carry out the threat in person doesn’t mean it still wasn’t a threat. The legal system is clear on that.
But keep on fighting the good fight. One day you’ll have a heart attack from the alcohol abuse and grease you put into yourself and maybe it won’t be too late for your children to find themselves in the company of sane and positive roll models. I’ll pray for them.
reeneebob Birmingham
Apr 7th, 2007
Prok: Do you have a vagina?
Do you have breasts?
Ovaries?
Are you currently in the process of a gender reassignment?
Fairly certain the answers are yes, yes, yes and no, and so you are by all intents and purposes a woman. WOMAN. And like Josh says, if you really WERE having a gender issue, you would never ever use the derogatory language towards the gay and lesbian community that you do.
This ‘temporarily a female’ bullshit is just another way for you to scream LOOK AT ME AREN’T I CRAZY AND WIERD when really all you are is some sad, messed up woman who seems more at home in a virtual world than the real one you’re supposed to be raising children in.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 7th, 2007
I’ve always found it curious that some of the more disturbed gay males, obviously with some kind of broken childhoods or bad experiences, lead them to being hateful, mysogenist, and the most intolerant of the transgendered female in SL. It’s appalling, really. I used to see this in TSO, too. What could have caused them to stalk and harass others so? You’d think they’d be the most tolerant, yet they are the lease tolerant of anyone who is transgendered. They become the most hysterical about demanding that the transgendered always “out themselves”; they become the most hysterical and obsessed about harassing people who are transgendered in ways they don’t “approve of”; they are the most hysterical and vicious haters. It’s a profound commentary on their own brokenness, and also a larger commentary on how there’s always a kick-the-dog syndrome in every community.
Look at the way these pathetic asstards scream and demand someone to “out” themselves, to describe RL private details, to pull down their pants for the bullies in the schoolyard. It’s truly awful stuff. I can only hold up a mirror to it, and urge society to see what awfulness still abounds around the issue of GLBT — where the GL & B still find it possible to hate the T and demand conformity, definitions, and behaviour for the Ts that they would never, ever countenance from the straight community *for themselves* in a million years. Awful awful stuff.
The idea that somebody has to undergo some sort of surgery to change their gender is preposterous. Huh? Like I’d undergo dangerous and risky surgery at my age? Why would I do that?! Isn’t that what Second Life is for?! Seriously. That is what it is for. If you find that ridiculous, if you wish to ridicule it, if you find that an object of pity and derision, I can think of literally millions of people who totally disagree with you by now ROFL.
I’m not an excessive drinker, I barely drink at all, at my age and with my responsibilities, I don’t tend to be the irresponsible party animal that young 20-somethings are. The idea that somebody “makes more than me” or “has a better apartment than me” or “has more friends to me” is a meaningless concept as for me, the life of the mind and the soul is simply paramount. I wouldn’t trade it for the world.
I’m not aware that I’ve ever used an expression like “pathetic little faggot” to describe anyone in Second Life, it’s not the sort of hate speech I would use, but hey, you’re welcome to come up with some links. I can’t help thinking on this one, someone who believes in some self-loathing fashion that they *are* a pathetic little faggot might which to project on others that they’ve said that about them.
I’m not aware that I’ve called Kendra “a bad drag queen” — gosh, that sounds like something Joshua would say. I do fight Kendra on her communist politics to the hilt, however. Kendra is one of the transgender police you find in SL, who believe that all definitions of gender and transgender must pass through her comrades’ committee. I reject that kind of bullshit. You have to. Gender is free. Thank God for that.
JD
Apr 7th, 2007
Prok, I just gotta know, do you have your kids calling you mom or dad?
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 7th, 2007
“I’m not an excessive drinker, I barely drink at all”
Right, that’s why in the flickr photoset from your first ESC party crash you’ve got a different alcoholic beverage in all the photos taken of you.
Were you asked to hold the FIC’s drinks while they took photographs to discredit you? Please.
I saw how much you drank with my own eyes. Your attacks on Aimee are unwarranted; it’s you who’s the alcoholic.
And you’re a woman. Not transgendered. Just crazy.
Anonymous
Apr 7th, 2007
Right, that’s why in the flickr photoset from your first ESC party crash you’ve got a different alcoholic beverage in all the photos taken of you.
? This is like 2 photos perhaps? 3? Links? And…that’s excessive drinking lol? I think Joshua need to readdress the envelope to himself and his little friends from Second Citizen, who “drink and drive” on forums and inworld constantly.
>Were you asked to hold the FIC’s drinks while they took photographs to discredit you? Please.
I wasn’t aware that the ESC people were taking photos to discredit me, I think they were just taking photos of everybody at the Meet-up — which I don’t view as “ESC” since all kinds of people come to it and contribute to it.
>I saw how much you drank with my own eyes. Your attacks on Aimee are unwarranted; it’s you who’s the alcoholic.
My comments on Aimee are appropriate. Among the things I’ve pointed out is her casual and risky attitude toward heavy drinking and blogging.
There’s little that anyone would find trustworthy from anything coming from Joshua, certainly not “his own eyes”. People who attended these events can see how much I drink and what I drink, and they know the truth. I’m not the alcholic or problem drinker here; evidently Joshua and his friends are, and apparently feel very ashamed of that fact, such as to lash out against others.
>And you’re a woman. Not transgendered. Just crazy.
Prokofy is he. I’m the most sane person on this thread.
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 7th, 2007
It was more than three, but by your own statements against Aimee, three drinks (which she never consumed) is a sign of alcoholism.
You’re a drunk, a psychopath, a woman, and an abusive person.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 7th, 2007
>Right, that’s why in the flickr photoset from your first ESC party crash you’ve got a different alcoholic beverage in all the photos taken of you.
This is like 2 photos of me perhaps? LOL! Links? And…that’s excessive drinking lol? I think Joshua need to readdress the envelope to himself and his little friends from Second Citizen, who “drink and drive” on forums and inworld constantly, to their shame.
>Were you asked to hold the FIC’s drinks while they took photographs to discredit you? Please.
I wasn’t aware that the ESC people were taking photos to discredit me, I think they were just taking photos of everybody at the Meet-up — which I don’t view as “ESC” since all kinds of people come to it and contribute to it.
>I saw how much you drank with my own eyes. Your attacks on Aimee are unwarranted; it’s you who’s the alcoholic.
My comments on Aimee are appropriate. Among the things I’ve pointed out is her casual and risky attitude toward heavy drinking and blogging.
There’s little that anyone would find trustworthy from anything coming from Joshua, certainly not “his own eyes”. People who attended these events can see how much I drink and what I drink, and they know the truth. Joshua imagines if someone is standing at a bar talking to someone while holding the same drink, or even just standing by the bar talking, they must be the heavy drinker he himself is.
I’m not the alcholic or problem drinker here; evidently Joshua and his friends are, and apparently feel very ashamed of that fact, such as to lash out against others.
>And you’re a woman. Not transgendered. Just crazy.
Prokofy is he. I’m the most sane person on this thread.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 7th, 2007
>You’re a drunk, a psychopath, a woman, and an abusive person.
Hahah only in the hands of a mysogenist like Nightshade could calling someone “a woman” be an insult.
Prokofy Neva
Apr 7th, 2007
>Prok, I just gotta know, do you have your kids calling you mom or dad?
JD, I just gotta know: do you have kids yourself? I find most fucktards on forums don’t have kids, and are shorn of any sense of anything more important than themselves.
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 7th, 2007
“Hahah only in the hands of a mysogenist like Nightshade could calling someone “a woman” be an insult.”
You certainly seem to think it’s an insult, otherwise you wouldn’t be so ashamed of your birth gender.
“JD, I just gotta know: do you have kids yourself? I find most fucktards on forums don’t have kids, and are shorn of any sense of anything more important than themselves.”
Good job sidestepping the question!
Ordinal Malaprop
Apr 7th, 2007
This thread is a complete and utter disgrace.
JD
Apr 7th, 2007
Ya I didn’t think you would answer.
You got them calling you mom. Or mommy or mother or whatever. I just wanna know why. There something about the way you are that you wanna hide from your kids? You fraid all this shit gonna fuck them up?
You a woman to the public, you a woman to your children, you a woman to the law, and you a woman to your doctor.
Only use you have for this tranny shit is to throw it in the face of the internet peeps.
JD
Apr 7th, 2007
Yo ordinal, welcome to the second life herald! Home of the prokites.
Joshua Nightshade
Apr 7th, 2007
“This thread is a complete and utter disgrace.”
I completely agree; don’t you and your friends feel ashamed of yourselves for propping Prokofy up all this time instead of acknowledging her issues so that she might’ve finally gone to get help?
Artemis Fate
Apr 7th, 2007
“I don’t claim to be a medical professional; I don’t issue Internet diagnoses; I don’t tell people to “get help” in some bullying, non-compassionate way like “Sunshine” does. I’m not an Internet doctor.” -Prokofy
Prokofy just before saying this:
“I would suggest if we’re going to bat around “diagnoses” that you consider that YOU YOURSELF suffer from narcissism and borderline personality disorder traits”
Prokofy just after saying this:
“I’ve always found it curious that some of the more disturbed gay males, obviously with some kind of broken childhoods or bad experiences, lead them to being hateful, mysogenist, and the most intolerant of the transgendered female in SL.”
“Plastic Duck really did call my house, and he’s bragged about it repeatedly on SC, in case you missed the memo (read “Gene Replacement’s” posts). He really did reach my child and have the temerity to question her about me. That really is stalking in real life. And I really view this as an assault. It’s not a club over the head but it’s an assault nonetheless.”
Wow, you must get assaulted and stalked quite a lot a day, if a person making one telephone call qualifies for that, I hope the police didn’t laugh too much at you when you presumably told them, after all that’s what a person would do when they legitimately consider it assault and stalking.
“I guess that’s why I have so many readers lol.”
Yeah, and how many of them agree with what you say? You have a lot of readers, no denying that, freak-shows often get lots of attention like that. Urizenus knows this, told me this when you signed on, you’re a freak show signed into SL Herald to attract viewers, wants you to yell, scream, shout, swear, insult, and all that magic you do to bring tons of hits to the site. People come, they either argue against you, or just show your article to their friends so they can all have a good laugh at the crazy cat lady as Urizenus put it.
“It’s not done in the mean, vindictive spirit of most people who can’t seem to rise to the occasion here, call a liar for what they are — an Internet histrionics case — and condemn him. Joshua is a creepy stalker with an unhappy childhood and evidently an even unhappier adult life. He passes around pictures of people’s doors in RL, he bombards forums with reports of ‘sitings’ of them, takes their RL picture, defaces it in obscene ways, and continues to obsess and obsess.”
So if you’re tacking all these exaggerated stories on people who disagree with you to make your case seem sympathetic and to support that you are somehow the victim of all these vicious attacks spewing forth from that rotten gullet you call a mouth, what have I done to you that you haven’t done right back to me? I haven’t defaced any of your real life pictures, “stalked” you in RL, to be polite, I even refer to you as a “he”. When our debates first started, I was completely polite, a courtesy you did not return, since then dealing with you swearing and insulting me constantly, I’ve sworn and insulted back, knowing full well that it means nothing. So what bullying and harassing have I done to you that you haven’t done right back to me huh?
“I’m the most sane person on this thread.”
People who are mentally always think they’re sane, they just think everyone else is crazy.