Are Furries Doomed?
by Pixeleen Mistral on 21/07/07 at 1:28 pm
Fallout from enforcing bans on “Broadly Offensive” behavior may threaten furry avatars
by Cinnamon Twist, spicy reporter
Can furries yiff without being offensive?
Great Britain had many rules on the books for many years that it didn’t enforce in the American colonies. They were there, sure, but they were largely ignored. When Britain started to enforce rules in order to make the colonies more profitable, the colonists rebelled. Is this the fate of Second Life’s residents with regard to the notorious “broadly offensive” clause in the TOS?
In a recent article by the Herald’s award winning syndicated advice columnist Heartun Breaker, a reader asked Where do I find animals in Second Life who want to play animals… and play with me as I am?
The answer brings us to a string of even more interesting questions – some not which could be not safe for work.
Where do I find animals in Second Life who want to play animals… and play with me as I am?
The answer to that is, of course, everywhere one looks in Second Life. As the Lindens look to clean up the “broadly offensive” behavior that has been allowed to grow and develop unchecked since 2003, one of the many questions that will surely be raised involves the line between Furries and bestiality.
mounting evidence of virtual bestiality?
Most Furries in Second Life have adopted the classic “anthropomorphic” animal, like a cartoon animal. The Lindens even offer such an avatar as one of the basic shapes you can choose when you are born in Second Life. If one uses such an avatar, and one has sexual congress with another avatar, either human or furry, is that bestiality?
straw poll indicates some SL players will cross species boundaries
More to the point of the original question posed, what if someone looks for an avatar that looks less like a cartoon and more like a real animal? With some shopping, one can find avatars that will turn one into an anatomically correct dog or horse. Having sex with one of these creatures for real in many US states and foreign countries is a crime. Certainly many people find the idea of coupling with a dog or horse to be offensive. Will these avatars soon be banned? Can we logically assume that if the realistic animal costumes are banned then a case can be made to ban all furries in order to avoid the “gray area” that would ensue should the Lindens choose to ban “realistic” animal avatars?
In many shops, people are able to buy animal props, with poses and animations, that allow them to simulate sex with dogs and horses. These “animals,” though they look realistic enough, are merely sexual props; no more real than a ‘dildo’ or a sexual pose ball. Having sex with animals, or appearing to have sex with animals, however, is far more offensive than using traditional sex toys, so do they need to be banned? If so, how do we differentiate them from the other sex toys?
Where will the community draw the line with regard to “broadly offensive”? Will dildos, sexgen beds and Furries soon be a thing of the past?
Furry
Jul 23rd, 2007
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
mootykips
Jul 23rd, 2007
if it was an enjoyment of anthromorphism you’d be joining a bloody Disney fan club not masturbating to badly-drawn pictures of animals fucking each other.
you furries are even worse at trying to cover up the fact that you want to fuck animals than Tizzers was at covering up her strategy with WU.
Shava Nerad/Shava Suntzu in SL
Jul 23rd, 2007
Man, I turn 48 this week, and I am old enough to remember these same arguments being spewed over miscegenation (life partnership between humans of different races) and homosexuality (partnership between humans of the same sex). Both have been compared to animal sex, bestial sex. And both attracted the kind of hate that I’m reading above.
Now, furry sex may look more to you like bestiality, but your grandparents thought sex between a black man and a white woman looked just as brutal and abusive and uncivilized (and compared it to sex with animals). Yiff is not bestiality, any more than having sex with someone wearing vampire fangs is necrophilia. A vampire, in literature, is not a dead body, but a magical creature of fantasy. Anthropomorphic animals (or Animorphic humans?) are fantasy creatures, not animals. And none of them doing anything in SL harms anything in the real world.
It’s time for people to grow up and realize that victimless crimes (those between consenting adults) are not worth prosecuting.
If you want to argue that there is coercion in furry sex, I want to hear the argument. There are no individuals involved who haven’t exercised their judgement, which is more than I can say for some of the posters involved in this hateful trash.
As a note, I don’t do pixel sex, I’ve *never* done anything sexual with furries, I sometimes wear neko ears and a tail and a fox skin *over a totally human shape*, but I wear it as a fashion statement, not a fetish — does that make me even more perverse? This shot (http://www.sluniverse.com/pics/pic.aspx?id=179911&sort=Pictures.PictureID&Name=Shava+Suntzu)
was used on a national TV news show on Canadian TV to show off Second Life fashion. It’s just not a big deal to anyone outside SL that people wear fur.
Now, you will in fact find the same problems — maybe more — with the club scene in SL. So blow up the furry scene in the media, and you will find the laws of every country coming into SL and shutting down everything. I mean gosh, what *tax* laws are we in danger of ducking? If women can’t drive in Saudi Arabia, should they be allowed to *fly* in SL?
Better get a life and a more tolerant attitude before the big people come in and take it all away, little boyz.
Shava
Revolutionary
Jul 23rd, 2007
Why the hell is someone posing as my beloved leader above? I swear to god Mootykips, the leader of PN did *NOT* post that crap about furry sex being ok. SLH fools. Ticked off because we crashed your HQ today? Here’s a story for you, B**Tch gets pwned by screaming ninja turtle as it pins her against a hill. She swears, threatens to call the police, kill my family,etc,etc, while I laughed so hard I shat myself, literally. Then she pops back as we spam out jell-owned and pools closed textures, and uleash our new replicating, notecard spamming weapons codenamed ‘fagbot’, saying ‘Orbit Polsky’, ‘Trap Polsky’, right before I finaly laugh at her and crash the sim. The End. Fags.
Elliott Eldrich
Jul 23rd, 2007
I’m a furry in SL, and also the owner of six islands, and three profitable businesses. In fact, I make my RL living in SL. Allow me to take a moment to address some of the malformed ideas presented in the comments I’ve read here.
First, regarding “furfags”. Sorry Charlie, I’m straight as a plank. Never been gay, never will be gay. Just don’t swing that way. Sorry to pop that little bubble. Do I have a problem with gay people? No. Am I gay? No. Hopefully that helps clear up that particular misconception.
Second, regarding “beastiality”. I’ve found that a LOT of women are attracted to me and my avvie in SL. Is it the fact that I’m a furry, or does it have anything to do with the fact that I’m polite, well spoken, kind, helpful, capable and successful? Who knows, but I think perhaps my personality has just a little something to do with that.
Third, why did I become a furry? Mainly because after my first couple of weeks in SL and watching all the guys who bulked up their avvies with giant fake muscles, tattoos, facial hair, shoulders from here to Cleveland, with guns and crap hanging off of them in a parody of an Arnold Schwarznegger wet dream, I decided to instead go short, cute and furry. See, I’m secure enough in my sexuality to not have to need to dress myself up like something from the cover of “Gay Bodybuilders Fantasy World” magazine. Funny how that works, eh? Also, being as SL is a fantasy world, I decided to do something different with my avvie, instead of being a clone of some Hollywood movie star. Boy, I guess that must make me some kind of freak! How DARE I want to be something other than what this society says is appealing? Oh NO, could I be thinking for myself? How frightening! How totally unacceptable, someone who doesn’t subscribe to the program pushed down our throats by corporate media conglomerates! I must be some kind of heretic! Oh no!
Fourth, last and certainly not least, by being furry I can distance myself somewhat from the rest of the human race, you know, the ones who seem to derive so much power and pleasure from hating everyone and everything that is different from themselves. Golly, why would I want to provide any distance between myself and the lovely, loving and truly wonderful humans on this planet? Gee, just can’t imagine.
If Descartes lived today, he wouldn’t say “I think, therefore I am”, he’d look around at the population of the planet nowadays and opine “I hate, therefore I am”.
Lisae Boucher
Jul 24th, 2007
Quote: But there’s easy ways to prevent that: make sure the man of the house asserts his dominance.
What man? Why does there have to be a man in the house anyways? Don’t you think we women can’t handle dogs without men?
Quote: The example of the dog raping the teddybear is in this context unneeded
But how about that dog that sodomized a 2 year old?
Quote: It’s PIXELS and NOT RL. If you have problems seperating RL from a game, go have your head examined.
Yep. However, people in general worry that others will start having some crazy ideas about just those pixels. Which is why there are people demanding a ban on all violent games and even want to have them banned for all adults. It’s just that there’s no reliable research that shows the effect of such images on the human mind.
Quote: if you want to take the approach that “it’ll lead people to try it in real life!”, then you’ll have to ban all the video games where you shoot people
But aren’t people trying that already? Actually, it’s something that’s already done in the USA. There are many shops that sell all kinds of computer games except those that are rated 18+. They effectively ban all 18+ material anyways since these shops are for the whole family. But that also means that when a game is published and it gets rated as an 18+ game, it won’t be easily available on the market. It has a huge impact on sales since it would only be available at some specialized shops.
So while the ban on violent games isn’t official, unofficially that ban already exists.
Quote: As a note, I don’t do pixel sex
Actually, I’ve tried it with my girlfriend. Me behind my computer, she behind hers. Didn’t really work out so well. We ended up in our real-life bed pretty fast since well… We were only a few meters apart to begin with. RL sex is so much more interesting anyways…
Magnus
Jul 24th, 2007
Good riddens to bad rubbish
mootykips
Jul 24th, 2007
Revolutionary, you idiot, the comment is above the name.
Now time to pull a Prok. Insert random Soviet phrase here!
“Man, I turn 48 this week, and I am old enough to remember these same arguments being spewed over miscegenation (life partnership between humans of different races) and homosexuality (partnership between humans of the same sex). Both have been compared to animal sex, bestial sex. And both attracted the kind of hate that I’m reading above.”
Why not just bring up Hitler and bring in Godwin’s Law while you’re at it? Spoiler: you wanting to fuck animals or humans in animal costumes is not equivalent to the gay rights movement or acceptance of interracial relationships. Saying that is a disservice to all those that fought for those causes.
“Now, furry sex may look more to you like bestiality, but your grandparents thought sex between a black man and a white woman looked just as brutal and abusive and uncivilized (and compared it to sex with animals).”
See above.
“Yiff is not bestiality, any more than having sex with someone wearing vampire fangs is necrophilia.”
That’s a red herring. Having sex with somebody with a pretend gunshot wound and fake blood all over them is more appropriate of an analogy, and if somebody did that you’d rightly think they’re more than a bit messed up in the head.
“A vampire, in literature, is not a dead body, but a magical creature of fantasy. Anthropomorphic animals (or Animorphic humans?) are fantasy creatures, not animals. And none of them doing anything in SL harms anything in the real world.”
“I want to rape somebody, but it’s fantasy, OK?” I forgot, that analogy isn’t fantastical anymore, it’s what the Goreans do. Claiming fantasy doesn’t make your stupid fetishes any less telling to your perhaps closeted sexual fetishes (i.e. bestiality).
“It’s time for people to grow up and realize that victimless crimes (those between consenting adults) are not worth prosecuting.”
I agree! Next time I try to arrest you and bring federal prosecutors to charge you with felonies, you can go ahead and quote me on that. However, if you mean prosecute you as in “make fun of you repeatedly while firing thousands of toruses inside your FurNation pyramid”, it is worth it because it’s loving hilarious.
“If you want to argue that there is coercion in furry sex, I want to hear the argument. There are no individuals involved who haven’t exercised their judgement, which is more than I can say for some of the posters involved in this hateful trash.”
Did I claim that there wasn’t? No, you have two (disturbed) consenting teenagers..err..I mean “adults” (because SL is age verified right?), that want to have animal sex with each other. At least there’s consent involved. Right.
“As a note, I don’t do pixel sex, I’ve *never* done anything sexual with furries, I sometimes wear neko ears and a tail”
That’s called a “catgirl” and that’s not furry. Over at EBAUMSWORLD.COM we have a chart for this very thing: http://macrochan.org/get.py?sha1=EQOTRTH76VRPOQJVXHAEXUGEVK3T7ZMO (i trust this link will be scanned by SLH editorial staff, I’m not trying to sneak a goatse on anyone)
“and a fox skin *over a totally human shape*, but I wear it as a fashion statement, not a fetish — does that make me even more perverse?”
Depends on what you do with it.
“This shot (http://www.sluniverse.com/pics/pic.aspx?id=179911&sort=Pictures.PictureID&Name=Shava+Suntzu)
was used on a national TV news show on Canadian TV to show off Second Life fashion. It’s just not a big deal to anyone outside SL that people wear fur.”
Who cares?
“Now, you will in fact find the same problems — maybe more — with the club scene in SL. So blow up the furry scene in the media, and you will find the laws of every country coming into SL and shutting down everything. I mean gosh, what *tax* laws are we in danger of ducking? If women can’t drive in Saudi Arabia, should they be allowed to *fly* in SL?”
Are you seriously saying that because people run around in fursuits it will become a federal crime? That’s extremely unlikely but would be pretty awesome.
“Better get a life and a more tolerant attitude before the big people come in and take it all away, little boyz.”
Yeah, damn Lindens and their banning us hundreds of times only to be thwarted by third-party software! They’ll shut us down pretty hard man.
Anonymous
Jul 24th, 2007
“Why the hell is someone posing as my beloved leader above? I swear to god Mootykips, the leader of PN did *NOT* post that crap about furry sex being ok.”
Ehm, dude… That’s NOT what he said. Lern 2 read, PNfag.
NobodyImportant
Jul 24th, 2007
SecondLulz Vigilante wrote the following:
“Griefing them just gives a martyr complex and makes them even worse than before.”
There’s one critical point you missed, though – Furries have had a martyr/persecution complex since their “fandom” was created. Drama ensues between furry factions and it ensues when they tried to force everyone to accept their shitty porn. When people resisted and said “Fuck no, your porn sucks”, they screamed “fursecution” and equated themselves to Jews. But this, this is an old story. You should know this already.
“A Zebra” wrote:
As if it’s not bad enough most furries seriously believe they are an ‘animal trapped in a human body’, now you’re trying to justify having inter-species sex with a dog.
*facepalm*
Coincidental Avatar
Jul 24th, 2007
And how about sex with Plastic Duck?
Lisae Boucher
Jul 24th, 2007
Well, I wonder… What about robot-sex where people take the shape of robots and have sex? What about smurf-sex where people color themselves blue, wear white hats and drop their white pants every time? What about generic fantasy sex where dwarves and elves F*** their brains out? Or Harry-Potter sex where some goblin has sex with Voldemort? Or Star-wars sex where Princess Leia uses her strap-on on a Wookie avatar?
Personally, I don’t care about this since it’s pixel-fantasy. Or dress-up fantasy when people just buy some costumes and dress up. It does become different when people start having sex with real animals, though. So are we sure this furry sex within Second Life will encourage to misuse animals in real life?
As I’ve said before, we still don’t know what effects playing videogames have on the human mind. Some people think it will increase the risk of abuse. Others will claim it actually reduces the amount of abuse. And both will provide lots of valid reasons to prove their point, yet none of it is conclusive.
So, for now the majority rules since this is a democracy. Those who are in favor of furries in Second Life, move to starboard. Those who are against, move to the port side. And if you’re undecided you can stand here with me…
Anonymous
Jul 24th, 2007
“if somebody did that you’d rightly think they’re more than a bit messed up in the head.”
The problem is, everyone thinks that whatever is outside their own comfort zone is indicative of being ‘messed up in the head.’
Personally, I think devoting tons of energy and passion to going ‘ew! ew!’ over someone else’s sexual fantasies (as long as they aren’t attempting to involve you in them) is a pretty good indication that someone might want to spend a bit of time on a therapist’s couch. Either you have a highly boring sex life, or one that’s so messed up you can’t bear to focus your attention there.
But even being thoroughly convinced that you ain’t quite right, I don’t see much purpose in leaping from that belief to feeling justified in banning you from anything. So you’re messed up in the head…. join the herd.
The only time I have ever, in a year in SL, actually graphically seen furry sex is in the Herald. It’s entirely possible to have an active rich SLife complete with sex without having to be witness to anything that might distress your fragile little mindset. If this is not your experience, find more comfortable places in SL to spend your time or… oh, here’s an idea… stop seeking it out. That may be a latency issue.
LoneSoviet
Jul 24th, 2007
FURRIES WERE NEVER SAFE AROUND THE PN. LONG LIVE PN! LONG LIVE PC!
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Pete Childs
Jul 25th, 2007
if people don’t like it they will play some other game or they can limit it to a certain area no reason to ban this really i mean… come on!
Boing Boing
Jul 25th, 2007
Smorgasbord of short links
Kanye West’s new video stars Zach “I’m not your dancing monkey” Galifianakis, dancing on a tractor: Video Link. Burning questions in Second Life: “Can furries yiff without being offensive?” Link. Beware the terrorists of Al-Gouda: presumed bad guys ca…
Crimson Prudhomme
Jul 25th, 2007
I think this SLH article needs to be modded down as ‘Flamebait -1′
Seriously. SLH is being silly by lumping an entire community (a large community, really) where most members actions are no stranger than your average adult SL player, in with the sort of deviant, out there groups that most of us refuse to associate with.
SLH might as well write an article about how all humans are offensive because surely, ALL of them MUST like watersports…
andy
Jul 25th, 2007
What the hell is with this furry stuff? It’s bad enough to have fake sex in second life as a human, let alone a furry. I got into Second Life for a while and it was ok fun (until they zapped all my stuff I spent hours and $$ on).
What I never understood was virtual sex. Are people such losers they can’t have sex in the real world? What do you get out of watching a stupid animation having sex? It’s beyond me. Add furry and it’s just another level on the loser ladder.
I think people who have fake sex as an animal or not are just wearing a big sign that says “I’m a socially retarded perv who hasn’t showered in 5 days and can’t leave my mom’s basement”. I say dump the furries, only because they scare other people away. Maybe not dump, maybe exclude them to “dweeb island” or something.
I don’t get it.
Never will.
Anonymous
Jul 25th, 2007
So what’s next? Declare having sex while wearing a Halloween mask to be illegal? No RL sex with hairy people?
Avatar sex isn’t real sex, and an avatar animal controlled by a human being is in no way an “animal”.
Just about the only argument you could possibly make is that SL sex with furries increases the propensity for bestiality in RL; but there is no evidence at all for that. And even if it did, so what? As a culture that abuses and slaughters billions of animals every year, why should anybody give a damn?
Draconum
Jul 25th, 2007
Given that zoophiles and furries are not the same group (yes, whether the trolls can believe it or not, it doesn’t really matter, as its not those people that create reality around here), I don’t really know how furries got dragged into the whole mess to begin with.
Certainly there is are people who are interested in both but, are isn’t there always overlap of some groups? Gays (or blacks, etc.) and republicans? Geeks and football fans? Trekkies and Star Wars fans? Hell, if we’re going to go that route, let’s just associate everybody on earth, however remotely, to every group on the planet, and every group to each other. Bonus points if you can ‘Six Degrees to Kevin Bacon’ yourself to furry fandom.
And my little itty bitty comment about SL: If two people want to partake in what is, essentially, a visualized thought exchange that affects no one else… how can you possibly stop them or even ask them to stop? Should it also be illegal to TALK about such subjects as well? Imagine if you got arrested because you were talking to another adult, pretending that they were a child. That’s the same as if you arrested two people for talking to each other… pretending that they’re animals. That’s kind of ridiculous.
Robert Dobbs
Jul 25th, 2007
As I understand shariah (sp?) (muslim) law, It is o.k. for a man to have sex with an animal as long as he does not then eat said animal. In Lybia, a man can have sex with sheep and camels as long as they are female.
Robert Dobbs
Jul 25th, 2007
Ooh, ooh, I hit post befor I got into the whole discussion about banning shape shifting greek god avitars because I stroke it while reading Leda and the swan.
zale
Jul 25th, 2007
The difference between acceptable and unacceptable in sex is a matter of consent.
Animals cannot give consent. They do not have the mental capability to give informed consent to a sexual act with a human therefore it is unacceptable.
Furries (and any adult in Second Life) on the other hand CAN give informed consent to sexual behaviour and acts and therefore should be seen as acceptable – no matter how realistic or anthropomorphic their avatar is.
It’s never about what the outside looks like; it’s about the brain inside.
Anonymous
Jul 25th, 2007
I know of at least three Linden employees who’re furries. Not just greeters and playground monitors, either – programmers.
chromal brodsky
Jul 25th, 2007
It’s pretty disappointing to see Boingboing give this poorly-constructed “article” mindshare time. By the shaky logic presented, the US should consider banning all animals from its borders because they can be fucked, and folks playing D&D should be prosecuted for the crimes they virtually commit during a fantasy campaign.
Also, anyone who bothers to conduct some very preliminary fact-finding will see that furry sex, or any kind of sex, is hardly pervasive or universal on SL. Sure, it’s there if you look for it. So… is this article about secondlife, or the fetishes of its author? Lame.
Ekayvoo
Jul 25th, 2007
Lol.
That’s, like, total crap.
lololitadesudesu~~
Jul 25th, 2007
lol SLers
Why are you all so afraid of and enraged at yiffing and furries or yiffing furries? People who like to be feral might be questionable and suspicious, but come on, anthro furries just like to do it in the butt with others dressed up as anthro furries. I guarantee you that you will not find them out trying to rape a horse or a dog unless said horse or dog resembles a humanlike cartoon with a humanlike personality and mind. If you wanna be ignorant and assume things anyway, then do your thing and promote a prudish restrictive virtual world where everyone lives in the “golden age” of the 1950s when the husband and father is the master of the house and all women live in the kitchen until death; where fundamentalist christian values rule over any sort of humanity and where the soul is extinguished in favor of hard work and labor. While you’re at it, assume all of SL BDSM is cruel dominant mistresses enslaving whole regions on a whim and mercilessly breaking the bodies and minds of innocent boys and girls. Regardless of what furries do and what they are and aren’t, they’re still lulzy dramatic furfags, and should be kept around for amusement and cheap thrills. Banning furries is pointless, and censoring them is pointless too. Just leave them alone and let them do their thing, but warn them that it must stay in SL or in private or else they’re getting jell-OWNED in a cell, fursuit and all. FALCON PUNCH! YES! PUUUUUUNCH!
Anonymous
Jul 25th, 2007
exterminate the furfags and the disbelievers with them
Freaky Lynx
Jul 25th, 2007
Need I make the observation that this is not sex with animals. I mean come on, is there a dog on the other side of that computer screen who is controlling his dog avatar and having sex with girls? No. It’s a human being – anyone who doesn’t understand that… well, maybe they do need laws and rules to keep from hurting themselves. Sex with animals is wrong because their not sentient, they cannot make decisions or voice consent – but as I stated earlier, these are human beings in digital costumes consenting.
This whole thing is a game, and like all games – people use it to play out their fantasies, some of which are not so PG. This rule seems more about thought control than anything else.
Lupe
Jul 26th, 2007
For those wanting to ban things on the chance that they may lead to real life issues in the future I welcome you to the general mindset of America where people purchase insurance and do everything and anything they can to protect themselves against a sue happy society. A society ruled by fear mongering and manipulated by sensationalism, religious based law and bloated statistics and lies.
Now if you want secondlife to become the same sorta place then support bans on certain activities and squak and gripe about them and allow the morallity police to come in and remove your means of escapism. Because that is all that second life is, an escape from real life. As for this furry sex looking like beastiallity all I see is two players and one happened to chose a furry avatar and the other chose to be a human of some sort and they are both atop a pose bubble.
Lisae Boucher
Jul 26th, 2007
Quote: As I understand shariah (sp?) (muslim) law, It is o.k. for a man to have sex with an animal as long as he does not then eat said animal.
As the Ayatollah has apparently said: “A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. If he penetrates and the child is harmed then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however would not count as one of his four permanent wives”.
If you look at Islam or other religions, I notice so many rules and exceptions to those rules that they can be used to approve or disapprove any kind of misbehavior. Which means that any laws based on religious values isn’t worth the paper that they’re printed upon. Laws must be out of common sense and should be used to make sure people can live in harmony with one another, free of any abuse of offense.
Religion can teach us some valuable lessons about morality, though. And can be used as a start for discussions about what is and isn’t offensive. But turning religious values into laws is just oppression. Having religion control any laws means restricting the freedom of especially those people who disagree with said religion.
Quote: Animals cannot give consent. They do not have the mental capability to give informed consent to a sexual act with a human therefore it is unacceptable.
Yeah, but having your teddybear or 2 year old toddler violated by a real dog is not something the toddler or teddybear consented to either. Even though an animal won’t easily give content, many male animals can be quite willing to have sex with humans with little training. The only problem is that sex for animals isn’t just pleasure but also some signs of dominance. Thus, an animal trained to have sex with humans can become dangerous for humans when he wants to have sex again.
But dogs will just ride your leg when they’re in that mood…
In SL, as said often before, the furries aren’t there to resemble real animals in most cases. They are there to be extremely exotic. I myself would just choke on a virtual hairball when thinking about furry avatar sex but others seem to enjoy it. Since it’s not about sex with animals but sex with something exotic, I just chose not to approve or disapprove it.
Designuki
Jul 26th, 2007
Stepping back and taking a nice, deep breath might be good.
Repeat after me: If you don’t like a certain kink, JUST DON’T DO IT. What is this crap about going ape nuts bonkers on someone just because you think they have weird tendencies? Do you think it makes you bigger or better, somehow? Do you think it makes you cool? Guess what: IT DOESN’T. It makes you look like an intolerant jackass, is what it does.
Not all furries are in it for sex. Others most definitely are. I won’t apologize for that. You see, we humans who play furries have this little thing called a “libido”. We also have this other little thing called an “imagination”. We don’t have any exclusive rights to either, nor do we (overall) have a particularly outstanding degree of either.
However, when the libido and the imagination join forces, amazing things can happen. Things that simply can NOT happen in real life. Did you know the most potent sex organ of all is the one that lies between the ears? Those furs who engage in furry sex roleplay definitely do. (That’s not to say that furry sex RP is necessarily highly creative. I’ve seen the gamut, from lame one-liners to stuff almost worthy of literary awards.)
So, some furries like to exercise that big, honkin’ sex organ between their ears. And lots more? DON’T. For many furs, it really IS about expressing their personality by way of an animal avatar, or about simply enjoying art involving intelligent animal/animal-like characters. And for those who do? More power to them.
But you won’t ever hear that from the lamebrained “yiff in Hell, furfags” bunch. They’re too busy hating to shift their brains out of neutral.
mootykips
Jul 27th, 2007
not really. we wouldn’t have a problem with you furfags if you:
a. didn’t invade internet communities like 4chan, post your furry porn everywhere disruptively then cry when someone tells you to GTFO and that nobody wants to see it.
b. didn’t cause drama everywhere you go
c. didn’t proclaim that you were a furry in a completely unrelated context, then bitch when someone rightly tells you that no, “furry”ism is not an ‘appreciation of anthromorphic characters’, it’s a fucked up SEXUAL fetish people brand themselves as to join with other losers to feel normal, similar to self-diagnoses of Asperger’s syndrome
d. weren’t total lol-cows (see a. and c.). One word: “fursecution”.
e. following up on the Prokofy-esque conspiracy to brand the “furry fandom” as a non-sexual one, things like Anthrocon that mislead the public and serve as a physical (as opposed to digital) invasion.
You invade Anonymous’ home, we try to fight you off there, it doesn’t work due to the way futaba works. So now we’re taking you on here. you attack our home, we attack yours. don’t like it? Too bad, you prompted it.
lastly, you have a right to be or do whatever you want. You do not have the right to stop others from making fun of you because of it. The fact that you dress up in animal costumes and want to sodomize each other is pretty fucking weird, but the fact that you plan entire conventions about it and actually want to do it OUT of the Internet is even weirder. Have you ever seen ScatCon? WatersportsCon? BBWCon? No: because people with those particular kinks rightly keep them in the sexual context they belong in. It’s only this twisted rationalization of “liking (in a non-sexual way) anthromorphic characters” that is so convenient and so particular to furries because pretty much everyone sees these things (from Mickey Mouse cartoons to football games).
ditrysanchez
Jul 27th, 2007
I think this furfaggotry has to come to an end now. I’m getting sick of walking around in SL seeing you furfags haveing e-sex in the middle of an open sim and acting all “cute” because you think being a furry means you can get away with it. The PN is here to deal with what LL is reluctant to do. The PN will win, lulz for us and doomzday for you.
SLAddict
Jul 27th, 2007
It’s disgusting to see how easily anti-furry griefers type the word “fag” e.g. as in “fur-fag” in this blog and other forums… an epithet representing intolerance, hate, and violence towards GLBTs. I’m surprised they also haven’t appended racial epithets but then again that wouldn’t win them much popular support in a public forum (instead they whisper to themselves “better keep the n-word and other slurs for our private “lulz”). The griefers think “OMFG Nooo we can’t say “fur-n*****rs” in public (cuz we might lose recruits). fur-fags is ok. We gotta stick to harassing minority groups or your innocent SL bystanders, all the while using imagery with a racist intent (not necessarily a racist image) like jello’d cosbies (which will confuse the naive while appealing to racists) and indoctrinate a new generation of white robes.” The fact that many anti-furries also happen to hate the GLBTs community is no coincidence. Griefers operating in the guise of getting kicks out of “just” crashing furry sims are actually indoctrinating another generation of degenerates.
And no. SL is not just a game. There are many who treat SL like a game, there are many who do not, and then their are pathetic griefers who make it a game of harassing and assaulting others and spreading hatred and bigotry. It’s the same argument by those before you who said “it’s just a tv show, it’s just a video game, sticks and stones…” Like cinematic tv and film before it, SLs and the VWs like them are powerful communications mediums. Ask any parent whose kids are “just playing a video game” what the think when their kid gets hyper, aggressive, curses into the headset at another player, starts developing behavioral problems, etc. It’s not “just tv”, “just a video game”, “just words” or “just sl”. So for you fraks who think violence in SL is “not real” and that your lulz don’t actually emotionally hurt some of your victims, someone should take a frakin RL bat to your heads. Then again, YOU KNOW THAT ALREADY AND YOU ENJOY being violent sexist racist homophobes and indoctrinating others into your morally bankrupt world.
P.S. What’s racist about self-replicating pictures of Bill Cosby Jello ads … well what’s racially offensive depends on context and subject(s). For example, one black man might say to another black man “yo wassup nigga”. Here the use of the n-word could be a way of reappropriating of the epithet from its use by racists; used by someone ignorant of the black civil rights movement; … and even in the Black/African American community, the use of the n-word is subject to debate. Point is, if YOU are not black, i wouldn’t suggest going up to a black man and calling him “nigga”. So you think the griefers’ typists are actually blacks displaying pictures of a beloved American pop culture figure or more likely non-blacks using it as a racist prop. My take, if your not black, your not allowed to use the n-word or use pictures of blacks as griefing props. “THAT’S RACIST”. So think about it, griefers just happen to get kicks out of the harassment of others and just happen to use the image of a black man as a griefing prop? WAKE UP PEOPLE.
lolfurfags
Jul 28th, 2007
My god, you people are all retarded. You sit there dressed like animals so you can “yiff” each other, all while paying the faggots at Linden Labs hundreds per month. Well I’ll tell you where you can yiff – IN HELL. PN will be sure to give you a one-way ticket there.
mootykips
Jul 28th, 2007
“So for you fraks who think violence in SL is “not real” and that your lulz don’t actually emotionally hurt some of your victims, someone should take a frakin RL bat to your heads.”
THE INTERNET IS FUCKING SERIOUS BUSINESS. AND SO IS CYBERSEXOND LIFE. IF YOU ARE ATTACKED WITH FLYING BILL COSBY, YOU MUST IMMEDIATELY BLUDGEON PEOPLE WITH BASEBALL BATS.
archie lukas
Jul 29th, 2007
I’m afraid these images are more offensive than anything I’ve seen and I’m an open nudist with more that one sexual partner.
But what bugs me – is that I am a dog owner and animal rescue worker, everything from hedgehogs to Red Deer and doggies.
That is just plain offensive to the dogs involved.; by that I don’t mean the females underneath the furries (haha)
but the image of canines being bastardised by the sickies in fur.
Lisae Boucher
Jul 29th, 2007
I do wonder… If the furry looks like a dog, people are likely to be offended. But what if a furry looks like a wookie from Star Wars? Or some other hairy fantasy character?
Or what if they’re the shape of a dragon instead, with scales instead of fur? How abour the use of reptile shapes for something very similar as those furries?
Which reminds me, there are many erotic shows all over this world where a woman performs with a snake in her arms. A bit like a reference to Eve in Paradise near the tree with the forbidden fruit. But when people see a female stripper dancing around with a snake in her hands (preferably an albino boa) then no one seems to look at it as bestiality.
Snakes are cool, btw. Literally…
Anonymous
Jul 29th, 2007
are you serious.. really? I found it quite comical to read all the comments, thinkin to myself… “are you serious?” All I can say is “to each, their own”. If it don’t have a direct effect on me then why should I care? Lets not forget.. which was mentioned several times already.. Second Life is a virtual world.. when people start treating it like “real world” thats when I would start worrying.. personally the RL is pretty messed up so having the option to escape to SL is nice.. leave people alone and stay outta their biz!
WiseoleWeazel
Jul 29th, 2007
Are furs right? maybe
Are fur haters right? maybe
who gives a flying fuck? Nobody should
Keep your noses out of eachother business, enjoy your life and be happy
If you were to invade their privacy in real life, you be getting a call from the police, hmm maybe thats what should happen to all the nosey twats who spend more time thinking about nasty crap than the people they wrongly accuse
Smoke a joint and chill denizens of the globe
RedZergling
Jul 30th, 2007
but someday it WILL have an effect on you. This is what the PN fights for. A WORLD FREE OF FURFAGGOTRY
Wolf Tomorrow
Aug 4th, 2007
I am so SICK of all the furry haters! If you want to hate us and think we’re sick and twisted, than go do that somewhere ELSE with all your jackass friends. You don’t insult us, and we don’t kill and eat you. End of story.
Anonymous
Aug 4th, 2007
to ditrysanchez:
I think you are the only sane person here.
Wolf Tomorrow
Aug 4th, 2007
I AM SO OFFENDED BY FUR-HATERS!
Offense #1. Furfags: Are all furs gay? No. Are some gay? Yes, and the term fag is as EXCEEDINGLY OFFENSIVE as calling a black man the n-word.
Offense #2. Furry sex is beastiality: No. It is in no WAY beastiality, because it’s not even real. We may feel attraction to furries, but that’s just the same as you getting turned on by some anorexic slut wearing two strings as a bikini, just in a different way. (oops, sorry for the accidental hate, I had to get it out of my system)
Offense #3. Furries will burn in Hell: That’s just plain mean.
Offense #4. Yiff is disgusting and wrong: You may think so, but we don’t, and to scream this and other insults at us is emotionally hurtful. You may think, “Hey, it doesn’t matter, they’re not human like us”, but we ARE. So please, just stop insulting and bombarding us with anti-furry crap. But you won’t stop. You won’t FUCKING REST UNTIL ALL THE FURRIES ARE GONE! IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT? 20% OF THE WORLD’S POPULATION DEAD? YOU IGNORANT ASSHOLES! Okay, I’ve calmed down.
From An Irate Furry: Wolf Tomorrow
Anonymous
Aug 4th, 2007
I HATE FUCKING AMERICA! It’s a society based on fear, ignorance, homophobia, racism, and sue-happy idiots who live life to get money. That’s why Japan is awesome! Except for the insanely cute stuff…kind of gets on your nerves after a while. Back to America…doctors in America are paid per patient they REFUSE to give treatment to. WHAT THE FUCK!? And don’t get me started on the legal system, i’d be here until I was 40. And what does PN stand for? Personal Nullification (nullification means ignoring and excluding specific members of society, for you idiots that don’t understand)? We need to stop hating each other for differences and concentrate on one thing. The health of our planet! Earth has gone from a wonderful, green and blue paradise to an urban piece of shit. We need to get rid of our idiot Texan president (and I WON’T start a politics argument here) and elect someone who actually CARES about our planet, i.e., a non-corrupt one. For all those who agree with me, go to protests! Be a PART of something! Get a subscription to Popular Science (they have some REEEEALLY cool stuff in each issue)! GET A PRIUS! ….well, that last one might have gone too far. Who actually wants a Prius? Mmmmm….RX-7. And to WiseoleWeazel: You are a weasel, but you sure aren’t wise. Just stop all the homophobia, fur-hating, racism, and other hate crap and actually be CONSIDERATE for once in your insecure, hate-driven lives!
Yes Im a Furry
Aug 30th, 2007
Ok, just a simple example for thoose who hate furries and dont stop crying about
furries in second life.
Second Life is a virtual world, at the other side of the screen there is a human, just with a
furry avatar.
Now heres my question:
If a person using clothes that make him/her look like an animal have sex with another person, will
that be bestiality?
OF COURSE NO! Second Life is the same…. Thx
Anonymous
Sep 12th, 2007
BUMP
Spuds
Nov 2nd, 2007
What we need is a fucking act of CONGRESS to control you people….
LAWL
Nov 2nd, 2007
I LOL at everyone baawwwing about furry being a weird fetish.
Know why furries like to have sex?
Cause tehy’re humans, with a libido.
That they like to dress up as animals in every detail is, NEWSFLASH, unrelated.
Proof? many many furries that hate yiff, calling themselves burned furs.
Having a fox avatar, and liking sex is unrelated.
Also, I find it funny that all the channers come here to haet on furries, then later go back to wanking off on pictures of loli neko’s being raeped by tentacles…