The Alliance Navy – Banished & Forgotten?
by Alphaville Herald on 03/12/07 at 8:56 am
Merczateer accuses AN of spawnkilling, sithacking in response to riot shield testing in Dorien
by Fox Mulgrave, Military Correspondent
I have seen many strange things in my time in the Second Life military community, personal vendettas, operations such as Crucifix and Crucifix II and of course the infamous Emit Time scandal, however, they all seemed to have sense in them, a purpose and reason. What you are about to read however, is quite the opposite.
Militant Collective Commander Raideur Ng refuses to bow down
Wednesday night and I was trawling through my friends list looking for someone who may have a story to tell, I found hope from a friend in the Ordo Imperialis (formerly the Venuma Coalition and The Alliance Navy II). It turns out that some kind of joint operation between the Merczateers, Militant Collective, and the Ordo has taken place; Tuesday night, all three militaries began the long process of banning all members from the Alliance Navy group, intending to cut them out of the loop completely. Some may see this as a surrender, others, like Raideur Ng (Head of Militant Collective) insists that the move was made due to AN’s ‘overactive’ use of homing kill-scripts.
Those who refused to bow down: Raideur Ng, Lurdan Huszar, Anthony Lehane, Aryte Vesperia.
Intent on finding the truth, I visited Dorien, and began to question the AN, who actually didn’t seem too bothered by the banning, in fact they seemed quite amused.
Dorien sim
Rob Arten (AN Fleet Division Commander) issued the following statement: ‘In the past 6 months we have not had a single major operation enacted against us by said military groups. We get plenty of action without them.’
Next, I journeyed to the Militant Collective base in the Sullen Plummet sim and was taken
To MC Commander Raideur Ng. who insists ‘The Collective, Ordo, Merczateers are tired of trying to bend to the AN‘, then continued saying, ‘have never willingly negotiated anything with other groups Unless it specifically benefited them. I don’t support the slander we’ve been getting from the AN. Personal slander’.
On leaving Sullen Plummet I sent an Instant Message to Merczateer Proteus Hand, who gave me a strange slant on the story:
Proteus Hand: What had happened, was, Kohlen had fashioned a riot shield, which used mechanics that obeyed the rules of engagement, and it was tested in Dorien.
Proteus Hand: What it did, was, once you stopped moving, it would rez an invisible barricade in front of you, protecting your front side from bullets.
Proteus Hand: not explosives, and not your backside.
Proteus Hand: However, the Alliance Navy, witnessing us doing this on their land, thought it to be a breach of STABLE, because they thought it to be an actual full person shield that protected at all times.
Proteus Hand: When in truth, it was just a variant of their barricade rezzer.
Proteus Hand: They declared us no longer under the “protection” of STABLE, and
said that they would resort to any tactics – Spawnkilling, sithacking, etc. when fighting us.
Proteus Hand: Lurdan, Aryte, and Raideur discussed the situation, and came to the conclusion to just not deal with them anymore.
Proteus Hand: The Alliance Navy consider this some sort of “chickening out” from what I understand, and I empathize, I’ve been on their side of the field.
Fox Mulgrave: Interesting, so in fact it was the AN who did this, not you just randomly doing it to them
Proteus Hand: had they done it to me, I would have considered it an informal surrender.
Proteus Hand: yes, it was definitely reactional.
After speaking with Proteus I returned to Dorien, but was ushered quietly away. So is the AN, capable of griefing and breaking their own rules? It would seem so, almost certainly.
steve319 cao
Dec 5th, 2007
Fox unfortunately I have to agree with both the AN and the Alliance of 3 groups on this issue the article did lack balance
however what really annoys me and has always annoyed me is the AN
above reproach attitude they generally believe whole heartedly that there men are incapable of greifing when the rest of the SL combat world admits that in the past they have had men serving in there rank and file that have broken the rules and as commanders we have dealt with the individual and moved on.
Approach an AN senior officer with evidence of there men breaking the rules and to be fair it only happens every now and again you normally receive the following response no this is fake or your clearly did something to provoke him or in Lucas case seeing as he has yet to grasp basic officer skills he normally just responds learn to spell moron now im not for a second denying AN are one of the largest and professional groups on the grid but they are so hated for the very reason
that they do not take any steps whatsoever to control there men when they get out of line.
In my inventory over the years I have above a dozen pieces of evidence of various minor breaches of the alliance navy’s own rules but sadly I have given up on reporting these to an Alliance navy officer as quite simply whats the point nothing will ever be done about it believe it or not I don’t agree with there banning despite serving in one of the groups banning them
but I can understand the logic behind it so perhaps one day we could all perhaps change our ways a bit and go back to the fair combat that made sl great but with the AN high command so unwilling to get down from there high horse I do doubt it.
Anyway thanks for listening now watch the AN prove my point by
sending a two page reply to this post probably insulting grammar or spelling or generally trying to discredit the points ive made.
Steve319 cao 0-1 MC Fleet Commander
Izaea Qinan
Dec 5th, 2007
“Wow, the points keep flowing in, but so many so deeply misunderstood.
Though a lot, do reinforce my idea of taking this “all too seriously”
Also, on the topic of “defeating the big bad AN”
Will never happen
/ever/
You know why? Because they won’t ever admit they have been defeated. They will pull a scapegoat. “Oh the other group was causing lag”, “Oh they were cheating…whine whine whine”
First off, lag affects BOTH sides. Second, “Holy crap, could it be, no way, nu uuh!! A GROUP THAT FIGHTS NORMALLY?! No way, untrue, never can happen, nope”
Get a grip, no group will ever be “defeated” because of the sole idea no group has the balls to say “We have been defeated”.
None
~Purple
Posted by: Purple | December 05, 2007 at 02:59 AM”
Fair warning. This is a thought experiment. I’m likely going to ramble, and starting this, I don’t know where it’s going to end up.
Well… let’s look at the beast which is defeat, shall we? In the real world, the end goal of war is not to kill every soldier the enemy has. The goal is to break their spirit; to beat them so badly that they no longer wish to fight. It comes down to fear – always fear. You could be Sun Tzu, Ceaser, Tokugawa, or even the leaders of this most recent war on terror, but the purpose of warfare, to shock and awe someone into submission with your power, remains the same.
Now, in SL, it’s damned hard to make someone fear you. The standard war of attrition – fight until you’ve killed all the ones who keep fighting – becomes exponentially harder.
As Curious Rousselot pointed out in her article at the start of the AN-Mercateers war, the way to defeat a group is then to make them as a collective, or a large enough chunk of their members, decide that it’s not worth it and leave the fight. I actually hadn’t thought of it like this, but as Proteus Hand pointed out in this article…
Proteus Hand: had they done it to me, I would have considered it an informal surrender.
[To nip the little bastards in the bud - no, I'm not claiming that the AN defeated the Novus Collective Merczitalis, as Harlequin puts it. For us... y'all are just the kids who got a bloody nose at little league and decided to quit the team.]
To be fair also, despite our differences, I have a lot of respect for Proteus – had I met him before Nanao, I likely would have become a Merczateer. He had the balls to say, quite frankly, that anyone who considered the merczateers as the winners of operation crucifix was a loon. Likewise… wrath of toll was a bloody effective operation, and had we not allies who showed up in time, I think we -would- have lost.
But yes. Any group – ANY group – would be hard-pressed to admit defeat, because quite honestly, true defeat of a group is damned near impossible. If every member of the Iron Symphony left except for Raideur, Lurdan, and Aryte, you can bet your ass they’d still oppose us. People can claim success all they want, but at the end of the day, most militaries in SL will be locked in a stalemate until people get tired of playing with their guns in groups, and go play with themselves instead.
Er… by. By themselves.
That might be another important fact – we’re not here to sieze Badnarik. We’re not here to annex the Sudetenland of Titan. We’re fighting not for any of the traditional causes of war, but because we enjoy the fight; in the end, and here’s the part a lot of us are forgetting… this is a game.
Maybe this really is just some massive E-penis contest, in which case, my e-penis can penetrate sixty meters below ground in an admittedly-narrower-than-I’d-like-it-to-be shaft of pure firey love… or it can explode without penetrating, splattering anyone in the general vicinity.
I’m having that checked at the clinic this weekend.
Izaea Qinan
Dec 5th, 2007
To Steve.
We’re sons of bitches.
This isn’t something we hide. We’re powerful, we’re effective, and we’re arrogant because of it. We know our skills, we know our abilities, and we are confident in them. Before I joined the AN, this really pissed me off… and after I understood why the attitude was there, I accepted it.
I’d like to think I remain fairly level – If anyone has seen my actions or thoughts to be clouded by bias, please, tell me. It’s part of why I joined the JAG branch in the first place. I’m fully aware that the AN has issues – what group of our size wouldn’t? – but instead of leaving in a huff over it, I try to change it.
In that vein, let me ask you this. If you have a problem with a member of the AN, send it to me – I’m second in command of the branch with the power of peer bloody review, and if there’s something to it, I promise you on my membership as AN that I’ll see that the problem is fixed. You have to keep in mind, though… I get reports every day that cadets who manage to flank an opponent in dorien and shoot them in the head with the ASP are “ZOMG SHUUTN THRU TEH WALL W/ FANTOMS.”
Maybe that’s part of the issue – since so many of our issues are handled internally, and not as, say, a public execution [which has some serious merit for cool points, Mercz, don't get me wrong], all you ever see is the negative action, and not the members of the AN fixing it.
I’m not going to try and undermine your points, steve – I think they’re valid, if what you’re trying to express is frustration with seeing repeated violations.
And as a personal addendum.
Steve, we’re communicating in a medium that removes spoken and physical language. All we have to go on to judge someone here is their words, and how they use them. You, in that post of 357 words, averaged a point of punctuation – any punctuation – every 90 words or so. If you want to present yourself as a person whose views have merit, the best way to do so is in a -way- that has merit. After all – if people can’t attack you for your grammar, they have to focus on what you’re saying instead, no?
Suppose I should start signing off on these things like everyone else.
Okay.
Izaea Qinan
W-2 of the Fleet
2ic JAG
Alliance Navy
Blade Syakumi
Dec 5th, 2007
“Ever try going…AROUND the wall? Hmm…new concept, I know, very radical…but try it.”
Funny that, Ziskey, your grunts like to stand on top of the wall and shoot down onto the hub, hence never allowing the assaulting force to advance, which I’m sure many armies would see as spawn camping.
On the mines issue, I have proof, if I wade through my logs, I could probably find the piece of text that reads. “[Mercz] – Chest Armour: Collied with land mine owned by Unknown.”
On the homepoint issue, you’re incorrect. A “Spartan” named Kp3 has his homepoint behind a barricade, and did not lag out of the TP, as I took him out several times after breaching the roof.
Again Mr. Ziskey, you, and your army’s lack of common sense and respect, make you look more like an ignorant fool. If this sound harsh, I’m not sorry, basically. Sort it out or give up.
Inuyasha Deere
Dec 5th, 2007
Sparta spawncamp, use phantom bullets, and autokillers. They ban anyone who can execute a decent air raid (My good old friends back from the days in which I lead my own military, most notably Ladainian Underwood can attest to this.), and bitch at anyone who can kill them, proclaiming the pathetic insult “get a life”.
With abscence of respect,
Interim Alpha Marines Marshal and future New Age Confederate States of America President, Inuyasha Deere
Molen Oppewall
Dec 5th, 2007
Well, this is all interesting. Isn’t it? (Not noticed, well it’s sarcasm)
The Iron Symphnoy banned us from there sims. *PERIOD*
The Alliance navy really doesn’t care. *PERIOD*
It’s like the cold war, just a complete role reversal.
Now, unless we can learn to NOT get on with each other again, please, stop the damn bickering.
We have made our beds, stick to them.
- Talon sergeant Oppewall, Molen. Alliance navy fleet.
That is all.
DaveOner
Dec 5th, 2007
If only such energy and zeal was channelled into causes that ACTUALLY mattered to the world. There’d be that many fewer homeless or hungry people in your respective local areas!
(meaning: It’s only a game, guys! Lighten up!)
Bruno Ziskey
Dec 5th, 2007
*Sighs* More idiocy for me to contend with:
“Funny that, Ziskey, your grunts like to stand on top of the wall and shoot down onto the hub, hence never allowing the assaulting force to advance, which I’m sure many armies would see as spawn camping.”
Blade, its likely that the people in the hub were in there for 20 seconds, which is our limit for how long armed people were in there. So…past 20 seconds, you can be shot. If you *were* actually spawn camped, then I apologize for that.
“On the mines issue, I have proof, if I wade through my logs, I could probably find the piece of text that reads. “[Mercz] – Chest Armour: Collied with land mine owned by Unknown.”
You may have logs, but do you have pics of the mines in the hallways? No? Thought not.
“On the homepoint issue, you’re incorrect. A “Spartan” named Kp3 has his homepoint behind a barricade, and did not lag out of the TP, as I took him out several times after breaching the roof.”
This “Spartan” is no longer with us, as he was exceedingly disrespectful, could not follow orders, and sadly has done what you said. As he is gone now, case is null and void.
“Again Mr. Ziskey, you, and your army’s lack of common sense and respect, make you look more like an ignorant fool. If this sound harsh, I’m not sorry, basically. Sort it out or give up.”
Ah but you see, we are Spartans, we never back down from a fight (or dance party, which we have quite often and are thoroughly enjoyable). It’s in our blood.
Now Inuyasha….what did happen to whats it called…Navy something…..oh well…oh yes, it fell. Please do not attempt to criticize me when you cannot even run a military group yourself.
“Sparta spawncamp, use phantom bullets, and autokillers. They ban anyone who can execute a decent air raid (My good old friends back from the days in which I lead my own military, most notably Ladainian Underwood can attest to this.), and bitch at anyone who can kill them, proclaiming the pathetic insult “get a life”.”
No we do not spawn camp, and any we find doing that are severely reprimanded. We love enemies coming out of the hub so we can shoot them.
Phantom bullets? If I were to rez our guns in front of you, you would see no phantom bullets in them.
Autokillers? The only autokillers we have are the people holding guns.
Decent air raid? You NUKED our base kid….of course we nailed your ass to the proverbial wall.
In short, if you’re going to accuse us, make sure it’s with something that has actual fact. I would also like to remind you Inuyasha that since Alpha Marines are supposedly neutral, you can bet that if you keep that attitude up, Sparta WILL come visit Tatakoto…and you might want to ask Fox Mulgrave and the other AM about what happened whenever we showed up. We made your base our summer vacation home, minus the women in bikinis.
Bruno Ziskey
King of Sparta
Inuyasha Deere
Dec 5th, 2007
Bruno, I would wish to hold a conference with you at either Tatakoto or your base, wherever it may be now. I can surely prove to you that our air forces did not utilize nukes; I will show you the entires arsenals of my old groups, and I hope you can show me that the Spartan small arms do not have phantom ammunition.
With all due respect,
Interim Alpha Marines Marshal- Inuyasha Deere
Bruno Ziskey
Dec 5th, 2007
Yeah fine, suits me. If your aircraft dont have the nukes then I can assume it was a personal weapon of one of your men, as I remember the sim crashing after I heard a loud noob sound explosion, sounded like B2 bullets, and some very odd objects coming from the direction of your people.
Lurdan Huszar
Dec 6th, 2007
It seems my recent decision has created a pretty extensive debate. I’d like to make it clear that I am not here to partake, I am here simply to state why I did what I did, and give a better insight into the events leading up to it.
Let’s start with the basics. The AN have disliked us for over a year now. In this period, they have harassed, insulted, and intimidated us with their pompous, sadist, elitist attitudes. The Alliance Navy and the Merczateers have very different views on how warfare in Second Life should be played out. Now I don’t know exactly what the average AN member’s opinion is, but this is what I do know from experience and observation. They’re not specifically there to have a good time with people with similar interests, bound by a common community. They want to win, and they will go to measures to achieve such I have never considered.
They will overpower us with ridiculous technology designed for combat that simply does not work on a platform such as Second Life. Homing rockets to kill enemies instantly and without effort. Grenades that kill any person within ten meters of the blast, regardless of how many meters of concrete they’re behind. Gravity manipulators that allow the user to reach any height desired. These are all exploited horrifically and without remedy. I could list the gear they use, and why it deteriorates the Second Life Combat experience, but it would quickly turn into a distasteful rant. Alongside this, they actively condone harassing enemy personnel, either through verbal communication, or by suppressing their home locations, forcing them to log off. Their verbal harassment has reached a level where they have managed to make our personnel shed tears, or have to leave for a period of time. I was with one of our members on Ventrilo when she was specifically targeted with comments that were known to upset her by Alliance Navy personnel, causing her to cry and have to take a break from the game entirely for a short period of time. The personnel involved were aware that she suffered from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, and fully exploited it seemingly for their own pleasure. In another instance, I logged on to find myself being constantly hit by both explosives and bullets to the point where I just left my computer. In the Alliance Navy ROE/SOC, it states quote: “Blackscreening the enemy in their homepoint is encouraged to cause enough frustration as to deny them the right to engage and perhaps log out.” This only strengthens the fact that they are indeed not here to simulate combat, but to defeat a group of people through means of unsportsmanlike conduct.
I noticed that SqueezeOne Pow’s comment suggested that we post rules at our hubs, and that I did. A week before this entire incident to be precise. It specifically stated that movement enhancers and space bar hacking was not allowed. The day after, I noticed Marine Commander 1IC Mikael Khalamov using a gravity pack, while hitting space bar to propel himself across the sim, behind the defensive line. When I confronted him about it, this is what I got:
Lurdan Huszar: And by the way, that grav packing rule is in place now if you’ve bothered to read the rules at the spawn.
Mikael Khalamov: Blow me. Idiocy is banned in Dorien but you don’t see me banning every Crapzateer that comes to Dorien.
Mikael was later banned. A day later he claimed that he wouldn’t breach our conduct anymore, and respect our rules, however this soon changed as soon as he entered the sim.
Lurdan Huszar: I’m watching you grav pack and space bar hop Mikael..
Lurdan Huszar: Jim told me somethin’ today.
Lurdan Huszar: He said..
Lurdan Huszar: “You want to fight in our sim, you’re going to have to deal with how we do things.”
Mikael Khalamov: Suck my balls?
Mikael Khalamov: Ah, well, what I say is suck my balls.
Mikael Khalamov: I’ll use my grav pack if I damn well please.
A similar incident with another marine:
Lurdan Huszar: Space bar hopping and movement enhancers are against sim rules, by the way.
Meia Cosmos: Not space baring sparky
Meia Cosmos: As for the no grav packs
Meia Cosmos: That rule can die in a hole;
Meia Cosmos: Have a nice day.
When somebody in my position encounters situations like these, one would suggest to speak to their superiors in an attempt to remedy the situation. But I ask you, would you speak to these people when they speak to you regularly like so?
Nanao Mahfouz: [10:35] You: But no, this has nothing to do with a freaking shield. Tell Lurdan he’s an egotistical shitstain who can suck on the slobbering end of my fuckstick.
Nanao Mahfouz: Just making sure you caught that, dunno if Proteus sent it to you.
Nanao Mahfouz: ^.^
For three years I’ve been trying to create a community where like-minded individuals can come together and enjoy their interests in a friendly, sportsmanlike environment, that is enjoyable to partake in, and is free of the evils most residents tie to military activity in Second Life. I’ve told the occasional enemy that he just made a good shot, I invite enemy commanders to my sim to discuss and chat with, I even regulate our own gear to the point where we are at the disadvantage, and it is skill that determines the victor, like any enjoyable FPS game you will find. However people don’t agree with this. They view warfare in Second Life as real warfare, they design weapons and equipment that assist and give them a blatant edge over the opponent, and boast and feel pride after their troops
successfully destroy the enemy both physically, verbally, and mentally. When the enemy loses members, land, and hope, they are winning.
This is real war to them.
I feel I’ve laid my foundation adequetely enough. Allow me to explain the details, and correct the faults others have made trying to describe this whole situation. It began shortly after Meia and Mikael were both banned three times each during different days of the week, for ignoring sim rules and insulting our officers when they were requested to respect our established conduct. A few days after, one of our engineers produced an old riot shield he scripted a year ago. I looked at it, and I liked it. I made a fresh model for it and dropped the scripts in. The shield could be broken and penetrated by roughly ten shots, left the avatar’s back and sides vulnerable, and was lowered while walking or running. (I’d also like to clarify that the riot shield was never brought to Dorien) Later that day I made a brief visit to the I.E.N. base to discuss alliance terms with Tyrenius, the supreme commander. At the time I was using my riot shield, but for no specific purpose, and to nobody’s agitation. Without warning, Alliance Admiral Harlequin Salome appeared nearby, and upon glaring at me for some time, popped off three shots at me, all of them bouncing off my shield. I responded with a brief shot to his head. What Harlequin and the rest of the Alliance Navy didn’t know, was that the shield was still a beta project, and was not actively issued or used in combat. (At the time I was literally the only person to be in possession of it.)
The sparks ignited later that day when Mikael received a similar dose of the riot shield in Badnarik. He responded by stating that we were breaching STABLE, which we didn’t, or ever did belong to, and by doing so we have lost all protection from it. Basically telling me he can grief us whenever he wishes. About a minute later, he returned to Badnarik, and did the following:
Mikael Khalamov: YIPPIE KI YI YAY, MOTHERFUCKERS. YOUR SHIELDS MAKE ME HAPPY COZ NOW I CAN DO THIS!
Alliance Navy Fleet Division – S.T.R.A.N.G.E.L.O.V.E. shouts: EMERGENCY FAILSAFE HAS BEEN ACTIVATED. HAVE A NICE DAY.
For those of you who don’t know, the S.T.R.A.N.G.E.L.O.V.E. is an explosive, designed to cover 32 meters with a thick, effective explosion, killing anybody within its radius. At this point I was outraged. I immediately IM’d the leaders of the Militant Collective, and Ordo Imperalis to organize a meeting regarding the immediate isolation of the Alliance Navy. Naturally, the AN found out about the meeting within minutes, and promptly sent their Air Division to Badnarik to drop bombs on our Headquarters, immediately wiping out anybody participating in the meeting. These “bombs” managed to penetrate the thick concrete tarmac outside, two floors of our underground complex, and into our meeting hall. The person responsible for the bombing proceeded to call me a coward after he was banned from Badnarik.
I didn’t come here to create a conflict as sick as this. I have every right to choose who I will and will not engage in activities with. Currently we are producing a fully scripted combat system. It is designed to bring an experience to Second Life much like what you would find in your typical next generation FPS games. Currently I am laying out the plans with the Militant Collective, Novus Ordo, and the Merczateers to create tasteful, sportsmanlike combat with each other under a system that promotes fairness,skill, and above all, a good experience. If other groups do not share this idea, and wish to continue with how they are conducting war games here how they always been, they may, but as far as I am concerned, Alliance Navy, I am done with you.
Trinity Heckroth
Dec 6th, 2007
Fox. As for your “return to dorien in which you were ushered away quietly”, you tp’d into the hub at approximately the same time one Eike Janus did. He then said hi to you and commented on your uniform. You proceeded to ask if you could take some pictures to which he responded “i don’t know if thats allowed but eh, i dont see it ^^”. He also asked that you take pictures “not of the inside, right?” to which you responded “oh no of course not.” After a brief time you said “well, that’s all i need, i’ll be seeing you,” and promptly teleported elsewhere. This is not, in my honest opinion, being “quietly ushered away”, unless by that you mean “allowed to stand in the hub, alt cam around, take pictures, and leave by myself while engaging in pleasent conversation with an Alliance Navy Air Division pilot dressed as a bunny.”
As for the Collective Ordo Merczatalis, I cannot explain the sheer joy I recieve when teleporting into a heated battle, rezzing my talon and firing wildly into the sky, I see countless enemies immediately stop what they’re doing and head for the proverbial hills. I’m considering bringing the AD cadets out with me next time so they can see for themselves how feared we are. (Whether it is actual fear or not, having the captain of a fleetship detonate his ship on sight of a single AN marine and watching it all tumble to the ground in a mess of blue particles and prim armor plating is a bit of an ego boost.)
Frankly, I don’t want this “boycott” to end, it brightens my and every member of the Ascendant Initiative’s day to see an enemy force falter at the sight of a pink haired girl in a tight blue flightsuit grinning maniacally through the sights of her talon.
O-3 (Captain) Trinity Heckroth
Commander, Alliance Navy Air Division
Izaea Qinan
Dec 6th, 2007
Lurdan. You have, time and again, been corrected on the fallacies you claim about our gear. The fact that you choose to continue to spread them says far more about you that it does about us.
The AN fragmentation grenade has half of the explosive power you claim – five meters, not ten.
“Homing” rockets must be locked, take time to reach the target, and are limited in both tracking ability and duration. A pilot with some skill can evade them.
The gravity pack can, yes, be used to reach any height desired, especially in conjunction with the use of a parachute, which your men have so very kindly demonstrated for us in Dorien. The use of the gravity boot script was not the sole purview of the AN, and AN have been the most restricted among those who use them – our regulations set limits for attainable altitude, and anything beyond that is a violation of our rules. If you see it, report it to me.
Likewise, if you have the text of being killed by that STRANGELOVE, then it’s something I’d like to see. We have a standing rule that they’re not to be detonated.
Furthermore, if the incident you mention here,
” Their verbal harassment has reached a level where they have managed to make our personnel shed tears, or have to leave for a period of time. I was with one of our members on Ventrilo when she was specifically targeted with comments that were known to upset her by Alliance Navy personnel, causing her to cry and have to take a break from the game entirely for a short period of time. The personnel involved were aware that she suffered from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, and fully exploited it seemingly for their own pleasure.”
Is the one that Ethan called us into Mercz vent for, then I applaud you for your ability to twist the situation and take advantage of the suffering of your subordinates in order to get bad press against the AN. I served as the neutral JAG on that particular issue; the soldier in question, by the end of it, admitted that she believed the comment on the part of our trooper was innocuous, and not intended to hurt her. Our man apologized nonetheless, in person.
And yes, Lurdan. We did know that the shield was a beta – I was sitting there in Salamis having a conversation with Tomothy [I think] about it. There was no massive outpouring of ZOMGZOMGITSSTABLEBREAKING on the part of the AN. It wasn’t -that- big of a deal to us – it meant only that we could use force exceding that of our normal combat against it.
You’re right though. If you don’t like SL warfare, you can leave, by all means. You, as a group, absolutely have the right to choose who you do and do not fight, just as you have the right to take your toys and go home.
Inuyasha Deere
Dec 6th, 2007
Yeah fine, suits me. If your aircraft dont have the nukes then I can assume it was a personal weapon of one of your men, as I remember the sim crashing after I heard a loud noob sound explosion, sounded like B2 bullets, and some very odd objects coming from the direction of your people.
Posted by: Bruno Ziskey | December 05, 2007 at 10:59 PM
Good deal. I’ll schedule it within the next few days.
steve319 cao
Dec 6th, 2007
These debates are so pointless and are not going to get anyone anywhere if the AN like it or not there members go out of there way to be little or bully anybody they see as lower than them selfs so basically the entire grid sitting here sharing our varied experiences at the hands of there men will do absolutely nothing the men I lead I take complete and total responsibility for I accept that responsibility freely and that includes responsibility for there conduct and in short anyone under my command discovered acting in such a manner reducing a person to tears in real life would simply no longer be a member of my group thats totally unacceptable.
I have met members of the AN that not only do I respect but even have on my friends list the problem is the high command takes no leadership account for the conduct of there men and never will but in all honesty we can debate them until there blue in the face they will never admit there faults so to that end the mercz ordo and MC have decided to go along a differing path from the AN the AN see there way as perfect let them have fun playing with them selfs for now and as for the AN not giving a shit that they’re banned the lengthy note card from Admiral Nanao that was sent to anyone willing to accept it would suggest its bugging them just a tad.
Lurdan Huszar
Dec 6th, 2007
Izaea, before I waste anymore time arguing, I’d like to correct your counter statements.
“The AN fragmentation grenade has half of the explosive power you claim – five meters, not ten.”
One day I’m told it’s two meters, now I’m told it’s five. Before all of this I was told it was ten by a marine. I can sprint thirty meters away from one of these things, pause, and get killed by the tracker. I’ve watched these things clear massive rooms time and time again – not to mention being exploited in the tunnels underneath Dorien. (Your marines know the trackers go through anything.) Plus, my own personal experiences with them, many times this year. When I’m as unsure as this, I will assume what feels correct.
“”Homing” rockets must be locked, take time to reach the target, and are limited in both tracking ability and duration. A pilot with some skill can evade them.”
Our Uriels can’t boost, and these “missles” go faster than them. I doubt it takes any skill to use, because I’ve been killed by the MARS from behind buildings, at 500M, and just while I’m flying up from your hub. I’d also like to add that they were used extensively even when ANAD was present, which was apparently against current AN protocol. These things -never- missed, and would hit me no matter where I was in Dorien.
“Likewise, if you have the text of being killed by that STRANGELOVE, then it’s something I’d like to see. We have a standing rule that they’re not to be detonated.”
I have logs and witnesses.
“The gravity pack can, yes, be used to reach any height desired, especially in conjunction with the use of a parachute, which your men have so very kindly demonstrated for us in Dorien. The use of the gravity boot script was not the sole purview of the AN, and AN have been the most restricted among those who use them – our regulations set limits for attainable altitude, and anything beyond that is a violation of our rules. If you see it, report it to me.”
[17:21] Mikael Khalamov: grav -10000
“Is the one that Ethan called us into Mercz vent for, then I applaud you for your ability to twist the situation and take advantage of the suffering of your subordinates in order to get bad press against the AN. I served as the neutral JAG on that particular issue; the soldier in question, by the end of it, admitted that she believed the comment on the part of our trooper was innocuous, and not intended to hurt her. Our man apologized nonetheless, in person.”
I showed her my comment before posting it. She actually asked me to include the fact that she suffered from PTSD. She had no problems with me mentioning the incident, so I went ahead with it. As for said marine’s apology? He was giggling up until the point he gave a monotone, meaningless “I’m sorry.” I have no idea how she was able to accept that. Also, in case you didn’t know, a certain lolol Hax uttered the same comment that triggered the incident in Badnarik, to her face, just after he was asked to leave. As you may have guessed, he was shot, several times. There is no way to cover it up Izaea, Mikael, and the bulk of the marines he commands are horrible, inconsiderate people.
“And yes, Lurdan. We did know that the shield was a beta – I was sitting there in Salamis having a conversation with Tomothy [I think] about it. There was no massive outpouring of ZOMGZOMGITSSTABLEBREAKING on the part of the AN. It wasn’t -that- big of a deal to us – it meant only that we could use force exceding that of our normal combat against it.”
So a S.T.R.A.N.G.E.L.O.V.E. is your adaptation to one man with a riot shield? In case you weren’t there, it managed to kill ten other people too.
Mikael Khalamov
Dec 6th, 2007
The above thing with the “[17:21] Mikael Khalamov: grav -10000″ was when Cube Amat was blackscreening me when teleports were failing. I was attempting to break the blackscreen. You know that, I told you it. Don’t fracking twist it for your purposes.
Lurdan Huszar
Dec 6th, 2007
I’m looking through my local chat history text file now. Ctrl + F “Mikael Khalamov -” I’m getting five instances of you neg-graving, and these are only ones that I managed to pick up while near you. As for the quote in particular I used, I searched it again, and found that it’s at least a month before the Cube Amat incident.
Corzakovich Lehtovvara
Dec 7th, 2007
Has steve319 found the wonders of Firefox? Ok I won’t go there.
As for Izaea’s comment…we really are sons of bitches. :>
But as for this “boycott” the Alliance Navy. I dig it, Dorien has now become another Tethys (without all the lag and sex shops). With little groups and lone wolves coming in for a fight; the action and pixel carnage seems to never end really. You guys should have thought of this ages ago. Oh wait…you did and how did that turn out?
So toodles Mercz had some fun epic fights. Toodles MC had some great skirmishes with you guys and I hope yall have fun with each other now. Its great to see you guys taking the initiative of pursuing your Second Life combat dreams.
E-7 Master Gunnery Sergeant, Corzakovich “Corndog” Lehtovaara, Alliance Navy Air Division
Fox Mulgrave
Dec 7th, 2007
Agreed, this was possibly the worst piece of writing I have ever done,
Wait, it IS the worst.. to the AN and the other armies involved I apologise, I did not have the patience to wait for all points of view.. my next article will be better, if I find a story…
JAG Commander Deere, I may ask that you lay off Sparta and carry out your conversations with Bruno in IM, whatever SN may or may not have done in the past it has nothing to do with your current position, and as it is the past I suggest it is forgotten,
Bruno- was dragging the accusation up worth it?
- Alpha Marines Armed Forces Grand Marshal Fox Mulgrave
Serving the Second Life Community since 2005. (Yes, that’s right..)
SqueezeOne Pow
Dec 7th, 2007
…and we see why SL combat is so often caught in silly politics and posturing.
It seems as though more combat happens in comment sections and general shit talking than on the actual battlefield. If you’re isolating them then follow through with it. Don’t respond. You guys aren’t on the same page anymore anyway.
This is like Catholics and Muslims arguing about each other’s practices without actually reading each others’ book. All it does is annoy the hell out of the pagans!
Phantom
Dec 7th, 2007
I just realized something great and funny, by Responding to any AN post (Lurdan has done just that) it’s breaking the so called Isolation. Just thought that was needed to be said.
Raideur Ng
Dec 8th, 2007
I was an AN pilot for a very long time. The manner of combat has changed. Some groups wish to turn back the clock, some do not. Neither side is at fault for their wishes, some prefer new systems and weaponry, some prefer the old style of combat.
Izaea, Mikael, Trinity, the groups participating in this refusal to fight are not scared, we are tired of this “new” war. I hope you understand that I see greater enjoyment of a gun kill while flying, running around with a normal rifle on the ground, being able to not bicker.
Above all I personally am not here to bicker, not to discuss particulars, and I really do not want to question each others character. It really does not pertain to this conversation nor does it speak highly of anyone’s motives.
These groups have made their choice, leave us alone. When you wish, and only when -you- wish to talk will we have dialogue. We are trying to invent manners of having fun.
Respect that, and above all, remember no one guilty of anything. Its just opinions, all of it.
Thrax Trilam
Dec 8th, 2007
first off, let me just say that letting Mr mulgrave write the article was a bad idea. it is like asking a insurgent officer to write a “military correspondent” piece about the USA military ops. see also, fucking retarded.
now my view on this crap, firstly let me state i have great dislike for the AN due to their attitude,and reading these comments has done nothing to change that. your bullshit thought that you can do no wrong and never lose is crap. but, you would be correct in your thoughts this time. the axis of emo is truly outstepping previous attempts at retardedness. first the ban on gravpacks and movement devices, now a all out “isolation” attempt on the AN. are you guys serious? what is this going to accomplish? you DO know theres like a billion independent groups to hunt and defend from right? so you are all well known? so fucking what? its like giving a small child a plate of cookies, you take the three biggest and best cookies away from him, but you leave the hundreds of chips ahoy cookies on the plate. what have you accomplished in the end? and ya cant realy even play the “quality over quantity” card when talking about the independents either, because honestly some of them follow the rules better than you three do…..well…after you tell them the rules at least. but hey, i sound like im trying to talk you out of it, no no go ahead isolate all you want, nothing of value was lost.
and lastly, the thing sl combat needs most is to balance the weapons, we need scripting that balances weapon damage to firerate, use a uniform weapon script for certain things like, high damage, low firerate and clip cap for a sniper script, and like med damage, say 25% damage for rifles with a med firerate and med clip cap. sure, let all the armys build their own weapons, but if we all used uniform scripting in guns n sutch half of the crap like this would be avoided because you cant say “YOUR GUN SCRIPTS ARE LAGGING OUR SIM” n shit, because everone would be using the same. that and combat would require more skill than spray and hope your bullet hits fragfests. it would be harder to moderate yes, surely somone would put a sniper script into a MG and mod the firerate, but thats what the eject button is for. eather way, perhaps you all should think about that, get everone to gether, have a conferance and get your top scripters to work on a single script type for each gun then distribute it around the militarys.
Quest Jarrico
Dec 8th, 2007
If the Mercz are the Axis of Emo, does that make the AN the Axis of Ego?
Thrax Trilam
Dec 8th, 2007
“If the Mercz are the Axis of Emo, does that make the AN the Axis of Ego?”
Posted by: Quest Jarrico
yes
Sparta Story Teller
Dec 8th, 2007
I came upon this in Thrax Trilams
profile, in the pics section:
As a horde of Ordo soldiers and grunts in gasmasks surge over the
hill, Astra pilots screaming over head on their way to the final
battle, I can only imagine the fear in minds of those marines as Jim
and Jared sit in the deepest levels of the base, watching the battle
on monitors. “We had a good run, didn’t we?” “Indeed we did, old
friend… indeed we did…” An explosion rocks the complex, followed
by gunfire, as Merczateers Light Ops commandos breach the gate and
storm through the complex. With Harlequin lying dead on the
battlefield, Nanao’s fighter blown out of the sky by an Astra ace,
Jim and Jared take a drink of whiskey, reach for their service
pistols, salute each other, and two shots are heard by the commandos
right before they kick down the door to the room.
As it is fairly obvious to the educated reader, Thrax didn’t actually finish the story.
Sooo….I decided to do him the curteousy of finishing it for him. Below is my continuation
of Thrax’s little story.
The commandos came into the room expecting to find the two dead bodies of the
Alliance Navy Admirals.
They didn’t expect to see a squad of Spartan Phalanx that had used their teleport
beams to enter the bunker, their Javelin Shotguns now aimed right at the heads of these
two poor Mercz commandos. The shots had been made in order to trick the Mercz into thinking
the room was safe.
Bad idea.
The Phalanx opened fire, cutting the Mercz commandos into pieces, blood spilling
everywhere on the neocrete floor, leaving only a mess of black and red. The Phalanx Enomotarch
in charge of the squad nodded his helmeted head. “Area secure, move out to the hallway
and secure it.” The Phalanx squad nodded their acknowledgements and moved out to the hallway,
covering each other as they searched it for Mercz invaders. Seeing none at the present
moment, they signalled the enomotarch, who escorted the two still astounded AN Admirals
down the halls. Through the walls and ceiling, the shouts and gunfire of the battle for the
AN base could be heard, and while it had primarily been the Mercz and Ordo gaining ground,
it was now the same two groups who were now dying where they stood.
Unknown to the two invading groups, the Alliance Navy had put out a call for
assistance to Sparta on their home planet of New Sparta. Due to the vast distance between
the two planets of the allies, it had taken over a day for the message to Sparta to be
received. It had taken less for the Spartans to mobilize and send their fleet and
accompanying ground and aerospace forces to leave New Sparta and Jump to Mars, where the
ancient warriors began their tactical analysis of the situation, and decided to first
secure the inside of the base, followed by a full repulsion of the Roman and Communist
invaders.
“Where’s the rest of the Spartan forces?” Jim Herbst asked the Phalanx Enom,
who, like all Spartans, didn’t speak much. The Enom turned his helm to look at Jim and
replied, “Enjoying themselves.” Jim raised his eyebrows but didn’t have another chance to
ask any more questions, as he and Jared were pulled once again through the base, the
Phalanx squad assigned to guard them clearing the areas before them. Along the way, they
hooked up with other Alliance personnel who had been fighting the invaders and were
quite relieved to hear that the Spartans had finally arrived. One engineer, Mazer Ludd,
had been hurt badly, there were burns in his stomach where a Plasma Charge from an Ordo
Plasma grenade had hit him. One of the Phalanx attended to his wounds, spraying on a
liquid that bubbled up then formed a tight bandage around the wound, preventing the bleeding
from spreading. Painkillers were then offered, but Mazer shook his head, saying, “Just
give me a gun so I can kill the bastards, painkillers will only dampen my abilities.”
The Phalanx attending him nodded, then handed Mazer a pistol from a nearby armory.
Mazer stood up, eying his two commanders, and nodded to them. “Nice to see you two
are still alive, sirs. Maybe there’s hope yet.” Jared looked at Mazer and nodded back,
“We’ll make sure they regret ever doing this.” The two Phalanx who had been watching their
backs gestured to the Alliance personnel that they should get going, the rest of the
Phalanx were already starting to move out. As one, the group of mingled allies set off to
find more of the invaders.
*********************************************************
A squadron of Ordo Astra Mamba pilots screamed past the Alliance base towers,
looking for any other air targets to shoot down. They had laughed themselves silly when AN
Admiral Nanao Mahfouz was shot down, they only wished they could see his face as he had
gone down, hopefully screaming in terror, whimpering like a baby. In their lust for looking
for enemies on the ground or air, they had neglected to search for enemies from high above in space.
It was that moment that a squadron of Spartan Aegis Heavy Interceptor Aerospace fighters
swooped down right between the Ordo squadron, sending them all into a panic. Were these
new pilots mad? They had nearly collided with every Mamba fighter, just barely escaping
death by a few millimeters. The Ordo pilots turned on their radars and began looking for
these seemingly psychotic Spartan pilots. What the hell was Sparta doing here anyway?
They couldn’t have arrived this quick, such technology was practically impossible.
Whether they were crazy or not didn’t matter to the Aegis Pilots, they simply had
wanted to scatter the Ordo craft to make them easier to kill. The Air Lieutenant in charge
grinned and said into his Helmet mic “Divide and Conquer kids, lets get to work.” With
clicks on the radios signalling their confirmation, the Aegis squadron turned around and
came at the Ordo pilots from all sides. The Ordo pilots, not realizing their radar was
being jammed, didn’t even see the Aegis fighters come screaming in, locking their missiles
on the engines of the Mambas. Flimsy little craft, the Mambas were easily shot down, until
there was one left. This Mamba pilot had managed to evade all the missiles and autocannon
shots directed at it, but as the Spartan saying goes, its easier to run from a fight than
it is to stand and fight. The Aegis pilots formed up into a delta formation and went head
on at the Mamba, whose pilot decided he had had enough, and ejected from his craft. As the
Aegis pilots saw the white parachute, the squadron leader grinned and moved his finger
down to the autocannon control, feathering it lightly, as he sent the pilot to his death,
despite him having done the equivalent of a surrender by ejecting from the Mamba. “That was
for Admiral Nanao,” said the Air Lt, who then ordered his squadron to move to the AN base to
seek out new targets, linking up with another squadron of Aegis along the way.
********************************************************
Aryte Vesperia, Imperator of the Novus Ordo, folded his arms and looked at
Merczateer leader Lurdan Huczar. “It would appear that Sparta has arrived to save their
little friends.” Lurdan nodded, and brought a mic to his mouth, saying “bring in the
Uriels and all reserve forces.” That done, he replaced the mic in its pocket, and looked
at Aryte. “You know what this means don’t you? Sparta has the technology to disrupt and
maybe even stop us. They don’t have our numbers, but you’ve seen what they can do. That
planet, Cordova….” Aryte nodded. “I heard. They burned the whole planet, just because
it harbored a few Ordo personnel and refused to give them up.” Lurdan shook his head,
murmuring, “Madness…..absolute madness.”
******************************************************************
On board the SNS Wrath of Sparta, Flagship of the entire Spartan Navy and its Kings
personal command ship, King Bruno Ziskey overlooked the tactical overlay of the planet,
seeing where the opposing forces currently were. He waved his arm over the
holographic planet, and zoomed it out to see the placements of the Spartan Navy spaceships,
all surrounding the planet at tactical locations, placed precisely to do their Kings’
bidding. An alarm sounded, and the hologram changed to show another fleet arriving to
challenge the intruders. Bruno Ziskey grinned and chuckled, “Why if it isn’t my old friends
….the SLSN.” Bruno waved his hands over the hologram again, and selected a small battle
group of destroyers and frigates to handle these pests. The ships, receiving their command,
moved to intercept the SLSN fleet, readying their Ion Torpedo launchers, Turret guns,
broadside cannons, and other weapons that could only be imagined in the mind of a Spartan.
Their shields raised, the ships flanked the puny fleet and began bombarding them, tearing
apart their ships piece by piece.
The SLSN fleet was by no means unarmed, of course. They launched their own weapons,
while making tactical maneuvers to evade the Spartan ships wrath. Their weapons however
failed to do much to the Spartans, as the blue flicker of the Spartan Shields reflected
every kinetic weapon thrown at them. There were a few dsestroyers in the SLSN fleet however,
armed with Plasma Cannons, that aimed their mighty weapons at the Spartan battle group and
opened fire, piercing their shields and causing damage to the mighty ships. One Spartan
frigate ended up with a hole in its bow, and the crew was forced to abandon their ship
via teleport rings installed in the ships. The crew was transported to a Lycurgus-Class
Destroyer, where they quickly took up new positions in the ship to aid with the fighting.
Despite the best efforts of the SLSN however, the Spartans were able to annihalate
the puny fleet, with only one loss and one severely damaged ship. Not bad, but the Nauarchos
Cloud Shackle, commander of the Spartan Navy, would likely be assigning this battle group
extra battle practice when this war was over.
Bruno Ziskey turned his attention back to the main battle, as the battle group
reinserted itself into the Navy ships surrounding Mars. Bruno waved his hands over the
hologram again, this time zooming in on the assaulted Alliance base. He saw that the foolish
infantry of the invaders had simply surrounded the base, not bothering to put any anti-space
weaponry in place. Perhaps they had none, but this was of little concern to King Bruno, who
ordered the Orbital Bombardment ships to commence their part of the defense of the Alliance.
***********************************************************************
Anthony Lehane looked up from a field report handed to him recently from a Mercz
Grunt and wondered why his hairs were pricking up suddenly. The air suddenly seemed thick,
charged with something. Anthony didn’t recall it being stormy today, cloudy yes, but not
storming. As he stepped out of the quickly slapped together command base, he saw points of
red light in the sky, slowly making themselves larger. As he started to comprehend what he
was seeing, his eyes widened, and the first tendtrils of fear crept into his stomach, as he
mouthed, “My God….what have we done?” It was shortly after that the Merczateer and Ordo
ground forces surrounding the base were hit by great bolts of red beams of light, that hit
the ground and created red circles of plasma charges that spread, melting everything in
their path, guns reduced to liquid, tanks, jeeps, all burned to a crisp, and all the
infantry were melted, quite slowly. If anyone were to have looked close at these burning
invaders, they might have felt a sense of pity for these poor souls who were being sent to
hell while already being in it.
From the Alliance base, the destruction could be seen, as the red beams of light
came uncomfortably close to, but not touching, the installation. As the beams annihalated
the invaders, Jim Herbst put his binoculars down and said, “I can’t watch this anymore.
Even if the Mercz and Ordo were going to kill us, the destruction of living people like
this….I just can’t bear it.” Mazer took the binoculars and watched the Orbital
Bombardment. “Thing is, Jim,” Mazer said, “These bastards deserve it, more than anyone
else.” The Admiral nodded, and sadly replied, “But does it have to be so many? Why
couldn’t the Spartans have captured some of them, at least to interrogate?” The
Phalanx Enom spoke up, the three Alliance personnel having forgotten that the silent
Spartans were there, saying, “Because they are rats, nothing more than dirt. They are
inferior to the rest of us, and do not deserve to live. The King has made it clear that he
does not want any survivors left, it would only allow them to continue to multiply, forcing
us to fight them again and again. Mind you, we all love to fight, but theres only so much
dirt we can stand.” The Phalanx Enomotarch, having said the closest thing to a speech the
Alliance men had heard so far from any Spartan, stepped back to survey the area again,
serving his King the only way he knew how.
*********************************************************************
Despite the immense Orbital Bombardment from Sparta’s spaceships, a number of
Mercz and Ordo had survived the initial bombardment. This included a number of Ordo
Terra and Astra, as well as the Uriels called out by Lurdan. Scattered at first by the
initial plasma barrage, the two groups slowly found each other, as Spartan Phalanx began
to arrive by Assault Pods, delivered from space-based Troop Carriers, while the higher
ranked Spartans arrived in the Alliance base via Teleport Rings. As the Phalanx commenced
the securing of the base and surrounding area, the Sparta Aerospace strikecraft patrolled
the skies, searching for these lost enemy units, hungry for a kill or two. The Russian and
Roman units grouped together in an underground bunker that had been underneath an Alliance
city before the Ordo Astra Bombers came in and levelled it. As it was, the two groups knew
they didnt have much time to escape the same fate of their brethren.
TO BE CONTINUED!!
Corzakovich Lehtovvara
Dec 8th, 2007
That story is a very entertaining read. But the dialog between characters is a little off. As in the personality of Jim and Mazer is way out of line. But nonetheless it is entertaining.
E-7 Corzakovich “Corndog” Lehtovaara Alliance Navy Air Division
Thrax Trilam
Dec 8th, 2007
dear Sparta Story Teller, that story is made of epic and win.
also, i never wrote that story, i seem to be getting a reputation for having wrote it tho O.o;. i just copyed it from somewhere else. you forgot to add jims personal comments witch are full of lulz and truth “[15:21] Jim Herbst: I found it innacurate.
[15:23] Jim Herbst: I mean, I wouldn’t kill myself in a situation like that, I’d put an artillery piece in my office facing the door, and fire it when they get there.”
The Better Spartan Story Teller
Dec 8th, 2007
“TO BE CONTINUED!!”
….now
And then and then our space cruisers were like, they were like, VROOOOOM and they blew up all these ships that died instantly cuz we’re so strong and stuff and awesome and we’re like “raaargh this is sparta!” and they went “oh noe the spartans are here we surrender!” and we were like “raaargh there is no surrender this is sparta!” and they went like “oh no we’re going to die” and we were like “totally lmao” and then they blew up in this huge space cannon thing! And then Bruno Ziskey came down and Lurdan was all screaming and stuff and he was like “fight me like a man!”, cuz oh yeah, they caught him in like 5 seconds cuz we have super-marines, and Bruno was like “okay!” and he turned into this giant bear with a shark for a head holding 3 chainsaws with his arms of fire! And he was like “THIS IS SPARTA!” and shot lazers out of his eyes, cuz we have that technology in sparta, and Lurdan went “uugh why are you so awesome spartans?!” and he went “because we have such awesome storytellers to horrifically fabricate our otherwise pathetic numbers and technology!” and then he struck Lurdan through the eye with his radioactive scorpion tail, and threw him off a cliff and they all cheered in their tough silence and the AN commanders came and were like “oh you’re awesome sparta! Here’s my X-box and you can stay up as late as you want!” and we were like “I know! but we’re too awesome for you” and so he chopped off all the AN guys heads at once with a mighty stroke of his third arm, which was a giant sword that was also on fire. And then Sparta went on and took over the world and everyone had to talk about how awesome sparta is forever and ever, and it was cool and we all got cookies.
THE END(?)
Bruno Ziskey
Dec 9th, 2007
Better:
An English teacher would have a field day with your pathetic post. Not only did you do have far too many run-on sentences but your vocab appears to be quite limited. I am guessing your RL age to be about 16 at the most.
Bruno Ziskey
King of Sparta
The Better Spartan Story Teller
Dec 9th, 2007
“An English teacher would have a field day with your pathetic post. Not only did you do have far too many run-on sentences but your vocab appears to be quite limited. I am guessing your RL age to be about 16 at the most.”
Mockery (mock·er·y}
n. pl. mock·er·ies
1. Scornfully contemptuous ridicule; derision.
2. A specific act of ridicule or derision.
3. An object of scorn or ridicule: made a mockery of the rules.
4. A false, derisive, or impudent imitation: The trial was a mockery of justice.
5. Something ludicrously futile or unsuitable: The few packages of food seemed a mockery in the face of such enormous destitution.
Izaea Qinan
Dec 9th, 2007
“One day I’m told it’s two meters, now I’m told it’s five. Before all of this I was told it was ten by a marine.”
It’s not my division’s gear, so I can’t test it emperically myself, but I’ll snag a marine and see if I can’t get you an answer once and for all, wot?
“I can sprint thirty meters away from one of these things, pause, and get killed by the tracker. I’ve watched these things clear massive rooms time and time again -”
And before we forbade it, we used to deter clustering aboveground in dorien by walking up to the cluster, setting our grenades with the commands in main chat, and dropping one on the group that had not yet moved. Speaking from the experience of having them used on me, and having evaded them by moving ten meters or fewer, I have to say that your reality is incompatible with mine.
” not to mention being exploited in the tunnels underneath Dorien.”
Dewd. We have tunnels? Sweet.
“(Your marines know the trackers go through anything.)”
What, may I ask you, is so implausible about an explosive going off and blowing -through- a thin wall, killing someone on the other side?
“Plus, my own personal experiences with them, many times this year. When I’m as unsure as this, I will assume what feels correct.”
When in doubt, the AN is cheating. I don’t really have anything else I need to use against that.
“Our Uriels can’t boost, and these “missles” go faster than them. I doubt it takes any skill to use, because I’ve been killed by the MARS from behind buildings, at 500M, and just while I’m flying up from your hub. I’d also like to add that they were used extensively even when ANAD was present, which was apparently against current AN protocol. These things -never- missed, and would hit me no matter where I was in Dorien.”
Really? Because as far as I’ve been told, our ships outrun them in testing. Hmm.
That being said, yes, it is absolutely a breach of policy to use the MARS when AD is present. When we’ve caught people doing it, we’ve ordered them off and reprimanded them. Often, however, the marine will begin fighting with it before any pilots can get in the air, and then not receive the order to stop.
“I have logs and witnesses.”
“So a S.T.R.A.N.G.E.L.O.V.E. is your adaptation to one man with a riot shield? In case you weren’t there, it managed to kill ten other people too.”
Like I said. I’d like to see them. It’s not an appropriate response.
“[17:21] Mikael Khalamov: grav -10000″
Mik already answered and debated that one personally, so I’ll leave it to him.
“I showed her my comment before posting it. She actually asked me to include the fact that she suffered from PTSD. She had no problems with me mentioning the incident, so I went ahead with it.”
This does not change the fact that the issue was resolved, and does not merit posting here.
“As for said marine’s apology? He was giggling up until the point he gave a monotone, meaningless “I’m sorry.” I have no idea how she was able to accept that.”
And yet, she did. She told us directly that she did.
And I honestly can’t blame him for thinking the whole thing laughable. The comment was “{name} says hello.” The person asked mik to say it in the group channel, when it mentioned that he was having a conversation with {merczateer in question}. That’s it. No repeated harrasment, no campaign of belittling and demeaning, just one comment, that apparently set your soldier off the deep end. While the response may be understandable to the soldier, to someone who doesn’t get the whole of their history and interactions with the other person [god, I hate having to keep using pronouns], the whole thing sounds like a poor joke.
“Also, in case you didn’t know, a certain lolol Hax uttered the same comment that triggered the incident in Badnarik, to her face, just after he was asked to leave. As you may have guessed, he was shot, several times.”
No, I didn’t know, and as he is never going to apologize for that, if it’s true, I will myself apologize for him.
“There is no way to cover it up Izaea, Mikael, and the bulk of the marines he commands are horrible, inconsiderate people.”
A coverup implies that this is some kind of conspiracy. Most everything that happens here is out in the open, it’s only our individual takes on it. Though you may disagree with them, my personal opinions about you are very similar – and as someone with a Merczateer General on his friendslist, that can’t be explained away by group politics. Your actions, and my interpretations thereof, have removed most of my respect for you as a leader, and almost all of such for your status as a decent human being.
Cheers.
Izaea Qinan
W-2 of the Fleet
2ic JAG
Alliance Navy
Bruno Ziskey
Dec 9th, 2007
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–noun, plural -ties for 2.
1. the state, quality, or fact of being stupid.
2. a stupid act, notion, speech, etc.
Novus Collective Mercinales Member
Dec 10th, 2007
oh lulz. i almost found this story pathetic when i finished reading the 2nd paragraph. But the end made it allright.
No seriously the idea that Sparta could save AN’s ass is less than pathetic. If AN dies , there will be no chance for sparta. They will die in a hole. Seriously kids, your tech sucks, i will not even mention your manpower. It’s just not worth mentioning.
Rob Arten
Dec 10th, 2007
Lulz to the story. But anyway, that must be old news by now.
I was a little confused over the whole Comment/Apology issue. I might be wrong, but I think the Marine in question left our group and joined the Merczateers pretty soon after. Ho Hum, I might be wrong.
As for the grenades, they have a 5m explosive radius. 10m diameter. See the similarity?
-_-
I was also curious as to the exclusion of the Alliance Navy Fleet Division in that lovely little novelette. There is no mention of us being destroyed, or killing anything. I guess we were somewhere else at the time, drinking tea and playing chess.
The STRANGELOVE is for lulz. We could have hit you with any other manner of explosives, but a guy riding a huge bomb has far more class. I might just have to send you a slightly-less-funny-but-by-no-means-less-destructive Gravity Bomb at you next time. I\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\’ll even have Mikael sign it, if you like.
Bruno Ziskey
Dec 10th, 2007
Dear Novus Collective Mercinales Member,
I do believe you’re shitting down the wrong hole. I believe that if somehow AN DID fall (something I believe isnt possible, as theres no big crumbling occurring in the AN, despite what others may say) that many of them would come to Sparta. Our tech is at least 90% on par with theirs, and before you say LULZ BECUZ TJEY GIVE U STUFF, no we have our own scriptors who are very good at what they do. The AN has even generously offered to allow us to use some of their tech but we declined, as making our own weapons proves our strength. We also follow many of the same rules as the AN and they have complimented us many times on our fighting ability.
We also have some ex-AN members in our ranks, most notably Sera Otoro, who if you know her it is either because she killed you or befriended you. She is an elite fighter and currently runs our Mech Division, so why would she join a group if she thought it was trash?
We hava also helped the AN defend Dorien and there have even been times when Sparta vastly outnumbered the AN defending force….yes thats right, SPARTA was primarily Doriens defenders due to a majority of the AN being offline or too busy. Now lets compare the size of the AN to Sparta-I do think our manpower is worth mentioning as it is stronger than ever.
Really Novus Collective Mercinales Member, if you’re going to talk trash, come to our sim Gliding and prove to us that you’re better at fighting than we are…without using nukes, push weapons, orbiters, blitzers, autokillers and shields. Because frankly, if you need those griefer weapons to “beat” us…..you’re just incapable of fighting.
Bruno Ziskey
King of Sparta
The Better Spartan Story Teller
Dec 10th, 2007
“Really Novus Collective Mercinales Member, if you’re going to talk trash, come to our sim Gliding and prove to us that you’re better at fighting than we are…without using nukes, push weapons, orbiters, blitzers, autokillers and shields. Because frankly, if you need those griefer weapons to “beat” us…..you’re just incapable of fighting.”
I went to Sparta’s base once. There were 3 Spartans there, and the gear and weapons they were using looked like something made by a newbie in 2003. I tried to be nice, but they tried to pull the whole AN “we’re better than you because we’re play-soldiers” thing, and eventually he decided that I didn’t belong there, and decided to take shots at me. It was funny, because I was able to dodge most of them, and his aim was so bad, that I actually was able to direct his shots to gun down his friends. I was unarmed, and managed to kill them 5 times in this fashion, until eventually they just gave up trying to be fair and started bombing the spawn.
It was all very amusing though. It’s about what I expected.
(Hint: Just because you’ve made this whole backstory about your army being so “awesum n kool cuz were from sparta” and that in addition to the failed warrior ethic of that small city state, you have the “super advanced” space technology, doesn’t actually mean your soldiers will automatically be badass and your technology automatically high class. You have to, you know, actually work for it.)
Bruno Ziskey
Dec 10th, 2007
I’ve had people like you make up crap like that all the time about coming to our base and beating us. IM me in-world and prove it to me.
Rob Arten
Dec 12th, 2007
So, by the majority of reports I get it seems as if the SL Military community has a built-in hatred of non-players (AKA Civillians). I\’m not quite sure how deluded you might be, but if you\’re fired at you bloody well deserved it.
\”and eventually he decided that I didn\’t belong there, and decided to take shots at me\”
Somehow, I have a sneaky suspicion that you didn\’t blong there because you were an arrogant tosser who didn\’t seem to realise that he was one someone else\’s land. *shrugs*
Anyway, Bruno has a point. If you really did kill 5 people in \’this\’ way, prove it. Or I might have to get you a feed-bag to hold all that shit you\’re talking.
Have a Nice Day,
Lieutenant Rob Arten
Alliance Navy Fleet Division Second-in-Command
Reality Checker
Proteus Hand
Dec 12th, 2007
Lulz at Arten, Ziskey, The Better Spartan Storyeteller, and the majority of the kiddos that posted after Izaea.
No, seriously, not only is this off topic, but you’ve all proven, that despite your apparent grasp on the English language, sense of humor (or lack thereof pertaining to both), that you have the people skills of a fat child in wont of his stolen chocolate bar.
I’ve been asking myself philosophical questions quite often as of late, one of which pertains to the actual reason for people playing second life, and the first logical answer, was an unfavorable real one, brought upon by circumstances unchangeable by the person in question.
This lead to a series of ad infinitum questions, beginning with one in the form of, “why is their life so bad, that they resort to a simulation of a different universe?”
The answers, “because they made it that way.”
How?
“their immaturity, and failure to function.”
From where?
“early life maybe? mental disorder, possibly.”
Does this make everyone in SL this way?
“no, just a large percentage seeking sanctuary from a world that has rejected their failures by hiding in a hive of other failures, all without ability to function, callused from lack of compassion, making a bad life worse”
I find a handful of pretend soldiers shouting insults at one another in a comment box, not ever intended for such abhorrent trolling, to be fitting of the descriptions portrayed by my meditative monologue.
I too am guilty of such a crime, but I being one of the first to admit and diagnose it, see myself as a step ahead of the rest, and not so hypocritical as those I accuse.
Dj Yetto
Dec 12th, 2007
Yo. I’m Dj Yetto. aka- The cool marine.
I was gone for a little bit having a war of my own with my internet connection. But, after coming back i get slapped in the face with this ….”stuff” unknowing what has happened. I got tired of reading all the comments so I’m going to try and make this blunt, and in a fashion of my own opinion.
A. In past experiences(including the time ive came back.) I haven’t really seen spawncamping. Since well, even after 5 minutes people are reluctant to go into the hub. Why? I don’t know. But, for me I’m just lazy.
B. After talking with either Lurdan or Anthony (dont remember which) I have come to learn that apparently the shield “breaks” after like 9 rounds or something that i dont remember either.
C. My view on the seeking missles is….ummm…. well they are real, and they kind of compensate for the UFO like movement of the Uriel, which is fuckin unreal >..<.
-Questions or Comments? Contact me on SL -Dj Yetto- or just answer in like, here.
DaveOner
Dec 14th, 2007
I hear Raideur got in touch with some high-ups in AN to have talks between them, mercz, MC and Ordo.
Looks like the isolation is working!
Phantom
Dec 14th, 2007
from my sources I hear it that Raideur is running to the AN after realizing the isolation is killing them if nothing else, and the AN is taking the stance that they don’t do special request to change there way to fight depending on who they are fighting.
but that’s sources from the AN haven’t heard anything from my other contacts yet.
IntLibber Brautigan
Dec 15th, 2007
Well I must say, since the isolation policy went into effect, the incidence of crashed sims in my estates went down considerably, perhaps just cause Avil Creeggan, iolol hax, and mazer were outed as posting on the Patriotic Nigras IRC they were going to crash the sim a certain party was happening in after they talked their way onto the guest list. I dunno, but its evident from the posting here that the true Axis of Emo starts and ends with the AN. Hell they are STILL bawwing over Emit Time as if a lawful transfer of property from its owner (Uildiar Kuhn) to the next (Ailiance Navy) was not legit (executed by the estate owner herself), but what really gets them butthurt is that their griefing-in-uniform was parodied publicly for all of SL to see and the bawwing hasn’t stopped since. And just as we’ve outed PN as closet furries, we’ve now outed AN as closet PN.
lolwut
Dec 15th, 2007
IntBlubber, I have but one thing to say to you:
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/IntLib
Alex
Dec 16th, 2007
Some more Lulz at IntLibber. I mean, does anyone take anything he says seriously anymore? He reminds me of the classic 1950s US comedy approach to Communism (if it’s bad, blame it on Communism), except in this case it’s the AN and he…is…actually…serious…
Again, Epic Lulz.
Rob Arten
Dec 17th, 2007
I\\\\\\\’m curious about Proteus, and too his comment.
I mean, he says that the first \\\\\\\’logical\\\\\\\’ conclusion he came to is that we\\\\\\\’re all socially degenerated. An interesting conclusion from one who not only attempts to \\\\\\\’diagnose\\\\\\\’ the \\\\\\\’problem\\\\\\\’ with playing Second Life, but also deems it neccessary to post his analysis in an article of completely unrelated topic. How about you write an article yourself, hmm? That should attract some interesting comments…
Besides, people couldn\\\\\\\’t -possibly- play Second Life because it\\\\\\\’s fun. Perish the thought! I mean, for someone so grey-minded as to actually perform a serious study on the psychological process behind pertaining in such virtual activities as presented beforehand in numerous other publications, the concept of fun must indeed be a far-off thing. Personally, I play Second Life because I enjoy the freedom it gives over nearly all other platforms out there. So, I want a Great-Axe in World of Warcraft that has a rotating McDonalds logo for a blade and shoots purple smoke from the tip. Yeah, as if that\\\\\\\’s going to happen. But in Second Life? Just a few minutes building and you\\\\\\\’re there.
So, maybe my life is bad. Maybe I have distanced myself from the rest of humanity by composing poorly thought-out comments on the reasons behind human activity. Or perhaps, I do what I do because I like it. Whilst some would evidently prefer us to be sat in front of an open fire, sipping a fine red wine and discussing the day\\\\\\\’s financial figures with business colleagues, those with a more open mind will spend their life in what way they see fit.
Reply plx, Proteus
Dj Yetto
Dec 17th, 2007
(forward slash me) is confused with all these big words. But, is please by the intlibber link. \o/
Corzakovich Lehtovaara
Dec 19th, 2007
“Hell they are STILL bawwing over Emit Time as if a lawful transfer of property from its owner (Uildiar Kuhn) to the next (Ailiance Navy) was not legit (executed by the estate owner herself), but what really gets them butthurt is that their griefing-in-uniform was parodied publicly for all of SL to see and the bawwing hasn’t stopped since.”
Yup we are still bawwing about Emit Time; and people are defiantly still bawwing over the parody of AN. But it seems you are the only one still bawwing over it Mr.Brautigan. So I suggest you catch up to the times honey and start bawwing over the “Boycott AN.”