Did Linden Lab’s Emerald Dev Coverup Lead To Woodbury Ban?

by Pixeleen Mistral on 19/05/10 at 12:47 pm

An attempted coverup of the leaked ModularSystems.com datamine database connecting IP addresses and Second Life avatars names may have been to blame for Linden Lab’s mass ban of the Soviet Woodbury faction and deletion of Woodbury University’s Second Life assets, according to chat logs provided to the Herald.

As previously reported, a group of Second Life client developers with close ties to Linden Lab maintained a database connecting over 16,000 avatar names with IP addresses and geo-location data at the ModularSystems web site. The database was populated by both in-world monitoring of avatars and from sign ups for Second Life accounts using the Emerald developers’ web site – and perhaps other methods.

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Fractured Crystal has no comment for the Herald

Under close questioning by Cam Mitchell, Emerald developer Fractured Crystal admitted to the existence of an avatar IP address tracking database during a vigorous discussion last month with some members of the Soviet Woodbury group and other onlookers. This may explain why, in the chatlogs below, Fractured Crystal is eager to point out that Cam Mitchell had received the gift of a hammer – presumably a “ban hammer” from the Linden staff. Is asking Fractured Crystal hard questions in public now a ban-worthy offense? Perhaps so.

After highlighting the ban of Cam Mitchell, Fractured Crystal warns Katelyn Manamiko that the consequences for the Woodbury faction could be severe, saying a database leak “could be considered sensitive information that some people wouldn’t want being lol released”.

Fractured Crystal/Jcool410 goes on to say that the planned public spin on the datamine was as a countermeasure to fight “griefing” on his land.

With 30 Linden Lab staff members in the database along with what may be some Linden alt accounts, Jcool and the gang seem to have a broad definition of griefing and acceptable tactics to fight anti-social behavior in the online realm. Does creating a large database populated almost entirely with what we presume are innocent residents really do anything to prevent drive-by particle spamming by troublemakers – or is this just a convenient cover story?

After switching to Sype chat Fractured Crystal/Jcool410 goes on to say, “I know what i’m describing is a bit harsh on WU but I feel its the only course with the highest probability of containing the situation, and preventing the unnecessary exposure of sensitive information about residents”. Apparently Fractured Crystal is not only working on a third party Second Life client – he is also helping make policy for the Linden governance team.

Working to further establish his thug with insider connections reputation, Fractured Crystal/Jcool410 says, “I’ve never claimed to be an angel, i’ve done terrible things in SL and I’ll probably do a hell of a lot more before i’m through but for me, the ends here justify these means”.

Is this someone you want writing your Second Life viewer software? Really?

For Linden Lab, has the end also justified the means? While the Woodbury faction is unlikely to maintain any sort of presence in Second Life after their second mass ban, the lack of action against the security and ethically challenged ModularSystems group does not inspire much confidence in the Lab’s judgement. While various Second Life mafias and factions exploit security issues in each other’s web sites, the Lab is sending a clear signal that anything goes – as long as you have powerful Linden friends. Look for M Linden to reposition Second Life as "Mafia Life" in the near future.

– Instant message logging enabled –
[12:38] Fractured ModularSystems: whats your opinion of Woodbury University (the inworld entity)
[12:38] Katelyn Manamiko: lol
[12:38] Katelyn Manamiko: hmm
[12:38] Fractured ModularSystems: also I heard Cam Scientist got a gift
[12:39] Katelyn Manamiko: the gift of a hammer?
[12:39] Fractured ModularSystems: something like that’
[12:39] Katelyn Manamiko: damn, looks like he did. I’ll have to find out if he’s back in yet
[12:40] Fractured ModularSystems: haha
[12:40] Fractured ModularSystems: anyways yeah
[12:40] Fractured ModularSystems: whats your opinion of Woodbury University (the inworld entity)
[12:40] Fractured ModularSystems: lol
[12:40] Katelyn Manamiko: well…
[12:40] Katelyn Manamiko: It’s complicated :->
[12:40] Katelyn Manamiko: There are some very good aspects, and some not-so-good.
[12:41] Katelyn Manamiko: I think what tizz is trying to do for education in virtual worlds is interesting and pretty cool.
[12:41] Katelyn Manamiko: some of the other stuff, i.e. griefing and trolling people, I could do without
[12:41] Fractured ModularSystems: ill cut straight to it, while they were playing security breach they got a database of IP/avatar correlations
[12:42] Katelyn Manamiko: ah…. interesting
[12:42] Fractured ModularSystems: i don’t know what effect that would have if released
[12:42] Fractured ModularSystems: but I think it would do far more damage to WU than anyone else
[12:42] Fractured ModularSystems: as a enity inworlkd and its reputation
[12:43] Fractured ModularSystems: entity*
[12:43] Fractured ModularSystems: I’ve already messaged Tizzy but i wanted to run stuff by you because your online and i was curious what you’d say
[12:44] Katelyn Manamiko: Well, my first question is, why were you / you guys keeping such a database?
[12:44] Fractured ModularSystems: I can explain only if you keep the explanation to yourself, as its intended to be used in a public notice if things are unable to be contained
[12:45] Fractured ModularSystems: o.o
[12:46] Katelyn Manamiko: Contained how? I thought everything was rosy… The subtext I’m picking up here is that this DB is intended to be used as dirt on who is whose alt, because that’s pretty much the only thing I know of that one could correlate from tracking IP addresses, and even then it’s not foolproof.
[12:46] Fractured ModularSystems: "Datamine (named such in humour) was a database that was initially created to correlate the IP addresses of visitors to the Emerald Point simulator after several instances of chain-alt griefing. These correlations were created through the use of the standard land media functionality in any viewer. , although these nodes were eventually removed."
[12:47] Fractured ModularSystems: it was a griefing countermeasure for my sim
[12:47] Katelyn Manamiko: okay, that makes sense.
[12:47] Fractured ModularSystems: anyways
[12:47] Katelyn Manamiko: so if that’s all it is, why are you worried about it being released?
[12:47] Fractured ModularSystems: because I cannot predict the result
[12:48] Fractured ModularSystems: also
[12:48] Fractured ModularSystems: it could be considered sensitive information that some people wouldnt want being lolreleased
[12:48] Fractured ModularSystems: however
[12:49] Fractured ModularSystems: everything I know suggests that while the result is not something I can predetermine, I think more heat would fall on the individuals who stole the database, both from us and LL
[12:49] Fractured ModularSystems: and even if the heat was equivalent
[12:49] Fractured ModularSystems: it would likely be attributed to WU
[12:49] Fractured ModularSystems: and WU is on thin ice with LL as it is
[12:49] Fractured ModularSystems: real thin from what people tell me
[12:49] Katelyn Manamiko: In the situation you’re describing, nobody would come out a winner.
[12:50] Fractured ModularSystems: lol
[12:50] Fractured ModularSystems: I am going to tell tizzy i think its in their best interest to do what they can to ensure that no such incidents took place
[12:50] Fractured ModularSystems: skype
[12:50] Katelyn Manamiko: k


second part is in skype:
[3:51:02 PM] jcool410: We’ve been approached by LL regarding this issue
[3:51:32 PM] jcool410: theyhave already been provided with the IP address that accessed our systems, which will probably not reflect well on crawlingins governance notes
[3:51:51 PM] jcool410: but they indicated they would REALLY rather this be contained
[3:52:17 PM] Kate: I can imagine.
[3:52:24 PM] Kate: Let me see if I can get tizz to come online
[3:52:37 PM] jcool410: all I can say it is really seems like even in the worst case scenario
[3:52:39 PM] jcool410: we take a hit
[3:52:45 PM] jcool410: but we aren’t the ones who take the fall
[3:55:04 PM] Kate: Let reciprocate your blunt-ness with some of my own: There’s a group called The Wrong Hands that is made up primarily of members from WU, but it’s a separate entity. This is the group that took on the JLU a while back and stole their wiki. I’m not a member of this group, I’m not privy to their discussions or actions.
[3:55:44 PM] jcool410: to do the maximum damage to TWH would unfortunately effect WU anyway
[3:55:59 PM] jcool410: I don’t expect you to know
[3:56:06 PM] jcool410: I’m just looking for your opinion
[3:56:08 PM] Kate: Probably. Most people do not make the distinction
[3:56:24 PM] jcool410: we certainly won’t be going out of our way to make one for them
[3:56:40 PM] Kate: hmm, my opinion…
[3:57:14 PM] Kate: I dunno j.
[3:57:15 PM] Kate: ugh
[3:57:24 PM] jcool410: I know what im describing is a bit harsh on WU
[3:57:53 PM] jcool410: but I feel its the only course with the highest probability of containing the situation, and preventing the unnecessary exposure of sensitive information about residents
[3:58:47 PM] Kate: There ain’t no angels on either side :-/
[3:58:55 PM | Edited 3:58:58 PM] jcool410: I’ve never claimed to be an angel
[3:59:14 PM] jcool410: ive done terrible things in SL and I’ll probably do a hell of a lot more before im through
[3:59:25 PM] jcool410: but for me, the ends here justify these means
[3:59:52 PM] Kate: The end is keeping emerald legit and shiny in the eyes of the lab, and the means is… what, destroying WU?
[4:00:02 PM] jcool410: LL knows about the leak
[4:00:12 PM] jcool410: so their eyes are uneffected
[4:00:49 PM] jcool410: the end is a: protecting my work from the fallout, b: preventing the exposure of those residents alts
[4:01:28 PM] jcool410: I get it if they want to play games, but they’ve not exactly been making distinctions between CDS , Onys, and Emerald themselves
[4:01:38 PM] Kate: Kate nods
[4:01:40 PM] jcool410: I prefer brute force approaches to problems
[4:01:44 PM] jcool410: they are being a problem
[4:01:53 PM] jcool410: Cam Scientist was a problem
[4:01:56 PM] jcool410: you get the idea
[4:02:06 PM] jcool410: and I know this makes me sound awful
[4:02:18 PM] jcool410: but I don’t really see any other options on my part
[4:03:15 PM] Kate: I can see your position. The only thing I ask is that you talk to tizz about this before making a decision of this magnitude.
[4:03:21 PM] jcool410: of course

102 Responses to “Did Linden Lab’s Emerald Dev Coverup Lead To Woodbury Ban?”

  1. At0m0 Beerbaum

    May 20th, 2010

    I still love how many people here are so far off, yet act like experts 8D

  2. Kiddoh

    May 20th, 2010

    Also; Ted, you’re a faggot.

  3. It's Unfixable

    May 20th, 2010

    Also: what difference does it make, it’s the end result that counts: Woodbury is banned, and all the bawwing in the world isn’t going to get you back in. It’s the Grid versus Woodbury, and the Grid won.

  4. MOAR

    May 20th, 2010

    Funny how some people here assume that banning Woodbury accounts would stop any of the people behind those accounts from being on the grid. Especially those who hacked or griefed. You really think you can ban them permanently?

    The only thing which is gone is the Woodbury region. There are 10000 other places on the grid where they can meet. Want to delete them too?

    And I don’t really know any Woodbury regulars, but if only half of them are the notorious griefers some people label them, then I doubt that the deletion of the region was the last chapter in this drama.

  5. It's Unfixable

    May 20th, 2010

    Oh, sure, they can get ON. But they can’t get on AS WOODBURY. And that does make all the difference. The cabal is broken.

  6. It's Unfixable

    May 20th, 2010

    Oh and: “Did Linden Lab’s Emerald Dev Coverup Lead To Woodbury Ban?”

    Very likely no, at least not directly. JCool himself says he can’t predict exactly what would happen, so he didn’t have anything more than a suspicion that LL might act, and that they were probably pretty close to doing something drastic anyway.

  7. We

    May 20th, 2010

    @It’s unfixable
    “Oh, sure, they can get ON. But they can’t get on AS WOODBURY. And that does make all the difference. The cabal is broken.”

    You do realize that there are other ways to communicate outside of SL. Woodbury has forums, vent servers, chat rooms, etc. They haven’t been scattered, the only thing that they lost the right to openly use is the name. If Woodbury are the horrible mega-griefer hive-mind everyone thinks it is, that wouldn’t bother them much, it didn’t bother the PN much. And if they’re NOT the mega-griefer hive-mind that they’ve been attributed, you might want to ask yourself why they were banned at all. I’d say the LACK of retaliatory griefing in the name of Woodbury since their ban says a hell of a lot about whether or not they were actually “grid griefers”.

  8. vigilance at all times

    May 20th, 2010

    Now that “the herald” has this list… they can do some cross referencing too I suspect. Put some inworld names to these anon postings finally.

  9. It's Unfixable

    May 20th, 2010

    @We, that’s just wishful thinking. Of course they’re still together as a social group. But they no longer have the bully pulpit, or the pretense of legitimacy, that’s all been lost. Same thing with the PN (though they had less legitimacy to lose in the first place).

    The name Woodbury was their umbrella, under whose cover they could do all sorts of things in plain sight and get away with them. Now they can still do all those things, but they have to do them in secret and under cover of darkness like any other internet gang.

  10. Jayd3n

    May 21st, 2010

    Emerald Team needs to be disbanned, and removed from Second Life, as well As Client detection system, due to both of these guys abusing, and using methods of spyware which violates the Terms OF Service.

    Woodbury University did nothing wrong, and I agree with their lawsuite against Linden Lab, although I hate saying such things, it is true. Yes there were people who used CopyBots, Stole things, and such, but the owners did not allow such things. The sandboxes were set to manual return so that residents could enjoy building, and Freedom of speech there. I could say anything really and not get banned, Freedom to express yourself. Some people took things too far, and anyone involved with illegal actions should have been properly abuse reported.

    As for people using their region to abuse, it is Linden Lab responsibility for them to ban TOS violaters, Not residents. If I took hundreds of alt accounts all over the Grid, and Crashed sims owned by Govener Linden, Preformed DDOS attacks from within SL servers, would they hold Governer Linde Responsible, because it happen every day on his Land?

    All I can say is that the admins tried their best, and much more, people did not handle disputes properly with them, and file abuse reprots right.

    As far as Linden Lab has said in the past. Set the Land to group to avoid Griefing, how does that help when a group is toggled open Enrollment, and such.

    We all pay $295 a month or $150 or something for educational Non Profit sims which is what woodbury was, It was used for a real life school students and such, which used that as a place to break school rules in the virtual world, Hold classes on photoshop and such. And they were nice to let the public use it, but abusers abused, and thats not their faults.

    I am starting to See Second Life come to an end, even as I speak other new 2010 MMO Games have customizations for people to develop their own art in game, and stuff, like…

    Blue Mars
    Entropia <— not so much
    All Points bulletin
    Open Grid.

    Just give it time keep this up sl will end.

  11. Judge Joker

    May 21st, 2010

    @It’s Unfixable

    “The name Woodbury was their umbrella” that would make Woodbury a resident evil?

    That hive mind Tizzers is a pesky critter, shes always a chargin her lazer and cutting people to pieces.

    But who’s better suited to control a soviet style raccoon city, rapidly dominated by furries?

  12. Kiddoh

    May 21st, 2010

    /me slaps Judge Joker

    If I remember right, it was rare to see a majority furry population in any of the WU sims and with the possibility that a lot of the members in the group may have been furries, very little of them were active or ever contributed anything. ‘Dominated’ is hardly the word you’re looking for.

  13. At0m0 Beerbaum

    May 21st, 2010

    and to back up jayd3n’s claim. I was one of the admins (hence the ban) and if anyone was copybotting in the sandboxes, they got a ticket to bantown asap. Copybotting and visiting the sims just to AR people for no reason (like someone on an alt showing up, taking pics, then bragging about ARing everyone in a group to make them “pay” for being such bad people. Just because they were woodbury. Were reasons to be banned, otherwise, what someone did outside of the sims was not our concern, that’s linden labs’ concern. As what that individual did was his or her own issue, and it wasn’t some royal order from above to go out and make fun of someone. However, LL and Emerald wanted to push guilt by association card instead, much like the rest of SL.

    The hilarious part is, people think that us banning someone from our group will make them stop griefing.

    No, they’ll just find somewhere else to hang.

    Sadly most of the sheep who play SL don’t ever see it that way. After all, people in spandex said we’re bad.

  14. At0m0 Beerbaum

    May 21st, 2010

    @It’s Unfixable
    @Vigilance at all times

    ^^^ same person

  15. Gundel Gaukelei

    May 21st, 2010

    It’s such a pity you can’t get famous and stay under the radar at the same time.

  16. We

    May 21st, 2010

    @It’s Unfixable

    “The name Woodbury was their umbrella, under whose cover they could do all sorts of things in plain sight and get away with them. Now they can still do all those things, but they have to do them in secret and under cover of darkness like any other internet gang.”

    Uh, isn’t how one keeps a “pretext of legitimacy” by doing things secretly and under cover of darkness? Governments call some operations “Black ops” for a reason.

    It always seemed to me that people called Woodbury’s universe status a “pretext for legitimacy” because they couldn’t think of a single griefing event to attribute to Woodbury, but they SO want to blame them for everything.

  17. Ted

    May 21st, 2010

    Kiddoh said to me:

    “Also; Ted, you’re a faggot.”

    Well, yeah… it happens. I was called this name on two different times and occasions. One was on the play ground when I was 14 (30 years ago), the other was when I started using ubuntu linux after years of being a slackmaster (slackware). So yeah. You are the third to say such to me and I accept your freedom of speech.

    I do think you need to grow up. But that is just an “opinion”.

  18. Ted

    May 21st, 2010

    Oh yeah Kiddoh,

    Oh, and btw, if you want any type of real deal “U make a difference”, at least argue, conspire, and have an opinion that directly reflects the topics. You might consider reading Gundel Gaukelei’s ideas and comments on this site. Short, sweet and with respect to the platform, not always agreed to, but at least coherent and respectful.

    I guess, grow up “Kiddoh’s” are in order.

  19. Ted

    May 21st, 2010

    Oh Also, that doesn’t mean you cannot post or ramble as you do, we all love the freedom of the press, but name calling, well, you do see where the lines should be drawn I hope.

    Calling me a faggot is not the same as calling Linden Lab a company that is in serious need of real leadership. Calling me a faggot doesn’t directly reflect my business ideas, goals, accomplishments, nor my desire for Linden to dance where suggested I should.

    Only Yahweh himself gives truth, all other is opinion and ideas.

  20. It's Unfixable

    May 21st, 2010

    @We – you can drop the whole “Woodbury never did a single bad thing” act. That ship sailed months ago, and nobody’s on board.

  21. IntLibber Brautigan

    May 21st, 2010

    @Unfixable: Compared to what other people do hiding behind fake names, or wearing spandex, or hanging in Don Lindens bug hunters group, Woodbury’s sins were rather minimal. Standing around on top of a dam on public e-Land isn’t a wrong of any sort.
    If you haven’t figured it out by now, Prokofy only holds these fake “public meetings” so she can RP being a “public leader”, seem wonky, and serve as a magnet so she can ban people she doesn’t like so she can then publicly declare them griefers simply because she banned them, not for anything they actually did.

    Woodbury students found Proks demagogic tactics fascinating to watch and call the play by play on, and like the wizard behind the curtain, Prok grew more riled up the more the kids kept opening the curtain, claiming, “See how they are harassing me as I go about my business of ranting and turning SL into a clone of the cesspool of tyranny we call real life?”

    The reason the Herald continues to cover the Woodbury story is partly because the negative comments each story solicits from the Lindens, their fanbois, the JLU and their fanbois, and Prok and her fanbois, says more about the commenters than about the Herald.

    These commenters demonstrate the truth that a sizable segment of any population, even one entirely made up of people who are voluntarily present, will choose security and tyranny over freedom, rights, and democracy, every time. As life in such a society becomes more intolerable, repressive, and tyrannical, these people will stick their heads deeper in the sand, and like a lobster in a pot of hot water, will simply lie to themselves and to others, insisting that the heat is good for you and it should only get hotter.

    This is how civilizations collapse.

  22. The Avatar Formally Known As . . .

    May 21st, 2010

    Oh Ted, I think you are a faggot too!

  23. We

    May 21st, 2010


    I’m sure it’s possible they have, what’s interesting is no one seems to have any actual examples of the group as a whole doing any griefing. They’ve “heard” of it, usually from the rumor-mills Prokofy or the JLU, but I’ve asked again and again “give me an example” and came up with nothing but vague rumors or shrug-offs like you just gave me there.

    I’m just pointing out how ridiculous it is that you were suggesting they were trying to pretend to be a legitimate university while at the same time suggesting that they were running around openly griefing people in the name of their group. That’s two contradictory ideas you’re trying to get me to believe, and apparently you already believe.

    You may want to reanalyze your thoughts.

  24. Kiddoh

    May 21st, 2010

    Ou Ted~ how people can lose their cool so easily. All it took was one sentence.

    The language someone uses does not define someone’s maturity- it’s their actions.

    Prime example: Kids cry when you call them names.

    I called you a faggot and you cried three different times. It just goes to show me how “mature” you are. You lack a lot of personal experiences. When you can think more level-headedly, let me know and I’ll be more than willing to take you seriously.

  25. Glenn Beck

    May 21st, 2010

    You know who else said Woodbury were greifers and never could cite examples?

    … Hitler.

  26. Kiddoh

    May 21st, 2010

    I know you’re a joke account, Glenn, but the events surrounding WU are very similar to the holocaust what with JLU and LL being the Nazis that they are.

  27. Glenn Beck

    May 22nd, 2010


    And those around pointing at WU laughing claiming they really were greifers with out offering any evidence is exactly like holocaust deniers claiming Jews have all the money and power and not providing any evidence for said claim.

    You know who else denied the holocaust?


  28. Glenn Beck

    May 22nd, 2010


    Also, you’re a joke account. Like ACORN.

  29. Kiddoh

    May 22nd, 2010

    “Also, you’re a joke account. Like ACORN.”

    Oh fuck!

  30. Charity Stohr

    May 22nd, 2010

    Fact is, jcool declines comment because he knows he did wrong. When good organizations fuck up they come out and say they fucked up, how the fucked up, and what they will do to fix the fuck up. jcool refuses to do that which raises red flags. He has posted on various forms offering excuses to the tune of ‘This isn’t bad because the people who hacked into it are worse’ sort of Scientology attack the attacker never defend style arguments. When we do get an explanation ‘it’s for stopping greifers’ but never say how or why they bothered to keep in people he knows damn well do not greif, i.e. Lindens. It’s completely laughable that someone who was a griefer, made VLife and renamed it to Onyx, scatters hundreds of OnyxBots across the grid (for got knows why,) and keeps a log of tens thousands of SL avatars with geo-locations and IPs who have never greifed to say he’s fighting greifing.

    jcool is a joke. I would never trust a pre-compiled copy Emerald from ModularSystems given the way jcool, Phox and others conduct themselves. Wether or not it had anything to do with the WU bannings or not, those 2 are pond scum and the catfish is coming.

  31. Tayste

    May 22nd, 2010

    ^Pretty much sums it up.

  32. At0m0 Beerbaum

    May 22nd, 2010

    The other part that’s great:

    people saying WU is fake.

    It’s quite real, might have a lot of fake people in it, (hey, it’s burbank.)but it is real.

    Like I said before, I used SL because of woodbury, and not only because the rest of the grid was boring, but also because the rest of the grid was insanely hostile, and these comments even show that.

    In contrast, Blue Mars is quite friendly.

    There is something very wrong with SL and its users. It’s like this cult-like mentality that permeates from the top down.

  33. Judge Joker

    May 22nd, 2010

    Well I always thought Kalel “Kim Jong Il” Venkman was operating some kinda personality cult, everything he says is white washed to the state rhetoric of his mind, that he can do no wrong and anyone who says different is an enemy combatant.

    If anyone takes a close look it’s obvious hes deluded spouting propaganda like a 3rd rate communist country, who takes pleasure in latching onto the sinking of Woodburys submarine before it torpedoed any of his ships, hes far too small but mythically too big for the underpants he wears as a superhero costume, I suspect he will be referring to himself as the “Supreme Leader” shortly.

    You sunk my battleship!

    Good thing is we can now compare him not to superman but to Superman: Red Son

    The premise is simple: let’s assume Superman’s cradle/spaceship landed in Russia rather than the U.S.A., and that he was raised on a Russian farming commune. The concept that he would also embrace and adopt the principals of communism is not terribly difficult to accept. After all, it doesn’t seem like that far a leap from saving humanity to giving everyone basic human needs and treating everyone as equals. But, like communism, the implementation doesn’t quite match up with the theory, and in the end of this book, Superman’s ideals are twisted and corrupted.



  34. The Avatar Formally Known As . . .

    May 22nd, 2010

    Charity, I think you are right. But I also think I have the reason. As I have said before. We know they are what they claim to fight. But how to become exclusive, and go down in Slistory as the most famous, simple: pretend to have reformed, work to eliminate all competition to Onyx. Then sell it.

    But, there is a flaw. They aren’t all that. Especially Jcool. So they get discovered. The skiddie arrogance comes through. Instead of discussing the point, they explain it is to fight griefers, or the person who hacked is worse, or its only your IP (as we have seen through this and other recent discussions).

    Get rid of the competition and capture the market. I guess a leopard in a fluffy bunny suit is still a spotted leopard.

  35. Glenn Beck

    May 23rd, 2010

    “I guess a leopard in a fluffy bunny suit is still a spotted leopard.”

    You know who else had a bunny fursuit?

    … Hitler!

  36. Dave Bell

    May 23rd, 2010

    The problem is in deciding who to trust.

    Woodbury is a real-world institution, and you could sic lawyers onto them.

    Linden Lab, likewise, and there is a big court case in the works.

    Modular Systems and the “Emerald Developers”: it’s not easy to find a real-world contact point.

    What I do know is that the current version of Emerald is horribly slow. And it started being horribly slow at about the same time as the SL servers were upgraded before the release of Viewer 2.

    I’ve stopped using Emerald. Other viewers are much faster. I don’t care whether or not the people behind it are crooks when they seem to be incompetent.

  37. Jayd3n

    May 24th, 2010

    Yeah I stopped using Emerald as well, and other viewers are way faster now. The reason is because of all the spyware stuff they pack into the viewer and all the silly functions which slow the whole thing down.

    I think Linden Lab Needs to bring back WoodBury, They really did nothing wrong, and it should be up to individuals and groups to keep security, and secrets safe, not Linden Lab.

    Who cares if they leaked the JLU Wiki, that was nothing to do with Linden Lab, and I spoke to the JLU Leader himself they are all nice people, I think they should just both be honest to the public about what was going on, and that Woodbury Did have griefers and stuff, But Tizzy did not support them.

    I have been Griefed bad myself on my own estates, People come down Lay sim crashers down crash them before in the past, or other things. But Linden Lab did not ban my account for their actions.

  38. Kiddoh

    May 24th, 2010

    lol Jay. Perhaps you should voice these things to LL? Telling LL to bring back WU on the Herald’s not going to do much.

    Also; The leader of the JLU himself is quite the psychopath.

  39. The Avatar Formally Known As . . .

    May 24th, 2010

    “I spoke to the JLU Leader himself they are all nice people”

    Yes, multiple personality disorder – You know he has hundreds of alts – to keep everyone safe in the grid – of course.
    Although I would say nice – personally.

    Creepy at least.

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  41. archie

    May 31st, 2010


    Faggots – meatballs enjoyed by the London east end people, also known as ‘Cockneys’.

    Queens Ingrish mate.

  42. IntLibber Brautigan

    Jun 1st, 2010

    Added benefit of Woodbury being banned from SL: now there is absolutely NOTHING stopping /b/tards from tricking the shit out of Kalels RL house at Halloween this year.

  43. At0m0 Beerbaum

    Jun 2nd, 2010


    Hey blubbs, go back to making jizz puddles.

  44. It's Unfixable

    Jun 2nd, 2010

    So basically the answer to “Did Linden Lab’s Emerald Dev Coverup Lead To Woodbury Ban?” is a good solid “no”.

    So glad we had this little conversation and got the matter cleared up.

  45. Kiddoh

    Jun 3rd, 2010

    @Unfixable: You’re incorrect. Carl Linden confirmed WU was banned because of the Emerald Cover-up and he was fired for it.

  46. IntLibber Brautigan

    Jun 3rd, 2010

    So basically, Unfixable, you have your head jammed firmly up your ass, once again.

  47. JeffreyATW

    Jun 3rd, 2010

    @Kiddoh I did no such thing. All I did was confirmed that they were banned.

  48. Kiddoh

    Jun 4th, 2010

    @Jeffrey: Oh~ alright then. My-bad. Sorry about that something must have gotten lost in translation.

    But then again. Why the hell would they fire you for stating the obvious?

  49. JeffreyATW

    Jun 10th, 2010

    @Kiddoh Even a small NDA violation is still an NDA violation, sadly. I contested it, but there were “trust issues” surrounding it.

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