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264 Responses to “Emerald Site Security Broken! Data Mining Shocks Linden Lab!!!”

1. 

   Cartman
   

   May 11th, 2010
   

   Anybody notice that this is just another case of breaking and entering? Why is this okay?

   Is anybody actually worried that their IP address getting out there is a violation of their privacy? If you are, get off the internet – EVERY WEB SITE NEEDS TO COLLECT YOUR IP ADDRESS before it’ll let you see it! WoooooOOOOoooo, scary!
2. 

   Kiddoh
   

   May 11th, 2010
   

   Again, Cartman. Every point you have tried to make has already been cock slapped on the SLU forums. \D
3. 

   V
   

   May 11th, 2010
   

   @Cartman: Sites store IP adresses. This particular database stored IP adresses connected to SL identities and RL location, for purposes unknown, but done by a group of people who either deploy or are connected to a mass-ban system. Kinda some difference to someone logging IP adresses from website visitors to get some colourful graphs about what they read and how they came there. I don’t get it why anyone would find this here acceptable. Did you really register through ModSys or go to Emerald Point with the knowledge that your data would be stored and tracked by them? If so, then you really impressed me.
4. 

   ladida
   

   May 11th, 2010
   

   @cartman
   there is a difference, if information are stored in logfiles for the logging and statistic reason, or if they are processed for identifying people.
   people are complaining about the fact, when the government gathers these information for exactly the same reason, but this would be ok because its just done by random people who allready got banned several times because they werent able to follow simple rules?

   sorry, but i worry, when jcool gatheres information. who knows what he planned in his sick mind.
5. 

   Judge Joker
   

   May 11th, 2010
   

   @Kelindra Talamasca

   I believe the rule was if your in SL to data mine or do studies or any law enforcement against it’s residents Linden Labs has to be informed.

   “it is established fact that law enforcement agencies as well as private detection agencies ARE in SL” are you referring to the real police force policing second life rape? or was that a myth?

   I only hear of the wannabes and kinda proves a point in it’s self that if the JLU where legal and had a brain at all, then they would not wear a superhero costume like a big fat target.

   And yet Lindens listen to them and encourage them to break the TOS, against resident privacy.

   Any one with half a brain and who complies with the real world laws, don’t advertise themselves like you said, only a moron would like Kalel Venkman.

   Kalels been used like an old condom….. by Lindens who can’t do anything themselves due to real world laws but wanted fuck with other residents.

   But Kalel still hangs onto M Linden like a last drop of piss you need to squeeze from your cock.

   So how can Soft and Joe consider this a very serious event?, when they must have been aware and turning a blind eye to what the JLU have been encouraged to do by there puppeteer Lindens.
6. 

   The Avatar Formally Known As . . .
   

   May 11th, 2010
   

   It amazes me how stupid these geoip whingers are. It is not your IP that is an issue. Look I will try to spell it out.

   You create an account at MS website, via regapi (hacked).
   So MS now has AV name, password and IP.

   You download Emerald and log in.
   Encrypted data is sent to MS website.
   If they don’t like you because of whatever the client closes.

   If you download the Emerald source and compile it, it does not send this data. The open source code is NOT the Emerald viewer they distribute.

   If you log in alts, that account is also sent.

   Proxy doesn’t help. Because the client is sending the data.

   I still hear ‘so what’, well this is what: They have your username. They have your password. They have your L$. And they have your creations. All without copybot.

   Don’t believe me? I am someone who the Emerald hackers dislike. If I create a new account and log in on a new pc running emerald it works fine. If I log out and log in a known account, emerald crashes. If I then try the new account, that too crashes.

   So want further proof? Watch the packets. Compare them to the normal viewer.

   If you still want Flexitits then go forth little lamb, for your shepherd calls. If not, uninstall Emerald, and change all your passwords!

   This whole business is verging on a crime syndicate. They could easily create a bot that uses stored data to log in and pay all L$ to a set account. It wouldn’t take long to become very rich.
7. 

   Noize
   

   May 11th, 2010
   

   I like to add another comment^^^
   I think LL cant ban the emerald client w/o getting a lot of trouble from the users. i guess.
8. 

   Hazim Gazov
   

   May 11th, 2010
   

   @Noize

   IIRC they’ve banned all pre-1634 versions of emerald.
9. 

   Noize
   

   May 11th, 2010
   

   ps: what the fuck are OnyxBotTest00 Emerald -.-
10. 

    Noize
    

    May 11th, 2010
    

    Of Course they banned all Pre Emerald version since Neillife Private based on Emerald 950 and since he quit… ppl paid for nothing lots of money…. As i may can add, I used that client because i was not able to enjoy SL w/o getting crashed by fags who had onyx tag… Luckly my account is gone and they happy btw emerald 16xx Installer does wierd things to your WIndows Registery. YOU can see for yourself with the Outpost Internet Security Suite…
11. 

    Cartman
    

    May 11th, 2010
    

    @Judge Joker – wow, you’re really butthurt over Kalel Venkman! Got caught, did you? Nobody’s pissed at him except those that get caught, from what I’ve ever seen. Wah, wah, the wanker with the cape used the rules and caught me. Wah wah wah.

    Get a life. Jeez, it’s just a fricking game.

    @The Avatar – Okay, NOW I get it. It’s not just the IP’s, it’s what you do with them afterwards that’s the problem, and if that’s what’s really happening. But couldn’t that be just Emerald screwing with your cache or something? I assume you cleared your cache and all that?
12. 

    Hazim Gazov
    

    May 11th, 2010
    

    Isn’t it just an inno setup script? Just extract it and look at it, I highly doubt you’ll find anything interesting.
13. 

    Cartman
    

    May 11th, 2010
    

    Also, by the way, @Avatar, you’re saying a lot here about what MS can do, but can you show us how you know they can do this? It’d be easier to take it all in if there was some sort of proof.
14. 

    Cartman
    

    May 11th, 2010
    

    @ladida, yeah, I do see your point.
15. 

    The Avatar Formally Known As . . .
    

    May 11th, 2010
    

    Cartman, the regapi is a simple hack and as seen above is logging data.

    Emerald source does not compile the same as the distributed version, try it. As for the data it sends, by all means download some decent net tools and watch the packets. Then do the same for your compiled version. It isn’t the same.

    Having already done this with the CDS, I would have thought more people would be looking. Guess not.

    The only thing I do not see the link is the CDS. Unless the CDS php script also sends to the MS DB then I don’t see them sharing detections. However, if this is the case then the implications are bad. Because the MS group can track gridwide (you do realise they have wearable detectors right?).
16. 

    Gundel Gaukelei
    

    May 11th, 2010
    

    @cartman

    Your excuse for crime is there is crime already
17. 

    Jayd3n
    

    May 11th, 2010
    

    I recieved some of this data just before emerald got hacked, and Know the people who did it (; Good thing for me they wont be giving out my info in the public reports.

    Anyways…

    Fractured Crystal = JCool the VLife copybot developer, and I do not trust any of the emerald team at all working with known Copybotters, and hackers.

    Emerald needs to be removed from SecondLife, And Skills Hak’s CDS, and Onyx, and everything even related Even ZF Redzone.

    It is all violating our privacy using illegal methods of detection and Must be stopped.
18. 

    Sarah Ortiz
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    If you go read the Modular Systems site, it simply says that they got hacked. And if you look at the data they looked up, it was about Tizzers Foxchase. This really DOES seem to be all about Woodbury, after all, doesn’t it? Just Woodbury hacking into this server and that server to see if they can find information about themselves – it looks very suspicious, and probably a lot more illegal than gathering IP addresses. I’m not surprised Linden Lab banned them.
19. 

    Nebula/PinkBunny
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    Emerald is just sl viewer with pretty beams and functions that half work and weigh down the viewer causing lag. get rid of it.
20. 

    IntLibber Brautigan
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    Aaaand … the other shoe drops.

    I can pretty much guarantee that Cyn ordered Jack to take down WU’s sims based on this information, albeit with Marty advising her to do so to cover LL’s butts for enabling MS. Just as LL’s DRM weaknesses and negligence in protecting user IP led to Stroker’s suit, the privacy weaknesses and negligence in LL allowing MS to operate open a huge liability for LL. Cyn is the VP mentioned in Hazim’s emails, aka the same person who failed upwards after being responsible for stealing Marc Bragg’s land.

    One of the problems with the concept of open narrative games like SL is that the game gods cannot allow themselves to be sucked into the users narratives. The failure here is that LL’s politically correct community standards privileged some factions who empowered themselves by which to leveraging the game gods into becoming players themselves via their gestapo and cooperation with vigilantes. The result is civil strife, repression, revolt and insurrection, and disapora.

    I warned Marty and Jack long ago not to go down this path.

    If LL wants to save its ass, it needs to fire those responsible for these cockups. Then it needs to dump the “community standards” and instead adopt an avatar bill of rights model akin to what Raph had in his VW and go back to LL’s old standard of recognising the property rights of its users. Come into compliance with Marsh vs Alabama, and make the governance team what it was originally supposed to be, a team intended to help the community build its own institutions of self governance (not a gestapo swat team). Build a systems of due process and transparent justice.

    Until LL does this, people will continue to expose the abuses of the lab and their buddies. People demand their rights, and self governance.
21. 

    Samantha
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    I will pay $1000USD to anyone who will zip me a grid ready Onyx viewer. I also want the source files and any other support items to go with it. Payment will be by wire or in person depending on your location. ( I will fly to you)
22. 

    (???) (???)
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    The original Emerald Point April 14th 2010 video with (full audio in the description)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNB1uDc6CBw

    Recordings of phox at Emerald Point.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ73SzcYltQ

    More to come!
23. 

    Kiddoh
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    @Sarah: WU didn’t hack shit. It was all Hazim. \D
24. 

    At0m0 Beerbaum
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    The picture of the emerald devs with key LL people to me is evidence enough as to why not only my account got nuked, but so did WU and everyone involved got nuked.

    The hilarious thing is, all these people making a huge fuss over us being gone because of our own “evil deeds”, despite being pretty damn quiet since 2007 (yet getting all the credit for others’ deeds. 8D) that the real criminals, doing real evil stuff, go largely unpunished, and ignored.

    it’s the quiet ones you watch out for.

    The most hilarious part about this? The fact that the bad ‘ol evil griefers who everyone hates (because their friends tell us we’re evil as did their friends and so on) have been right so far about the JLU, who for an honorable group dedicated to justice, resorted to abusing the law and breaking it to silence the truth, the truth they supposedly defended to protect their attempts to control others.

    Now as it seems, someone else has decided to uncover another group, one more insidious than the JLU. Who, much like the JLU have created another “helpful and beneficial” system to essentially collect info and track people down as they see fit, and a client removal program that blacklists any and all clients that compete with theirs. Not to mention, attempted to silence those who questioned them. Much like they did with Woodbury. We called them out, and we went poof. It was a message to anyone else who dared to question their power.

    The fact Linden Labs was involved this time, directly, speaks leagues about the company. The fact they willingly work with criminals to help keep their company running, tells you how much you can trust them.

    Sadly most of the userbase will fail to see this until it’s too late.

    After I was banned I had the credit card I was using for SL to pull money out of the game, changed because I could barely trust the company with it in the first place. Hell if they removed me because of immature reasons, I’d assume they’d pull immature and illegal things because I was just an “evil griefer.” plus the fact they’re working with Emerald so closely, I wonder how much access modularsystems has to SL and customer payment info. might be a longshot, but Linden Labs has made really dumb moves before.

    I also have not tried to get back in since I was banned, most of it is because I’d rather not deal with a company that treats customers badly and outsources work to known criminals and scam artists.

    Also, on a personal level, this is another reason I hate furries.
25. 

    Serendipity Seraph
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    I am missing something. Why the hell would emerald or any other client have any business knowing real life identities? Is there a hole in the information that LL makes available? Sure seems like it to me. And why exactly would they be tracking and caching IP information? I don’t see how either of these should be part of their legitimate activities. Unless I am missing something I think their actions were reprehensible and legally actionable.
26. 

    Baaa Goat
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    Guys! Look at the horror I just found, the link in my name!

    The travesty!
27. 

    Neo Citizen
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    I call on Atom0′s rant. WU got caught enough times to trigger their deletion, and that’s really all that happened.

    It just never occurred to you that there might be more than one guiding interest at Linden Lab. Certainly Tizzers never told any of you you were on probation, so that’s his fail right there – and then OOPS, just when you thought you were winning, you lost. And the reasons why are obvious to everyone but you lot. Which is, of course, WHY you lost in the first place.

    Hacking into other people’s computers and defrauding Linden Lab by pretending to be a university just to get the educational discount is obviously more illegal and far worse than collecting IP addresses. Pretending otherwise is just delusional.
28. 

    Danziel Lane
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    Yep, Goat, we know it.
    Every browser tells the IP and it’s necessary to get the info back from the server that should be shown. Every webserver knows and logs the IP of every visitor.

    And sometimes, when in a forum that I am admin in, someone starts trolling, I even look up, where that guy lives.

    We know, the datamining described here is quite easy and most of it even legal.

    HOWEVER,

    When I log in on their sim, they would check my name and UUID and IP and then they would have the information on their database:
    Danziel lane comes from Berlin, Germany
    If I tell that here, it’s my free will to tell you. Nevertheless it’s private data that the ava of Danziel is manipulated from Berlin.

    What this database does: it does tell this information to anyone who uses that DB. I know, amazon does the same and greets me in German and youtube checks I am German and blocks different vids and music for me than for you.

    But the difference is that a database give information about me to others, whom I do not know …. and having something like a hud in SL that connects to that database and tells others: “New ava arriving, Danziel Lane is from Germany and never used Emerald” is something described as “Disclosure” in the TOS of Linden Labs.

    Maybe – though I told here – I don’t want people to detect me RL home by using that database, maybe I don’t want everyone to know that I am from Germany. But with their database I cannot keep them from telling it to people THEY select.

    And more: I know, amazon and youtube do that too, but if they misuse my data, I can ask a lawyer to take care of it.
    Different with this “company”. All I know is the post office box they obviously live in.

    If someone acts as a business, but hides real addresses, I do not really trust those “businessmen”. And I wonder, why the Labs trust them.
29. 

    At0m0 Beerbaum
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    @ neo citizen. yet I never was involved in these activities.

    It’s the fact that things were kosher, and then out of the blue, unprovoked, we get nuked. Turns out some people in WU were questioning the emerald devs, which pissed them off, and resulted in several emerald members coming to our sims, and crashing them for several days until the day LL nuked our sims. Funny enough none of the emerald people doing this got banned, and one or two managed to get around estate bans, magically.

    Classic case of guilt by association. It’s all fine when it happens to people you don’t like because you lumped them together just like the people taking action, but fuck, I bet you’d be shitting bricks if one of your JLU buddies did something bad that got everyone banned. Wouldn’t be fair, would it, kalel?
30. 

    MOAR
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    epic drama.

    anyone of the WU bashers here can explain to me why WU would want to hand out screenshots with tizzers ip addresses? you’re getting trolled, faggots!

    10/10
31. 

    Neo Citizen
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    WU doesn’t need any bashing. They’re doing a pretty good job of bashing themselves. Witness their bizarre gyrations as they try to justify hacking, content theft, piracy, fraud, and god knows what else?

    The important thing is that they’re just GONE, and they’re not coming back, and for the most part, people in SL don’t have to deal with them anymore.
32. 

    Just Sayin,,,
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    prolly time to rename this site: the WoodburyVilleHerlad.
    its getting old folks,,,
33. 

    Lum Lumley
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    Um, the GeoIP library is used by a great many companies to get information on ISPs that users log in from based on IP addresses. It’s certainly not some Emerald-developed conspiracy.

    http://www.maxmind.com/app/ip-locate

    There’s a free version available – from the PHP snippet posted it looks like they’re using the commercial version.
34. 

    Gaara Sandalwood
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    Soooo…….Kalel’s essentially doing what WU did to the JLU when the JLU were in the drama spotlight and dismissing it as minor bs that doesn’t affect them? My gods, can it get any more hypocritical?

    “Witness their bizarre gyrations as they try to justify hacking, content theft, piracy, fraud, and god knows what else?”

    I mean, this is pretty much the basis of what was being said towards the JLU(granted, we can remove the fraud to my knowledge, and almost definitely hacking)and they just shrugged it off as false claims 99.999999% of the time, and unimportant bs that doesn’t show them in a bad light the other 0.000001% of the time. Then come back and slap the same and more into the general face of WU.

    Hacking- It’s not even confirmed that WU did any major hacking. I’ve heard rumors that Hazim’s the one who did and he himself said so(although from the context, in a joking and sarcastic manner).

    Content Theft- WU had a shite ton of builders in the group, why would they steal content?

    Fraud- WU is a real life university. Regardless of the occasional events taking place on their own sims, they had a right to the educational discount.

    Piracy- I have no problem with this, but you’ll have to elaborate further as to what type of content you are referring to being pirated for me to form a final opinion.

    Oh, and welcome back btw. Missed ya. Love.
35. 

    Neo Citizen
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    I really find you guys funny, I really do. As though anybody who’s against the WU has got to be Kalel. You guys really must be butthurt, you see Kalel under every rock. Honestly.
36. 

    Neo Citizen
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    Look, all everybody sees is a failed griefer group, all complaining about the fact that you’ve all been banned.

    Frankly, Kalel hasn’t been relevant to very much of what’s going on for a very very long time now, anybody can see that. Using him as a scapegoat for your problems won’t get your accounts back. It’s pathetic, really.
37. 

    Neo Citizen
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    Nah I just associate him with Neo Citizen often. Then again, you can pretty much choose any name here(this particular NC post being Gaara, btw). Regardless, it does seem you’ve barely skimmed my counter-argument and/or only chose to retaliate to me calling you “Kalel”. You’ve yet, thus far, to refute against my claims that WU wasn’t full of thieves and hackers, and the like. That makes the point of arguing in the first place rather null and boring….

    As for me being butthurt, I usually never am, honestly. Granted, annoyed, but never incredibly furious at these events. But it’s not like I can stop you, Kalel, or anyone who desires such from the constant self-assurance that a great victory has been had, or, in your case, that WU is the bane of all of SL(lolz), or anything they want to believe, really. meh
38. 

    Cartman
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    So it really is just WU bawwing for being banned, then?

    Thought so.
39. 

    Gaara Sandalwood
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    As for using him as a scapegoat, considering kalel himself often times used the NC name here, people tend to associate him with that name. Associating someone with a name that anyone can use(believe me, I’ve seen my fair share of places like this, even forum-based places like this, that allowed the use of any name and the constant confusion associated with people choosing to use the same name)and using someone as a scapegoat are entirely different things.
40. 

    Gaara Sandalwood
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    I just associate him with Neo Citizen often. Regardless, it does seem you’ve barely skimmed my counter-argument and/or only chose to retaliate to me calling you “Kalel”. You’ve yet, thus far, to refute against my claims that WU wasn’t full of thieves and hackers, and the like. That makes the point of arguing in the first place rather null and boring….

    As for me being butthurt, I usually never am, honestly. Granted, annoyed, but never incredibly furious at these events. But it’s not like I can stop you, Kalel, or anyone who desires such from the constant self-assurance that a great victory has been had, or, in your case, that WU is the bane of all of SL(lolz), or anything they want to believe, really. meh
41. 

    Gaara Sandalwood
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    Final Note: Disregard every bit of attempted reasoning on our part as bawwwing. That’ll definitely show how right you are in this pissing contest. :3
42. 

    Darkfoxx
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    Well Gaara, that *is* of course the 4chan/WU way.

    personally I dont give a flying fuck as wether or not WU really was the group of baddies that they supposedly are. It doesnt matter who did what or didnt do shit.

    What amuses me is the sheer irony of the whole dramafest surrounding WU dissapearence.

    For years people in groups like WU and elsewhere have been getting many ‘lulz’ from people ‘bawwwwwing’ about their e-peen and their e-lawn.

    Now the tables are turned.

    And THAT, is epic lulz.
43. 

    Gaara Sandalwood
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    Don’t remind me, I was on 4chan for a couple hours yesterday(it’s so degraded now…..).
44. 

    Cartman
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    4chan hasn’t changed in years, where the fuck have you been?
45. 

    Cartman
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    OMG, Kalol is everywhere we turn, OMG! Next you’ll be saying Intblubber is Kalel.
46. 

    Baaa Goat
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    @Danziel Lane

    “If I tell that here, it’s my free will to tell you. Nevertheless it’s private data that the ava of Danziel is manipulated from Berlin.”

    But geoip is obtained from where the IP address was registered. For example, AOL IP addresses are registered in the USA, geoip databases, when using an AOL IP address from the AOL provider in a country like the UK, will even say it’s an US IP address.

    Your claim that this is an accurate measure is wrong. Also, If you don’t like that information being broadcast about yourself, why are you broadcasting it? Why don’t you buy a “ip anonymizer” service? If you were really serious about this issue, you would have done something about it, instead of logging on the Internet and broadcast that IP address.

    “But the difference is that a database give information about me to others, whom I do not know”

    You don’t know who the people are at amazon either.

    “And more: I know, amazon and youtube do that too, but if they misuse my data, I can ask a lawyer to take care of it.”

    OH NO, THEY HAVE THE GEOIP LOCATION OF WHERE MY ISP REGISTERED THE IP ADDRESS, THIS IS TOTALLY MISS-USE!

    “If someone acts as a business, but hides real addresses, I do not really trust those “businessmen”.”

    Then why are you visiting their locations broadcasting your IP address?

    I don’t understand your comments at all, they don’t make any logical sense.
47. 

    The Avatar Formally Known As . . .
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    But geoip is obtained from where the IP address was registered. For example, AOL IP addresses are registered in the USA, geoip databases, when using an AOL IP address from the AOL provider in a country like the UK, will even say it’s an US IP address.

    @Baaa

    Are you being deliberately ignorant or is the wool firmly over you eyes?

    “Your claim that this is an accurate measure is wrong. Also, If you don’t like that information being broadcast about yourself, why are you broadcasting it? Why don’t you buy a “ip anonymizer” service? If you were really serious about this issue, you would have done something about it, instead of logging on the Internet and broadcast that IP address.”
    The issue is not the ip address itself, it is the fact it is grabbed during account sign up, cross referenced for alt detection and used in world to potentially track AV movements.

    “You don’t know who the people are at amazon either.”
    No, but amazon is a RL company with a privacy policy to which they adhere.

    “OH NO, THEY HAVE THE GEOIP LOCATION OF WHERE MY ISP REGISTERED THE IP ADDRESS, THIS IS TOTALLY MISS-USE!”
    Again you direct the attention from the real use of this being stored.

    “Then why are you visiting their locations broadcasting your IP address?”
    Sigh

    “I don’t understand your comments at all, they don’t make any logical sense.”
    Because you are looking through your woolly glasses. They make perfect sense to normal people.

    @Neo
    I bet you still wear your lycra leggings and panties under your Alts clothing. Remember this, Kalel has been outed, many more will follow! Douchebag!
48. 

    GEORGE ZIMMER, FOUNDER AND CEO OF MEN'S WAREHOUSE
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

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49. 

    Baaa Goat
    

    May 12th, 2010
    

    @ The Avatar Formally Known As . . .

    > The issue is not the ip address itself, it is the fact it is grabbed during account sign up, cross referenced for alt detection and used in world to potentially track AV movements.

    Oh no, it’s “tracking movement” on ELEVEN SIMS by the sim owners. Although I don’t really get your point – Are you saying sim owners aren’t allowed to track visitors?

    Again, if you don’t trust those locations, don’t visit them. If you don’t want people to get your IP address, pay for an anonymizer service. I don’t see the “issue” that is apparently so clear to you.

    > No, but amazon is a RL company with a privacy policy to which they adhere.

    On the first page of google for “modular systems privacy policy”:

    http://modularsystems.sl/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=39

    I don’t think you even looked. There, modular systems has a “privacy policy”, that meets all your requirements. Happy days!

    > They make perfect sense to normal people.

    Ooh character assassination!
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    hmm, i cant see, any WU members, (or should i say ex members?) complain about the bann.
    The griefers dont care, and where back in SL after five minutes. And the creative people left or at least arent producing nice content anymore.
    The only thing that i see are grifer victims and wannabe trolls, that try to switch the topic again.

    Ok, so to those “EVERY WEBSITE LOGS YOUR IP” comments i just wanted to say, that my last webserver didnt put the IPs in a database, it puted them in huge logfiles that noone ever looked at.

    so its a pretty big difference between the searchable emerald database that stores IPs from multiple sources and connects it to SL accounts. and a simple logfile.
    I dont really care about the GEO location thing, jcool probably added it to scare people by telling them where they are from. And that he gonna break in their houses or something.

    well, thats the second case of datamining, that comes from a group that wants us to belive that they do something good for the community.
    Thats even worse in my eyes then when such things would come from “the known bad people”
    Also its the second time that LindenLab was informed, and didnt act.

    That tells me two things, you cant trust emerald and the TOS is just something that LL will enforce when they are in the mood for it.

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