JLU Shamed – Green Lantern Excelsior Turns His Back on SLUniverse
by Pixeleen Mistral on 26/08/11 at 3:46 am
Superheros “standing in front of a monkey cage and being pelted with waste products”
For almost a week, a particularly ugly chapter in Second Life’s social history has been playing out on both theListSL.blogspot.com and the SLUniverse.com forums. While it is impossible to know if all the claims being made are true, the sheer body of evidence suggests that the Justice League Unlimited's secret wiki's security has been compromised again. Apparently the security-challenged JLU didn't learn anything after their last embarrassment and have continued to compile dossiers on Second Life players without their knowledge or consent.
JLU advises members to keep quiet about wiki leaks
What seems to be a never-ending series of extremely embarrassing disclosures from the notoriously leaky JLU Brainiac wiki paints a disturbing picture of Kalel Venkman’s band of virtual vigilantes fighting tooth and nail for what they believe is law and order in an online cartoon world - never mind the fact that the other players didn't sign up for a surveillance society game.
What sort of revelations have the rank and file players up in arms?
Facebook stalking the family of an AIDS patient to verify he is on his deathbed - then speculating that his demise might result in less game world griefing. Tracking real life identities of various Second Life players - sometimes in very great detail. Collecting medical information on those the JLU believes are enemies. Attempting to frame other plays with "black ops". Fabricating chatlogs to file abuse reports hoping to ban other players - it just goes on and on.
On the other side of the fence, in what has grown to be a 188+ page forum thread with over 4600 replies and 103,000 views, mainstream Second Life fight a war of words with a succession of JLU spokesmen. Strangely, JLU leader Kalel Venkman has yet to step up in public to answer his critics, and those JLU members who have spoken up seem unable to do much more than inflame the situation further. Who are the real griefers are in this situation?
I was hoping against hope that one of the more inflamatory comments was a troll - and asked Green Lantern Excelsior in-world if he was really behind the SLUniverse comments. He said he was, and shared his opinion of the SLUniverse readers.
Pixeleen Mistral: did you really post this:
http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/general-sl-discussion/63339-jlu-harvesting-ip-addresses-125.html#post1357637
Pixeleen Mistral: seriously GLE - did you really post that?
GreenLantern Excelsior: (Saved Wed Aug 24 02:38:21 2011) Yes, I posted that. I posted on many of the pages in that discussion thread.
GreenLantern Excelsior: (Saved Wed Aug 24 02:38:41 2011) I was banned from SL Universe tonight, for posting "links to RL information," i.e., a link to Deadly Codec's obituary. The ban will be lifted on September 6, but I won't return. There are very few members on that board who will engage in serious and respectful discussion. Mostly it is like standing in front of a monkey cage and being pelted with waste products.
The more optimistic members of the anti-JLU faction cling to hope that the Linden game gods will take a stand, hoping against hope that Linden Lab is not in such dire straights that Second Life has been forced to depend on corrupt volunteer vigilantes to help maintain order on the grid.
Second Life Premium gives you more privacy ad next to players begging Rodvik for help
And so heartfelt pleas are posted to Rodvik Linden’s Second Life profile, but as of this writing remain unanswered. I hope Rodvik hasn’t been playing Farmville in Facebook and neglecting his SL profile page - but Rodvik did mention at the SLCC that social media is taking people’s time away from immersive games. Unfortunately, some of those still deeply engaged in Second Life are taking the game far outside of the virtual realm in ways that seem likely to harm the ailing Second Life brand.
Meanwhile it seems likely that anti-JLU sentiment will continue to rise unless the JLU can somehow cover up the evidence. Will Kalel resort to firing scattershot DMCA takedown notices again? Perhaps not - since this would be a tacit admission that the leaked material is legitimate - and could lead to some unfortunate legal action for the would-be super hero if a pattern of filing frivolous DMCA complaints was demonstrated.
Tux
Aug 26th, 2011
Great job Pix!
Ryokashi
Aug 26th, 2011
It’s nice seeing my name up on top after being the target of an AR party for opposing this shit.
Ryokashi
Aug 26th, 2011
Also it is incredibly disturbing seeing Kalel claim that the authorities told him to obtain this information. Not only it is it a blatant lie, it is an insult to our legal system to even consider it.
Ryokashi
Aug 26th, 2011
Thank you GreenLantern Excelsior for bragging to your group about sending in an AR party on me. Truly wonderful to see what a two-faced fuck you are.
It is disgraceful what he did with Deadly Codec. He complains expecting people to be respectful of him after he admitted to stalking the family of a dying man to confirm his medical condition, whilst his whole group was scouring Facebook for pictures of him on his deathbed and proof of his condition.
You are monsters.
Robble Rubble
Aug 26th, 2011
Thank you so much Pix, I’m sorry you had to bother talking to that asshole.
Potosi Abonwood
Aug 26th, 2011
Another thing that has been going on that’s not getting a lot of mention. Any thread talking about this that gets started on the official Linden Labs Second Life forums gets quickly pulled down and deleted.
Makes you wonder if the JLU have one of the moderators on the forums there in their pocket.
Epacsten
Aug 26th, 2011
It’s nice to see, GLE, that you think some of the oldest, most upstanding citizens of SL are like monkeys, and their words are poo.
People who had no preconceived notions of the JLU. People who had never heard of you. People who DIDN’T CARE about the group war between you and Woodbury.
The very same people you claim to be protecting from griefers.
You came to THEIR board. You insulted their intelligence, and when they refused to take you at your word, YOU dare to insult THEM?
You make me SICK.
Rotten_Core
Aug 26th, 2011
This article made me hard.
lol
Aug 26th, 2011
Pix, FTW!
Economic Engineer
Aug 26th, 2011
Kalel Venkman is too much of a coward to actually talk to anyone of SLU directly, but one of the SLU members was able to talk to him in a group chat about it.
[17:57] Cathiee McMillan: Perhapse you can come and discuss your Wiki and the PZ device on the SLU forums?
[17:57] Kalel Venkman: That armpit? Our people have tried to speak there, and every point necessary has been covered, proven or disproven as needed.
[17:58] Kalel Venkman: And yet still they rage. Logic and evidence don’t apply there.
[17:58] Kalel Venkman: Why bother with them? Most of the people doing the yelling are the people who’ve already been banned from SL and don’t actually have a voice in metaverse affairs..
Glenn Beck
Aug 26th, 2011
I don’t think even Hitler would of sunk this low. :/
GreenLantern Excelsior
Aug 26th, 2011
As I posted elsewhere:
I’ve been threatened by experts. I don’t rate them very highly at all. It is pretty much a rollicking roller coaster of hilarity over there, with people falling all over each other to outdo the next guy in stating how much they hate JLU. The stories keep changing and building until JLU is accused of the most outlandish actions. The members start fighting among themselves when there’s no JLU common enemy for them to oppose. It’s a three ring circus with round the clock showings, and all for free! Bring some popcorn and enjoy the show.
Anise
Aug 26th, 2011
I would love to see Kalel come out and personally attempt to disprove the “rumors” about the joke that is his group, but he won’t because he’ll be proven wrong and he knows it.
It’s so much easier to be aloof and stay in your own fantasy world, isn’t it?
Imnotgoing Sideways
Aug 26th, 2011
You know that scene which airs in every consumer advocate news program… That one where the fraud/thief/whatever is running from the camera, pushing people away, and locking doors? (^_^)
Yeah… That… (=_=)
Ryokashi
Aug 26th, 2011
These outlandish actions have been proven you creepy fuck. We have proof that you’ve used real life information to track people down and stalk people.
LETSHAVEATALKGIRLTOGIRL
Aug 26th, 2011
shut up GLE
Tux
Aug 26th, 2011
@GLE
Didn’t Kalel explicitly tell his minions not to comment? That way his bullshit cannot be exposed.
Hey btw there is a memorial page on facebook for my father in law, why don’t you IM the people posting on there asking if he is really dead too?
You do not realise the fucking disgust you have directed at you right now!
Axel Oakleaf
Aug 26th, 2011
@ Ryokashi:
I sure hope if they get into trouble for this,they get put into a jail that has “Bubba” in it.
Wizard Gynoid
Aug 26th, 2011
@zip.paz there aren’t six million SL residents. hehe in your dreams. hardcore active users are about 133,000 at most.
The Oncoming Storm
Aug 26th, 2011
Wow, you act like this actually matters or something
GreenLantern Excelsior
Aug 26th, 2011
From the thread that spawned this thread, I wrote this:
Deadly Codec made no secret of who he was or where he lived in RL. He wrote articles for a small local newspaper and posted in the Alphaville Herald and elsewhere about his terminal illness. He IMed me once at a GTeam office hours meeting under an alt named Adromor Weirwright. He friended me and invited me to protest with him at the headquarters of XStreetSL. He was angry at their discussion board policy. A few days later, he was unable to resist the urge to grief the place, so Adromor was permabanned.
I had been watching that Facebook page too. I took the opportunity to contact one of his sisters on her Facebook page. I told her that I was a friend of Deadly’s from Second Life, and asked if she would mention my name and tell him I was thinking about him. She responded that he was unconscious, hadn’t eaten in three days, and the doctors said he didn’t have much time left. Two days later, she notified me that he had died.
I did this not to brag about confirming someone’s death by trolling their family, but to show that no one in JLU took pleasure in this man’s death. I posted it to demonstrate how I had contacted his sister to offer my condolences and show them that there were people out there who still cared about Deadly. His sister said she was grateful for the sentiment, and I always thought that I brought a little ray of sunshine into her life at a very dark moment.
If some of you are calling this “creepy stalker action” then you have missed the whole point…on purpose.
Jim Jesus (a.k.a. machwon)
Aug 26th, 2011
@GLE
You didn’t post that as an example of you consoling, you did that for confirming his death. Stop fooling yourself.
Ryokashi
Aug 26th, 2011
Why are you ignoring the logs of your members tracking down his family, digging up pictures of him on his death bed, and discussing the bonuses of his death?
The only reason she was grateful was because you lied about being his friend. Somehow I think finding out that you are from a group of internet superheroes who were stalking her brother to confirm his death would have changed that.
By contact his sister you overstepped your bounds, you had no right. The fact that you lied to pretend to be his friend showed this. You are a two-faced monster and no matter how you try to justify it, the chat logs of your meeting show that you were trying to confirm his death to see what the blow on the griefer community would be. You sick fuck.
Ryokashi
Aug 26th, 2011
Some especially damning pieces
[08:38 AM] Maverick Grunfeld: Several of Deadly’s family members have Facebook wall posts of going to the hospital and holding hands with Deadly.
[08:39 AM] Kalel Venkman: I think photos of people with Deadly on his death bed are probably good enough corroboration.
[08:40 AM] Jeffrey Essex: well can send prays sympthy and all that but should we exuse the eactions?
[08:41 AM] BilliAnn Bravin: Still, we really need some independent confirmation to verify it. It could very well be true but then again, still possible it might not be without independent verification.
[08:42 AM] Kara Timtam: So… what other alts have gone silent since Deadly’s departure from SL?
[08:43 AM] Maverick Grunfeld: fact checking is done. [--- RL NAME REMOVED ---], a sister of Deadly posts on Oct 11th:
[--- RL NAME REMOVED ---] Ugh…. Doc visits always take too long. Been here an hour and still no doc…..
[--- RL NAME REMOVED ---] Don’t know yet…. still haven’t seen the doc. He had to run to the hospital for an emergency
[08:43 AM] Maverick Grunfeld: On the 15th:
[--- RL NAME REMOVED ---] Please pray for my grandfather and my brother [--- RL NAME REMOVED ---]……
[08:44 AM] Kalel Venkman: So as of that post, [--- RL NAME REMOVED ---] is quite possibly still alive.
You are terrible people.
Innula Zenovka
Aug 26th, 2011
@GLE: I’m sorry, but I’m sure you can see why people who’d just read stuff like
[09:00 AM] Samantha Lowell: Okay, so what do we know? He’s either dead or in extremis.
[09:01 AM] Kalel Venkman: Considering the last post, he’s probably dead.
[09:01 AM] GreenLantern Excelsior: Here’s a place to check, maybe: [--- LINK REMOVED ---]
[09:01 AM] Samantha Lowell: Implications of this, inworld, are unknown but I think Jeff is correct: This could trigger a spike of activity.
[09:01 AM] GreenLantern Excelsior: I don’t see any from Augusta in there though
[09:03 AM] Maverick Grunfeld: Wouldn’t be. He only went into the hospital in October
[09:03 AM] Maverick Grunfeld: *october
[09:03 AM] BilliAnn Bravin: Hmmm, well if it just happened, it might be a few days anyway.
http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/general-sl-discussion/63339-jlu-harvesting-ip-addresses-133.html#post1357964
didn’t fully appreciate your good intentions in contacting his sister and were less than charitable in their interpretation of your actions.
Senban Babii
Aug 26th, 2011
@JLU
You’re all lower than snake piss.
Gundel Gaukelei
Aug 26th, 2011
The problem isn’t the JLU. The JLU is just the symptom. The problem is LLs constant lack of meeting even their least obligations as a service provider. Thats how the supposed to be next gen platform managed to aquire its top rank amongst the internets most disgusting shitholes ever.
Senban Babii
Aug 26th, 2011
Here’s a thought. One of the JLU’s arguments has always been that the information they gather is in the public domain and available to all. Well okay, to some degree that’s true.
But let’s create an analogy.
Imagine someone dressed as a superhero standing in the street outside your house. They’re in a public area and can do what they like within reason. And what they’re doing is using a telephoto lens to take photos of you and your children through the windows of your house. And then they get together with friends to collate those photographs and fantasise that they’re doing all this to protect us all from some imaginary enemy. And every now and then they create a fake event to create public justification to continue these activities for our own comfort and convenience.
Wouldn’t any reasonable person find this creepy, morally objectionable and an invasion of privacy?
Yet this is exactly what the JLU do regularly. When reasonable people find it creepy, morally objectionable and an invasion of privacy, they declare those people terrorists griefers and use that as grounds to continue their activities. And let’s not forget that the JLU have already been exposed for creating fake “raids” (http://alphavilleherald.com/2010/03/second-life-faction-wars-woodbury-raid-or-jlu-dramafest.html)
The JLU as an organisation and its individual members can say “we’re not doing anything illegal” until they’re blue in the face. But that doesn’t prevent the rest of the SL population from finding them creepy, morally objectionable and considering their actions an invasion of privacy.
Cathiee McMillan
Aug 26th, 2011
@GLE,
Ok I have a Question for you “If Deadly Codec made no secret of who he was or where he lived in RL”
If i do a Google search on some of your members I can easily find out where they live.
Yet you all went off the wall about this all being posted on another Blog.
SO you can’t have it both ways, you can’t scream about your IDS and RL being posted someplace and DO it yourselves.
So please explain this to me, why you feel you have been wronged when that stuff was posted but it was easily discovered as you say and made not secret?
Dontspill McGinnis
Aug 26th, 2011
Hey GLE,
Do you remember that conversation we had a few months back?
I’m sure you do. If not, there is probably a copy of it in your Bwiki.
I remember telling you that people didn’t want the JLU.
You disagreed.
As usual, you knew better, or rather you thought you did, because what you do is for the good of “Ordinary residents”. They are too stupid to know how to file abuse reports themselves, so they like you to do it for them is what you inferred. You said that the forums were full of people complaining about griefers and the lack of response from LL.
But Guess what? 2006 was five years ago.
Do you still think the the SL population at large want you lot patrolling the grid on their behalf?
Would you care to revisit that point in open debate?
Nidol
Aug 26th, 2011
Good article Pix. This needs as much exposure as it can get, because it’s downright evil.
GG3
Aug 26th, 2011
I wonder how much monetary value the JLU made off with, with all their biggotry combined?
@Ryo
Good, it’s about time people stop being scared of groups like the JLU
GG3
Aug 26th, 2011
If anyone wants a protest sign, I have one.
Just drop an IM
Kalel is as guilty as his group, those who resided and sided with this mess are just as guilty as he is
Marie Reynaud
Aug 26th, 2011
Thanks for an excellent article Pixeleen.
What the JLU has done, and is STILL doing, is really rather sick. It makes me very sad that this sort of behavior is occurring in SL.
GreenLantern Excelsior
Aug 26th, 2011
Ryokashi, I had Adromor Weirwright on my friends list (and still do), so when I said I was Deadly’s friend, that was the truth. I could have said many things about him, but I sent his sister a message of caring and sympathy. If you think I had no right to act with kindness, then that’s your opinion and you’re welcome to it.
Senban, a better analogy would be if I have a table in front of my house with all kinds of personal information and pictures on it, and a sign that says “Take whatever you like.” You grab a newspaper clipping about me and tack it to the bulletin board in your house. I come and kick in your door, point at the newspaper clipping, and call you a stalker. It is in no way an invasion of privacy if I give you the information in the first place.
Cathiee, I find it creepy and morally objectionable for people to break into a private home, steal personal information that is not theirs, and post it on a public bulletin board for everyone to see. It’s the reverse of the previous paragraph. If I had wanted everyone to have my private information, I would have put it on a table in front of my house with a sign that said “Take whatever you like.”
Dontspill, are you saying that Second Life residents should be able to vote on which groups are allowed to enter Linden land? Do you really believe that some people should be prohibited from writing Abuse Reports? Should the sandboxes and vehicle sims be perpetually filled with pictures of Goatse man, full frontal male nudity, and corpses? I believe the answers to those questions are all “NO!” which means that the election has been cancelled.
Tux
Aug 26th, 2011
@GLE
Deadly spoke to you, as a VR character. Or more specifically a Virtual Enemy. Despite your claims, you was merely fishing for information. I seriously doubt he introduced himself personally over a coffee, and said ‘Oh btw, when I’m gone feel free to contact my sister over facebook. You do have her account, right?’
You crossed the line. By all means have your pretend enemies. But contacting his sister, you said:
‘I told her that I was a friend of Deadly’s from Second Life, and asked if she would mention my name and tell him I was thinking about him.’
You was not his friend. GLE you was talking to him to get more and more information for your wiki. The proof is in the leaked wiki, you was even posting links to find out ofr sure. I am glad he didn’t have to hear your message. Can you fucking imagine what would have gone through his mind?
WHY THE FUCK IS THE JLU CONTACTING MY REAL LIFE FAMILY!
Would you think that would have helped him in any way?
When you posted on SLU I thought you had the idea when you said:
‘Crossing the line from SL to RL is not a good thing in my opinion’
Clearly not. Because you then said:
‘It would have been totally unacceptable for me to mention where I knew him from and how we had met, so I just said he was a friend.’
Yet above you had already told her. You should not have even spoke with her. I only hope this doesn’t get back to her. Really, imagine how she will feel then? My guess is she will feel stalked.
You know how I know you didn’t see him as a friend? Because you never said a word when Kalel said this:
[09:06 AM] Kalel Venkman: Deadly was a lost soul from the beginning.
[09:07 AM] Kalel Venkman: I’m very sad that he has come to this end without a chance to make things right.
[09:10 AM] Kalel Venkman: That will serve to splinter them even more, making them easier to manage.
I am appalled at every member of the JLU for this. More so than any of the other information that has been leaked.
Well congratulations JLU, children searching for superheroes in google will now find your disgusting actions and sully their own hero’s image. Do you see what you have done? You have marred an inspiring image by being far worse than that you claim is evil.
GOOGLE IS NOW YOUR ENEMY!
LOL
Aug 26th, 2011
@Green dude
Just wonderingof you got permission from DC Comics to use that image as your avatar?
Nelson Jenkins
Aug 26th, 2011
I give so little of a shit about JLU anymore, I’m taking one right now.
Cathiee McMillan
Aug 26th, 2011
@GLE
So then you don’t like what the JLU is doing by posting this information on your WIKI.
you are doing the same exact thing as the others did.
your WIKI is obviously not secure nor do you have anyones permission to Post Info in that location and keep it.
You can say DO AS WE SAY not as WE DO.
thats where your moral issues are messed up.
You MUST break the chain which is the WIKI break that stop the JLU from collecting and storing this data.
YOU can be a hero and put an end to it.
Prove us all wrong that you are a good man and really believe it is wrong.
Innula Zenovka
Aug 26th, 2011
@GLE — No one would dispute, I am sure, that you had every right to act with kindness.
The question is, rather, whether that’s what were doing or whether you were trying to resolve your real friends’ doubts about whether the poor chap was alive or dead and thought that a cynical pretence of concern was the best way achieve your ends.
Certainly you say you were motivated by compassion, and possibly you now sincerely believe you were. But I’m afraid that you’ve very recently demonstrated that your memories of that whole episode are, for whatever reason, rather unreliable — you were convinced, after all, you hadn’t attended that particular meeting of the JLU, until it was pointed out to you that the records showed you were there, suggesting ways to confirm the rumours of the man’s death.
Since your memory has let you down about something simple like whether you attended a meeting where the chap’s death was discussed, I’m not sure your recollections of what your motivations in contacting his sister can be considered particularly reliable.
Yep
Aug 26th, 2011
Eww! Go getem Tiger
Reader
Aug 26th, 2011
Maybe someone or a group of someones should contact the dearly departed’s family and get them up to speed on this. Isn’t now the time?
Emperor Norton hears a who?
Aug 26th, 2011
I am have a problem figuring out who is weirder and more obsessed – the JLU or the Wrong Hands.
JLU- this is all public information so we have the rights to play Net Nazi and collect it… plus add in shit we made up and once we touched it, it’s SEKRET!!! THIS IS JUST LIKE THE JUSTICE LEAGUE DOES IN THE COMICS, EXCEPT I WON’ T GET PUNCHED IN THE FACE RAAAAARRRR!!!
Wrong Hands – the JLU has their list of fantasies about people they obsesses over and someone can steal it. We’ll steal that bullshit list and spread it all over the intertubes like it was FACT(tm) to stop the JLU from doing it! THIS IS JUST LIKE WHAT WIKILEAKS DID TO THE US STATE DEPARTMENT, EXCEPT NO FEDERAL PRISON TIME FOR ME RAAAAAARRRR!!!
They do enable each others Walter Mitty fantasies, don’t they?
Dontspill McGinnis
Aug 26th, 2011
@ GLE,
“Dontspill, are you saying that Second Life residents should be able to vote on which groups are allowed to enter Linden land? Do you really believe that some people should be prohibited from writing Abuse Reports? Should the sandboxes and vehicle sims be perpetually filled with pictures of Goatse man, full frontal male nudity, and corpses? I believe the answers to those questions are all “NO!” which means that the election has been cancelled.”
What is all that bullshit? I never said any of that. Why must you always avoid my questions and try to put words in my mouth?
Ah… Superhero arrogance.
Again, as I said before, changing the subject is a poor debating technique.
So I’ll ask again. Do you still think the the SL population at large want you lot patrolling the grid on their behalf?
Doctor Yootz
Aug 26th, 2011
@GLE
After your posts on SLU i just thought you were acting like a little child caught doing something bad. You tried to deny and sneak arround the truth by giving only half answers untill you where proven wrong. …Instead of just standing for what you and your pals did, like a grown adult.
I dont have to mention that this didnt look very heroic.
But now ive seen you giving the same ridiculous answer about Deadly’s sister three times. After the first time, you must have known what reactions that would cause. But that didnt stop you from posting that creepy shit at least two more times.
After thinking about it i come to only one conclusion:
You really believe what you say.
You really believe having someone in your friendslist in a videogame for four days makes him a friend, and you really think it gives you the right to stalk and contact his family. What other reason would you have to tell the dozens of people that called you a creeper that they are all wrong?
If my conclusion is right, you have some serious mental problems, and you should get professional help as soon as possible.
If I am wrong, you are just a self important coward and a liar.
Ps: At least you had the decency to not scare the shit out his sister by telling her who you really are.
Pps: I still appreciate that you came forward and at least tried to justify the doings of your group, while kalel is hiding under the bed blowing his power ring.
Senban Babii
Aug 26th, 2011
@GLE
“Ryokashi, I had Adromor Weirwright on my friends list (and still do), so when I said I was Deadly’s friend, that was the truth.”
I know this was directed at Ryokashi but I’m going to answer anyway.
If you go by the wording, you are correct, you were “friends” with Deadly Codec. But in reality you chose to interpret “friend” as the common usage of the term “friend” instead of the SL usage which means little more than “contact”. But of course Deadly Codec’s sister wouldn’t know that when you contacted her and told her you were his “friend”. You’re playing with words to justify the unjustifiable.
Now, to the point you directed at me.
“Senban, a better analogy would be if I have a table in front of my house with all kinds of personal information and pictures on it, and a sign that says “Take whatever you like.” You grab a newspaper clipping about me and tack it to the bulletin board in your house. I come and kick in your door, point at the newspaper clipping, and call you a stalker. It is in no way an invasion of privacy if I give you the information in the first place.”
Nope, this analogy doesn’t work. I can see what you’re trying to get at but again it’s just twisting words to justify the unjustifiable. Look at it this way. Vast numbers of people are disagreeing with you and find the JLU morally repugnant and unwanted. Is there not a single one of you who is reflecting on whether you’ve misjudged your methodology and raison d’etre? Or do you believe that you have moral authority for your actions that overrides the will, rights and expectations of the masses?
I described you earlier today on SLU as the apologist for the JLU but I really don’t think that’s true anymore. You’re no longer the apologist trying to make a bad situation better. You’re a spin doctor in the very worst traditions of that trade and in that sense you’re worse than the rest of them put together.
Reader
Aug 26th, 2011
Sen, for someone who repeatedly states that they ditched the sl bs long ago and don’t log anymore except to take a look at occasional offline IMs, you sure do dedicate more than a normal amount of time to adding to the bitch session. no?
Dontspill McGinnis
Aug 26th, 2011
@ Reader
Outrage is not limited to active SL players,
The things the JLU have been doing would sicken any non players as well as ones in a hiatus.
Who gave you the right to decide who could pass comment?
Reader
Aug 26th, 2011
@spill
Free speech
Potosi Abonwood
Aug 26th, 2011
GLE said ” with people falling all over each other to outdo the next guy in stating how much they hate JLU.”
No it’s that every time we turn around we discover even more vile information about the JLU and what they do.
I’m also liking how suddenly you have decided to add (or should I say most likely make up) information to go along with your stalking to the grave story to where you called the persons sister and lied to her that you were his friend. Guess you all had a meeting and tried to figure out a way to sugar coat thing.
Your stories aren’t consistent that is why things keep changing. You are the ones who keep moving around like you have something to hide or to twitch around something that was uncovered. Not us.