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306 Responses to “JLU Shamed – Green Lantern Excelsior Turns His Back on SLUniverse”

1. 

   Paul
   

   Aug 26th, 2011
   

   @ Reader “free speech”… I spit my coffee out when I read that one!
2. 

   Reader
   

   Aug 26th, 2011
   

   Free speech and where in there did you see any “decide” anything in what I said? Cogitate much? Go back and re-read spill. It ended with a question mark. Recognize that fact before opening your mouth next time.

   Also, considering the thousand upon thousand of actual SL players that quite frankly don’t a hoot about this melodrama, what makes YOU so certain it is even registers as anything important? Linden Lab hasn’t even done anything. Doesn’t that compute yet? Until it shows up on ‘The Ed Show’ or ‘HLN’, most people don’t give a damn. Go back to the SL Universe, Prok needs you to kick around over there. You know you want to be her chew toy spill.
3. 

   Reader
   

   Aug 26th, 2011
   

   Oh hell, just saw this on the SL Universe

   “Reading Prokofy’s babbling here is like listening to a bunch of pre-schoolers argue … amusing at times but mostly just nonsense and way to noisy.”

   from someone named Marita. You don’t have to like Prok to say, “WDF?”. After nearly 5000 postings on that thread, from all corners of the day care spectrum, someone actually has the nerve to call Prok out on grounds of sounding like a “pre-schooler”?

   Someone please run some stats (histogram) on that SL Universe thread so we can see how it all falls into place with respect to common childish idioms, words & phrases.
4. 

   Senban Babii
   

   Aug 26th, 2011
   

   @Reader
   “Sen, for someone who repeatedly states that they ditched the sl bs long ago and don’t log anymore except to take a look at occasional offline IMs, you sure do dedicate more than a normal amount of time to adding to the bitch session. no?”

   Hello dear reader! I’ll just correct you on a small point there. I ditched logging into SL itself, in part because of issues exactly like the JLU’s dataming and Redzone and because LL don’t do enough or act quickly enough to protect the residents. I downloaded viewer 3 when it came out so I could get a quick look at mesh to satisfy curiosity but that about sums up my logged in time for god knows how long apart from literally logging in to answer an IM that I’ve had an email about as you rightly said.

   That doesn’t mean I ditched SL in whole. In fact I still find it interesting and still enjoy debating/arguing/reading about it. In fact just last week I was asked to consult for a bricks and mortar company on aspects of using SL or seeking other options to suit their business requirements. So I do still have a vested interest in the subject. You might be interested to know that I heavily advised against that company using SL and we found better ways for them to achieve their goals.

   Now, nice attempt to get a voice of dissent and logic silenced but sadly to no avail. You wouldn’t be Kalolcakes by any chance? Oh well, please enjoy the rest of your evening whoever you are
5. 

   Reader
   

   Aug 26th, 2011
   

   There you go again, “nice attempt to get a voice of dissent and logic silenced”. The cognitive processes around these parts seem to be fading fast. I know they were once here. I’m sure of it. But considering the inane garbage spew that has been transpiring on both competing website, I’m not shocked. Logic is absent for most, and diminishing rapidly for others. Don’t succumb to blather, much less fall prey to false assumptions.

   Thanks for clearing up your “current” status of SL involvement Sen. Much appreciated.

   Have a splendid evening and a great weekend too!
6. 

   Paul
   

   Aug 26th, 2011
   

   @ reader

   After wading through all 190+ pages of the SLU thread, I couldn’t agree with you more. And Prok is not too far off either (did I just say that?!?), it really does seem like a ‘sharia’ stoning party…and just like any lynch mob, it has a frantic mentality that sure puffs up the ringleaders (and their ‘credibility’) quite a bit. As you say, and as I have said before in here, the amusing thing is that 99% of SL residents have never heard of the Wrong Hands, the JLU, Prok, Pixeleen, or Woodbury.

   Yeah yeah I know, Kalel does awful things with RL implications. From all accounts, these JLU people are creepy, dangerous, and possibly criminals. But the same could be said for the griefers, whose posts are the very essence of ‘thou doest protest too much.” I am no fan of Proky, but where is the outrage over someone calling her RL phone to match the outrage over GLE’s interaction with that dood’s family? Why is one instance light hearted, even amusing social activism and the other is criminal intrusion into a grieving family’s life? because we don’t like Prok? Fucking bullies.

   The funny thing is, neither side amounts to anything without someone shining a flashlight on them, so I don’t know who any of them are fooling with the rhetoric of “darn it, let’s get LL to solve this injustice.” Like someone said, if LL actually DID ban kale and the JLU, what windmills would be left to allow those posters to feel important or to just feel anything? I agree with you reader… the awful truth (from the perspective of the self esteem of most of the posters) is that LL probably just plain ol’ really doesn’t care.

   In the real world, we have John Lennon saying “Imagine Living in Peace” and if it came true, we would have an end to violence, hunger, and injustice.

   In Second Life, we have (take your pick) Kalel/Prok/Tux saying “Imagine living without (take your pick) Griefers/the JLU”, and if it came true, we would see thousands of second life residents continuing to have pixel sex, buying pixel shoes, and playing pixel zingo, and maybe they might yawn and say..did something just happen? Then they would go back to their pose balls.

   Wait scratch all that…this stuff is really really important!!!
7. 

   Reader
   

   Aug 26th, 2011
   

   @Paul

   Hi5

   @ Anyone resorting to calling me Kalel, or Kalolcakes (I really like that one btw even though I don’t have the foggiest about its derivations, please enlighten me), find another bone to pick with me instead of taking the easy way out. Why is it that everyone with a dissenting point of view is automatically Kalel, or Prok, or [fill in the blank] dood who happens to be the focus of the “hated of the month” club around here? I was promised a club enrollment package btw but it never came. What’s up with that?

   Like Sen, I take an interest in participating in the discussion because it simply interests me and I see obvious failings in many of the “theme of the day” mob scenes that take place in here. Shoot me! Who cares. Bullets bounce. I AM IRON MAN! (just kidding) But wait, now that I think of it, there’s no spandex as part of Iron Man’s get up, so maybe I should reconsider that role…it just might work. /Reader scratches his chin a little and cracks a slight smirk.

   Fridays always seem to be the best days to engage these virtual world sites. I’m having fun, what about you?
8. 

   Bunjie
   

   Aug 26th, 2011
   

   If “Kalolcakes” (sorry I’m using your term Sen?), thinks having the bwiki is any kind of “deterrent” for second life residents who might or might not act out against the tos, he might want to think again.

   If it was not a sad joke before it’s more of one now that it’s become a target for certain individuals to intentionally “get listed”, it’s like the wiki version of Prokofy’s FIC list, minus the Linden help and influence.

   Perhaps it started off as a way to document pre-2006 when people we’re unknown and abuse was rampant and they wanted to piece information together over a long period of time and many, many accounts to determine who was doing what to them and their friends, but this is 2011 and we all know who is who (well almost).

   But it’s grown because “Kalolcakes” can taste blood or what he thinks is victory now he has names and addresses, he seems to have this constant feverish determination to put certain individuals behind bars or pursue them to their grave, and is now using this wiki as if it’s their “criminal record for prosperity” and I would not be surprised if actually, hes glad it get’s leaked.

   All the DMCA’s are pure bullshit anyway (who wouldn’t? think so KALEL? LOL) but more so because in the end any leaks ruins peoples reputations and covers them with even more mud that confuses the situation and makes it hard for people to support them, which is what he want’s and which helps him look like he was doing a good thing by pissing on people who did wrong on residents behalf’s.

   But how far can one company let a group go before theirs legal repercussions? Obviously this is not the end and Rodvik Linden will do fuck all because at the end of the day it’s a catch 22 situation, those of us who know better will understand if he makes a decision but over 50% of in-world residents don’t give a fuck and will take almost anything at face value.

   So if he appears to side with WU or W-Hat or TWH e.t.c that will be the end of his reputation, and people will start to hate him and that’s not because siding with any of those groups effected is wrong if its a neutral application of the tos, it’s because of the baggage and rep you bring, which you’ve reviled and rolled in because you had no choice when being slandered and two because it was LOL and gave your group some much needed “rep” and “direction” which like Tizzers said “held you together” as a group.

   And if he appears to side with JLU well pretty much the same will happen but on a smaller scale, if anything I’d say he’ll make another Linden take the fall for the drama like Soft who will say he was never on anyone’s side and was “just doing his job” and they’ll kick out a few from the top bracket who poked the bees.

   As for GLE well I can see how what he said could be miss interpreted, but we’ll never really know if he was digging for information or they really had a “cold war friendship”.
9. 

   GreenLantern Excelsior
   

   Aug 26th, 2011
   

   @ Senban “Vast numbers of people are disagreeing with you and find the JLU morally repugnant and unwanted.”

   Those “vast numbers” are actually just a small group of opponents who post loudly (in ALL CAPS) and repeatedly. If you read the SLU thread you can see the trend:

   User 1: I hate JLU.
   User 2: I hate JLU even more.
   User 3: I hate JLU the MOST OF ALL!

   User 1: We should report them to the police.
   User 2: We should report them to the police and Interpol.
   User 3: We should report them to the police and Interpol and GOD!!!

   As Paul said, you can take your pick of which you like the most.

   User 1: JLU keeps some people’s RL information on their private blog. They are terrible!
   User 2: TWH stole JLU’s RL information and posted it in public for everyone to see. We are heroes!!
   User 3: Look how terrible JLU is for keeping all that RL information private that TWH just made public!!!

   So Bob looks at the wiki leak and says “Hey Charlie, it’s too bad your RL information got posted on the web. JLU really sucks, huh? Oh wait, there’s my private information too. Hey webmaster, can you take that down please? Because, umm, JLU still sucks.”

   These guys keep doxing each other like a circular firing party and then trying to blame someone else for it. Maybe there will be more to come, so get the popcorn and settle back in your chair.
10. 

    Paul
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    @Green Lantern Excelsior

    I am glad you found some use from my post, and I think your basic argument there is great… but I just need to add one thing, just for clarification: I find vigilantes not only morally repugnant, but if half of what has been posted from the JLU wiki is true, you guys have some serious issues.
11. 

    Senban Babii
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    @Reader
    “Kalolcakes (I really like that one btw even though I don’t have the foggiest about its derivations, please enlighten me)”

    Gladly I *think* I recall it started with Kalel being referred to as Kalol (the derivation there being obvious of course). That was around the time I was writing for the Herald, way back around the time of JLUgate and the JLU Wiki Opt Out group inworld. I vaguely recall it might have been Robble who I first heard it from but don’t quote me on that. I started to turn it into Kalolcakes shortly afterwards. I’ve got a habit of calling people cupcake and the two just sort of merged along the way.

    You can use it all you want Bunjie, knock yourself out

    Reader, your question about why dissenters often get called Kalel or Prok or whatever is actually interesting. I don’t think anyone usually thinks that it’s Kalel et al posting under a fake name. It’s more a way of implying “you are like that person”. I guess it’s a low level insult but more a way of dismissing the argument without merit. It’s a poor approach really and I’m just as guilty of it at times.

    @Bunjie
    “As for GLE well I can see how what he said could be miss interpreted, but we’ll never really know if he was digging for information or they really had a “cold war friendship”.”

    Fair point of course but once we start to put his comments and actions into the context of what was being said by GLE and his JLU compatriots at the meetings whose chatlogs have now been exposed, it does make it difficult to accept that his actions and words were anything a reasonable person would consider appropriate. It’s my honest opinion that GLE is the company spin doctor. I’ve watched him too long and followed these events too closely and I can’t see him as anything else. It’s all about damage limitation and re-interpreting words and events to look for ways to present them differently. He’s always looking for the plausible deniability angle.
12. 

    Senban Babii
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    /me points up two posts and thanks GLE for proving what she just wrote about him.
13. 

    LOL
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    @Green Retard in Tights,

    Are the private sims that your group is paTROLLING for IP addresses aware of what your doing? or has the JLU lied to the sim owners they claim to protect as well as the general public?

    you fucking ass hat
14. 

    Tux
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    @GLE The TWH do not have your little wiki . . . yet!

    Be assured as soon as I do get a copy it will be available for all and this time I will allow people to add their own comments. Then you will see exactly how people see you.

    Of course you are welcome to come along and make a TWH page (if there isn’t one already there that is).
15. 

    Reader
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    @Green Lantern Excelsior

    Some person by the name of Cathiee McMillian over on the SLU just doxed themself with a public link to a site called ‘I Hate Cathiee McMillan’ that they were obviously upset about at one time, perhaps they still are. I’m not sure I understand this logic. Tux Winkler did the same sort of thing earlier on the same SLU thread where he admitted thinking hard about even going there, but then decided it was the right thing to do (for the cause0 and allowed JLU wikidata to hit the light revealing RL info about himself I’m not a psychologist but I do have friends that are; this type of self implication to a wider audience is a puzzling but predictable behavior I am told that demonstrates a subconscious release mechanisim, similar to what the human body does to rid the dermis of impurities. You know, like a pimple? Involuntary response type of stuff. If the clip of self inflicted “reveals” keeps up like this, the whole shooting match will eventually turn into a RL dance party because everyone will know everyone else in the circus tent. Seems to me, once this happens, some people will start getting “served” more than just a virtual sh*t burger with that proverbial side order of short & curly fries. Either that or it just turns into a huge freaking stalemate because everyone involved is paralyzed with fear because “it’s” all out in the open.

    Hey, at the very least, we should all have a really juicy book to read that covers the whole ball of wax. Problem is, many of these folks have lived the movie before reading the book – which is kind of ass backwards – thereby ruining the whole experience. The rest of the pixelated & non-pixelated world will care less because they have too many other, vastly more compelling works of literature that still clutter their e-readers and begging to be read.

    I AM IRON MAN!
16. 

    Dontspill McGinnis
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    @ Reader

    Your implication was clear, in that you were slating Senban for voicing an opinion on the scandalous behaviour of the JLU, even though she rarely if ever logs on to Second Life these days.
    Is she not also entitled to free speech?
    Oh! I get it, it’s only allowed to the Pro JLU lobby (which currently appears to be limited to members of the JLU.)

    It registers as something important because it IS important. No amount of rage and diversion on your part is going to prevent it being so, though you will, no doubt continue to try.
    The people are not happy and the groundswell is growing. A look through the history pages should give you a small clue as to how that usually ends.

    Are you going to deny that the leaks are accurate?
    (Oh thats right, you can’t.. yesterday’s group notice said not to.)

    @ GLE

    I’m disappointed, though not terribly surprised that you chose to ignore my question. You and “Reader” are cut from the same cloth. (funny that….) you Ignore those you can’t divert.
17. 

    Tux
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    @Reader

    I couldn’t help but laugh:

    ‘I’m not a psychologist but I do have friends that are’

    That reminds of the people who say they are not racists because they know a black person.

    And FYI, I am not scared. In fact I am completely enjoying SL at the moment. Only an hour ago I had a stranger teleport in to our sim and ask if I was ‘the’ Tux. Talk about ego stroking.
18. 

    Paul
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    @Dontspill

    wow you sure demonstrated reader’s point: He doesn’t go along with your lynchmob, and presto! he is ‘cut from the same cloth’ as the JLU. And where do you get “rage and diversion” from? Reader is always deliberate and rational in his posts. Should he instead shriek at people that they are “asshats” and “Green Retards”?? Why don’t we just insult Prok’s vagina while we are at it?… I guess that is the form of rational argument that passes for valid by the ‘good guys’ on this subject.

    It’s funny, I started yesterday all ready to indict the JLU, but after reading the comments here and on the SLU, I have reached the conclusion that both sides are basically petty lil’ drama queens who would cease to exist if this ‘drama’ itself were to disappear. The nastiest big fish in the smallest and most ridiculous of ponds. And to make things even more ludicrous, as previously stated, the drama is important to no one but the actual participants and few seemingly masochistic observers like me, and maybe Reader.

    ok go ahead…call me a JLU sympathizer and other sophomoric names.

    Hey Ludlow and Boellstorff, if you are reading, don’t even think this is an interesting subculture to study… we are all (including you) self selected into this mess from neurosis, neither born into it nor studying it objectively.
19. 

    Paul
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    Tux said:
    “And FYI, I am not scared. In fact I am completely enjoying SL at the moment. Only an hour ago I had a stranger teleport in to our sim and ask if I was ‘the’ Tux. Talk about ego stroking.”

    see? that is the big fish in the small pond part.
20. 

    Dontspill McGinnis
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    @ Paul

    Reader had a point?

    Wow.. I must have missed that hidden amongst the insults.
21. 

    hobo kelly
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    well… halloween is coming thats all I know…
22. 

    The List SL
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    List of 5,801 resident roles leaked from JLU Brainiac

    http://thelistjlu.blogspot.com/p/database-of-roles.html
23. 

    Paul
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    @Dontspill

    Let me try to help, I know reading can be difficult sometimes!

    I believe Reader had at least two points in that last post:

    1) both the Watchers and the Watched are drawn to this drama like moths to a flame as a result of their own neuroses.

    and 2) nobody cares a rat’s ass about this drama except those who are actually participating in this forum and in SLU, which, when you actually look at the posts, amounts to just a handful of people.

    Hopefully this helps!
24. 

    Reader
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    @ Spill,

    “Are you going to deny that the leaks are accurate?”

    Who am I to validate authenticity? Do they LOOK authentic to me?, well from what little I know of these matters, sure, the various tables and lists appear to be legit. Who knows? Do I think TheListSL is pushing out fabricated data? Probably not. The screen shots of various communications and what-not seem authentic. But all this is speculation. You need to seek confirmations or denials from the source, not me.

    “Is she (Sen) not also entitled to free speech?”

    Sure she is. You do however have a problem reading and easily fall prey to stupid assumptions and delusions of “slating”.

    “It registers as something important because it IS important.” and the rest of that particular paragraph smacks of rage if you ask me, so I’ll skip the dramatics. The public will see your rage clearly for what it is. But I will say this, if it registers important to you, no problem! It’s your problem. Tackle that head on. But quit with the mob bash and go take some firm, decisive action. You don’t need TheListSL to parse out the info flow, get your heads together on it as a group of activists and review it in parallel, nail the actionable pieces of it and hit the street running. The blather on the SLU was lost on me after about page 100. For most it will be about page 10. Quit running circles around the same old crap, WE GET IT, you’re pissed and you’re not going to take it anymore. Act on it then for crying out loud.

    You want my support? Then motivate me (ME as the symbolic ANYONE you intend to capture and convince) to mobilize with you guys based upon some reasonable behavior and rhetoric, instead of the round-robin elementary school yard antics going on over there on the SLU (and here to a lesser degree). Convince me that you guys are reacting intelligently, and I’m ALL in. Whatever I can do to help. No BS. The name calling, the circle back bs, the ganging up makes a pathetic argument makes.

    Be smart about it or get the f*ck out. You do want to win this and make SL a better place, right?
25. 

    Senban Babii
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    Okay I have a question?

    “Senban Babii personage 2010-07-10 15:26:31″

    @JLU

    Hello darlings! Can you please provide an explanation for the term “personage” as used by yourselves in conjunction with my avatar name as listed in the Brainiac database/wiki/other? I would also like an explanation of why the date and time of 2010-07-10 15:26:31 is listed and what relevance this has or implies.

    See, we’re all friends here, right? So I’m asking a polite question.

    For reference and information, I did just check back in my chatlogs (which I keep a separate backup of with notes in case of this type of issue) and the single time I actually even logged into SL in July 2010 was on the 29th, between 1317 hours and 1409 hours SL time.

    So, I’d like an answer please? Thanks in advance for your assistance.
26. 

    Doctor Yootz
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    @Paul, if you havent acctualy read the whole thread, but only the last few pages, i can understand the picture that you have your mind.

    But maybe you can understand that people get a little bit upset after 180 pages with JLU members constantly lying to them.
27. 

    Dontspill McGinnis
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    @ Paul,

    Except that’s not quite true is it?
    Both you and Reader have been repeatedly posting here and reading at SLU. Are you now saying that you do both give a rats as after all?

    There are plenty of people reading at SLU without posting comments. Does this mean they don’t care? Possibly, but then if they didn’t care, why would they read?

    Oh yes.. that’s right, they are all moths too.
28. 

    Reader
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    “And FYI, I am not scared.”

    See, there you go again Spill, I mean Tux, I mean [write in ballot]…

    Not scared. Where the heck did that come from dood?

    Who said you were scared? Subconscious bothering you a little bit there Tux?

    And this part, “Wow.. I must have missed that hidden amongst the insults.” Sensitive to insults now are we? Both the Real AND the imaginary ones?

    Do Spill more…

    Actually, enough with the shenanigans. You’ve been feed enough for one day… Like I said, stop talking, get your collective head(s) around this [that was meant to be funny btw] and follow through with some action to rid the world of the superheroes once & for all and get LL back on the right track. I support that! 100%
29. 

    Cathiee McMillan
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    Kal’eL and to the JLU

    We would love for you to come in there or the SLU forms and have a converstation on all your actions with this wiki.

    I belive if you come in here and present you case we can resepect it we may not agree so it may look like bashing but we do listen to all sides of the story to understand what is going on.

    If you are honestly feel you have been given the right to collect this data from any law enforcment agency why are you not in here telling us.

    If you can provide us with this information it would end alot of the discussions.
30. 

    Ryokashi
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    Sorry I’m pretty sure that the threat of someone tracking you down in real life for making enemies of them on the internet is a fairly real threat.

    And GLE’s only defense for it instead of trying to deny any allegations about how it should not be there in the first place is “YEAH, WELL HOW DARE THE WRONG HANDS REVEAL OUR CREEPY PRACTICES” even though this time it was not us.

    GLE please answer why you have not removed Joshua Nightshade’s wiki page containing his real life information and personal emails after a year and a half of him demanding it be taken down.

    This is not only “griefers” being stalked, Joshua Nightshade had actually helped the JLU and had the response of them compiling all his personal information and refusing to remove it.
31. 

    Reader
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    “But maybe you can understand that people get a little bit upset after 180 pages with JLU members constantly lying to them.”

    The people getting upset are the same people propogating the thread. Does that make any sense to you Yootz? Sounds like padded cell stuff to me bro-friend.

    Maybe you should request Cristiano to do one of those forum poll vote thingies over there on SLU.

    See, I can be helpful for the cause…
32. 

    James Freud
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    This is getting better than *Melrose Place!

    *The original, not the crappy remake. Anything is better than the remake.
33. 

    Doctor Yootz
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    @Reader
    maybe i got you wrong, im not a native speaker, but:

    “The people getting upset are the same people propogating the thread. ”

    sounds like normal behaviour to me.
34. 

    hobo kelly
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    kalel venkman, kalel venkman,
    where are you?
    where are you?
    while you’re out stalking
    your wiki keeps on talking
    shame on you
    shame on you
35. 

    Paul
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    @ yootz,

    no no, i actually read the whole thread on the SLU (and yeah, Spill, that certainly makes me a moth too, don’t get me wrong, I am no hypocrite). You ask, how much of that 180 (now over 200) pages is the JLU lying to you? It might be fun to quantify it. I bet it would be something like:

    30%: People calling the JLU names and saying the sky is falling
    10%: Joshua spouting off and calling people names
    10%: Tux spouting off and calling people names
    10%: Proky spouting off and losing whatever point she makes due to bitterness and long windedness.
    5%: Everyone else calling Proky names
    5% Griefers posting actually useful facts about the JLU
    20%: People posting pointless but sometimes funny pictures and you tube videos
    5% Griefers lying to you
    and that leaves…..
    5% JLU lying to you.

    I think that adds up to 100! it is however, unscientific.
36. 

    GG3
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    BTW:

    Anyone that has visited public sandboxes are on the JLU’s list, regardless.

    96% guarantee.
37. 

    Doctor Yootz
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    @Paul
    congratulations, you just figured out how forums work.

    acctually the JLU needs one post to lie about something, it needs one post by the leak to proove its a lie, and the rest is forum users that make angry posts about it, followed by a JLU guy that makes one condescending/arrogant post and the forum users have to anser.

    i still dont see why someone would have to post angry comments about this on a different page.
    why dont you just read the summary?
38. 

    paul
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    @ Yootz

    If that is the way forums work, and if it only takes one post to lie about something, why did you originally say “after 180 pages of constant lies”? As an observer, it is this kind of hyperbole that makes it seems like a lynchmob, regardless of whatever justice there is in the original accusation.

    By your own logic, you should have said.. “after one damning post against the JLU and after one lie by the JLU, the participants in the forum spent 180 pages shrieking and yelling about the same shit over and over” lmaoooo
39. 

    LOL
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    It would appear that GLE aka “Greatest Looser Extraordinaire” has been shamed from the herald as well. Good job everyone!
40. 

    Doctor Yootz
    

    Aug 26th, 2011
    

    you have said you have read the thread, so you did get my point, i dont feel like filling the whole comments section with hairsplitting.
41. 

    paul
    

    Aug 27th, 2011
    

    @ Yootz,

    Ok, but just so we are clear, (I am a little simple), your point was that 180 pages of freaking out over one post is evidence of the serious of that one post. Gotcha.
42. 

    Tux
    

    Aug 27th, 2011
    

    @Paul, had you read it like you stated you would see it isn’t over one post. It is in fact to do with the continued and up to date leaks that riddle the JLU’s secrets.

    So yes, I agree, you are a little simple.
43. 

    paul
    

    Aug 27th, 2011
    

    @Tux

    Thanks for the clarification! That makes all the difference in the world. You are so clever. =]
44. 

    Ryokashi
    

    Aug 27th, 2011
    

    Paul how can you possibly justify the JLU gathering real life information on residents over petty disputes? They think it is okay to track down “griefers” in real life and attempt to ruin their lives.

    Even more then that, it isn’t even people they label griefers that they’ve gathered information on, Joshua Nightshade had helped them out in the past, and they responded by putting emails he had given to a friend of his at the time under the assumption that they were confidential, and put all his personal information up there too.
45. 

    paul
    

    Aug 27th, 2011
    

    @Ryokashi

    Funny, I don’t recall ever justifying gathering real life information on anyone. How ever did you manage to conclude that? Are you using the same sharp analytical skills in making your case about your accusations against the JLU? that is downright scary.
46. 

    Reader
    

    Aug 27th, 2011
    

    “you have said you have read the thread, so you did get my point, i dont feel like filling the whole comments section with hairsplitting.”

    You are indeed a rare bird in an otherwise aimless flock of geese Yootz.

    Maybe that explains why you are so deliberate with your contributions over on SLU, because, hair splitting, rage-festing and plain old wild eyed spitting is all that is essentially going on by the other fanatics in that thread. What makes you so different? Rub some of those smarts off onto the other meeroos because the jig is up & those minions are have been exposed as lemmings in disguise – all lining up to jump off the same bridge Tux has built for them.

    Organize people. Complaining like little bitches gets you no where fast and undermines your credibility. Forget the attention getting bs, organize and focus on actionable items or GTFO and jump the rail.
47. 

    Reader
    

    Aug 27th, 2011
    

    Ryo, grab an energy drink fast, cup of joe – something – your brain is fading and now you are embarassing yourself in front of everyone.

    All 12 of us.
48. 

    Ryokashi
    

    Aug 27th, 2011
    

    You are claiming that the thread is filled with endless lies on both sides, but whatever the case, the lies on the side of the JLU have been proven with the leaked wiki pages and meeting logs. Which have been confirmed as authentic.

    All the actionable items have been gathered, you seem to be instead ignoring them and turning it into some personal pissing match against us even though we have nothing to do with the leak, and are instead happy to see the creepy shit the JLU has been doing revealed.

    I also believe that you and Reader have other motives for defending them and trying to steer the attention away. There is no purpose for it. The article is here to bring attention to the fact that the JLU have been gathering personal information and using it to intimidate and harass. You seem to be turning this into petty insults thrown at anyone against the JLU.
49. 

    Potosi Abonwood
    

    Aug 27th, 2011
    

    Nice to see a JLU sockpuppet or two have decided to show up and act like they are better than everyone else. Quit ego tripping and use your JLU names, at least that sociopath GLE does. To bad the griefers are better than him.
50. 

    Reader
    

    Aug 27th, 2011
    

    “It registers as something important because it IS important. No amount of rage and diversion on your part is going to prevent it being so, though you will, no doubt continue to try.
    The people are not happy and the groundswell is growing. A look through the history pages should give you a small clue as to how that usually ends.”

    Missed addressing all of this earlier so here we go, just to be sure;

    “No amount of rage and diversion on your part is going to prevent it being so…”

    Crippling self importance- Check. Spill’s rage and diversion is being threatened by some type of maginary rage and diversion emanating from Reader (Iron Man) – Check

    “The People are not happy…”

    What people? Some clique of rage fanatics? Who represent WHAT percentage of the total who give a sh*t? or their respective percentage of all active users?

    Spill feels empowred to speak for the people. What people we aren’t quite sure.

    Secondary layer of delusional self importance – Check
    Bad with statistics – Check

    “…and the groundswell is growing. A look through the history pages should give you a small clue as to how that usually ends.”

    Ground swell? Growing?

    Really, really bad with statistical analysis – Check

    Feels this JLU debacle in SL, somehow, directly correlates to the pages of history. Did you mean world history, UK history or perhaps legal precedence and legal proceedings at they relate to history?
    Or maybe you are trying to imply that this “ground swell” is remotely related to the Arab Spring or some other such revolution?

    Clueless and back to the HUGE self importance thing – Check

    ——————————————————————————————

    Wishes he had more money coming in because every time he sees Reader using the word “Check”, Spill stiffens up & thinks to himself, “Where’s Mine?”

    - – Check! – -

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