JLU Shamed – Green Lantern Excelsior Turns His Back on SLUniverse
by Pixeleen Mistral on 26/08/11 at 3:46 am
Superheros “standing in front of a monkey cage and being pelted with waste products”
For almost a week, a particularly ugly chapter in Second Life’s social history has been playing out on both theListSL.blogspot.com and the SLUniverse.com forums. While it is impossible to know if all the claims being made are true, the sheer body of evidence suggests that the Justice League Unlimited's secret wiki's security has been compromised again. Apparently the security-challenged JLU didn't learn anything after their last embarrassment and have continued to compile dossiers on Second Life players without their knowledge or consent.
JLU advises members to keep quiet about wiki leaks
What seems to be a never-ending series of extremely embarrassing disclosures from the notoriously leaky JLU Brainiac wiki paints a disturbing picture of Kalel Venkman’s band of virtual vigilantes fighting tooth and nail for what they believe is law and order in an online cartoon world - never mind the fact that the other players didn't sign up for a surveillance society game.
What sort of revelations have the rank and file players up in arms?
Facebook stalking the family of an AIDS patient to verify he is on his deathbed - then speculating that his demise might result in less game world griefing. Tracking real life identities of various Second Life players - sometimes in very great detail. Collecting medical information on those the JLU believes are enemies. Attempting to frame other plays with "black ops". Fabricating chatlogs to file abuse reports hoping to ban other players - it just goes on and on.
On the other side of the fence, in what has grown to be a 188+ page forum thread with over 4600 replies and 103,000 views, mainstream Second Life fight a war of words with a succession of JLU spokesmen. Strangely, JLU leader Kalel Venkman has yet to step up in public to answer his critics, and those JLU members who have spoken up seem unable to do much more than inflame the situation further. Who are the real griefers are in this situation?
I was hoping against hope that one of the more inflamatory comments was a troll - and asked Green Lantern Excelsior in-world if he was really behind the SLUniverse comments. He said he was, and shared his opinion of the SLUniverse readers.
Pixeleen Mistral: did you really post this:
http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/general-sl-discussion/63339-jlu-harvesting-ip-addresses-125.html#post1357637
Pixeleen Mistral: seriously GLE - did you really post that?
GreenLantern Excelsior: (Saved Wed Aug 24 02:38:21 2011) Yes, I posted that. I posted on many of the pages in that discussion thread.
GreenLantern Excelsior: (Saved Wed Aug 24 02:38:41 2011) I was banned from SL Universe tonight, for posting "links to RL information," i.e., a link to Deadly Codec's obituary. The ban will be lifted on September 6, but I won't return. There are very few members on that board who will engage in serious and respectful discussion. Mostly it is like standing in front of a monkey cage and being pelted with waste products.
The more optimistic members of the anti-JLU faction cling to hope that the Linden game gods will take a stand, hoping against hope that Linden Lab is not in such dire straights that Second Life has been forced to depend on corrupt volunteer vigilantes to help maintain order on the grid.
Second Life Premium gives you more privacy ad next to players begging Rodvik for help
And so heartfelt pleas are posted to Rodvik Linden’s Second Life profile, but as of this writing remain unanswered. I hope Rodvik hasn’t been playing Farmville in Facebook and neglecting his SL profile page - but Rodvik did mention at the SLCC that social media is taking people’s time away from immersive games. Unfortunately, some of those still deeply engaged in Second Life are taking the game far outside of the virtual realm in ways that seem likely to harm the ailing Second Life brand.
Meanwhile it seems likely that anti-JLU sentiment will continue to rise unless the JLU can somehow cover up the evidence. Will Kalel resort to firing scattershot DMCA takedown notices again? Perhaps not - since this would be a tacit admission that the leaked material is legitimate - and could lead to some unfortunate legal action for the would-be super hero if a pattern of filing frivolous DMCA complaints was demonstrated.
Reader
Aug 27th, 2011
Potosi and Ryo,
Being delusional gets you nowhere. Stop it, you’re embarrassing yourselves already.
Quit being paranoid.
Quit making rash judgements.
Quit falling prey to easy sockpuppet name calling bs
Go work on your social studies homework, it will be Monday before you know it.
The jig is up!
Tux
Aug 27th, 2011
Wow Reader, you have as much a thing for Dontspill as Prok does for me. You realise he has a wonderful girlfriend already right?
I can’t help but smile at some of your writings. GJ.
Potosi Abonwood
Aug 27th, 2011
Homework? Who is making the rash judgements now? However I will say your writing style is very familiar. Guess after you got banned from SLU and most folks have ignored inworld you have to start up here now.
So you are embarrassing yourself. You are defending the undefendable. Take your own advice “Being delusioal gets you nowhere”.
Reader
Aug 27th, 2011
the Potosi chart:
Misinterprets the homework comment.
Reading isn’t fundamental and fails to ask for clarification – Check
Paranoid phishing – Check
Don’t worry Potosi, I won’t be storing these on a brainiac for future use. They are recorded & store here for all posterity.
Tux
Aug 27th, 2011
Reader, let me ask a question: How would you feel if your child googled superman and saw all these horror stories?
Now how do you think DC comics want Superman (the real one, not just some old guy with a fetish for tights) to appear in the public eye?
Superman was supposed to be an inspiration to people. Not some creepy old guy who stalks people, calls employers, places of study and threatens to kill people. Am I right?
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Lulz
Aug 27th, 2011
LOL I talked to (Green Lantern Excelsior ) he claims that the system doesn’t log IP addresses, or unless I shouldn’t trust him anymore.
I mean I really do support JLU, Grid Watch, and what their members do in SL I support their efforts against Theft, and Anti Griefing, but if they are secretly logging information behind my back without my express consent, and then scanning my clients through media obtaining IP addresses, then sorry I do not support this part of what they are doing.
I do not support Skills Hak or his friends, and I believe that their systems need to be removed from Second Life for defaming residents harassing individuals.
** Also If I personally had control over such a ban network myself I would start banning every known Copybotter or person who has even so much as assoicated with a greifer, and seriously if they want to appeal they would have to do as I ask if they want to get off such a list, but again i would not abuse or add a person without a damn good reason to do such.**
Although some kids like JLU I have caught to have add people including myself without any reason although I got removed it was because I made a comment saying I am glad that BanLinks got hacked because all that system did was defeame my friends without reason and that was enough to consider me a griefer which is utter bullshit.
Anyways I will continue to support JLU with their Anti Grief efforts as well as everyone else but I will not take part in their data mining or harvesting of information.
Sure I myself profile people griefers all the time as well but I do not make that information on a wiki i stoer all that on my PC and review as I see fit and need to do my SL job.
Hope people understand and yaeh JLU ): why are they more than likely lie to me is the question now if I consider TWH a griefer group I dont know who to trust anymore.
paul
Aug 27th, 2011
@ Ryo
When did I ever suggest that the thread was filled with ‘endless lies”????
What I actually DID suggest was that it was drama filled, histrionic-filled, hyperbolic, pity party name calling lynch mob that has certainly elevated the public profile of a few of you. I never even heard of the SLU until yesterday, and i went over there fully expecting to be outraged by the JLU. Instead, I have concluded that you all deserve and need each other, otherwise you would have nothing to live for. I am a sim owning, business owning SL resident and I have yet to see any of you clowns (griefer or vigilante) in world, and I am not on “The List.” You guys kinda remind me of that Star Trek episode where the guys with black and white faces (but on opposite sides from each other) were locked in mortal combat over a dead civilization. Maybe you might consider that it is not 2006 anymore, and SL has grown way beyond you into mass of thousands of pixel sexing, pixel shopping, gossiping game players, rather then the small and incestuous cadre of drama queens that ran the place into the ground in the early years.
Oh but I forgot, Reader and I are JLU apologists or even secretly members…. lord knows we couldn’t have an opinion that does not agree with the lynch mob otherwise. Try reading the above threads if you want to know my opinion about the JLU and ‘green lantern’
/me rolls eyes.
Jessica Holyoke
Aug 27th, 2011
@JLU The world doesn’t need protecting from dongs. Your invasion of privacy rights, possible criminal actions in doing so and your false DMCA claims in order to try to control griefers is unwarranted, illegal, and may make you, and everyone in your group, jointly liable for the above.
@griefers in general. One of my actual regrets is reporting on Benazir Bhutto’s funeral before it happened. When I attended it, I got to see giant cubes of floating goatse and pictures of Bhutto with a black eye. You aren’t funny. Calling you immature is a slander against the youth. You need a better sense of humor. Do stuff with anti-joke chicken or maybe philosoraptor.
@griefer/anti-griefer: both of y’all knock the real life shit off. Ding dong ditch only sounds like a good idea. Its going to end in tragedy, one way or another.
@Prok…seeing if my posting a comment mentioning you will bring you back here. Maybe it will, maybe it won’t.
@the JLU again: Seriously? You are risking possible criminal and civil liability in order to protect the world from pictures of dongs and assholes? You can’t even make up a Prok like statistic about the man hours put into reworking a sim after a griefing attack. That sounds like vandalism. That actually is a crime. But no, you can’t even be smart enough to say that you are preventing economic harm. You are protecting the residents of Second Life from dongs and assholes when a good majority of residents that come to Second Life come to it to find dongs and assholes.
LOL
Aug 27th, 2011
@prok
u a dumb bitch
We
Aug 27th, 2011
I wonder how GreenLantern would take to a google scrapping on him collected and posted. There seems to be a /lot/ of data out there.
Rotten_Core
Aug 27th, 2011
Reader your logic is flawed. Sure, 90% of SL’s residents won’t even hear of, or give a shit about any of these events. Most users would be pretty apathetic about it even if they were made aware of it. However, most people are apathetic in the same way about real world events, but are almost always made aware of them through media outlets that surround them in their immediate environment (TV, radio, etc). It’s not the same in SL, obviously.
SPACETARD
Aug 27th, 2011
Man.
I talked to Deadly with my brief time in the nigras. I had no idea the dude had a terminal illness. Kind of surreal to think about it now.
Hopefully he rests in peace.
But yeah….This article proves what we always knew.
That the JLU and everyone involved are nothing but fucked up, paranoid individuals.
Dave Bell
Aug 27th, 2011
I’ve never seen these guys. Never gone looking for them, to be honest.
They’re running around SL, brandishing very well-known trademark IP, and reported to be doing stuff which would harm the reputation of the trademarks.
There are various groups in SL which provide security services. Some claim to be trained Police Officers. Others are employees of a company which has a web presence, and which is employed by the US Army–I think they’re likely to be genuine.
It’s hard judging who to rely on. But the apparent fact that Linden Lab doesn’t jump on the IP breaches is disturbing. We have the IP tutorial associated with the getting the right to upload Mesh, and we have this outfit showing scant regard for the IP rights the Lab wants to appear to enforce.
I have heard a few little stories of Linden Labs be strong on the words, when it comes to IP matters, and piss-poor on the actions. Unless this story is completely invented, this looks like more of the same.
Dontspill McGinnis
Aug 27th, 2011
@ Reader
You SAY none of it matters, yet for someone who apparently doesn’t care, you keep coming back to try to ridicule me and the whole JLU debate.
Any thought of rational argument has been abandoned in favour of trying to make me look bad. That tactic does feel very familiar.
Anyone might think I had in some way personally humiliated you somewhere like, oh, I don’t know .. Tux’s blog for example.
Why so personal “Reader”?
Dontspill McGinnis
Aug 27th, 2011
@ Tux
“Wow Reader, you have as much a thing for Dontspill as Prok does for me. You realise he has a wonderful girlfriend already right?
I can’t help but smile at some of your writings. GJ.”
Yes he does realise, as she has been listed as a griefer too, probably just for being my partner.
Anyway, “Reader”, I’m sorry, but this Dwarf ain’t for turning.
Just take another pill and go lie down.
I’m sure it will pass.
Lulz
Aug 27th, 2011
@ Tux Please pm me your new SL name You know who I am and I miss talking to ya (GothGirl Demonia)
Oh and there are only two simulators in Second Life left using spyware that i know of is Fantasies & Gothicatz.
hobo kelly
Aug 27th, 2011
Simi Valley Weather Forecast (for any b-tards who happen to be running around the area):
Partly cloudy today and HOT with highs near 103. Partly cloudy in the evening, then becoming clear overnight with lows around 70.
Such high heat index values will make it difficult to
remain cool… and pose a potentially fatal risk for heat illness
and fatigue… especially for the homeless… elderly… and people
working outdoors… or wearing dark shaded spandex…
GG3
Aug 27th, 2011
It’s pretty sad people go over the top-lengths for a game that their granted, yes, i said “granted” to make money off of. Linden Labs can revoke the system, however at any time.
This could be part of the problem. Remove the Linden-Token system, and private land more affordable to the budget-wise customer, and 50% of these witch-huntings would stop. What do people really use SL for, a game, or some 1st life replacement fantasy based on pixels and chat (seriously) and ignore their real-life responsibilities to the point that the game is running them? Then there’s groups like the JLU, who feed off of these vulnerabilities.
Certainly there must be more reasons than the need to control and dictact customers who use the service. Money? Greed?
Perhaps one day SL will become a place were segregation, censorship and intolerance is a rare thing of the past. But it’s a distant one.
GreenLantern Excelsior
Aug 27th, 2011
@ Dontspill
“Do you still think the the SL population at large want you lot patrolling the grid on their behalf?
Would you care to revisit that point in open debate?”
I went through the 15 most recent pages on that SL Universe thread and noted the members who really really really dislike JLU. Here’s the list:
Anguissette
Arilynn
Artemis Fate
Astolat Dufaux
Beezle Warburton
bronxelf
Bunjie
Cathiee McMillan
charitystohr
Code Slacker
Cummere Mayo
Dontspill McGinnis
Economic Engineer
eighthdwarf Checchinato
Epacsten
Imnotgoing Sideways
Kara Spengler
NotoriousD
Potosi
Robble Rubble
Ryokashi
TheListSL
Tracer Graves
Trasee Darkwatch
Tux
Tuxette Magic
Vergil Hellershanks
zip paz
28 members dislike JLU in that thread, out of 19,833 total members on the SLU board, out of 81,140 SL residents logged in now, out of more than 24 million total SL residents. Only twenty-eight residents on SLU dislike JLU enough to say so. So I believe that if asked, the majority of SL residents would be in favor of JLU and other volunteer groups patrolling the grid. Either that or they would have no opinion. The opponents of JLU appear to be a very small (but vocal) minority.
Senban Babii
Aug 27th, 2011
@GLE
“So I believe that if asked, the majority of SL residents would be in favor of JLU and other volunteer groups patrolling the grid.”
Yes but would those people be making an *informed* opinion? Or would you be spin doctoring to give them a nice image instead of giving them the facts about how you people *really* operate and what kind of people you all *really* are?
And seeing as you’re here, can you please tell me why I’m listed as a “personage” in your database? Am I there for a specific reason or simply because I’m vocal about my feelings for you people?
http://www.koinup.com/SenbanBabii/work/383464/
Senban Babii
Aug 27th, 2011
@GLE
“28 members dislike JLU in that thread”
Oh yes, also this. You first said you only looked at fifteen pages and then made a comment implying twenty eight people in the entire thread. Another example of how you people twist the facts to suit your agenda there? Wow, you’re really good at this spin doctoring.
Senban Babii
Aug 27th, 2011
@GLE (again)
Oh and while we’re talking about twisting statistics, even if we take your 28 as factual, your listing of 19833 members of SLU is misleading as a comparative figure because not all of those 19833 are active members and not all of those will be aware of the thread and its contents. So the figures you offer are flawed and skewed towards presenting yourselves as speaking for a majority which simply doesn’t exist.
Now how about answering the question I’ve now asked twice in these comments. You can’t have failed to notice many people asking the same question over at SLU. You know, the place you’re banned from?
Potosi Abonwood
Aug 27th, 2011
So how is Zens approval rating everytime he starts chatting in the GZ group? Also that thread grows so fast there are plenty of people you missed there, fifteen pages pfft that’s no time at all. I’ve seen some people getting concerned over on the official LL SL forums but the threads keep getting closed… maybe a moderator in JLU’s pocket? I’ve also been inworld talking to people and passing on information as well as links to SLU and my own blog. The number of lurkers and guests (although some are undoubtably JLU) have shot way up.
You are delusional if you think that fifteen pages of the SLU thread shows much of the overall picture. But then it’s been pretty obvious that you are delusional so nothing new there.
So go back and keep talking about calling peoples mothers (that leaked chat is at SLU and you are the one saying it) or harrassing them by calling their school. Or maybe you need to go call some families and lie to them to see if any more griefers have passed away.
Tracer Graves
Aug 27th, 2011
GLE is right. I REALLY don’t like the JLU for harvesting RL info such as the names and ages of children and threating RL disclosure to silence their targets:
[18:18] GreenLantern Excelsior: I have a nice anonymous email address and would love to get the ball rolling by sending him a message: “Nebula Griefing goes offline as of right now or everyone you know finds out who you REALLY are.
[18:18] GreenLantern Excelsior: “.
[18:18] BilliAnn Bravin: Night Kitty. Sleep tight.
[18:18] Kohaku Owatatsumi: That sounds like a bag of no, GLE, honestly.
[18:18] BilliAnn Bravin: Hey sweetie.
[18:18] [PG - full name removed]: thank you and have a good night all. I”m sorry.. my house is going to bed, too.
[18:19] [PG - full name removed]: bye.
[18:19] Kohaku Owatatsumi: Sleep well, PK.
[18:19] Kalel Venkman: I’d just go straight to his parents.
[18:19] Melanippe Karas wavs.
[18:19] GreenLantern Excelsior: Just a suggestion.
[18:19] Kalel Venkman: It’s not a threat that way.
[18:19] Kara Timtam: Goodnight, house.
[18:19] Kohaku Owatatsumi: Kalel has a point.
Arkady Arkright
Aug 27th, 2011
@GLE – like your little list of opponents on SLU – notice you left a few off to keep the numbers down, me included.
Just another lie then ?
Tracer Graves
Aug 27th, 2011
Also, GLE. How many people in the SLU thread have risen in defense of you. You’d think since all but 28 of the active SL membership support you patrolling the grid and harvesting the white blood cell counts of a JLU target and calling their sister in the guise of a friend to do death recon, there would be more people rising up in your defense. I have yet to see it.
We
Aug 27th, 2011
@GLE
That’s uh… not how statistics work. You can’t just claim that anyone who isn’t voting would be voting for you.
On the contrary, you’d have to take the thread as a sample size, and from the looks of things it’s 100% against the JLU.
Speaking of which, since you seem to think that any information that can be divined by google can be published without problem, would you have an issue with your information being published? If so, why do you do it for others?
Marita
Aug 27th, 2011
GreenLantern , you counted 28 people who dislike the JLU , just shows how effective you are as a “SuperHero”.
There are 28 who have left a message on Rodvik’s page about the JLU , non in its favor.
Maybe you should go back and get a proper count of the SLU users.
And please add me to you super dooper ban thing , I do not wish to spend L’s anywhere it is in use.
hobo kelly
Aug 27th, 2011
Venkman on the bottom, Timtam on top, Excelsior in the middle goin’ flippity flop…
Barbie MathIs
Aug 27th, 2011
Yo, GL, this evident lack of any training in statistics is shameful for someone your age. And you once again demonstrate the vast narcissism of JLU members. The minute the real grownups in SL, the ones too busy to waste time reading SLU except rarely, take notice of your group’s reprehensible habits, your asses are collectively grass. So prepare to find a new hobby.
hobo kelly
Aug 27th, 2011
More vast narcissism: Here we have Venkman trying to convince Pete Linden to prosecute The Alphaville Herald in an effort to shut it up. I think its time to file that dmca harrassment charge. Excerpt:
“In any event, I think if we can paint the picture for him, we can show that this has been, in fact, a threat to Second Life business over time. And if we can get them to force Ludlow off the Secondlifehearld.com domain once and for all, it will be a crippling blow from which he will not recover, since 2/3rds of his link traffic goes to his old domain. If we can pull that foundation out from under him, I think we can win this finally.” –Kalel Venkman 03:50, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
http://thelistsl.blogspot.com
GG3
Aug 27th, 2011
@GLE
You and your “group” are nothing more than vagabonds bent on controlling Second-Life for your own agenda’s and how “you” should feel how a virtual world is ran with piggish censorship, by pretending to be “the good guys” in a fake, pix elated environment. You were NEVER “righteous”, and honestly, the way your group is running the JLU is just the way the religious establishments ran their domains back in the med-evil ages.
Your leader Kalel and those who are involved with him, has even gotten to the point of trying to manipulate staff at Linden-Labs for your own agendas. That’s more than enough to have gotten your group banned from any other company, let alone game.
Your group, and any other group affiliated with yours, has NO right whatsoever to call yourself policing/stalking others on this game to the point your collecting data on their RL medical information, their RL family information, and anything else that you think suits your fancy.
You are forgetting, Mr. GLE that these people your collecting information on have rights, something that apparently that the JLU and those affiliated with them, leap over with no thought and form.
This isn’t about “statistics” or “How many are against the JLU”. The very acts that your group is doing is immoral and it’s negatively affecting people’s REAL lives, something that an online game is NOT suppose to do.
GG3
Aug 27th, 2011
Btw, there’s more people who dislike what your doing then you think.
hobo kelly
Aug 27th, 2011
[14:51:36] Emiley Tomsen: Forced Teleport, heard of it, nice.
[14:51:41] Pete Linden:
[14:51:45] Pete Linden: Linden perk
[14:51:52] Scanner: Pete Linden is now within chat range
[14:52:00] Pete Linden: would you prefer text or voice?
[14:52:10] Emiley Tomsen: I can hear, but can’t speak.
[14:52:24] Emiley Tomsen: I can text, if you prefer to talk.
[14:52:52] Pete Linden: Ok, cool. Thanks for being flexible – happy with either way. Text might be easiest.
[14:52:53] Pete Linden:
[14:53:28] Pete Linden: Per my note, I appreciate this being off-the-record so that we can speak frankly about it.
[14:53:59] Emiley Tomsen: Right, this isn’t meant for a story. Just trying to make sure LL knows what’s going on
[14:54:08] Pete Linden: I appreciate that – both parts.
[14:54:34] Pete Linden: And thank you for bringing it to my attention
[14:55:50] Pete Linden: I’d not see the paper published with the Rutgers conference, but have since had a look at it.
[14:56:18] Emiley Tomsen: Ludlow has a long standing fued with my group, the JLU. And we’ve worked with LL at times in the past on some investigations regarding Woodbury and other major griefing issues. So he’s using his work to make a buck and try to give the JLU and LL a black eye, since your company isn’t supposed to officially work with resident groups.
[14:57:31] Pete Linden: Yes, I’m somewhat familiar with the situation, though I must admit I don’t know all of the history and facts.
[14:58:03] Emiley Tomsen: Some of the hate he spews in the paper is based on some facts, but he’s wildly distorted it.
[14:59:22] Pete Linden: That was the impression that I got. e.g. I know in the past, pics of innocuous mettings have been misinterpreted as something conspiratorial.
[15:00:02] Pete Linden: So, I’ve been thinking about this since getting your note -
[15:01:53] Pete Linden: it’s concerning if a misleading or inaccurate narrative has been presented as fact – I think we share your concern there, certainly
[15:03:31] Emiley Tomsen: I joined the League years after much of this happened, but I’ve read up on the history. And I know that we’ve helped the G-Team at the time with finding information. But despite what Ludlow says, LL never gave us game god powers or anything. Just took the information we found seriously.
[15:03:54] Pete Linden: that’s my understanding as well
[15:05:20] Pete Linden: So, generally when we see misleading or inaccurate info out there – e.g. a press story making claims about SL that aren’t true – we evalutate whether it might warrant a response from us based on a few factors
[15:06:29] Pete Linden: one thing we consider is how high-profile the piece is – has it reached a big audience, or will it?
[15:08:27] Pete Linden: we also think about what effect a response may have – i.e. will the inaccurate thing actually be corrected? will a response just make it a more compelling story and draw attention to it?
[15:09:12] Pete Linden: does that all make sense? (sorry, typing a lot it seems!)
[15:09:41] Emiley Tomsen: That’s a concern we share as well, Ludlow is really coming off as a crackpot in the story. So ignoring it may just let him be laughed off by his peers, although it bothered us that he is pushing this in the academic circles.
[15:10:35] Pete Linden: Yes, I agree
[15:11:59] Emiley Tomsen: That’s really the only reason we asked for a meeting, is he’s trying to take it mainstream. And is trying to turn this into a published book for sale.
[15:12:45] Pete Linden: Got it. For the time being, it doesn’t look like it’s gotten much attention though
[15:13:02] Emiley Tomsen: Only within his own group, so no real attention.
[15:14:22] Pete Linden: Right – I think for the time being, our best bet is to hold off on responding to the story, as doing so is unlikely to result in it being positively changed, and instead risks drawing more attention to it by making it seem more controversial/more compelling
[15:14:35] Emiley Tomsen: I would have to agree
[15:15:21] Pete Linden: That said, again, I really appreciate you bringing this to my attention, as we’ll want to see how it develops – there may come a point when it’s worth responding to
[15:17:13] Emiley Tomsen: You’re welcome of course, and I know the old days are gone, where our group and LL could work together better. Our impression is that your company is more restrictive now on how it interacts with groups, is there an official or even unofficial way to make sure we’re still operating well within the TOS?
[15:18:15] Pete Linden: I’m probably not the right person to speak to that, unfortunately – just the PR guy :/
[15:18:21] Emiley Tomsen: lol it’s ok
[15:18:43] Emiley Tomsen: Ok, we’re not looking for favors or anything. Just want to make sure we’re still kosher under the current rules and such, that’s all.
[15:20:26] Pete Linden: yep, understood
just not sure who might be an appropriate
[15:20:32] Emiley Tomsen: Alright
[15:21:48] Emiley Tomsen: Oh, I know my Editor would want me to ask this at least. The Herald has, uh, soft core porn, sort of. Nude images and such on its site, is that allowed under the Press Corps guidelines?
[15:23:36] Pete Linden: Hadn’t thought about it. The primary guideline for joining the press corps is related to adherence to our branding guidelines. It may be something we refine further in the future, though likely to be more inclusive rather than more exclusive
[15:23:52] Emiley Tomsen: Ah, ok.
[15:24:20] Pete Linden: and that’s *not* to say that those not yet in the press corps are in violation of our guidelines necessarily – just so I’m clear
[15:24:43] Emiley Tomsen: Yes I understand, just wanted clarification.
[15:26:08] Pete Linden: I’m afraid I should run – trying to cover off some things quickly before leaving the office for the weekend
[15:26:24] Pete Linden: Thanks again for the reaching out, and for taking the time to meet with me and have this off-the-record chat
[15:26:29] Emiley Tomsen: Anyway, as far as Ludlow and his paper. I’ll forward anything else we find on it, in case he does try to take it more mainstream. And thank you for taking time to talk to me.
[15:26:38] Pete Linden: Thanks – I’d appreciate that.
[15:26:58] Emiley Tomsen: Have a good day
[15:27:14] Pete Linden: you too!
Mocksoup Graves
Aug 27th, 2011
I used to consider the JLU a harmless group of slightly annoying dudes in superhero tights trying to help the G-Team by reporting griefers who were abusing other residents. An honorable, if misguided attempt at helping SL in general. However, in light of recent events and an ever mounting stack of evidence, I have come to the conclusion that the leadership has a tenuous grasp on reality, and a rapidly declining ethos. At best they are creepy and overreaching, and it seems to be at worse they are stalking and dangerous to people’s real lives. And at this point the latter seems more fitting for the group.
I believe that anyone with links to this group (Linden, Resident, otherwise) should denounce their activities publicly to avoid being further embroiled in this quagmire, before it’s too late.
Cathiee McMillan
Aug 27th, 2011
@ reader
I posted the blog someone else wrote about me.
It is a joke the point was none of the information is true.
Some people in SL know my real life idenity and they are the only ones i would trust after the years associating with them.
I was posting it to show anyone can say things about people for good or ill.
Its up to each of us to make our own minds up.
I Seriously blieve the JLU has no morals.
Their is a post in SLU where GLE says he has a throw away e-mail that he could use to Harrass a person. a 19 year old kid. And maybe his his parents or the dean of the school the kid goes to.
Thats a person with no morals.
THE JLU is NOT MY protector in SL or on the WEB.
Astolat Dufaux
Aug 27th, 2011
GLE, please remove my name from your list. I did not give you permission to post it.
GG3
Aug 27th, 2011
@Hobo Kelly
Emiley Tomsen is lying their butt off. Typical. Now their trying to use LL yet again for their schemes. Pfft, she’s talking about pr0n and SL is full of pr0n down to the eyeballs in Zindra.
The fact of the matter is that the JLU have been using Second-Life to cause negative impact on people’s real lives, by harassing them in the REAL world and using their SL information as a fork-load to intimidate/black-mail others into silence. What can LL not understand by this?
If this is the type of group LL supports, then i’ll GLADLY take my money elsewhere to a company that’s more responsible and up-keeping of their standards. None of this back-water nonsense. As expensive as it is paying for a tiny piece of private land, and as ragged as their customer service is, if LL is going to play backhand patty-cake with other self-promoted customers then I might as well take both my time and money elsewhere.
GG3
Aug 27th, 2011
It’s like getting sucker-punched with a black eye, then thrown to the hounds
Yep
Aug 27th, 2011
“[14:53:28] Pete Linden: Per my note, I appreciate this being off-the-record so that we can speak frankly about it.”
LOL and she posts it on the record anyhow.
This dimwit isn’t making any friends at LL.
Astolat Dufaux
Aug 28th, 2011
Just for the record, I have no affiliation with any griefer groups in SL, and I don’t condone griefing. Look up my profile and you’ll see I’m a long time resident and merchant. I’m a law abiding citizen by any and all definitions.
What I object to is that the JLU is doing the work that Linden Lab should be doing — policing the grid. And from the mounting evidence, members of the JLU are clearly abusing their position in that capacity.
AFAIK they have NOT been specifically vetted by the Lindens to police the gride. They have NOT been asked by the Lindens to collect personal, real life information on residents and keep it on an unsecure off-world database. The Lindens have NOT authorized them to contact SL residents in RL.
This is what I am concerned about. And in the remote chance that they *have* been vetted by the Lindens to do this, their gumshoeing is sloppy at best, criminal at worst.
It certainly makes me question whether I would continue to be a Second Life resident.
I intend to share my concerns with my friends and fellow merchants if this issue is not addressed.
Tracer Graves
Aug 28th, 2011
There is now a web petition for Second Life users concerned about the actions of JLU here:
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/stopjluillegalactivities/
Please spread the word about this, the more (genuine) signatures the better. Here is the text for those interested:
“The group “Justice League Unlimited” (JLU) within Second Life have been shown to be harvesting data of many Second Life users without consent. This data includes, but is not limited to IP addresses, e-mail addresses, real and fake chat logs, non-confirmed accusations, real life identities, employment information, school information, medical information, obituary references and more. This data tracking has lead to real life harassment and likely violates cyber laws in various states and countries.
There are multiple accounts of in-world stalking. Some of which have allegedly been perpetrated with a hacked viewer to override the privacy controls. JLU has utilized intimidation, “alt” accounts for the purpose of gathering information against targeted information, submitting fake chat logs in Abuse Reports, among other things. JLU members have also abused the “AR” system via “AR Parties” where multiple members would be tp’d in to Abuse Report a targeted Second Life User to get a quick ban. They have also been shown trying to solicit the assistance of Linden Lab staff to silence criticism against them. Members of JLU have stated they are working in conjunction with law enforcement agencies, such as Scotland Yard, without providing proof. It also is arguable that they are guilty of the misappropriate use of DC Comic copyrighted and trademarked materials.
Furthermore, they have allegedly utilized a scripted security device with alt recognition and appear to have some form of IP tracking involved being utilized, perhaps in conjunction with the SL group “**Police Department**” security trackers. Screen shots, database table rips and a list of over 5,800 Second Life users have been obtained from the illegal JLU Wiki page.
The signers of this petition ask ask that Linden Lab immediately investigate and, if warranted, take formal action against Justice League Unlimited, **Police Department** and the members implicated in the multiple leaks from their illegal wiki page for their potential ToS violations, and take steps to have the data collected by JLU and **Police Department** be deleted and made permanently unavailable.
Sincerely,
Second Life users”
Micaela Darkwatch
Aug 28th, 2011
Hey GLE! You forgot to add me to your list. Just because people are not posting a lot, doesn’t mean they aren’t vehemently against the JLU and their practices.
I am against you. I despise the JLU group. I despise the entire idea of gathering real life information on people on the computer *because of lolcubes*.
I’m disgusted with the thought of you having information on peoples friggin children, because you think you’re a super hero.
The thought of you calling Deadly sister as he lay dying and after he passed, made me sick. I don’t care what your professed purpose was.
You did it for the wiki, JLU, and most of all you did it for Kalel.
You did it for ego, power, and because of your real life lack of *something*.
Get the @#$% of the grid.
Dagooch
Aug 28th, 2011
I have no fondness for griefers but I will say this: at least they don’t hide behind being “the good guys” like these JLU pansies.
They remind me of the junior reserve police officers in the city I grew up in– full of shit and full of themselves.
Get a life. Playing Paul Blart online is not a life, kids.
Tux
Aug 28th, 2011
The JLU just dropped to 45. Loosing 2 members in addition to Baht.
http://world.secondlife.com/group/cc7d8ee6-cc07-8f11-193b-8544514143f3
GreenLantern Excelsior
Aug 28th, 2011
The people I listed as “anti-JLU” were those who posted “JLU sucks” type messages. The people I did not list as anti-JLU were those who posted only analyses of how things worked, or links to pertinent information, or lolcats. There are many posters in that thread, but not all of them posted in opposition.
Senban, you are probably listed as a “personage” because you write articles. I only checked 15 pages in that thread because I didn’t want to spend all day doing it. And the SLU membership numbers are right at the bottom of the main page. I didn’t say they were active members who participated in the thread, just total members.
Tracer, your petition is typical of the exaggeration and downright lying that you’ve done ever since I’ve known you.
Tracer Graves
Aug 28th, 2011
This stuff is all documented and I’m not the one getting caught in lies, GLE. I’m not the one who eagerly volunteered to RL harass and disclose information on a person because they were naughty on a video game. How old are you again, GLE? Cause dressing up in virtual tights pretending to be a superhero while breaking Terms of Service as well as cyber stalker laws isn’t exactly what grown-ups do.
Have a good life, pal.
Tux
Aug 28th, 2011
GLE, I am not anti-JLU, I am anti wiki. And in light of Joshua’s removal from the wiki, I would also like to be completely removed. Including information about my location, my children, my wife, my medical condition and my business.
As you can see from my private emails held there, I explicitly expressed that they not be included in the wiki.
I expect all entries removed including chat logs and any other pages which you may have. I expect proof of this by midday on Wednesday (GMT). I hope to god in another year if there is another leak neither Joshua or myself are included.
I also expect the JLU to contact Linden Lab and notify them of any fabricated information they have passed on. This includes the false hacking claim of July 10th, any claim I had to do with a DDOS attack, falsely imported chat logs to use as material for AR’s, etc etc.
I will post this on SLU to be sure it is in the public domain. It will also be sent directly to Kalel in Second Life.
Mocksoup Graves
Aug 28th, 2011
GLE: Tracer, your petition is typical of the exaggeration and downright lying that you’ve done ever since I’ve known you.
Ah, GLE- you are still just a Liar, Liar, pants on zFire.