Understanding the “Little Hitlers” of Second Life
by Pixeleen Mistral on 24/10/11 at 1:50 am
I’ve long wondered at the connection between Second Life’s endless supply of over-the-top drama and the strange psychology of certain players -- particularly those seriously invested in “defending” Linden Lab and “policing” the Second Life grid.
What is it about Second Life that attracts and retains obsessive-compulsive meta-gamerz who can’t keep their play inside the game?
Do large land tier payments to the Lab trump civil discourse even when Lab staff are swept up in an ugly cycle of Twitter/Google bombing payback as we saw with the LabRatuOut mess? After a concerted effort to attract the Lab’s attention to the recent excesses of the Justice League Unlimited, some of my friends in The Pink Hands faction are getting a bit cynical.
the Pink Hands faction is becoming cynical about Linden Lab
The golden rule seems to be in effect - those spending the virtual gold, rule. Perhaps Rod Humble is just hoping he can finish his new not-SL mobile-device-enabled game before the house of cards falls.
Meanwhile, consider notoriously toxic trolls such as Jumpman Lane, Kalel Venkman’s Justice League Unlimited vigilantes, or Prokofy Neva -- and the level of effort required to spend years tracking and data-mining other players or mounting an endless series of intensive blog, Twitter, and Google bombing campaigns designed to humiliate and destroy enemies.
Forgiveness and redemption seem to be alien concepts for some trolls upstanding Second Life residents, which implies a deep psychological need is being addressed. What exactly is going on?
A recent article in The Economist describing how “quite ordinary people will succumb to bad behaviour if the circumstances are right” may hold some answers.
According to the article, Nathanael Fast of the University of Southern California and colleagues at Northwestern and Stanford universities ran a series of experiments to see if social circumstances around power and status have the potential to create “little Hitlers” who annoy and frustrate others for their own gratification - or are certain individuals predisposed to this sort of behaviour simply gravitating into situations where they can behave badly?
The experiments randomly placed participants into one of 4 groups: high power/high status, low power/low status, low power/high status, and high power/low status. Participants were given the option of forcing other participants to perform humiliating actions -- or not.
Those in the low status/high power group chose significantly more demeaning tasks to impose onto other participants, while those in the other 3 groups did not exhibit this behaviour.
Does this mean that the more extreme guardians of Second Life feel they are in a position of low status in real life and are compensating by harassing and humiliating those within their reach?
If, as the study suggests, the combination of low status and high power is a recipe for trouble, I am beginning to think the celebrated free social media tools which empower those dedicated to cultivating their Internet notoriety may contain the seeds of their own destruction as the "little Hitlers" of the social media use their online power to trash everyone else.
Do you still want to play Web 2.0 after watching Jumpman Lane’s Twitter assault on Stroker Serpentine, LabRatuOut’s assault on Esbee Linden, or after following Prokofy Neva’s carefully crafted Google bombing attacks on all and sundry? How do you feel after learning that Kalel Venkman is still expanding and unsuccessfully attempting to secure his Brainiac wiki data mine?
Is this the sort of game you want to play?
Gundel Gaukelei
Oct 24th, 2011
Isn’t it funny that this article is talking about Hitler, when the way it’s blatant propaganda reminds me of Goebbels?
Baloo Uriza
Oct 24th, 2011
Hah, Prok tried to pull that against me. Didn’t work.
Dave Bell
Oct 24th, 2011
That’s an interesting application of the experimental results. I’d also suggest that the low-status types may feel that they have nothing to lose. There’s certainly things I would do in SL that I wouldn’t try in RL, because the failure penalty is different. But also, my reputation matters to me, and that does not, I think, depend on my status.
Is that last unimportant?
James Doe
Oct 24th, 2011
@Pixeleen Mistral
Well you then missed Joshua Nightshade as a little hitler as well. You have seen his assults on people for years in many forums. He loves to trash people just as much as Prokofy Neva, Jumpman Lane or collecting information on people just like Kalel Venkman.
So please its just not three people. Its a collection of so called original players of second life.
Please explain to me Why you don’t list the WH or Woodbury as part of this group either? Lets go back to the IFT sci-fi con of 2011 where Tux came to the con with his friends. Placed a sign over the JLU sign. Then Tux and them had a run in with the head of the Con as well as the JLU Then his buddies decided to grief other booths by placing x-rated pictures in the pg sims of the con on other peoples booths who were not even involved in the JLU battle. Robble was one of those people. But they would like to tell you that they never did it. This is a flat out lie. I was there at a booth that was attacked by Robble. So these members of the Pink Hands have not changed they still continue to grief peoples lives. When you have Robble and Tux in it and have griefed people around July of this year the Pink Hands wonder why they get labeled as griefers? Please they don’t know they whole truth do they. Oh yea Tux and Robble will cry they were victims. Why did they go and place a sign over the JLU oh yea it was a joke designed to instigate. You are purposely going out to harass the JLU and bringing your little war to people who could careless and only become victims of your griefing. So forcing them to accept the help of the JLU you do this to yourselves. And will continue too.
Now watch in here they will scream and yell they didn’t do it. But many of us who were around the con saw it happen. These are the people who decided to grief a lot of innocent people at the con because of their beef with the JLU.
JD
hobo kelly
Oct 24th, 2011
Sieg Heil mien Fuhrer !! Sieg Heil !! Das wunderwaffen is within our reach !!
Perhaps there is a physical relationship between Status and Power that occurs naturally in nature where quantities of one can be transmuted into quantities of the other, minus efficiency losses as heat into the background ambience. This would be similar to the relationship where Electron Flow produces Magnetism, and Magnetism produces Electron Flow, and also similar to the relationship in nature where Energy can produce Mass, and Mass can produce Energy. Each with conversion losses out of the system to heat. This would imply however that as the Energy / Mass oscillation continues to run, eventually it will have depleted its little hyperspace bubble through the laws of thermodynamics and the whole system will disappear into the background radiation. UNLESS… heat can be put back into the system by stealing it from another system.
If you where to try to apply this to Second Life Social Climber Swamp Donkeys it may mean that the Swamp Donkey realizes early on that their behaviour of converting Power into Status will eventually kill them, so like a disease, they begin to quietly suck the Power out of other Residents, like a Psychic Vampire, to use for conversion into increasing their own Status.
What if another system called Woodbury came along and realized years in advance everything we are talking about here today? What if this Woodbury system decided to try to protect other systems (players) from falling prey to the Swamp Doggies of the world by feeding their own Power into the Status hungry Swamp Doggies thereby stemming the flow of Power theft from the innocent, but eventually depleting their own Status?
Maybe then this Woodbury system after doing calibrations based on observed results realize that not only can the innocent population be spared the draining effect ot the Swamp Donkeys with this injection of their Power which the Swamp Donkey then converts to Status, they realize that as Status grows too strong compared to the systems actual Power (tempest in a tea pot syndrome) the system begins to become unstable and whole damned ungodly Swamp Donkey will explode if enough power is pumped in faster than the Swamp Donkey can regulate it…
Get-A-Grip
Oct 24th, 2011
Hmmmm well after many years in Secondlife I have seen this happen over and over again. Pityous people that have so little enjoyment in real life that these games become their total existence and reason to live. It gives them a stage where they can make up for their precived lack of worth in real life, be it power or just a tremendous NEED to bolster their self esteem by lording over others, or making others miserable as they are. Whether it be misery loves company or because it bolsters their self worth to belittle others. Either way it points towards a sadly lacking real life and underline psychological problems. I truly think they need mental help. Some are even lucky enough to live close to places that help is available.
If real life is happy then SL is fun and you KNOW it is just a game and your real life does not depend on who you can FEEL above in a game.
I am reminded of another study wherthereer was a guy in one room hooked up to electrodes and people were given the option to anonymously zap the guy, it showed much the same results as the study Pix mentioned as to who zapped the guy and who walked out with out inflicting pain on the person. Some people need to hurt/control others to make themselves feel worthwhile. Sad fact of life and these ‘games’ seem to let these sad people regain some modicum of esteem by being able to more or less bully people so they can feel better about WHO they are in RL. and it works for them so they forget it’s a GAME and it replaces there REAL life which is so rotten they almost psyically NEED the game it is the only life that they have control of there real life is so out of control. The same sort of needs drive people to horrendous crimes in real life so maybe it is a good thing that these sad folks are able exercise there need to control others in SL, saving RL from crimes that people that have no control in life are prone to commit crimes where they inflict pain, kill and rape to satisfy their need to control others. So it may keep nuts like the JLU from inflicting their sickness on others in RL…
Anyway just some observations of one with no dog if the fight…
BTW To those involved in the ‘good fight’ to keep these control freeks hopping KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK it be a dirty job but thank you for doing it! Pople need to have a sense of humor and not take SL so bloody seriously! It IS a game HAVE FUN.
paul
Oct 24th, 2011
yeah SL is the ultimate small pond full of silly big fish. But James Doe is right…. don’t forget to include those pathetically self righteous griefers to this pool as well.
Tux
Oct 24th, 2011
I believe, and always have, that these types of social games provide the little man with a sense of empowerment. You see, they build their little castle (their home) and go to war from there. Because they sit in the chair they bought, in their own house, they feel safe. Since BTI (before the internet) people just like this have acted like drunks, having their morals and boundaries dulled when behind a keyboard. This behaviour becomes even more common where a platform allows them to gain a foothold against their opponent. Social platforms are awash with outspoken people who would, in the real world, be shy and irrelevant.
As children accept this as the norm, as you adults this behaviour passes to their real lives. They believe they are empowered. Right now we see the once loved cartoon characters progressing through a gaming platform, now forming groups of twisted net junkies using the new found security of their computer stations to try to manipulate peoples real lives because of their actions in a game. These net junkies believe they have the right to dictate how people should play the game, while its creators are not interested. So of these people actually allow this delusion to enter their own real life, they buy costumes and patrol the street. They take the law into their own hands. To the point of breaking their countries laws!
It used to be the big children in the school would be the bullies. Now that has changed. Now the big children are picked on, not by the little children, but by those once little children who was the victims. The ones who have grown with that seed of revenge inside them. Now the middle aged victims have a revenge platform, and they are using it. They seek each other out. Cluster together and plot the demise of the children of their bullies.
It is not vigilantism, it is simply revenge. They dare not address anyone their equal, they attempt to manipulate the lives of the young. Our future thinkers.
There is a shining light, the net junkies victims, whilst constantly harassed and stalked, learn quickly. They develop abilities beyond the imaginations of the net junkie, who is bound by the tools he finds. The victims make the tools, manipulate the rules. As the stalked learn and progress in knowledge they become ideal candidates for employment by the creators of the very same platform they are being abused on. Or to create the next platform.
@ JD
Your accusations are unfound. Provide a single piece of evidence Robble or I did any of the things you accuse us of.
James Doe
Oct 24th, 2011
@Tux,
You have a picture on your own blog with the words over the JLU booth location TUX is coming. Then the people who removed you all from the con listed the names of all the people who they found were doing the griefing. So it’s not false. But you would like people to believe it was all a big coincident and that you all were not responsible for the griefing of many of the booths at the con that it just happened after your confrontation with the JLU and IFT security. A Trek booth was griefed, a Battlestar Galactica Booth was griefed, Dark Eden Role-play booth was griefed and many others. And one of the people evicted was one of Robbles alts. I will have to dig up the notecard the ift sent to everyone who owned a booth at the con of the offenders they banned from the sim.
We have never had issues in the past with the level of griefing you all brought to the con.
Stop playing innocent, you went to the con to provoke a confrontation just as the Tizzers purposely put the Bronnies booth next to the JLU. It was done to start something.
You all can not leave them be either. So its your little griefing war with them that you all decide to bring others into it.
What about the pictures with you all placing a object that looks like a penis in front of Kalel and you all took pictures. You all can not leave them alone either.
It goes both ways you want them to stop, but you all can’t stop either.
Tux
Oct 24th, 2011
JD, I wasn’t removed? Right at the end, after the convention was finished, I left my AV there while in a skype call with GLE. I guess my long period of inactivity made them nervous and they did try to eject me.
But your accusations are unfounded. I enjoyed the event very much, I successfully collected all the tardis hunt objects.
FYI taking pictures is not an admission of guilt. Otherwise everyone sending an AR would be guilty too right?
I don’t see why I should not attend an event which interests me, after all that is what they are there for. Is there any reason you can suggest why I should be excluded?
Jumpman Lane
Oct 24th, 2011
then quit pix! hehehehe I’ll have one of my pals edit the herald for Uri!
c3
Oct 24th, 2011
“the only way to win is not to play the game.”
Wargames..1982.
another “new” bit of insight? ,,. snore.
Reader
Oct 24th, 2011
A truly butthurt article to be sure. Pix, how many more years until you turn 60?
Senban Babii
Oct 24th, 2011
Oh hey! That’s me! Over there on the far left of the picture
@c3
““the only way to win is not to play the game.”
Ahem, if you’re going to go around quoting the greatest movie ever made, at least get it right.
“A strange game. The only winning move is not to play”.
3.18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHWjlCaIrQo
And WarGames was released in 1983, not 1982.
paul
Oct 24th, 2011
lol Tux you are a piece of work… and you demonstrate clearly the ‘big fish in a little pond’ mentality that this article describes.
go ahead…tell us how innocent you are some more, my coffee break is not over yet.
Tux
Oct 24th, 2011
@ Jumpy: I hope your ‘pals’ are better than you at stringing sentences together.
@ c3: What Senban said.
@ paul: Lol, you think?
Urizenus Sklar
Oct 24th, 2011
Jumpman says: “then quit pix! hehehehe I’ll have one of my pals edit the herald for Uri!”
Please no. Anything but that…
Senban Babii
Oct 24th, 2011
@Paul
“and you demonstrate clearly the ‘big fish in a little pond’ mentality that this article describes.”
Actually that’s not what the article is describing at all.
What Pix is describing (I believe) is a mechanism by which people with low self esteem, low life value and low social position are creating compensatory mechanisms so as to give themselves a sense of esteem, life value and social position, even if temporary and fleeting. The ‘big fish in a little pond mentality’ is something else entirely.
You only have to read the chatlogs released from the latest JLU wiki thing to realise the truth of this. While there may be some JLU who believe they are trying to help fellow residents, the truth is that all they are doing is feeding Kalel’s compensation mechanisms. And the reality that we’ve seen is that he will attack anyone who attempts to take away those compensation mechanisms because in effect they are attempting to take away his psychological support framework. That’s why the JLU’s actions can be seen as harassment. Kalel will attack anyone who threatens his self-created power and will even turn against JLU members who question his actions.
Glenn Beck
Oct 24th, 2011
You know who else wore pink?
…Hitler.
paul
Oct 24th, 2011
I agree Senban… I am sure reading the JLU’s logs would show just that. But, reading the SLU lynch mob posts and reading the words of apologists for griefers like you see in here as exemplified by Tux also demonstrates the same point, or the words of intelligent but hyper obsessive people like jumpman or prok who seemingly have nothing better to do then scream for our collective attention.
paul
Oct 24th, 2011
..and, this goes to another point: there is a cadre of pre-2007 avatars that thinks that SL is still in 2004 and 2005 and that their own little dramas actually are significant to the larger world of SL..and they aren’t. This includes jumpman, prok, Kalol, and, from what I can see here, Intlibber and Tuks. It does not work to answer my criticism by telling me how bad the JLU is. I believe you. And I don’t care. Just call the police if they violated the law at your expense. To me, Kalol is just another example of someone, like Intlibber and the others, who needs a little fresh air and perspective. I marvel at what they all consider time well spent and a job well done. Posting prono pictures on some poor Trekkie’s booth at a convention? Wow Tux, your children must be proud.
Reader
Oct 24th, 2011
Paul, Tux has nothing else, so you don’t need to ask him to pour out more nonsense, he gives willingly wihtout prompting. It’s all he has.
Piece of work is definitely an understatement.
He’s the poster child of “Web’d mental illness”. Plain and simple.
And as a side note, the entire SLU, JLU, pink idiots dramafest went down in flames weeks ago. It’s a lost cause with only one redeeming value – it revealed the idiots. All of them.
Jumpman Lane
Oct 24th, 2011
Stroker had it comin! And for the rest of you saps, I’ll tell ya what I told him: yall r pikers for sure; but WE are after one thing and one thing only-POWAH! And. We. Mean. Biness!
Hehehe!
Jumpy stay Jay walkin! Two Threes on his feet! Mess around & get a jumpman & a Nike swoosh stomped dead in ya a$$! CAWS JUMPY GOT THE OL’ SCHOOLS ON!
lolol
Oct 24th, 2011
James Doe
Oct 24th, 2011
@Pixeleen Mistral
Well you then missed Joshua Nightshade as a little hitler as well. You have seen his assults on people for years in many forums.
LOL! Aint that the truth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ9AC7GH9Sc
hobo kelly
Oct 24th, 2011
One important thing we have to remember about this Status versus Power experiment was that the players were sorted into the 4 catagories randomly. That means that regardless of what kind of person they were in Real Life, once they were put into this new virtual space where they had Low Status and High Power they started to use that Power to the detriment of those around them.
That means that Second Life, where initially you have no status being a dumb noob but you aquire lots of power by purchasing lots of land, will SPROING anybodys head and could probably turn anybody into a megalomaniacal toxic troll regardless of what they were like in real life. Thats what the experiment means: SL is toxic all by its lonesome.
So why doesn’t everybody in SL turn into a full-on Toxic Troll like Prokofy Neva or Kalolcakes Venkman? Why do most people in SL just become junior Toxic Trolls? Pixeleen posits the possibility that a Real Life low status situation when coupled with the SL low status situation really brings out thier acidic nature:
“Does this mean that the more extreme guardians of Second Life feel they are in a position of low status in real life and are compensating by harassing and humiliating those within their reach?”
None of this explains why I kinda like Jumpy though…
paul
Oct 24th, 2011
hobo you bring up at least one point that I think has been understated: In SL you can basically ‘buy’ power by slapping down some cash. Add to that the basic lack of accountability, and that is another reason why the place is lousy with petty dictators who are legends in their own mind.
Bunjie
Oct 24th, 2011
@Reader
I sense a small bit of jealously there eh? what are you low power/low status? round about my level? though I can understand this “Little Hitler” syndrome from the personal exuberance I pump into an issue but I still would have told Philip to fuck off to his face and not just over twitter, after the decisions he made or lack thereof I’m not one to confine being vocal to a social media avenue, though I have no face to face outlet with him to punch ticket unlike Prokofy and Kalel Venkman, unfortunately money does talk and that’s all a corporation & Philip cares about.
If we’re talking about bullies well that is something I can also understand but you fail to factor in that some people only understand a good boot to the head, or having their car tires slashed and the message gets through when before it was a case of them feeling their status put them in a position of immunity, free to fuck over and do over who ever they want which is pretty much the same thing money does it corrupts along side the false and fleeting power it brings.
A weak person with money can be far more destructive than a person from a social class that grew up around money and status.
Just look at inner city wannabe gangstas who have nothing, then have everything from selling drugs, how many of those invest that money in less than more guns and more destruction of their neighborhoods? gangs in the past used to be for protecting those neighborhoods. Just look at the most recent drugs extradition the Jamaican drug lord Christopher ‘Dudus’ Coke.
That neighborhood fought to keep him from being arrested, why? because he took care of it, he brought more employment, stability and investment that then politicians and anyone doing legitimate business and even though his primary business was selling coke no one cared, that demand was generated by the US not by him he just took an opportunity to fill that need and re invested it in the poor neighborhoods surrounding.
Though I don’t agree with selling drugs as a good way to improve your neighborhood, his country is a world away destroyed by independence from the commonwealth. As if you’ve seen the documentaries over 80% of residents would have preferred to have stayed under commonwealth rule, as the politicians as always good greedy and just look out for themselves.
@c3 “the only way to win is not to play the game.”
The reality of Second Life which is a social / what ever YOU want it to be simulation is not confined to one set of game rules, that movie is simply about first strike / second strike and what you suggest by painting the issue as relevant to this simulation is that everyone should play by the same rules that Prokofy and Kalel define regardless of the fact that WE ARE playing by Linden Labs rules and it’s Prokofy and others who side step them in order to get what you suggest is a “first strike”.
I suppose you would also suggest we just leave, forget OUR dreams and what they could have been and what we could have experienced, to let Prokofy and Kalel have free rain to run this virtual world into the ground by how they envision it, which will only end up either like Kalels National Socialism band camp, where you do what he says of you GTFO by force or Prokofys communism that she pretends to hate but really wish she could be the “dictator of Second Life” or why else would such a woman with such hate and distinctive vocal behavior have an account called “Dear Leader”?
And not to forget one side “Prokofy/Kalel/JLU/Joshua” is always playing and bombarding the other with nukes regardless of anyone else trying to abide by the rules Linden Lab set forth.
GG3
Oct 24th, 2011
There was a cartoon called “SatAM”. In the cartoon were the freedom-fighters, the other was a self-proclaimed king called “Dr. Robotnik” and his sidekick, Snively.
Dr. Robotnik attempted to take over Mobius with his SWATbots, turning the citizens of mobian into a kingdom of cold steel, and harsh control. He also invented a contraption called “Roboticizer”, robbing the individual of free will/thought, their freedom.
Who would have known SL to harbor these very Robotniks and Snivelys who have taken avatars to real-life proportions?
GG3
Oct 24th, 2011
I see 3 Snively’s jumping on Tux.
3 vs 1? Really, now.
Bunjie
Oct 24th, 2011
I did not make a mistake other than the spelling mistakes because I don’t class Second Life as a game, though Judging by the lack of enforcement of Linden Labs TOS in general they’re almost no longer relevant today.
Even though one side US is playing by them and the other is attempting everything they can to avoid them or get round them or even go against them, I can only say the true good is confined to one set of game rules that we imagine have relevance but really they don’t.
So in conclusion we’re not playing by one set of game rules, dictated by Prokofy or Kalel, even though a fluid set exist by Linden Labs terms they’re almost never enforced unless Kalel ar party’s you.. and by definition we’re not playing by the same rules and or “this simulation is not confined to one set of game rules” as enforcement is pick and mix based on many factors.
paul
Oct 24th, 2011
lol GG3 are you saying that this forum is short on griefer sycophants???
GG3
Oct 24th, 2011
@Paul
Admitting to being a snively? Lol
Sycophants is a word used for accusations but no evidence. Clearly though, there has been plenty of evidence from the JLU wiki’s, yes?
paul
Oct 24th, 2011
There is evidence that a handful of oldbies on both sides (well three sides if you include Prok) are completely obsessed with each other in the most unhealthy ways for no particular good reason. /me shrugs
look up ‘sycophant’ in the dictionary, I think you missed the meaning of the word. But I can restate my implication if you missed it the first time: I found it ironic and somewhat amusing that you would imply that we were ganging up Tux when this site and the SLU are loaded with griefer apologists. Heck, all you need to do is disagree with intlibber or Tux in these comments and you get accused of being Prok or Kalel.
Jumpman Lane
Oct 24th, 2011
I unno it ain’t griefin if they don’t grieve! I unno I’m jus’ a Lane! But last time I checked I was The Man on this grid!
We done did a lotta thangs, but one thang we ain’t done did was read The Economist hehehe!
Bow down to a true pimp!
Jumpy ya Kang is here!
Yung Puddin Tane!
One Jump Lane!
The King of Second Life!
I unno, I DO cut a bit of the Bella Figura! So much so y’all wondering who I’m is & where I’m from! Pychologizing like dead doc freud! I get it! That’s caws as a noob, I was playin 2 a gallery of kangs all up inside my own head!
Hehehe
Tux
Oct 24th, 2011
@ paul
Sycophant: a person who uses flattery to win favour from individuals wielding influence.
I fail to see your point.
3 vs 1? Is that all? Times must be slow, normally the pack mentality comes into play. Oh but this isn’t a game of second life, there can be no AR party here. Seriously though, keep going, you may make some point, eventually.
Jumpman Lane
Oct 24th, 2011
We can do wtf we want to in second life? Can YOU? Hehehe! I’d be butthurt & cynical like them dudes in them pank clad girl Avis too!
Hehehe
It ain’t griefin if they don’t grieve!
paul
Oct 24th, 2011
@tux. Yes that is the definition, so now does a sycophant need evidence.
My point? haven’t I said it already? My point is that your claims of innocence ring completely hollow, that you are a good example of how self absorbed and in need of fresh air and perspective alot of you oldbies are, and that you, intlibber, prok, jumpman, and Kalel really might consider taking a Yoga class, taking up fly fishing, or doing something new with your lives, as this legend-in-your-own mind stuff is wearing out badly.
GG3
Oct 24th, 2011
@Paul
Roots back to the Greek word “sukophantēs”
Or the Latin “sȳcophanta”
Marvelous on what suffixes and prefixes originate to.
Tux
Oct 24th, 2011
@ paul
‘My point? haven’t I said it already? My point is that your claims of innocence ring completely hollow’
Yet still there is no evidence, lol.
‘that you are a good example of how self absorbed and in need of fresh air and perspective alot of you oldbies are, and that you, intlibber, prok, jumpman, and Kalel really might consider taking a Yoga class, taking up fly fishing, or doing something new with your lives’
I don’t categorise myself with those you mention. Firstly I have not gambled my livelihood or reputation on a game. And secondly, Second Life is just that, a game. Tux is an ’07 account, hardly an oldbie. I certainly wouldn’t say I am absorbed, I just enjoy getting you and your ilk excited.
As for your suggestions, had the JLU’s information been correct, you would realise they wouldn’t suit me. Still, thanks for your concern, I will of course continue to do what I enjoy though.
‘as this legend-in-your-own mind stuff is wearing out badly.’
You see this is your problem, I don’t see myself (or my game character) as a legend, or even special. Tux was my second major character made to play an online game. He is, for all intents and purposes, dead. One day he may come back but I doubt it. So what makes a legend? The people how continue to tell tales of his life right? Like the way he is described as a griefer, the paranoia found in the JLU’s leaky wiki, etc etc. Tux’s reputation has been built on lies and fantasies, and all by those who dislike him. The only thing I am guilty of is not correcting them. Those people you compared me to, with the exception of Intlibber, are the ones continuing the legend. Preach to them.
Robble Rubble
Oct 24th, 2011
@James Doe
The only thing I did at the sci fi con was select all movable objects that the jlu had rezzed on their parcel then sent them to 4000 meters. Didn’t go around griefing the other parcels like you are carrying on about. I may be some loathsome griefer but I’m not a liar and I refuse to take credit for other’s work.
CheerGirl Allen
Oct 25th, 2011
I am in Awe that my Silly tagline “beware of the pink hands” over at SLU has turned into a group of avatars that are so called griefers! Creating The Pink Hands group is by far the biggest Lulz I ever got on SL for 100$L
Dasta
Oct 25th, 2011
A friend of mine sent me this link and said, i’d laugh myself silly at you all and she was right.
Hi Power and Low Status – that pretty much sums up most who play SL. I’m sure some of you are pretty normal folks but most of you are seriously funny in how self important you all think you are.
LMAO and ‘da kang’ – dude get you’re finger out of your ass, masturbating in front of a computer is not sex. Anyplace that was a true challenge would mean that you’d get owned!
Have fun kids! If this is what it takes to make your meaningless lives seem less doomed, go for it, it might keep one less screwball off the streets.
James Doe
Oct 25th, 2011
Robble,
So you just Griefed the JLU?
So basically you just admitted you can’t leave them alone.
Why go their and start trouble with them?
James Doe
Oct 25th, 2011
@Tux,
I am never said you can not come to the event. But when you or your friends purposely grief then you should be removed.
Yes you took the picture but obviously you knew who placed that sign over the JLU parcel so did the cons organizers. I could careless that you collected all the tardis objects. Your friends purposely provoked the JLU and the Con people. Then you friends griefed other booths for no other reason except to grief.
Ok so i was wrong about Robble name being in it. But others were of your WH crew.
Honestly you all will be banned and re-banned and keep coming to sl because you have nothing else better to do except instigate and grief. Because as you all have said its just a game to you all.
Well go grief WOW or City of Heroes.
You all know Second life will not change so why keep coming back and complaining?
Paul
Oct 25th, 2011
@ Tux
“No evidence” Since when in any of these discussions is there ANY evidence? if there were, the JLU would be banned and under a criminal investigation. What I have stated is my opinion. You and your ‘ilk’ announced to the rest of us that the JLU were bad guys and we should be upset. I read everything you and your ‘ilk’ had to say, and i think you are full of sh*t.
“you don’t categorize yourself with the others” so? I said that I categorized you with the others…it doesn’t matter how YOU categorize yourself… based on what you post, there is little difference between you, intlibber, jumpman, kalel, or prok. It is the equivalent of “tastes great’ vs. ‘less filling.’ (sorry..does that allusion make sense across the pond?)
“you don’t see yourself as having a legend in your own mind” yeah yeah I am sure you don’t. However, once again, I am telling you what I think based on your endless public statements. You love the attention!
“Those people you compared me to, with the exception of Intlibber, are the ones continuing the legend. Preach to them.” LOL I get it… you are the only one among your ‘ilk’ that has behaved impeccably. Got it.
lol being lumped with Intlibber really gets your goat, doesn’t it? I don’t blame you.
James Doe
Oct 25th, 2011
Con Report from IFT group
name of offenders
Aposiopesis Resident
Atlas Saintlouis
killua Resident
Kizoku Chronowire
samirasamira Resident
Sir James Korpov XVIII “economic.engineer”
Twinkie Swizzle,
Tux Winkler
Utopian Ghost
Xyz Wyx
Reader
Oct 25th, 2011
James, you WIN the trophy for best ass-kickin, take no prisoner approach this week, hands-down.
“You all know Second life will not change so why keep coming back and complaining?”
That one question says it all. And the simple answer is this (although none of the usual suspects will respond in a simple fashion – much less answer the question truthfully…) – - This is all they have and they are in complete denial of their own misguided “Web’d Mental illness”. They grief because at the end of the day (no matter which time zone they are in) they are simply griefers. Period
Adolphina
Oct 25th, 2011
Remember the Stanford Prison experiment?
“If you want to know a person, give them a mask.” I’m not sure where I heard that, but it is remarkably true.
Get mad, get even? Why? I just like to get away from unpleasantness directed at me, however I love all the drama around me. All the people melting down, the vigilant as well as the villains – it’s all a show. The welcome centers are fun, the ‘griefers’. I mean, what do they do? A few prims flying around – oh right, like that hurts. SL may not be a game, per se, but many of the elements are just that – a game.
I’ve had ppl come onto my sim and max it with prims, or unwanted combat or, heaven forbid! Vampires! I just ‘shoo’ them out, and clean up the mess.
In SL I am immortal, as I cannot be killed, and invulnerable, in that I cannot be meaningfully harmed. I may be offline for months or be on daily. Whoopee. Now: lunch!
James Doe
Oct 25th, 2011
Honestly I think these griefers who have been kicked and banned number of times are all upset because the get out griefed by a bunch of spandex wanna be superheros. When they are suppose to be so much better at griefing others. They have had their pride and ego smashed by a man in tights, over and over again.
James Doe
Oct 25th, 2011
Honestly I think these griefers who have been kicked and banned number of times, are all upset because they get out griefed by a bunch of spandex wanna be superheros. When they are suppose to be so much better at griefing others since they view it as a game. They have had their pride and ego smashed by a man in tights, over and over again. So they keep coming back or they would rather try to bash them in the internet and on the web in hopes that DC Comics and Marvel Studios will file a DMCA on them.
They can’t win against them in Second Life so they have to try some other way.
JD
(double posted because i hit leave comment to soon)