The Alphaville Herald

107 Responses to “Nanao Mahfouz Ejected From Alliance Navy!!!”

1. 

   Karlhockey Forte
   

   Jul 18th, 2008
   

   lol at ex-AN.

   Just lol.

   Question, why the hell would we make a fight “fair”. War isn’t fair. One side wins, and the other side gets decimated. Deal with it. Recruit more people. Make the AN a group someone would actually desire to be in. Otherwise stop bashing people and not expect to be completely destroyed when we come to steamroll you.
2. 

   Ethan Schuman
   

   Jul 19th, 2008
   

   Oh wow, this Ex-AN joker is full of laughs. How kind of him to offer yet another chance to amuse myself.

   “yea and have someone as vindictive as Ethan have anymore details? right I really don’t want to have to get an alt.”
   -So let me get this straight… if I’m reading this correctly, you don’t want to post under your real identity because you’re afraid of me? BWAHAHAHAHA. Thanks for the ego boost, chump, but I have to ask you this: What am I gonna do, huh? Am I going to kick down your door in the middle of the night and stab you in the face with Kekken’s beak while you sleep? Am I going to buy your neighbor’s house and hold daily parties for overweight nudists in the front yard? Am I going to come have sex with your mother, girlfriend, and sister at the same time? Actually, scratch that last one. I might just do that. But still, what am I gonna do? If you really are afraid of me, that’s pretty damn sad. However, my theory is that you don’t want to post your main because you don’t want the sheer stupidity of your main identity to be linked to your complete inability to keep your footing in an argument.

   “Ethan claims he helped turn emit time into a furry deathcamp, why? because some stupid he said this and someone else said that? come on you would never be able to prove one way or another what really happen so of course the AN didn’t do anything.”
   -Nice try, but you might want to check your facts there. I orchestrated the greatest humiliation the AN has ever endured because one of their admirals thought it’d be funny to slander my name by willingly spreading to everyone and their mother that I did something which I did not. Now, the key to this is to recognize that I always own up to what I do. However, this was something that I did not do, and that Harlequin KNEW I didn’t do. He started spreading that rumor because I stabbed him in the face (with a knife, not Kekken’s beak) and he got pissy about it and wasn’t content merely to just ban me. When I found out he was saying what he was, I told him outright to stop. His exact response was as follows: “Well, you can’t prove you DIDN’T do that, so I’m going to continue to say that you did.” I then went to AN’s JAG and filed a complaint. Nothing happened. Getting frustrated, I went straight to Jim and told him what was going on. Jim’s response was that he couldn’t (or wouldn’t) control Harlequin. When I told Jim there would be consequences, he laughed. So since the command staff of the Alliance Navy seemed to think this matter was so comical, I decided to show them my own sense of humor. I’m sure they were laughing quite hard, until they saw their objects begin to return to their inventories. It probably wasn’t so funny anymore when the people they’d laughed at (Emit Time was a collaboration) decided to strike back and get a laugh of their own. To this day, most of us involved have yet to receive an apology for what happened to cause Emit Time, yet the Alliance Navy still is adamant that we apologize. While I do regret that Emit Time caused trauma to innocent members of the AN, I’m still not sorry about it, and still think it was funny as hell, especially when the /b/tards showed up. I can still remember logging into a capped IM window with “OMFG what did you do?!”, warping over to Emit Time, and seeing a giant oven with a pot of floating furry parts in it. God that was funny. But that’s enough history for now.

   “Much less Ethan is a disgraced reject of the Early AN when people like shadow, lief (or was it mief) ran divisions. the AN requires hard evidence that one of it’s members have done something before it will act.”
   -Yet again your lack of knowledge regarding history only serves to give me more ways to smash your face into a wall. I was a member of the Alliance Navy’s Fleet (commanded by Cirius Montale) alongside Avil Creeggan for roughly two months, if that. The reason why I joined, and the reason I got kicked, was because I joined to help identify AN spies within the group so they could be dealt with, as well as gather information on the AN’s new technology, specifically Mazer Ludd’s battleship, The Persistence of Memory. When the rebellion occurred and Aryte was on vacation, I dropped my cover to bring my officer rank in to help put down the rebellion. At this point, the Alliance Navy knew by my own admission that I was a spy. Yet nothing happened, not yet. I was accepted, and allowed to stay with the AN. It was not until Harlequin returned from vacation a good while later that I made a remark to something he said in group chat that he went “OMFG SPY SPY COURT MARTIAL!”. The actual court martial was downright hysterical, especially with the whole “Yes, I did this. Why are we having this circus? Just kick me already.” Watching officers that would later defect to Ordo run in on alts with primcocks attached to every spot on their body was entertaining, however. Probably the greatest irony of all came at the end though, when I was ejected (not executed though) and forbidden from ever rejoining. Harlequin made a special request that I be allowed to return in the future, but Nanao denied it.

   “I’m kind of sure I stated that I have a job, I can’t sit on the PC all day playing war all the time that’s why I’m not a member anymore, but that doesn’t mean I’m not still on good terms with the AN and updated on it’s events.”
   -Good 4 u. *golfclap*

   “so call me a pussy or what have you but the little time I have in SL I don’t want Ethan or some jackass breathing down my neck when I just want to have some fun.”
   -Yes, because as 99% of the AN will tell you, I’m constantly in IM windows with them telling them in no uncertain terms why they’ll burn in hell for being in the AN. Just like you, I have my real life to take care of, as well as freelance scripting in game. Trust me, if you’re afraid of the THOUGHT of me coming after you, you’re probably too worthless and pathetic for me to waste my time on.

   Oh, and Zrazor? As surprised as I am that a member of Vanguard actually knows how to read, let alone knows who Ayn Rand is and has actually read her writings to draw comparisons, I’ll engage this briefly. Regarding racism, Ayn Rand said the following (sourced from Wikipedia as I can’t be assed to go dig through my personal library for something argument worthy):

   “Racism is the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism … [the notion] that a man is to be judged, not by his own character and actions, but by the characters and actions of a collective of ancestors.”
   “Private racism is not a legal, but a moral issue—and can be fought only by private means, such as economic boycott or social ostracism.”

   Given the mindset of the average Vanguard soldier, which I can only assume by your membership and rank that you embrace with open arms, I can see quite easily why you would disapprove of her writings, as well as mine. I’ll take it as a compliment. Kudos to you for figuring out where I got the idea to blockade Vanguard, though. Tell the snowmew I said hi.
3. 

   Cyanide Leviathan
   

   Jul 19th, 2008
   

   “O and also, Merczs and Ordo never attack bases with one person at them. That is just unfair and we don’t do it. there has to be at least 4 or 5 guys on a base before anyone attacks them.”

   So attacking a base manned by 5 people with 30 gwunts, meaning 5-to-1 odds, that’s fair, eh Eye?

   I’m sure Bruno would beg to differ.
4. 

   Salone Runo
   

   Jul 19th, 2008
   

   I’ve heard Vanguard is pretty ballin.

   :O
5. 

   Salone Runo
   

   Jul 19th, 2008
   

   Seriously.. All this talking and shit bla bla bla.. There have been many invitations for militaries to come to the home of Vanguard.. And yet those are unanswered.

   Don’t start disrespecting a military you don’t know much about plez.

   Keep the topic on AN and cut the shit with VG.

   srsleh.. Each Officer and higher are in their position for a reason. If someone wants to act like an idiot.. They can stick to being enlisted. But will not be promoted into our higher ranks unless Kommand KNOWS.. That they are up to it.
6. 

   Rick
   

   Jul 19th, 2008
   

   Its refreshing to come home from work, log on to my computer before I make dinner and see these shit storms. Really, I kind of find these verbal wars more interesting than the physical in-game wars. I’m not a combatant, I am however interested in the SL military scene, it truly is amazing to see, somewhat, real life concepts put into a game…now this is inb4nolife, seriously it must be time consuming and need a lot of concentration to make a SL military. My question is, do the people who come up with these group have jobs/friends(IRL)/a life? Maybe they do…but I am still kind of confused.

   Oh, and this is probably mentioned a lot on the comment areas, but if you aren’t interested in the article why read and comment on it?
7. 

   Bruno Ziskey
   

   Jul 19th, 2008
   

   l at ex-AN.

   Just lol.

   Question, why the hell would we make a fight “fair”. War isn’t fair. One side wins, and the other side gets decimated. Deal with it. Recruit more people. Make the AN a group someone would actually desire to be in. Otherwise stop bashing people and not expect to be completely destroyed when we come to steamroll you.”

   Because Karlhockey, Second Life is a GAME. Games are supposed to be FUN for everyone. You wouldn’t play football or race cars if the other guy always had more linebackers or a huge engine which you never have a chance to compete with. The same goes here, where the other person never has a chance to defend themselves against an enemy that’s 30 times their own size. You have likely never been on the receiving end of a swarm attack Karl, or if you have, you’ve forgotten what it’s like. A sense of fairness is what promotes respect in the SL military community.
   It would also seem that, surprisingly steve319 Cao is so far the only enemy Sparta has who has the balls to actually acknowledge that swarming is unfair and unnecessary. He recently IMed me saying that whenever UNIT attacks Sparta, it will not swarm but use even numbers honorably. Kinda makes you wonder that if someone who’s always criticized for his spelling and bad grammer has the brains to acknowledge that combat in SL should be fair, and then actually ACTS on that instead of just talking about it, then why arent the larger, more organized groups doing the same? Maybe they’re the ones low on brain power.
8. 

   IntLibber Brautigan
   

   Jul 19th, 2008
   

   I am for one, glad to see AN is cleaning house.
   Along with Ethan Schuman, I was another person who was involved at Emit Time. I acted as the escrow agent for funds to make sure the land transfer, which was done by the estate owner herself, who recognised Uildiar Kuhn as the legitimate landowner, to the Ailiance Navy parody group, was doen properly.

   Why was I involved? Because for many months, AN members like Nanao, Judge, Raideur, etc had all be trespassing on and griefing residents in my civillian sims in order to attack the Mercz in Badnarik. They even had the gall to launch attacks from the World Trade Center towers, desecrating the memory of those who died on 9/11. When I brought these issues to their HC, I was told to fuck off repeatedly. So what happened at Emit Time, they had coming.

   Recently I and the Mercz have had a bit of detente with the AN. The AN HC apologized for their disregard of estate rules in the past, and harassment of civillian residents. I thank the AN for their maturity and courage in making this apology. The ejection of Nanao may or may not have something to do with this rapproachment.

   In return I have apologized for feeling it necessary to take part in what was done at Emit Time. There were no other means of holding AN accountable for their actions, and I had hoped the event would cause AN members to look in the mirror of the /b/tardery and recognise how deeply their own past behavior, which many have regarded as griefing in uniform, has offended a large swath of SL society.

   However, Emit Time also hurt many decent and good members of the AN who were not responsible for the actions of a few, and for that I apologized, and I am glad the AN HC has recognised that their past behavior toward civillians was unacceptable. I have forgiven the AN for past actions, seeing bygones as bygones, and now look forward to fun and fair combat.

   None of us operate in a vacuum, how we each behave impacts others, and how they behave in return toward us and everyone else. The leadership of Mercz have recognised this for a long time, which is why the Mercz train their recruits in detail about ethics, morals, and respect for others, even enemies.

   We are here not to conquer the grid, we engage in SL combat for the fun of it, following principles of sportsmanship, and human decency and respect. Being the best we can be is measured in how many flock to join your group (not counting alts) as well as in how widely respected your group and its members are by other groups, not by destroying other groups.

   I for one salute the AN High Command for recognising these truths and taking the steps to reopen and maintain good diplomatic relations with Mercz and other groups for the good of the members and SL combat in general.
9. 

   Ethan Schuman
   

   Jul 19th, 2008
   

   Just a couple quick points of contention to be mentioned here…

   @Vanguard:
   We’ll make fun of your little pathetic wannabe group as much as we damn well like. For two groups so radically opposed to each other to agree on the fact that you all not only are not a valid military group, but that you need to die in a nuclear firestorm, demonstrates the following. Firstly, it shows beyond any shadow of a doubt that the behavior of your group is completely unacceptable. Secondly, it offers a common ground for Iron Symphony and Ascendant Initiative to work together on.

   Now I know the inevitable “u dun no us so dun jugde!” is likely going to come up here. That couldn’t be any further from the truth. Quite a few of the members of your group (roughly 60 from Iron Symphony alone, we have no intel on AI’s numbers) are actually alts that we’ve put in place to monitor and influence things.

   “srsleh.. Each Officer and higher are in their position for a reason. If someone wants to act like an idiot.. They can stick to being enlisted. But will not be promoted into our higher ranks unless Kommand KNOWS.. That they are up to it.”

   At last measurement, Vanguard’s officer corps consisted of somewhere around 80-85% of the main group (quite a few of our alts too). Many of these high level officers are individuals that have accomplished the most amazing and difficult feat of being thrown out of the Merczateers or other military group at a low enlisted rank for being so stupid they are unable to breathe through their noses. Vanguard’s Kommand is pretty much the same, with a fair ratio of our alts to regular members. Vanguard will never be a valid military group, and the only reason the Sodomy Regime still stands is because the Iron Symphony and Ascendant Initiative have been too busy to stop and take a week to put it down once and for all. That, however, may soon be changing.

   @Bruno:
   I’m going to take a departure from my normal style of response to you, and leave the insults and ridicule for the Vanguard section of this post. You’d like to know why we tend to swarm whenever we attack the Ascendant Initiative? The simple answer is because that it’s what we’ve grown to expect from them, and it’s become ingrained in our minds as the regular standard of combat. Sparta is a relatively young military compared to the legacy groups like AN and Mercz, and Ordo to a lesser extent. Because of this, it’s quite likely that your knowledge of the earlier days is from what you’ve read and heard. This isn’t a bad thing, it just means you aren’t as intimately familiar with the formations of our groups, and how our psychologies and battle spirits were formed. Most of our battle tactics that we use against the Ascendant Initiative today are tactics that we have, over the years, have had used against us at some point in time by the Alliance Navy when they were a superpower. Many of these tactics include things that you protest, such as swarming (Crucifix, anyone?), sky platforms, mass teleporting, aerial interdiction of ground targets even (well, especially) when the defenders are unable to retaliate, spawn camping, explosive spamming, and other tactics. When we attack Sparta and make use of these methods, I can promise you we aren’t trying to ruin your experience. To do so would be to go against everything the Iron Symphony stands for. We equate you in our minds as belonging to the same school of thought as the Alliance Navy, so we engage you in the same way.

   Now, I’m going to go out on a limb here, and try something new. Instead of telling you to adapt and deal with how others wage war, and then make some insulting remark, I’m going to take a different direction. Put the pride and hatred aside for a moment, and unmute the leadership of Iron Symphony, and talk to us. It’s my theory that most of our issues between your group and ours is simply poor communication, on the rare occasions that it does occur. So I think it’s time we try to fix that. Contact myself, Lurdan, Anthony, or Aryte, and sit down for a half an hour or so and talk with us. No pride, no egos, no politics, no insults, none of that bullshit. Sit and talk with us about how you would like us to do battle against Sparta. If there’s something we do that you don’t like, instead of the usual routine of Group A getting pissed off and banning Group B, tell us what it is, why you don’t like it, and tell us how you’d like to see it changed whenever we engage you all. I’ll tell you right now that will not earn you ridicule from us or a reputation of being weak, but rather it will show you to have a level of maturity that will earn our respect. Like I said, I know there are tactics and such we take for granted that you do not agree with when we fight you. However, we aren’t psychics and mind readers. We cannot know what you don’t like if you don’t tell us. And I’ll tell you that if you do speak with us, if you communicate, we’ll do our absolute best to change our tactics to increase the amount of fun that is had by Iron Symphony soldiers and Sparta alike. Please, for the sake of enjoyment by both of our groups, contact us. Engage and communicate with us. This is a challenge to you to show everyone that you mean what you say, and a chance for us to prove that we really are out to make sure everyone has as much fun as possible.
10. 

    Zrazor Rozenstrauch
    

    Jul 20th, 2008
    

    “At last measurement, Vanguard’s officer corps consisted of somewhere around 80-85% of the main group (quite a few of our alts too).”

    I don’t buy this bit about you having all these alts in VG because if you did, you’d know what was really up, and you obviously don’t.

    Anyway, instead of using arbitrary statistics you just pulled out of your ass, take a look at some actual numbers:

    Here are Vanguard’s membership numbers as of this moment according to group search.
    Main group: 217
    Mannshaften (Enlisted): 195
    Unteroffiziere (NCO): 87
    Offiziere (Officer): 28
    Kommand (Command…duh): 12

    Keep in mind that people of higher ranks typically stay in the lower rank bracket groups for the purposes of sending notices, accessing group chats, acquiring updated weapons from the armory, etc.

    Now, I don’t speak German, but I don’t think it would be hard for any English-speaker to
    discern the difference in nomenclature between “Unteroffiziere” and “Offiziere.” They translate literally to “Underofficer” and “Officer” respectively. I don’t believe I’d consider an “Underofficer” to be an officer. That’s why we have different groups for them, and that’s why officers are simply called “Offiziere.” It’s very simple, really.

    So I think this debunks your claim that 80-85% of people in the main group are officers, as 28 is not 80-85% of 217. In fact, if you exclude people in Kommand, the actual count of people whose official rank is in the Offiziere bracket should be 16.

    And back to those alts. I know almost everyone in the Offiziere group personally and not one of them has ever given me any sort of vibe that they’re a spy, and I’m usually very good at spotting that sort of thing.

    As to racism in Vanguard, that’s why we got rid of Morganna. She was genuinely racist and genuinely a griefer, and we got sick of her doing nothing but dragging VG’s reputation down further, so she got the boot. As to the rest of us, most of us just have what I consider to be an…irreverent sense of humor. You could compare it to an episode of Chapelle’s show or something along those lines.
11. 

    Jiranto Kas
    

    Jul 20th, 2008
    

    Ethan; ‘Vanguard’s officer corps consisted of somewhere around 80-85% of the main group’ Our officer group has 25 members in it. This is 25 out of 230+.

    Do your research, next time.
12. 

    Adrastos Fhang
    

    Jul 20th, 2008
    

    I do not know who the hell is using my name…. Don’t. Nanao is a great guy along with AN. Don’t put words in my mouth.
13. 

    Bruno Ziskey
    

    Jul 20th, 2008
    

    “Many of these tactics include things that you protest, such as swarming (Crucifix, anyone?), sky platforms, mass teleporting, aerial interdiction of ground targets even (well, especially) when the defenders are unable to retaliate, spawn camping, explosive spamming, and other tactics. When we attack Sparta and make use of these methods, I can promise you we aren’t trying to ruin your experience. To do so would be to go against everything the Iron Symphony stands for. We equate you in our minds as belonging to the same school of thought as the Alliance Navy, so we engage you in the same way.”

    So this makes you any better? You really think that “oh well he did it, so will I” makes you any better than what you perceive the AN as? So what if they spawn camped, swarmed, etc? You turn right around and do those too, and then you wonder why you get banned. If you want to make a positive image of yourself, you have to stop being like the enemy. That’s why Sparta has a “no swarm” rule in place, and a “no spawn camping” rule in place in our ROE. That way, when we ARE larger, we wont be able to do those things.

    As for talking to the HC of Emo Alliance: NO swarming, no attachment Uriels, no spawncamping, no sithacking further than 5m. And don’t whine to me about not using the new uriels. If you can ban for using jump packs, I can sure as hell ban the Uriels.
14. 

    some guy
    

    Jul 20th, 2008
    

    what the fuck is the big deal about the attachment uriel?
15. 

    Ethan Schuman
    

    Jul 20th, 2008
    

    Hmm… I’ll go with Sparta first.

    Bruno, when I was talking about the tactics we use against the Ascendant Initiative, specifically the AN, they are tactics that have been allowed, and encouraged, for years. The methods of engagement we use against the Alliance Navy, are methods that we have discussed and agreed upon. To the AN, swarming, spawn camping, and the like are parts of normal combat. We all acknowledge it, accept it, and that’s how we fight. For a long time, we viewed Sparta as playing by the same rules, and so that’s how we fought you. However, you can’t lay the blame entirely upon us, as you have made 0% effort to engage in communications with the leadership of the militaries you don’t agree with. That’s the first step.

    “As for talking to the HC of Emo Alliance: NO swarming, no attachment Uriels, no spawncamping, no sithacking further than 5m. And don’t whine to me about not using the new uriels. If you can ban for using jump packs, I can sure as hell ban the Uriels.”
    -Now look at this. I try to address you in a mature, respectful manner, and the first thing you do is sling an insult. I’m really beginning to wonder if you actually believe what you say, or if you’re just some cowardly hypocrite who likes to thump his chest and hide behind a false code of fair play because his troops are incapable of defending themselves in combat. See how that sounds? If you want your enemy to treat you with respect, you’d best start practicing what you preach.

    Now let’s take a look at your demands:
    “NO swarming” – Well, we’ve already issued a five on five challenge that you have yet to answer to. So while we wait for your response to that, why don’t you define in clear, concrete terms what you view swarming as? Put down some numbers. We hear you talk about swarming enough, but I’ve never actually heard your specific definition of what constitutes swarming. So please be so kind as to clarify what you mean, and we’ll see what we can do about abiding by it.
    “no attachment Uriels” – While I’m still confused as hell about why you don’t want us using these, considering how much slower they are than normal aircraft, the fact that they cause much less lag, and operate in lag… that’s fine. But in turn, if you’re going to outlaw our attachment Uriels, we’re going to outlaw your entire air force, pending an inspection. We’re tired of your aircraft making use of poorly ripped Talon scripts and lagging to hell and back. So if you’re going to forbid our far more efficient aircraft, we’re banning yours until you all can get your own script sets and get your air force to adhere to a higher standard of performance and efficiency, which we will set. If it’s fair for you to ban based on the combat abilities of our aircraft, it’s perfectly fine for us to ban yours because of the lag.
    “no spawncamping” – That’s fine. We’ll stop spawncamping. But in return, you all have to stop firing into your hub. You’ll probably need to stop using those teleporters too. The whole reason spawncamping occurs is to suppress an enemy to the point where he can’t defend. If you all are spawning all over your base, firing as soon as you respawn, then using teleports to jump all over your base… spawncamping will occur not out of malice, but out of simple need to secure an area. Keep that in mind.
    “no sithacking further than 5m” – This is something we already adhere to. Yes, even Ordo are not allowed to use their warps and are restricted to 5m breaches when in combat. Sparta still makes use of teleporters. Once again, practice what you preach.

    And for a closing note…
    “And don’t whine to me about not using the new uriels. If you can ban for using jump packs, I can sure as hell ban the Uriels.”
    -Allow me to assure you with 100% certainty… if you think the Praedas and attachment Uriels are nasty, wait until we sit down and write a -NEW- generation of sit based aircraft. Sit based aircraft can do everything attachment based craft can do, and they can do them much better. Don’t like the ability to fire straight down? Praedas are far more maneuverable and have a better range of fire. So, be careful what you wish for.

    As for Vanguard:
    I’d go into a massive long rant about our spies, the stuff we’ve used them to do to you all without your knowledge, how many of them make up that supposedly elite officer corps of yours, the turnover rate for VG officers, the ability to give Christoph money for rank, and a million other things, but everyone already knows about all that. Instead I’m just going to point out something simple real quick…

    Two weeks ago, you all claimed to be the biggest military on the grid, and boasted a membership pool of nearly 275 people. Now, in less than ten minutes, we have one claim of 230+, and another of 217. Either way, your numbers are dropping rapidly, and Mercz are picking up people because of it. For a supposedly “comical” attitude about racism, the fact that racist behavior is the number one reason former VG members who join Mercz defect says otherwise. GG rainbownazis. GG.
16. 

    lolwut
    

    Jul 20th, 2008
    

    I find the whole argument on “swarming” hilarious…. The AN pioneered the “swarm attack” back when they still had the numbers of active people to do so. Members of the AI crying about “swarming” is the epitomy of hypocrisy. You started it, now you dont have the numbers any more to finish it. Cry more please.
17. 

    Iron Symphony
    

    Jul 20th, 2008
    

    The Emo Alliance ? LOL!
    If the IS is an Emo Alliance (What it is not, look at MC or Domin) then i guess we can call the AS the “NooB alliance”…
    Also, AN = Armed Noobs
    
18. 

    Zrazor Rozenstrauch
    

    Jul 21st, 2008
    

    Oh Ethan. Just keep ignoring the numbers and facts. It’s not like they mean anything, right? You’re such a card.

    “I’d go into a massive long rant about our spies”

    That you don’t have.

    “the stuff we’ve used them to do to you all without your knowledge”

    Name an example.

    “how many of them make up that supposedly elite officer corps of yours”

    Again, I personally know all 16 of these officers and I’d bet money on not a single one of them being a Mercz alt.

    “the ability to give Christoph money for rank”

    The donation incentive program is no longer in use. And when it was, it cost roughly $100 USD to obtain a rank of Hauptfeldwebel (at the time, the highest Unteroffiziere rank) and no higher. I don’t know of anyone actually taking advantage of this when it was offered either. The rumor that you can buy your way into Kommand is simply a myth.

    “Two weeks ago, you all claimed to be the biggest military on the grid, and boasted a membership pool of nearly 275 people. Now, in less than ten minutes, we have one claim of 230+, and another of 217. Either way, your numbers are dropping rapidly, and Mercz are picking up people because of it.”

    Maybe claims were made. I dunno, that’s not my department. I’m a flight instructor and a UA squad leader. Propaganda isn’t my job.

    But I do know that VG has been going through a lot of changes in the past few weeks and, as such, things are pretty crazy.

    ” For a supposedly “comical” attitude about racism, the fact that racist behavior is the number one reason former VG members who join Mercz defect says otherwise.”

    In my experience, the people who leave over a few n-bombs or a shoop face are the kind of uptight jerks we don’t want around anyway. Good riddance to the lot of them.

    By the way, it’s a tad hypocritical of you to gripe about our supposed racism and then make homophobic remarks. Just thought I’d throw that out there.
19. 

    lolwut
    

    Jul 21st, 2008
    

    [16:51] IntLibber Brautigan: we’ve had this gone over by LL with fine toothed comb
    [16:51] IntLibber Brautigan: its all due to high collision laggy weapons
    [16:51] IntLibber Brautigan: nothing else
    [16:51] Domine Diage: He was just complaining about how the sims are all joined together, and that its more prone to estate-wide attacks…
    [16:51] Domine Diage: I noted that its more user friendly the way you have it set up, but eh.
    [16:51] IntLibber Brautigan: tell him to look at the fucking map
    [16:51] Ginrod Allen shouts: All normal humans do not worry. You will not be targeted.
    [16:52] IntLibber Brautigan: all of furnation went down
    [16:52] IntLibber Brautigan: P­n never touched us in todays raid
    [16:52] Ginrod Allen shouts: Try to stay away from furries, lest you get snagged by the crossfire.
    [16:52] Domine Diage: Thats good.
    [16:52] IntLibber Brautigan: we have the best security in SL
    [16:52] Arconos Kilian: ao on
    [16:52] Bootes Newchurch shouts: not now Assrod…we’ll duel later
    [16:52] IntLibber Brautigan: we even kept em out of our new sim of Fur Liberty
    [16:53] IntLibber Brautigan: so we know what were doing
    [16:53] IntLibber Brautigan: the problems in Badnarik are weapons collision related
    [16:53] Domine Diage shouts: Arconos. C’mere.
    [16:53] IntLibber Brautigan: you guys n eed to clean things up more often
    [16:53] IntLibber Brautigan: shit piles up and lag piles up with it
    [16:54] IntLibber Brautigan: so Ish is being an ignorant emo drama queen
    [16:54] Echo Cuddihy: There’s a bunch of stuff I saw yesterday uptop at about 800m up above the train.
    [16:54] IntLibber Brautigan: Dyn
    [16:54] IntLibber Brautigan: got a job for you
    [16:54] Dynamic Drinkwater: hmm?
    [16:54] IntLibber Brautigan: You are gonna work with Caine
    [16:54] IntLibber Brautigan: the Ailiance Navy needs to be equipped with all sorts of equipment
    [16:55] Dynamic Drinkwater: Wait, Wait, why give them?
    [16:55] Caine Toll: i’ve been handing them guns and shit already, though I don’t know if its the greatest idea.
    [16:55] IntLibber Brautigan: the Ailiance Navy
    [16:55] Caine Toll: they’ve been attacking the mercz.
    [16:55] IntLibber Brautigan: not the Alliance Navy
    [16:55] IntLibber Brautigan: different groups
    [16:55] Dynamic Drinkwater: Ahhhh
    [16:55] IntLibber Brautigan: its a spoof group
    [16:55] IntLibber Brautigan: we bought half of the AN Emit Time base
    [16:55] IntLibber Brautigan: from Uildiar Kuhn
    [16:56] Dynamic Drinkwater: what to equip them with?
    [16:56] Bootes Newchurch: good job man
    [16:56] IntLibber Brautigan: any open market AN equipment you can get your paws on
    [16:56] Caine Toll: Open Market AN equipment comes every now and then.
    [16:57] Caine Toll: I have an AN weapon, but.
    [16:57] Caine Toll: it needs to be scripted.
    [16:57] Caine Toll: full perms.
    [16:57] Dynamic Drinkwater: I make a notice
    [16:57] IntLibber Brautigan: your in charge of the Logistics Division
    [16:57] Caine Toll: Can I get an invite to this spoof AN group too?
    [16:57] IntLibber Brautigan: yeah thought I sent it already
    [16:57] Caine Toll: Never got one :/
    [16:58] Trevan Beaumont: Can I be an AN Penal Officer?
    [16:58] IntLibber Brautigan: you can be a rear admiral
    [16:58] IntLibber Brautigan: in charge of rears
    [16:58] Trevan Beaumont: And wear this?
    [16:58] Caine Toll: I _<
    [17:02] Ginrod Allen: k
    [17:02] IntLibber Brautigan: the AN furries are furfags
    [17:02] Caine Toll: lmfao
    [17:02] IntLibber Brautigan: the Mercz furries are generally ok
    [17:02] Caine Toll: can I quote that, Int?
    [17:02] Caine Toll: that made me lol.
    [17:02] IntLibber Brautigan: except for Ishida
    [17:02] IntLibber Brautigan: hes a furfag anyways
    [17:02] IntLibber Brautigan: yeah unless Lurdan says otherwise
    [17:03] Caine Toll: Moonite.
    [17:03] Caine Toll: look at this gun.
    [17:03] Ginrod Allen: looks like a modded M4
    [17:03] Ginrod Allen: pretty nice
    [17:03] Caine Toll: Used to be the AN’s choice weapon.
    [17:03] Caine Toll: when I get some scripts in it, I want you to round up all the /b/tards you can.
    [17:03] Caine Toll: and we’ll hand it out.
    [17:03] Echo Cuddihy: K
    [17:03] Ginrod Allen: Okayt
    [17:03] Goose Biedermann: nice hat trev
    [17:03] IntLibber Brautigan: talk to Christoph
    [17:03] Ginrod Allen: hey, I have some scripts.
    [17:03] IntLibber Brautigan: I’m taking over the whole Carnage Island crew
    [17:04] Ginrod Allen: this package contains them
    [17:04] Caine Toll: word, word?
    [17:04] Ginrod Allen: this is a working script
    [17:04] IntLibber Brautigan: yeah
    [17:04] Caine Toll: I used to be friends with Fred Extraudinaire back in like 2004.
    [17:04] Ginrod Allen: I think
    [17:04] Caine Toll: when we were all in slootsville.
    [17:04] IntLibber Brautigan: theyre all gonna move to my new sim of Major League Combat
    [17:04] Caine Toll: awesome.
    [17:04] Caine Toll: I liked carnage island.
    [17:04] IntLibber Brautigan: Christoph is ripping Anshe seriously
    [17:04] Caine Toll: keep me informed on the updates, int.
    [17:04] IntLibber Brautigan: she banned me from all her estates
    [17:04] Ginrod Allen: intlib, lindens are targetting the members of the fake AN group.
    [17:04] Caine Toll: lmao.
    [17:04] IntLibber Brautigan: only those that raid
    [17:04] Trevan Beaumont: Shit!
    [17:05] Ginrod Allen: Well I need another invite to it.
    [17:05] IntLibber Brautigan: you guys gotta keep away from raids if you wanna stay alive
    [17:05] Ginrod Allen: Group invite?
    [17:05] IntLibber Brautigan: yeah
    [17:06] Ginrod Allen: Caine… do you think you could scrounge up an orbiter script for that gun
    [17:06] Caine Toll: Quite possibly, but.
    [17:06] Ginrod Allen: Awesome.
    [17:06] Caine Toll: that’s griefing..
    [17:06] Bootes Newchurch: that’s not bad dwtail on that weapon….now give it a decent BPS and no collisions
    [17:06] IntLibber Brautigan: yeah
    [17:06] Ginrod Allen: No, its not.
    [17:06] Ginrod Allen: Not when you call it “griefer prevention”
    [17:06] IntLibber Brautigan: make a gun that shoots damage dongs
    [17:06] Caine Toll: Damage dongs.
    [17:06] Ginrod Allen: Cock rockets.
    [17:06] Caine Toll: how about pink dildos?
    [17:06] Domine Diage: Hi
    [17:07] IntLibber Brautigan: sure
    [17:07] Domine Diage: I was just gettin out of here, need anything before I poof?
    [17:07] Bootes Newchurch: get lots of babes that way
    [17:07] IntLibber Brautigan: so long as they do linden damage
    [17:07] Caine Toll: Roger.
    [17:07] Caine Toll: i’ll work on it right here.
    [17:07] IntLibber Brautigan: then its a legit combat weapon
    [17:07] Domine Diage: Me too. Seeyou later.
    [17:07] IntLibber Brautigan: with large caliber projectiles
    [17:07] Ginrod Allen: You know what would rock?
    [17:07] Ginrod Allen: “ice” gun or something
    [17:07] Ginrod Allen: it would freze the target.
    [17:07] Ginrod Allen: …untill they teleported or something.
    [17:08] Caine Toll: …
    [17:08] Caine Toll: these are sirlors scripts.
    [17:09] Caine Toll: Ah well.
    [17:09] Caine Toll: hope you don’t mind that I have sirlor’s scripts full perm now, Int
    [17:10] Caine Toll: let’s see.
    [17:10] Anthony Lehane: Hay
    [17:10] Caine Toll: Hay Buddeh!
    [17:10] Caine Toll: Anthony.
    [17:10] Ginrod Allen: Intlib… we used to have an old rumor about you
    [17:10] IntLibber Brautigan: hey Haner
    [17:10] Ginrod Allen: That you had power over lindens
    [17:10] IntLibber Brautigan: whats that?
    [17:10] Ginrod Allen: Was this true?
    [17:10] IntLibber Brautigan: oh
    [17:10] IntLibber Brautigan: I have significant pull
    [17:11] IntLibber Brautigan: but they don’t obey my commands
    [17:11] Ginrod Allen: Ah.
    [17:11] Ginrod Allen: We thought that you nabbed MAC lists off of them.
    [17:11] IntLibber Brautigan: nah
    [17:11] Caine Toll: fuck it
    [17:11] Ginrod Allen: Ah.
    [17:11] Caine Toll: i’ll build a dildo.
    [17:11] Proteus Hand shouts: wait for him to get ready.
    [17:11] IntLibber Brautigan: They just love me
    [17:11] Proteus Hand shouts: Badnarik is slow for them.
    [17:11] Ginrod Allen: Because you control money, right.
    [17:11] IntLibber Brautigan: was shooting whiskey with Pathfinder in Boston a month ago
    [17:11] Ginrod Allen: I read that book snow crash.
    [17:12] Ginrod Allen: It was a good book, despite the fact that it seemed a bit farfetched.
    [17:12] IntLibber Brautigan: well its not so far fetched
    [17:12] Ginrod Allen: I know, you went over that whole thing.
    [17:12] Anthony Lehane: vel 100
    [17:12] Ginrod Allen: Please don’t start.
    [17:12] IntLibber Brautigan: and if I have my way, we’re headed there
    [17:12] IntLibber Brautigan: he he
    [17:13] IntLibber Brautigan: Ailiance navy is solely to spoof and parody
    [17:13] IntLibber Brautigan: like hazim does
    [17:13] IntLibber Brautigan: anybody who raids in the group needs to be ejected
    [17:13] Anthony Lehane: r
    [17:13] Caine Toll: the hell is raiding anyways?
    [17:13] Lurdan Huszar: grav 50
    [17:13] Anthony Lehane: Noone
    [17:13] IntLibber Brautigan: crashing furry sims
    [17:13] Lurdan Huszar: grav 100
    [17:13] Caine Toll: oh.
20. 

    Bruno Ziskey
    

    Jul 21st, 2008
    

    “However, you can’t lay the blame entirely upon us, as you have made 0% effort to engage in communications with the leadership of the militaries you don’t agree with”

    I’ve already expressed multiple times to your leaders about our sim rules. If they still don’t understand them, they need to open their ears.

    “Well, we’ve already issued a five on five challenge that you have yet to answer to. So while we wait for your response to that, why don’t you define in clear, concrete terms what you view swarming as? Put down some numbers.”

    Well perhaps you should stop banning us on sight when we go to your sim and then we can actually fight you. It’s not like Mercz themselves are banned, just the new Uriels. As for swarming, I’ve already defined this AGAIN multiple times, but since you seem to keep conveniently forgetting:attacking with double the number of people on the base who are defending.

    “If it’s fair for you to ban based on the combat abilities of our aircraft, it’s perfectly fine for us to ban yours because of the lag.”

    Hmm..allowing your aircraft to be worn, thus allowing you to tp people into enemy bases while wearing the craft, and having the attachment which doesnt even follow real SL vehicle physics, and therefore cannot be truly classified as a vehicle…Yeah I’ll ban them since the opportunity to abuse them is enormous. You want to ban our air force? Fine, but at least ours cant be abused in the ways yours can. I’d rather have something lag and be fair instead of cheat and be lagless.

    “”no spawncamping” – That’s fine. We’ll stop spawncamping. But in return, you all have to stop firing into your hub. You’ll probably need to stop using those teleporters too. The whole reason spawncamping occurs is to suppress an enemy to the point where he can’t defend. If you all are spawning all over your base, firing as soon as you respawn, then using teleports to jump all over your base… spawncamping will occur not out of malice, but out of simple need to secure an area. Keep that in mind.”

    No spawn camping means no spawn camping. No exceptions, and bans will likely be permanent. Keep THAT in mind.

    “Sparta still makes use of teleporters. Once again, practice what you preach.”

    STABLE clearly allows us to use teleporters in our base so long as they arent personal ones like Ordo’s. They rez at a certain area, take us to the predesignated area we want to go to that has another teleport rezzer there, and then it deletes itself. Seeing as we’re a smaller group, we also need the extra mobility to keep defense well rounded against larger attacks.
21. 

    Cirius Montale
    

    Jul 21st, 2008
    

    For a moment, I was under the strangest impression that I was reading a news article. Word of advice to the Herald editors, assuming they have any; articles generally benefit from having an introduction, a conclusion, and god forbid, a point.

    On Nanao’s forced departure from the AN, I bid my previous commander a fond farewell, and wish him all the best.
22. 

    Artemis Fate
    

    Jul 21st, 2008
    

    @Bruno Ziskey
    “No spawn camping means no spawn camping. No exceptions, and bans will likely be permanent. Keep THAT in mind.”

    Having watched a few of the recent battles of the Mercz attacking the AN base, I can see why, in this hilariously broken system of LL Combat, Spawn Camping is an absolute necessity. The defending team has no downtime or penalty in death, especially since it’s teleporting from one part of the sim to another, it’s quite quick depending on lag. Compared to the invading force, which every time they lose someone, they have to start back in the hub point or wait for a teleport from another live member. In this way, I’ve seen one defending member overcome overwhelming odds of an entire squad against them, because when they were killed they just popped right back in the same vicnity ready to fight, whereas the attackers, when they were killed they would need time to get back. It’s something akin to immortality, and makes successfully capturing a base a Sisyphean Task (You should understand that one Bruno).

    Really, it’s not that Spawn camping is valid or good, it’s just that LL combat is so very very shitty. And unless you add something to this combat pact of yours that says if an invading force can get in and do something in a base (set off some scripted bomb effect that takes like 30 seconds, access a “mainframe computer” that turns “control” of the base over to the attackers, similarly with a timed notice to give the defenders a chance to counteract, etc.) then Spawn Camping is the only way as it stands to really successfully take over a base, otherwise the defending force will be unending.

    Also, not really criticizing or insinuating, just think it’s funny that Sparta seems most adamant about “No swarming” when you’re named after a city-state who’s mostly known for the Battle of Thermopylae.
23. 

    Bruno Ziskey
    

    Jul 21st, 2008
    

    Artemis…you do realize that this is a GAME and that the ancient Spartans didnt have to deal with lag, mass tps (common Mercz tactic…they’ll send multiple tps and then wait until they die, then accept the tp so they end up right where they were before), aircraft that can go into buildings and fit since they’re attachments (mercz again)…and so on. Due to the fact that spawn camping also ends up in bans for the attacker, which leads them to declare victory, makes sl combat generally unfair and NOT FUN for the smaller guy who just wants a good fight and not to be black screened. Perhaps you should join a military in SL and try it yourself?
24. 

    Ethan Schuman
    

    Jul 21st, 2008
    

    I’ll start with Vanguard for this go round.

    “Oh Ethan. Just keep ignoring the numbers and facts. It’s not like they mean anything, right? You’re such a card.”
    -A Vanguard member calling someone else out on fact checking? The irony in that statement is delicious… like pumpkin pie.

    “That you don’t have.”
    -Oh really? I’d go on ahead and name a few, but we like them where they are. It boils down to this: You don’t have to believe me. Whether you do or not is irrelevant. In fact, I’d prefer if you didn’t, as it means you won’t go looking for our spies, as well as those of the Ascendant Initiative.

    “Name an example.”
    -The Ordo alone could write a book on the comedic shit they’ve done to you all, even on their mains. How about Sukasa Rydell getting Christoph to give him a bunch of cash for a weapon and sim build, then turning around and nuking everything? Or Aelus Janus, sitting in the group and quietly filming Vantards running around acting like idiots? The REALLY funny ones I unfortunately can’t share, as those alts are still in place.

    “Again, I personally know all 16 of these officers and I’d bet money on not a single one of them being a Mercz alt.”
    -You’d be betting wrong. But hey, then again Vanguard does have a pretty poor history when it comes to making wagers. I’d be careful though, no IntBib to hide behind this time.

    “The donation incentive program is no longer in use. And when it was, it cost roughly $100 USD to obtain a rank of Hauptfeldwebel (at the time, the highest Unteroffiziere rank) and no higher. I don’t know of anyone actually taking advantage of this when it was offered either. The rumor that you can buy your way into Kommand is simply a myth.”
    -Oh, it was used, because we got more recruits when Christoph immediately demoted his donators. Then again, given your members, perhaps reserving rank for those dedicated enough to donate would be a smart idea.

    “Maybe claims were made. I dunno, that’s not my department. I’m a flight instructor and a UA squad leader. Propaganda isn’t my job.

    But I do know that VG has been going through a lot of changes in the past few weeks and, as such, things are pretty crazy.”
    -Christoph’s profile.

    “In my experience, the people who leave over a few n-bombs or a shoop face are the kind of uptight jerks we don’t want around anyway. Good riddance to the lot of them.”
    -Yeah. They’ve been excellent Merczateers so far. Good soldiers.. can’t have any of those around Vanguard now, can we?

    “By the way, it’s a tad hypocritical of you to gripe about our supposed racism and then make homophobic remarks. Just thought I’d throw that out there.”
    -Oh, I’m not homophobic. I hate everybody equally.

    ————————————————
    Now for Bruno.

    “I’ve already expressed multiple times to your leaders about our sim rules. If they still don’t understand them, they need to open their ears.”
    -Screaming “NO SWARM! BAN BAN!” does not count as talking to leaders. Learn to come to tables and talk like a human being rather than a pissed off toddler. As conceited as this is going to sound, your military isn’t nearly strong enough to justify the attitude you have. We’re trying to be nice and be respectful toward you, but that patience will eventually run out. And when it does, well… to put things into perspective for you, between Ordo and Mercz, we could fill every slot on both your estate and local parcel ban lists and still have enough troops to occupy your sim around the clock. You speak with such arrogance and disrespect to groups literally ten times your size, and far superior to your level of technology. We’re trying to treat you like a respectable military leader. I personally suggest you start acting like one.

    “Well perhaps you should stop banning us on sight when we go to your sim and then we can actually fight you. It’s not like Mercz themselves are banned, just the new Uriels. As for swarming, I’ve already defined this AGAIN multiple times, but since you seem to keep conveniently forgetting:attacking with double the number of people on the base who are defending.”
    -Actually, quite a few of both Mercz and Ordo are banned, some for merely showing up (unarmed and without combat intentions) when you happen to be having training. As for swarming… we usually DO send small squads in, rarely more than ten people (yes, that’s a small squad). I mean, either Sparta is either incapable of rallying any sort of defense, or your men just get scared and run when they see Mercz coming. Defending against greater numbers is part of being an SL military group. I honestly don’t see how you can demand so many equalization factors and still call yourself a genuine fighting group. But hey, your land, your rules, regardless of how comical they may be.

    “Hmm..allowing your aircraft to be worn, thus allowing you to tp people into enemy bases while wearing the craft, and having the attachment which doesnt even follow real SL vehicle physics, and therefore cannot be truly classified as a vehicle…Yeah I’ll ban them since the opportunity to abuse them is enormous. You want to ban our air force? Fine, but at least ours cant be abused in the ways yours can. I’d rather have something lag and be fair instead of cheat and be lagless.”
    -You still have yet to make a case as to how the attachment Uriels are cheating. No, the attachment Uriel does not make use of the current SL vehicle system. It EMULATES it, but does not use it. What you need to realize here, Bruno, is that the current SL vehicle system ISN’T actually a vehicle system. It’s actually just a really, really, dirty hackjob to address physical objects with dynamic behavior. Vehicles do not require pilots. Yes, pilots CAN warp into battle ready to fight. Yes, the attachment vehicles CAN fire straight up and down. However, they’re much slower. And just because we CAN teleport into battle in them, doesn’t mean we do. On the same school of thought, Fleet Ships should be illegal because they’re glorified sit hacking devices that can be used to warp inside a base. Yet you have no protest against those. It’s not about what things are capable of, it’s what the people who have them use them for. As for your aircraft not being able to be exploited the same way ours can, that’s just plain stupid. Sit planes can warp other people in just as easily, can be coded to fire straight up and down, are MUCH faster, and generate more lag. Believe me, compared to what Iron Symphony is CAPABLE of making sit based aircraft do, you should be thankful we choose to use the attachment systems instead. This statement also completely ignores the statement I made ages ago that if you ask for help making attachment aircraft, we’ll help you get them too. This is an offer you still have yet to take us up on. For some reason, I smell a “Well, that’s cheap! Sparta is better! We don’t accept help from enemies!” line here. Grow up. This is a mutually beneficial technology, and the only reason you claim it’s cheating is because you’re too proud to ask for help in making your own. If you’re too proud to get rid of lag just because you don’t want to move to something another military came up with, you need to do your group a favor and resign.

    “No spawn camping means no spawn camping. No exceptions, and bans will likely be permanent. Keep THAT in mind.”
    -Read my previous statement on your ban list. If you spawn in defensive positions, you will be spawncamped. If you ban us for surpressing your defenses, we may back out, or we may decide to teach you a lesson in humility and fill your sim for a week, just because we can.

    “STABLE clearly allows us to use teleporters in our base so long as they arent personal ones like Ordo’s. They rez at a certain area, take us to the predesignated area we want to go to that has another teleport rezzer there, and then it deletes itself. Seeing as we’re a smaller group, we also need the extra mobility to keep defense well rounded against larger attacks.”
    -Now, I’ll ignore the sheer stupidity of STABLE, and just raise this point: Swarming is bannable, as is spawn camping, as is attacking during training. Now… if it’s forbidden to attack with a large force… then why do you need teleporters to “keep mobility”? Consistency, Bruno. Consistency. You can’t keep things designed to defend against larger attacks if you forbid large attacks from occurring.

    Basically Bruno, you’re at a crossroads. You can grow up and start acting like a real leader, engaging in respectful diplomacy with other groups, or you can kick around like an angry little dog that for SOME reason thinks he has the stuff to bark at the big boys. Go with the first, and Sparta will grow and prosper. Go with the second… and eventually, we’ll just get tired of your moaning and squash you without a second thought. Choice is yours, but I’d take a SERIOUS objective look at your military in comparison to ours and what we’re capable of before making that call, as if you screw with us enough, we -will- end you.
25. 

    parrhesian
    

    Jul 21st, 2008
    

    I shot my brother with a BB gun.
26. 

    Artemis Fate
    

    Jul 21st, 2008
    

    @Bruno
    “that the ancient Spartans didnt have to deal with lag, mass tps blah blah blah”

    Like I said, wasn’t criticizing or insinuating just thought that was funny, complain about the Mercz to someone else.

    “Perhaps you should join a military in SL and try it yourself?”

    Yes, because a laughable combat system in an extremely laggy client, that creates insane amounts of drama and legitimate hatred, between getting bossed around in the military by people who’ve more time to dedicate to such things sounds like a rip-roaring good time.

    If I want fair and fun gun fights, I’ll play a FPS, SL isn’t built for either.
27. 

    Zrazor Rozenstrauch
    

    Jul 21st, 2008
    

    @Parrhesian: You’re the coolest person who’s commented here so far. GJ, son.

    @Ethan:

    “A Vanguard member calling someone else out on fact checking? The irony in that statement is delicious… like pumpkin pie.”

    DODGE THE POINT! DODGE IT! YOU CAN DO IT, ETHAN MAH BOI!!!

    Seriously, I posted numbers, you failed to address them in any way. I think that means that you have, by default, conceded the point to me. Obviously VG’s officer corps does not comprise 80% of our total membership.

    “Oh really? I’d go on ahead and name a few, but we like them where they are. It boils down to this: You don’t have to believe me. Whether you do or not is irrelevant. In fact, I’d prefer if you didn’t, as it means you won’t go looking for our spies, as well as those of the Ascendant Initiative.”

    This isn’t to say we’ve never caught spies. Brandon3000 Balut made himself pretty obvious back when he was in VG, but we didn’t really do anything about him because we don’t really have anything to hide. Spying in SL Militaries is kinda dumb anyway.

    Although I did take the liberty of warning AN about him when I found out that’s where he was. Nrom Normandy took this into consideration and told me he would be stretching Brandon’s marine div training out for as long as humanly possible.

    Y’know, I find it a bit flattering that you’re so concerned about what we’re up to. Really warms my cockles. But if you really want to know what’s up, you could just ask to come hang out sometime. We’re actually really nice people. :3

    “The Ordo alone could write a book on the comedic shit they’ve done to you all, even on their mains. How about Sukasa Rydell getting Christoph to give him a bunch of cash for a weapon and sim build, then turning around and nuking everything? Or Aelus Janus, sitting in the group and quietly filming Vantards running around acting like idiots? The REALLY funny ones I unfortunately can’t share, as those alts are still in place.”

    The Ordo is led by a fellow who could apparently only keep his Praetorians from fornicating in his office by removing it entirely, and, if what I’ve heard from multiple sources is to be believed, engaged in some pretty racy activities with a notably underage Grave Irata/Synth Fhang/whatever at the last Anthrocon. Those events alone, in my opinion, are lulzy enough to beat anything you could ever dig up on VG.

    And that thing with Sukasa? I think we’ve recovered, unlike you guys and your precious Kremlin, which remains a source of butthurt to this day.

    “Oh, it was used, because we got more recruits when Christoph immediately demoted his donators. Then again, given your members, perhaps reserving rank for those dedicated enough to donate would be a smart idea.”

    I like to think I earned my position through hard work, perseverance, and skill, rather than the few, meager donations (which total to less than 1000L) that I’ve been able to spare.

    Inb4 you make some jab at my value as a combatant based on your own ill-informed preconceived notions of VG’s standards.

    “Christoph’s profile.”

    I’m not Christoph. :/

    But I’ll give that point to you. Obviously, Vanguard is not the largest military on the grid. It’s definitely one of the biggest, topping Ordo and AN in overall membership, but the title of largest would have to go to Mercz.

    However, you have to consider that a lot of people will join any given military and then just not do anything, and as such, you have the issue of active membership versus overall membership. This is such a vague issue for all parties involved that I’m not even going to touch it.

    “Yeah. They’ve been excellent Merczateers so far. Good soldiers.. can’t have any of those around Vanguard now, can we?”

    Gotta have good soldiers for your social club/RP group, I s’pose. Y’know, to keep ‘em on standby while Kommissariat argues endlessly with Bruno or AN HC about the validity of attachment Uriels, or to help stomp all over tiny little upstart militaries and pretend that’s somehow a great victory.

    “Oh, I’m not homophobic. I hate everybody equally.”

    Congratulations on possessing all the wit and originality of a plastic keychain purchased from Spencer’s Gifts dangling from the backpack zipper of an overweight high school lesbian who wears black nail polish and listens to Death Cab for Cutie, and/or a bumper sticker on the back of an irate college libertarian’s white ’03 Dodge Neon, right next to a decal of Calvin of Calvin and Hobbes urinating on something. You’re a goddamn genius.

    By the way, since I’m the only VG currently participating in this little debate, I’d appreciate it if you had the common courtesy to address me by my name, rather than just “Vanguard.”
28. 

    Christoph Naumova
    

    Jul 21st, 2008
    

    In my opinions, if you’re going to diss Vanguard you should probably back it up with some sort of actual evidence other than hearsay.

    “OH WE HAVE ALTS IN VG’S KOMMAND” – Unless you’re intentionally dumping your own resources into my group and doing R&D yourselves to actually further my own cause, there isn’t an alt in Kommand.

    As far as your own stupidity goes on accusing of such things – Back it up with proof, then talk trash. All of your accusations and “E-Ego” fights over such things are really amazing. If you feel insecure enough about something to go online and post about it on a subject that has absolutely no relation to what you posted, that’s more power to you.

    As far as the thing with Nanao goes, I can sum it up into a few things. Arrogance, stupidity, and sim ownership.

    As far as I can see of the entire situation, Nanao was the only thing left upholding any morals in the AN. Now it’s just a bunch of idiots sitting on their rears with an air of superiority over everyone else above them. It’s like a few AN Officers said to me (Names excluded for obvious reasons) the AN Needs to lose their sim to actually start caring again. As of this point they dont care, they lose members daily, and they’re pretty much no longer a major military under any aspect or idealism.

    And really your comments about VG, etc – You guys had the balls to lie your asses off to the lindens, get proven wrong (318 AR’s raped in the face without anything but me countering saying “Prove it. Scan my stuff.”) and then continue to have the audacity to deny it – So I really dont think you have any basis for any claims on my military.

    It comes down to this – You lie like hell, even to Lindens – You’ve become what you accused me of doing and being, so really, you’re probably the most pathetic indivudals in the military scene right now. Nothing you say can be taken at face value, because even your stupid little attempts at lying and making things up to a higher authority fails. If you’re going to talk the talk, back it up or step down. If you’re going to try to degrade anything I’ve done with your own little arrogant comments, you have to prove it without a doubt beforehand.

    This is directed at the Merczateers, specifically – Get your heads out of the ground and fight your fight, instead of cowarding and trying to rely on Linden Labs with falsified claims to do it for you. I’m sorry you have to run to your mothers instead of defending yourselves.

    Really, people – Grow a pair and do things yourself, or dont even bother at all. It just makes you look like whiners and children.

    Also – I wont be reading any responses to this on this topic, but I will say feel free to comment on the huge VG Article thats coming up and going to shoot down all of your claims, accusations, etc with actual proof – Something you dont have.

    Peace- Christoph.
29. 

    Jumpman Lane
    

    Jul 22nd, 2008
    

    Damn Mafooz! U r a better man than me! Them turds threw ME outta the tardy lil clique, I’da sent back ALL their shit! Froze em& talked cold cash shit: “this is MY god damn sim! Get ya shit, pick up ya ass, & carry it!” Then again Mafooz u must b a moron n e way!
30. 

    *sighs*
    

    Jul 22nd, 2008
    

    Ethan – I’ve known you for a long time and this is getting ridiculous. By constantly arguing with insignificant jackasses like Bruno Ziskey and whatever that VGtard’s name is, you’re making the entire
    IS look bad. Bruno likes to BAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWW about things but what you’re doing is essentially the
    exact same, no matter how much more eloquently worded your whining is compared to his. Nobody gives a shit. You need to find another, NON-PUBLIC outlet to continue this crap. It’s to the point now where
    all either one of you is doing is enforcing the public’s opinion that the entire military community is
    a bunch of retards.
31. 

    parrhesian
    

    Jul 22nd, 2008
    

    “Because Karlhockey, Second Life is a GAME. Games are supposed to be FUN for everyone. You wouldn’t play football or race cars if the other guy always had more linebackers or a huge engine which you never have a chance to compete with. The same goes here, where the other person never has a chance to defend themselves against an enemy that’s 30 times their own size. You have likely never been on the receiving end of a swarm attack Karl, or if you have, you’ve forgotten what it’s like. A sense of fairness is what promotes respect in the SL military community.
    It would also seem that, surprisingly steve319 Cao is so far the only enemy Sparta has who has the balls to actually acknowledge that swarming is unfair and unnecessary. He recently IMed me saying that whenever UNIT attacks Sparta, it will not swarm but use even numbers honorably. Kinda makes you wonder that if someone who’s always criticized for his spelling and bad grammer has the brains to acknowledge that combat in SL should be fair, and then actually ACTS on that instead of just talking about it, then why arent the larger, more organized groups doing the same? Maybe they’re the ones low on brain power.”

    Or perhaps bruno its time to wake up and realize you cant play with the big boys, and go over and play with TCG, CSL, 10th mountain, danish mercenaries, the spaniards, and all the rest of the minor league militaries that populate the grid. Think about it your legos would probably give you an advantage, you
    wouldnt have to worry about swarm attacks because (just like you) most of them dont even have close to the numbers to field any more than 5 or 6 people at a time at the absolute most.
32. 

    Bruno Ziskey
    

    Jul 22nd, 2008
    

    Ethan, I’d highly advise you to reread what you posted to me. Among the sad excuses for why you’re supposedly better than Sparta, you keep on coming on as a bully, saying you’ll “wipe out Sparta” and such. Yet, I recall you accusing the AN of the same thing about a year or so ago. Perhaps you should look at yourself, and see the monster that you’ve become, the very thing you once defined the Alliance Navy as. Hypocrisy anyone? As it is, go ahead and swarm us, it’ll just prove how childish you are that you take a game so seriously that you threaten a guy you’ve never met before in RL or even talked to on Voice. And then I can ban you so more self controlled groups (yes, TCG are actually more self controlled than you, believe it or not) can find fun in coming to our sim to fight us. Please do go ahead, make an ass of yourself. I never threaten people on Second Life, as it’s pointless, childish, and it’s a game….the effort in doing so is a waste.

    As a last point, steve319 Cao has recently proven himself to not only having more brains, but more balls than you. He IMed me last week and said that he found Sparta’s code of not swarming or spawncamping to be much preferable for combat, and that UNIT would follow those codes of honor whenever engaging Sparta. I didn’t tell him he had to follow them, he simply IMed me saying they made sense and UNIT would follow that.
    He likely found this out when last month, Sparta came to UNIT’s base and attacked them with UNIT actually having not only a few more numbers defending, but aircraft, two of them, while Sparta had infantry and one mech. Not only did we get past them,(while having a challenging FUN fight, mind you) but when TPs started failing and many UNIT members started logging out due to RL reasons, leaving only Malcious Vulkovic behind, Sparta stood down, disarming and instead began to talk to Malcious in a friendly manner. Eventually, more UNIT members came on to the base, and we kept on having our friendly chat.
    And then, wonders of wonders, Ordo began coming to the base. They refused to make any contact with the Spartans, just remained silent, and surrounded us. After outnumbering us, the Ordo preceded to open fire at us, (shadowfang blessed, just an FYI), and then blamed it on UNIT, even though our collision HUDs told us differently. We came back, unarmed again and walked to the base, only to be cut down by Ordo only. I even saw a few UNIT members trying to shoot the Ordo to stop them…only to be shot by Ordo. It is a sad day when groups like Ordo and Mercz have to act like bullies to those who don’t follow the same combat rules. Do they do it to make themselves feel better and to try to shut us up, to make it seem like we’re the stupid ones? Yes, they do, or rather, you do. Having a huge group isn’t my goal in SL, it’s to just fight and not cheat while doing it. That’s all. You want to act like an idiot and publicly humiliate yourself by picking on those smaller than you? Go ahead, but in the end, your own people, like Takkun Gray and Heather (sorry, I cant remember her last name, Takkun would know) would keep their views of how SL combat as of late is going down the toilet due to abuse of group size and power.
    Bottom line: You want to seem different from the AN? Stop acting like they did then, stop fighting without bending every rule you can and make enemy groups respect you not through fear, but through fighting more fair. I’ve already convinced one enemy that our way is better, what can you do?
33. 

    Plaz Etzel
    

    Jul 22nd, 2008
    

    Ethan is a cockfag, he argues with people about retarded shit that happened months ago that he assumes still remains, and he isn’t even in an actual army.

    @Bruno: Unban me pl0x? Being a mech isn’t a valid reason to ban someone, being a total noob is okay, you just shouldn’t ban people due to your lack of skill.
34. 

    Pauleh Kamachi
    

    Jul 22nd, 2008
    

    There is no other RP place, or community in SL that has the amazing minds/builders/scripters etc that we have in SL militaries, if people would just swallow their pride and seriously think of SL as a game rather than just saying it then we would have somthing amazing on our hands.

    Till then, everyone can bitch at each other, ban, harass, abuse, etc at the end of the day chances are SL will be dead in a year or two when other games come out with this much freedom, and chances are all of theses groups will be gone so you may as well make the most of it now.
35. 

    Ann Nonimus
    

    Jul 22nd, 2008
    

    hey pauleh, what happened to grid army btw ?
36. 

    Ethan Schuman
    

    Jul 22nd, 2008
    

    Oooh, seems like Zrazor may actually be able to stand on his own feet. This must be a new breed of Vantard. Alright, you want to play? Let’s rock.

    
    -Well, while spies normally don’t do much (besides convince AN members to join Mercz), they can occasionally be used for comical purposes, such as disrupting STABLE meetings. Gotta give you props, Christoph. For all the chaos that alt caused and as bad as he made you look, you were quite quick to invite him back.

    “Y’know, I find it a bit flattering that you’re so concerned about what we’re up to. Really warms my cockles. But if you really want to know what’s up, you could just ask to come hang out sometime. We’re actually really nice people. :3″
    -Yup. So nice that your leader took Vasili Debevec’s models that Tangent gave him and leaked them all across the grid. Sure, he leaked Tangent’s models. While it might have been on the shady side, Tangent gave consent, so that’s fine. But leaking Vasili’s things was over the line, without question.

    “The Ordo is led by a fellow who could apparently only keep his Praetorians from fornicating in his office by removing it entirely, and, if what I’ve heard from multiple sources is to be believed, engaged in some pretty racy activities with a notably underage Grave Irata/Synth Fhang/whatever at the last Anthrocon. Those events alone, in my opinion, are lulzy enough to beat anything you could ever dig up on VG.”
    -While it’s normally extremely entertaining to listen to Vantards try to talk about furry stuff in Ordo, I’m just going to reply with this: “Squawk, Ace Merit!” Yeah, that’s right. Snowmew loves his KFC. If you’re too young to the scene to know what that means, then you’d be better off leaving that subject alone, as I guarantee you there’s SO much more furfag crap on Christoph than you can begin to try to pin on Ordo.

    “However, you have to consider that a lot of people will join any given military and then just not do anything, and as such, you have the issue of active membership versus overall membership. This is such a vague issue for all parties involved that I’m not even going to touch it.”
    -That actually is a valid point I was about to bring up. I’ll agree with you on that one.

    “Congratulations on possessing all the wit and originality of a plastic keychain purchased from Spencer’s Gifts dangling from the backpack zipper of an overweight high school lesbian who wears black nail polish and listens to Death Cab for Cutie, and/or a bumper sticker on the back of an irate college libertarian’s white ’03 Dodge Neon, right next to a decal of Calvin of Calvin and Hobbes urinating on something. You’re a goddamn genius.”
    -Actually, the meaning of that statement is not one of “OMFG i haet evuree1″, but rather “I hate no group more than any other”. Yeah, I’ll make a gay joke about your leader, and then turn around and crack on Lurdan for being Canadian. Of course, the comedic irony of a Vanguard member trying to call someone else out on making fun of groups simply because it’s trendy isn’t lost on me. Nice try though.

    ———————————————-
    Bruno, please don’t mistake my desire to see Sparta have a competent leader as a threat against you as a person. It really is funny, you know. You actually do have some good ideas. But you’re too busy trying to thump your chest with your group that to this day I’ve never seen have twenty members on simultaneously to actually accomplish the goals you aim for. I make fun of you because you’re an easy target, and you deserve it. The moment you decide to mellow out and come to the tables with a mature, respectful attitude is the day we’ll start treating you in that way. We’ll treat you exactly how you treat us. Parrot AN’s little line about the Emo Alliance, and the Leonidas Burger King mask will find its way into more and more situations, and eventually, we’ll just start coming into your sim again and showing you firsthand why it’s a bad idea to keep messing with a group you have no chance of defeating, even with silly little “NO SWARMING!” rules.

    It’s really up to you, Bruno. Try to posture all you like, but it’s only going to lead to your ass getting kicked in the end. Why you insist on thumping your chest when you could, with MUCH less effort, actually be getting assistance from the Iron Symphony in building your military up, and making friends in the process. I would gladly talk to you in voice, or in RL if the situation presented itself, but judging by your typical reaction of “OMFG NOEZ MUTE!” whenever a point you can’t refute comes up, it would likely be a very short conversation.
37. 

    Zrazor Rozenstrauch
    

    Jul 23rd, 2008
    

    I’d just like to take a moment to thank you, Ethan, for engaging in this ridiculously lengthy dialog with me over these past few days. It’s been an absolute blast, and I hope you’ve had as much fun with it as I’ve had (assuming it you’re done responding and it doesn’t get even longer). You’re a hell of a guy.

    Also, I’d like you to know that I take nothing personally from anything pertaining to the SL military scene, and I intend nothing personal toward anyone else, no matter how it may look. To me, the drama and the shitstorming and the politics and the gossip are all just part of the game (perhaps the most attractive part of the game for me), and it’s how I get my kicks.

    Heil Fuhrer Naumova, Herrshaft durch Kraft, und gute nacht.
38. 

    Zrazor Rozenstrauch
    

    Jul 23rd, 2008
    

    Anyway, since the comment directly above my last one wasn’t there when I posted it, scratch that bit about assuming it’s not continuing, and we can move on:

    “Oooh, seems like Zrazor may actually be able to stand on his own feet. This must be a new breed of Vantard. Alright, you want to play? Let’s rock.”

    This is why they put me in the Elite Bracket. >:D

    “Well, while spies normally don’t do much (besides convince AN members to join Mercz), they can occasionally be used for comical purposes, such as disrupting STABLE meetings. Gotta give you props, Christoph. For all the chaos that alt caused and as bad as he made you look, you were quite quick to invite him back.”

    Huh, haven’t heard the story behind that one, really can’t comment.

    “Yup. So nice that your leader took Vasili Debevec’s models that Tangent gave him and leaked them all across the grid. Sure, he leaked Tangent’s models. While it might have been on the shady side, Tangent gave consent, so that’s fine. But leaking Vasili’s things was over the line, without question.”

    If someone handed you all of VG’s guns, uniforms, and vehicles full-perms, I guarantee you’d do the same thing with gusto, and don’t even act like you wouldn’t.

    I think you’re just mad because we did it to you and you haven’t been able to do it to us because Chris is not nearly so careless as to who he entrusts with stuff or who he pisses off.

    “While it’s normally extremely entertaining to listen to Vantards try to talk about furry stuff in Ordo, I’m just going to reply with this: “Squawk, Ace Merit!” Yeah, that’s right. Snowmew loves his KFC. If you’re too young to the scene to know what that means, then you’d be better off leaving that subject alone, as I guarantee you there’s SO much more furfag crap on Christoph than you can begin to try to pin on Ordo.”

    I’m just about eight months into the scene, fyi.

    Yes, I’m perfectly familiar with all the stories and Encyclopedia Dramatica crap on him. But in all the time I’ve ever been in VG, I’ve never seen any evidence whatsoever indicating that any of it’s true.

    But y’know, I sure as shit haven’t ever seen a video of Christoph acting like a ning nong in a fucking dog suit on Youtube, and I think that makes him a lot less of a furfag than Aryte.

    Seriously, I know you’ve looked at my profile in-world, and I know you know what my av looks like, but in spite of that, I can’t abide by fursuiting (or really any kind of RL lifestyle furry crap) in any way because that shit is just mad fucking creepy. ;[

    “That actually is a valid point I was about to bring up. I’ll agree with you on that one.”

    Glad to see we can at least agree on something.

    Vanguard is actually going to have a way of measuring this in the near future. We’re getting special servers that measure just how much time each member spends on base. We’ll be able to tell the non-active members from the active ones based on how much total time they’ve racked up, the last time they were on base, and a lot of other information like that. It’ll play a factor in rank requirements as well. I’d say that every military ought to have this for the purposes of keeping track of how big it is in comparison to the others, but:

    -A good leader already has a good idea of how much manpower and capability his army has.

    -It doesn’t necessarily matter how big a military is because, if Mercz is any indication, bigger does not always mean better.

    “Actually, the meaning of that statement is not one of “OMFG i haet evuree1″, but rather “I hate no group more than any other”. Yeah, I’ll make a gay joke about your leader, and then turn around and crack on Lurdan for being Canadian. Of course, the comedic irony of a Vanguard member trying to call someone else out on making fun of groups simply because it’s trendy isn’t lost on me. Nice try though.”

    Clearly you’ve missed my point.

    The most common wording for this phrase is “I’m not prejudiced; I hate everyone equally.”

    I know exactly what it means because it’s one of those things un-clever assholes say when they’re pretending to be funny. I’ve seen and heard it a million different places, and whether or not you actually do practice this philosophy (the fact that you seem to have any friends at all indicates not), it’s still a retarded, cliche choice of wording printed on ten million t-shirts worn by fat women at the mall trying to distract from their poor body image by having OMG-ATTITUDE.

    But really, if you rip on people for things like their sexual orientation or their nationality, is it so hard for you to envision someone doing the same based on skin color or whatever? Plaz is always ripping on me for being gay/a furry/a gay furry (yep), and I just retort by taking a crack at him for being Asian, and then we’re even. Good times had by all. Obviously, you can understand this. Now throw in some rather less-than-accepted epithets (typically directed ironically at people who are white) here and there purely for shock humor, and you’ve got the real motivation behind Vanguard’s “racism.” It’s one of those things you can’t take seriously.

    And on a side note, Christoph and I both voted for Barack Obama when he was running for Senator of Illinois back in 2006, and in the Democratic primaries. Would we have done that if we were actually racist?

    And now, in an abrupt change of direction, this little exchange has been going on for four or five days now. If it’s alright with you, I think it would be easier if I just IM’d you in-world or something and we continued this debate directly. I think I’ll be doing that tomorrow afternoon when I get off work.

    Ciao.
39. 

    Steve319 cao
    

    Jul 23rd, 2008
    

    It would seem that if SL combat is to evolve and sort itself out because lets face it , it sucks at the moment.

    Ethan I understand what your trying to do but the way your going about it is wrong threatening to overwhelm them just because you can,and Bruno you need to start talking to the Mercz and Ordo even if you don’t get anywhere with it at least you can say you’ve tried , hell if we are able to talk on civil terms I think its fair to say you probably dislike me as much as Ethan.

    A dialog needs to be opened up somewhere along the lines here
    and maybe a new set of rules established and monitored from an external party anyways thats my opinion it may be missing the odd punctuation mark here or there but I happen to believe you dont need a degree in English to have one so anyone who wants to take a shot at it go ahead.

    Steve319 Cao
40. 

    Pauleh Kamachi
    

    Jul 23rd, 2008
    

    “hey pauleh, what happened to grid army btw ?”

    The bitching between the armies had become so stupid, it felt like there was really no more fun in doing it, but now im happy where im at.
41. 

    Bruno Ziskey
    

    Jul 23rd, 2008
    

    “Bruno, please don’t mistake my desire to see Sparta have a competent leader as a threat against you as a person. It really is funny, you know. You actually do have some good ideas. But you’re too busy trying to thump your chest with your group that to this day I’ve never seen have twenty members on simultaneously to actually accomplish the goals you aim for.”

    Ethan, I don’t take your threats personally, I just find it funny how you’re willing to try to threaten ANYONE simply because they play different from you. That’s all. I’d also like to know what these “goals” are that you say that I’m aiming for, that evidently require a large amount of people. I don’t play SL to become super huge and powerful, I’m just here to fight. Kthanxbai.
42. 

    Ethan Schuman
    

    Jul 23rd, 2008
    

    “Huh, haven’t heard the story behind that one, really can’t comment.”
    -Ask Christoph himself about it. Or Kekken for that matter. It’s not like either of them will deny it. I mean, rag on Aryte all you want for having a YouTube video up, but at least he never caught the sexually transmitted variant of bird flu. Also, I can’t say the one time I looked at your profile I really paid much attention to it, but since I haven’t seen you trying to hump every male within ten sims while screaming about how much you hate furfags, you haven’t reached the hypocrisy level needed to get me to bring those guns to aim on you. Christoph’s sexuality isn’t the reason he’s ridiculed, it’s how he professes to hate gay furries so much, when he’s one of the biggest ones on the grid, kind of like a black KKK member.

    “If someone handed you all of VG’s guns, uniforms, and vehicles full-perms, I guarantee you’d do the same thing with gusto, and don’t even act like you wouldn’t.”
    -Funny you should mention that, as I was given that exact opportunity, on multiple times. Aircraft frames, mechs, weapons, armor, and even a copy of the John Stark build. While some of those got out through other people, there are quite a few things of Vanguard’s that haven’t left my inventory. If you catch me in world, I’ll show you a few of them sometime.

    “I know exactly what it means because it’s one of those things un-clever assholes say when they’re pretending to be funny. I’ve seen and heard it a million different places, and whether or not you actually do practice this philosophy (the fact that you seem to have any friends at all indicates not), it’s still a retarded, cliche choice of wording printed on ten million t-shirts worn by fat women at the mall trying to distract from their poor body image by having OMG-ATTITUDE.”
    -I actually probably should ammend that statement, as there are a handful of people who have drawn my wrath on a personal level. However, for the most part, I’ll rag on people for a ton of different reasons, and I do not make myself an exception to that. You should hear me go off on Irish people sometime, which is my own heritage. But race is one area I will not touch. Don’t believe me? Ask any Merczateer who was a member during my time as a General. The N word, even in jest, earned anyone who used it a one day ban from Ventrilo, even officers. Further occurrences led to disciplinary action. Call that “SRSBZNS” if you want, but I’ve never found anything funny about racist humor. As for not having friends, well, I’ll just laugh at another display of lack of knowledge, or a pathetic attempt at an insult, whichever the case may be.

    “And now, in an abrupt change of direction, this little exchange has been going on for four or five days now. If it’s alright with you, I think it would be easier if I just IM’d you in-world or something and we continued this debate directly. I think I’ll be doing that tomorrow afternoon when I get off work.”
    -Sure, that’d be fine. I have nine hours of class on Thursdays though, so it’ll probably have to wait until Friday. And yes, just like you, nothing’s personal. Shitkicking is what makes this fun. =p
43. 

    Zrazor Rozenstrauch
    

    Jul 24th, 2008
    

    “Ask Christoph himself about it. Or Kekken for that matter. It’s not like either of them will deny it.”

    Okey dokey.

    “I mean, rag on Aryte all you want for having a YouTube video up, but at least he never caught the sexually transmitted variant of bird flu.”

    No sexually transmitted disease could ever be so horrid as the disease of the mind that would possess someone to put on a fursuit. D:

    “Also, I can’t say the one time I looked at your profile I really paid much attention to it, but since I haven’t seen you trying to hump every male within ten sims while screaming about how much you hate furfags, you haven’t reached the hypocrisy level needed to get me to bring those guns to aim on you.”

    You’d be correct. Right now I’m only humping one, but I’m still running around screaming about how I hate furfags, not because I actually do, but it’s just kind of a schtick. I happen to find ironic hyperbole (hyperbolic irony?) to be incredibly amusing.

    “Christoph’s sexuality isn’t the reason he’s ridiculed, it’s how he professes to hate gay furries so much, when he’s one of the biggest ones on the grid”

    It’s not hypocritical if you don’t actually mean it and you’re just doing it for the lulz.

    “kind of like a black KKK member.”
    http://www.realvideosite.com/Comedy_102_Dave-Chapelle—Black-white-supremacist-clip

    “Funny you should mention that, as I was given that exact opportunity, on multiple times. Aircraft frames, mechs, weapons, armor, and even a copy of the John Stark build. While some of those got out through other people, there are quite a few things of Vanguard’s that haven’t left my inventory. If you catch me in world, I’ll show you a few of them sometime.”

    I’m gonna guess it’s nothing we use anymore. That’s like me bragging about having one of those old copybotted Uriels that everyone’s been passing around for as long as I can remember.

    “I actually probably should ammend that statement, as there are a handful of people who have drawn my wrath on a personal level. However, for the most part, I’ll rag on people for a ton of different reasons, and I do not make myself an exception to that. You should hear me go off on Irish people sometime, which is my own heritage. But race is one area I will not touch. Don’t believe me? Ask any Merczateer who was a member during my time as a General. The N word, even in jest, earned anyone who used it a one day ban from Ventrilo, even officers. Further occurrences led to disciplinary action. Call that “SRSBZNS” if you want, but I’ve never found anything funny about racist humor. As for not having friends, well, I’ll just laugh at another display of lack of knowledge, or a pathetic attempt at an insult, whichever the case may be.”

    You’re still no getting it. :/

    I don’t care who you rag on or what you do or don’t find funny, the phrase “I’m not prejudiced; I hate everyone equally” offends my sense of humor. >:[

    Also, you can rag on Irish people while being of Irish descent, but Chris can’t bash gay furries?

    “Sure, that’d be fine. I have nine hours of class on Thursdays though, so it’ll probably have to wait until Friday. And yes, just like you, nothing’s personal. Shitkicking is what makes this fun. =p”

    Friday it is then, I s’pose.
44. 

    Lolz
    

    Jul 24th, 2008
    

    “Also – I wont be reading any responses to this on this topic, but I will say feel free to comment on the huge VG Article thats coming up and going to shoot down all of your claims, accusations, etc with actual proof – Something you dont have.”

    1 – Whoever is writing this article might want to be very, very careful when using Christoph as a source of anything but endless laughter at the stupidity of mankind. He’s a pathological liar, and an egomaniacal narcissist with a fixation on fascism and national socialism. Nobody who knows him can deny any of that if they’re being honest.
45. 

    Vegna Fouroux
    

    Jul 26th, 2008
    

    oh joy.

    I have an alt in VG I couldn’t really care less about dual enlistment (the merczateers don’t take it seriously either as long as lurdan is aware who the alt is) lots of your officers are in your enlisted tier still as well how can you take any accurate reading of numbers at all.
46. 

    [O-M-G]
    

    Jul 27th, 2008
    

    Okay… anyone noticed the topic of the article and the topics being discussed in the comments section….?

    Just though i’d say that.
47. 

    Eye Korobase
    

    Jul 27th, 2008
    

    To end the whole flame war.
    Ethan, you will never change what bruno thinks, because he has brain washed himself into thinking things that are not true. I suggest you do not fight him in anymore flame wars, because never between you both changes nor does the agureing ever change topics or etc.

    I agree with OMG’s last statement. Let’s please stay with the actual story, instand of going off on different agurements.

    With Vegna’s comment. I do agree with you there. The funny thing is that merczs do not care who’s alt is in what army, but they do care when the alt comes and fights their base, because most times the attackers push in deep into Sala.

    Speaking of alts. Ordo had to go off and have a alt attack against PSC yesterday. Aryte was the first to come on one of his alts, using titan inc. weapons and the Ordo hud. Then 2 different Ordo alts came and attacked, again using titan inc weapons and ordo huds. I find it very funny that Ordo is most likely THE most hated SL military there is. Even Merczs and MC do not like them much. O here is something the Herald has not covered yet. Ordo is making alts and putting them in merczs to watch them and see if they do anything wrong. I just love how they act, so stuck-up and better then everyone. Their weapons are the lagest, way worst then VGs. Also, they treat their members like shit if they are human, unless they are in the “cicrle” with high command and are well liked. Basicly, it is a requirement to be a furry now in ordo, unless you do not what to get high up in ranks.
    Also, what I have said about ordo are not rumors, they are pure fact. I was there for 4 months and saw all the BS that happened there.
48. 

    Steve319 cao
    

    Jul 28th, 2008
    

    Eye I respect most of your opinions but in this case what came out of your mouth is utter bullshit, I had a brief spell in ordo
    and it was only due to the fact that I didn’t have time to complete my schola training that I didn’t pursue a career there.

    I found ordo members to be helpful, respectful, and professional and I was a human not a fury for the record.

    Not wishing to get into an argument with you on the subject but I also disagree with the Ordo being the most hated group on the grid I would firmly place that title at Christophs doors.
49. 

    Karlhockey Forte
    

    Jul 28th, 2008
    

    @Eye

    Right.
50. 

    Eye Korobase
    

    Jul 28th, 2008
    

    Steve319
    They respect you, because your a well known Military leader. Try being someone else and you’ll see how they act. Also, Christoph is nothing compared with Jim, nanao, and Harl. Christoph maybe more hated then most people within Merczs, but Let me tell you, Ordo hate AN with a passion. I remember, at least 1 and 2 times a week They would just make insults and say this and that about the AN high command and how they sucked and everything. There is more Drama within the whole IR then there is with the VG and PSC allies and even with AI.
    I respect you right to want to defend ordo, but you get tired of defending them when they go behind your back and backstab you. One thing you should know about them is; is once your an ordo and you leave Ordo, you will never have their same respect nor the same treatment as you did as a Ordo. I remember a time when I was friends with Karl and Aryte and pretty much all of the Ordo at the time, but the second I lefted. They were disrespectful to me, unfriended me, killed me more then they would a foe, and got me banned from titan, just because I had a quote from Aelus in my picks that he said was SO true about Ordo. Just keep in mind Steve that nou everything you see with your eyes is alway the truth

    Karlhockey
    I am suprised you could not come up with anything to even defend yourself with, not even a try. Didn’t even try and disprove anything I said, so that can only mean that I am 100% right.

Leave a Reply