Corsi Mousehold: JLU Are Power Hungry Crazed Nutjobs
by Alphaville Herald on 09/03/10 at 12:38 pm
[Corsi Mousehold has been awarded the “commie” or comment-of-the-week award for her explanation of why the Justice League Unlimited superheros are not welcome in Furnation. The award winning comment is reproduced below. ]
Here’s a bit of a story. IN years past the JLU were a welcomed member of the FurNation community. They didn’t bother anyone and no one really bothered them. That was until we were under a griefer attack and the JLU came over to ‘assist’ and the first thing they did was report ME to the lab for griefing. They approached me and yelled at me for causing the issue. I asked them why they reported me of all people. By this time I had already deleted all the offensive material. They told me that I was the one putting it all out and they had seen me doing it. Basically they had watched me selecting objects to return them. They were extremely rude to me at the time and informed me that they would have reports go up on me. I contacted Kalel and he too said I was being reported and then for harassment as well. I was not rude to these people at all. It was several days later that I was contacted by Kalel informing me that the ‘charges’ had been dropped because they did not realize I was the sim owner. My response of course was to point to the info hub I had in the center of the sandbox that had my name clearly displayed as the sim owner and if his comrades had taken a moment to look they would have seen I was in the admin team.
He called me ungrateful and abuse reported me again. I was informed of this by him as well as he had several of his friends make the same report. All reports were dismissed by the GOV team as illegitimate. Soon I had JLU members ‘patrolling’ the sandboxes and abuse reporting anyone that they felt was disobeying my rules. They started to get several members of my community banned. I was forced to add a new sim rule that the JLU were not allowed in the sim for any reason. When they had seen this, I was reported again for griefing. Again the report was dismissed.
In the end I was approached months later by Green Lantern Corps asking if it was okay for them to be there. They apologized for the treatment the JLU had given me and asked if they would be allowed to just come and build.
Green Lantern Corps are allowed to visit and act if they wish. But they are not allowed to be in tag or act as a part of the Corps while visiting. If they are the subject of a griefing they are to come to me and I would take care of it. They can then file all the reports they like.
In the end the JLU are a bunch of power hungry crazed nutjobs that think being an SL Police force gives them the right to get away with whatever they want. The GLC on the other hand have always been very respectful to me and my residents.
Judge Joker
Apr 22nd, 2010
Most mentors are not like me I’m particularly passionate about what I do and can back it up, now I know there was a few who involved themselves with your cause and got themselves burned for it, I know the name of one and I wont post it here but you all should know who I am talking about, so now your seeing the other side of the coin you threw when you tried to flip people off to believe in your falsehoods.
I have more respect for TUX than I do for you, and that must be saying something, but he gets the same fairly unbalanced treatment you do and I have never been a member of any group seeking to fight for what stormfront.org supports but I am well aware of what they are about, but I don’t care if TUX is a member or not because right now he fights to protect second life’s fundamental rights of it’s residents like “Vakesh Ishtari” who only comes here to attack and slander him.
Basic rights are not to be stalked, harassed, doxed or slandered by groups like the JLU and assholes like you, who can’t verbally fight there way out of a paper bag, and what he fights for on another day is none of my business, the world is fucked up enough without me joining any of stormfront’s crusades of which I don’t subscribe to their point of view so let’s stick to the main theme of Second Life issues Vakesh.
Neither you nor the JLU have the legal backing of Linden Labs or the state of California to commit Cyberstalking or policing against any Second Life resident. And just because you have not been perma banned or arrested in real life at this point does not mean they support your actions, if you had not noticed Linden Labs tries to cover up what you do at every turn and don’t publicise you or the JLU as being able to respond to residents needs on a case by case basis.
Like “We” says wearing tights and owning a Sim called “Justice Island” does not empower you with any more rights than any other resident, unless it’s within the TOS for the rights empowered to you by Linden Labs for paying for some land, which is now server space and not really land at all and not extending outside it or against other residents.
Judge Joker
Apr 22nd, 2010
If you have not noticed your beloved lover Kalel has been spouting its perfectly legal to collect data on people, and store it for use later so if he is setting the precedent bar of what we should expect in an online war then me suggesting the following is only a little less than what he suggests and does, and I find your attempt you brand me as a Cyberstalker a cheap shot, go back to school or the teen grid then come back when your mature enough to think up a descent insult.
Now for more truth guess what?
The Second Life viewer allows you to legally know who’s near you, don’t believe me? go and fucking look at the side bar under the NEARBY tab, which shows you who’s near you this is provided by Linden Labs to replace the need for scan HUD scripts which cause lag.
But how many people still use an avatar scanner HUD? thousands and how many use products to protect their land which contain scans and reports a user has been at that location? thousands, there is a big difference between using a script to protect yourself and inject a little humor into the situation of you being Cyberstalked, and using a script to actually attack and fully document someone, so take your head out your superhero helmet stop jerking off for 5mins over your fake wonder woman and learn the fucking difference…. you fucking class A moron.
Knowing when someone is near you and publishing that to a web page in the form of a game is not Cyberstalking, the fact is if someone like GLE or JLU members are Cyberstalking you then it’s within your legal rights to be alerted to such behaviour in your area, before they commit a crime the same way it’s legal to know who’s on your land, systems that know when you have been somewhere and store it outside Second Life if used for benign purposes is not Cyberstalking, it becomes Cyberstalking when you and the JLU members dig online to find out more about someone then was provided in their profiles that was only to be used for general reading and not documenting people and loading that information into a wikipedia for harassment later.
Now to fully explain what I said about posting it to a twitter type page, go fuck yourself if you can’t take your head out your ass for one moment to realise your only effect in Second Life has been to push other residents to war against you, I’ll be happy to be the first ex-second life mentor telling the truth and fighting back against your retarded views with the truth of the TOS on my side.
@everyone else
If you have any issue with me saying I was a mentor and still do work on projects like that and somewhat support the case presented here, keep it to yourself because it’s never been a badge or I would have been well known.
Ted
Apr 23rd, 2010
I love the whiners that confuse privacy with real world technology.
Have a look at RL privacy. It’s a good link, youtube. Take a look at the truth for a change.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrontojPWEE
Judge Joker
Apr 23rd, 2010
@Ted
“This video contains content from Current TV LLC, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.” But a friend looked at it and told me it’s the google toilet video I all ready knew about.
Well that’s because people use googles service, and voluntarily give away that data in the TOS they agreed by, the JLU are not a service we do use Second Life as a service, but there is a TOS that is supposed to prevent cyberstalking by groups like the JLU.
So yes we will continue to moan about it because it’s part of our fundamental right to give away only what we wish, not to have it taken from behind our backs.
GreenLantern Excelsior
Apr 23rd, 2010
@ Judge Joker
God bless you.
Ted
Apr 23rd, 2010
@Judge Joker,
On the back of the computer, towards the top there is a black power cord that connects to the power supply. Just unplug that. That is the best Internet Privacy Policy I’ve found thus far in 20 years.
You wrote:
“The JLU are not a service we do use Second Life as a service, but there is a TOS that is supposed to prevent cyberstalking by groups like the JLU”
If you use SL, you have to agree to the non protection of consumer rights provided by Linden. This includes their Privacy Policy, TOS, and pretty much all they write.
Cyberstalking is a very serious crime. Griefing and harassing in SL would hardly constitute cyberstalking. You are giving this JLU group far too much thought. Again, revert to the power cord rule, cancel the SL account., or file an A/R with Linden.
If you have “serious” and “real” issues with someone gaining access to real life information, “IP” through the Linden service, or access to your accounts or account information, credit card or other personal real life information stored on Linden servers, contact Linden with the issues via phone. They are less than helpful, but at least you’ll have more willingness to use the cancel account link in the member area.
Sad you couldn’t see the google vid, it’s very funny, yet somehow upsetting and true.
Tux Winkler
Apr 23rd, 2010
Well said Judge Joker.
And what shouldn’t I post, It’s Unfixable? The sightings? I will check with a friendly Linden to be sure, but I don’t think it is a breach of TOS. I wasn’t banned for exporting data, it was the method I connected to the grid =)
And Vakesh, seriously, because I rented a sim to a group of nationalists, you want me to become one? But I was renting and I will defend my tenant/s beliefs and right to privacy.
This story though has been flogged harder by you guys then the rest of us has the JLU. Remember, as I was the founder of the group I saw everyone’s roles, and your mighty leader Jocephus was an officer who (several times) approached me asking to be an owner of the group, as his ideals and morals could progress the group further. Back then I explained the group was formed for land management and people’s ideals was of now importance.
Trying secretly to take a group out from its owner is morals and ideals?
IntLibber Brautigan
Apr 23rd, 2010
@Ted
Sorry, that doesn’t hunt. Linden Lab is not a sovereign entity free to make up its own law arbitrarily free of compliance with US Constitution, statute, regulation and jurisprudence. It has been serially violating the property and speech rights of its residents, contrary to the protections of Marsh vs Alabama, for several years now.
The gears of the law is slow, but sure. Keep your eyes on this site…
Ted
Apr 23rd, 2010
Oh geez, It’s Intblubber,
Don’t you have another empire or two you need to lose? You know, while your ramble on making statements that have nothing to do with anything I stated?
No one said Linden was above the laws here. Between you and Prok, well… never mind.
Ted
Apr 23rd, 2010
Sorry about that Brautigan. It’s just not all that exciting to hear any feedback at all from, ex SL bank fraudsters who cannot hold on to a small land baron empires. You know, complete SL failures.
I tend to like to apply my efforts in communications with those with a proven track record of success. Honest individuals who would put forth the effort to make SL a wonderful place to visit if Linden didn’t own the company.
Gaara Sandalwood
Apr 23rd, 2010
I’m putting this here, I don’t want to spam the new article about Demer with arguments.
I read the article GLE posted the link to in the Demer article. ‘Twas poor. For starters, a few of the pics, such as the Sparta raid, are really old. So is the pic at the bottom. Actually, all of the pics from WU in SL in that article are old, from at least a couple years ago, unless I am slightly mistaken. The top pic I am not certain of, the one that seems to be of Ravenglass, but the rest are old.
It’s basically bringing up PAST shit about WU in that aspect. It’s not using recent pictures, but rather old pics that contribute better to the article’s purpose. It’s only meaning from what I can tell is to utterly bash a group/rl educational facility that the writers seemed to have barely scratched the true surface of.
I mean, they showed that long, well worded quote by Clift then just slapped a few sentences into the article after that about how, for reasons I’m obviously not seeing here, he’s a sociopath.
The article itself is also making the absolute decree that the WU mass ban was likely due to LL getting tired of continuing raids(…what raids?).
And finally, why did GLE have to post it there? Or at all? And openly declare it was his favorite article out of anything written on WU as of late?
Tux Winkler
Apr 25th, 2010
As people may or may not know it is election time in the UK. Personally, I know little about politics (to wrapped up in my own world). So I always vote for a party called ‘Monster Raving Loony Party’, and as their manifesto is out I thought I would share one policy which seems applicable here:
“Good Heroes – Make it illegal for super heroes to use their powers for evil.”
Taken from: http://www.loonyparty.com/
Judge Joker
Apr 28th, 2010
Cultivating Good Relations in FurNation
Getting Aquainted:
“Make it part of your routine to be there even a short while a day or a couple times a week. It all adds up. ”
Sandbox FurNation Vista:
“If someone suspicious happens along, review his or her profile, make any incident reports needed but hold off on abuse reports until the need actually arises.”
“Restraint and a low-key approach are the key here. We need to keep our presence in the sandbox minimal and passive. ”
Keep the long term goal in mind:
“The main thing to keep in mind is that our goal here is not to be embraced as friends or even to enlist the furries as allies.”
The Final Word:
“You can patrol, but keep the numbers small and do not intervene unless the sandbox or other region is actually under attack. ”
http://jlu.sl4.me/BrainiacWiki/page_290.htm
GreenLantern Excelsior
Apr 28th, 2010
If you had the entire page including History, you could see that the date stamp on the last revision is 14:27, 8 May 2007. If you had the “Patrol Routes” page from Bwiki, you could see that all Furnation sims were listed under the category of “Off Limits.”
We
Apr 28th, 2010
I do find this kinda funny though:
“Indeed, furries are the most inoffensive and least violent residents of SL, which probably enhances their appeal as targets in the minds of griefers.”
Since there are a lot of furries in the various griefer groups that JLU is constantly after.
We
Apr 28th, 2010
Also it shows that (at least at the time), the JLU still didn’t understand why Griefers do what they do. They don’t go after “innocent and non-violent” residents, they go after dramatic residents who’re likely to scream and shout about the griefing, making big dramatic reactions and freaking out so they can laugh at them. And THAT is something furries are known for, certainly not for “their acceptance and tolerance”, which is pretty much untrue as well.
Tux Winkler
Apr 28th, 2010
GLE, make it public then?
Or wait for another rip.
Gaara Sandalwood
Apr 28th, 2010
Why am I not surprised that the only time I’m actually mentioned in Krypton Radio(in a recent edit to that WU banned article), I’m given the honorific “Woodbury raiding party member” before my name? Meh.
IntLibber Brautigan
Apr 28th, 2010
Don’t feel bad, Gaara, their wiki claims I’m a griefer too, even though I’ve never griefed anybody, and I’ve done a lot more over the years than the JLU at reducing/eliminating organized griefing. My page in their wiki is one huge joke.
At this point, outside of the JLU and Proks hallucination-based abuse reports, the only griefing abuse reports going on in SL are generally single person stalking or other harassment based on either personal/romantic conflicts, or else immature response to competition. But that sort of crap is going to happen anyways and results from people either being immature about dealing with being on the losing end of something, or else individuals being unprofessional in how they deal with people.
David McNaughten
Apr 28th, 2010
Is this the same IntLibber Brautigan who used to get banned from Soviet Woodbury for masturbating on open mike and left them holding the bag to the tune of fifteen thousand dollars to move back in with his mom?
Judge Joker
Apr 28th, 2010
@GLE if you had half a brain you would see it’s an active page last modified from 2007 and still listed under Category: Training
When you pull up a category in a wiki it will list all the pages, a new recruit would see “Cultivating Good Relations in FurNation” under Training!
http://jlu.sl4.me/BrainiacWiki/page_290.htm
A new recruit might be confused with the fact your control room has scripts checking on the sims, and a training page with a long term goal stating.
Keep the long term goal in mind:
“The main thing to keep in mind is that our goal here is not to be embraced as friends or even to enlist the furries as allies.”
So I very much doubt they would worry about that one patrol page in the heat of the moment, as you and your members seem to be doing what ever it takes to reach your goals.
The Final Word:
“You can patrol, but keep the numbers small and do not intervene unless the sandbox or other region is actually under attack. ”
Infomations still being collected: on Furnation activities
Sun Apr 19 17:58:56 2009
“I fucking quit. The sandboxes will be paid for but screw it. If you have a problem from now in take with Robby and let him deal with the stress.”
Category: Training
So 2007 you plan to scam furries into being on your side but don’t want them as friends or even to enlist the furries as allies.
So what does that make us in your eyes? pathetic babies whom can’t look after ourselves?
WE’RE FUCKING ADULTS YOU PIECE OF SHIT, WE KNOW HOW TO EJECT AND FUCKING BAN.
Judge Joker
Apr 28th, 2010
http://jlu.sl4.me/BrainiacWiki/page_290.htm
Categories: Patriotic Nigras | Intelligence
2009 your still listing in on what staff changes happen at Furnation, in the hope that you might be able to get in to work your scam magic over the new admin? http://jlu.sl4.me/BrainiacWiki/page_284.htm
An active page on FurNation Vista:
“This is an exceptionally good place to wander about and meet the community, as well as to gain intelligence”
“JLU operatives should keep their presence as small and as unobtrusive as possible.”
http://jlu.sl4.me/BrainiacWiki/page_461.htm
I would not consider the patrol page as anything but a get out of trouble card, the rest of your wiki speaks volumes for your long term goals.
How can you tell me one page overrides multiple pages saying it’s ok to go there, and ok to spy? with a wink and a nod from the scripts in your control center?
If you really cared about what you posted in the wiki to be true in the form of a wiki the fact you don’t amend pages with the correct information or remove them from being viewed is negligence.
You can’t control what others think when presented with a huge wall of information speaking the opposite, when pulled out of the wiki at random or looked up with your in world tools.
Who’s really going to spend time cross referencing if it’s OK to go there? when they hear the crys of a furry or rumors of the PN crashing a sim?
They would look up the sim name, and unless it returns a big fat do not go there and no other information, they will TP there to DO JUSTICE FOR FURRIES! of course never embracing us as friends or even to enlist the furries as allies, because that would not work out well with your need to be play GOD over other residents.
And somewhere in that JLU.SL4.ME there’s a page where a JLU member attempts to get friendly with corsi, and corsi shouts back stuff like I know why your here.
It’s either been removed from Corsi’s page or it’s un-found at this time I would like to see the date on that when one of your members attempted to patrol in an unobtrusive way, but ended up being thrown out while faking being friendly and compare that to the date on the patrol page.
Because as Corsi put it, he knew why you was there and told you to fuck off.
IntLibber Brautigan
Apr 28th, 2010
Oh Boy, proks kool-aid retards are getting desperate.
Good spot, JJ. It’s pretty evident to anybody who spends some time reading the wiki what the facts really are. The more that gets exposed, the more that the trolls will attack WU here.
Tux Winkler
Apr 28th, 2010
Good post Judge Joker =)
Amazing Denial
Apr 28th, 2010
And how many people talking here are WU who got banned again? If you stick your fingers in your ears and say LA-LA-LA-LA real loud, maybe it didn’t happen.
Please.
GreenLantern Excelsior
Apr 28th, 2010
@ Judge Joker
You said: “If you really cared about what you posted in the wiki to be true in the form of a wiki the fact you don’t amend pages with the correct information or remove them from being viewed is negligence.”
Thank you for your editorial comments. I have revised that page to note that JLU members are not welcome in Furnation.
You said: “And somewhere in that JLU.SL4.ME there’s a page where a JLU member attempts to get friendly with corsi, and corsi shouts back stuff like I know why your here.”
It’s link #34 on this page (the link doesn’t work so just search for the word Exedor):
http://jlu.sl4.me/BrainiacWiki/page_1702.htm
Exedor Lament was a recruit in The Blue Lantern Corps, not JLU, when he went to a Furnation sandbox and started a friendly conversation with a couple of furries. Unfortunately, Corsi was one of them. The verbal abuse that followed was childish, violent, and totally uncalled for. My comments after the transcript:
“Corsi sounds like Prokofy Neva in a fursuit. Exedor is a nice person, and did not deserve this treatment.”
Kalel’s comments:
“Corsi is, of course, unable to ban everyone on sight, because he would lose the ability to use BanLink if he tried that, and he’s heavily dependent on it. That he would be so beligerent about a simple visit is still distressing.”
“I note with relief that Corsi is not a member of Proactive Security, thus saving me the trouble of terminating that association had that been the case.”
You’ll notice that at 8:14, Exedor left Corsi and started chatting with someone else, not asking about patrolling or griefing, but just trying to be friendly. Corsi pursued Exedor, harassing him and forcing him to leave the sim, apparently thinking he was trying to pump someone else for griefer information. Corsi’s actions that evening were totally unethical.
You said: “I would like to see the date on that when one of your members attempted to patrol in an unobtrusive way, but ended up being thrown out while faking being friendly and compare that to the date on the patrol page.”
The latest revision of the Patrol Routes page where Furnation is stated as being off limits was May 8, 2007. The date that Corsi abused Exedor was April 7, 2009. JLU does not patrol in Furnation sims.
Gaara Sandalwood
Apr 28th, 2010
I talked to GLE and he told me that the FN sims were already taken off of the monitors.
Alyx Stoklitsky
Apr 28th, 2010
>I’ve done a lot more over the years than the JLU at reducing/eliminating organized griefing.
As utterly hilarious as this comment is, it is sadly true.
We
Apr 29th, 2010
@GreenLantern Excelsior
You guys have kind of created a problem for yourselves here with that training page, you said
“You’ll notice that at 8:14, Exedor left Corsi and started chatting with someone else, not asking about patrolling or griefing, but just trying to be friendly.”
Unfortunately, the training page you have there (outdated or not) suggests that “just trying to be friendly” is a good tactic for gaining trust, and then using that trust to bring in a patrol.
Now, maybe he was just wandering around, but unfortunately with that, any attempt at “being friendly” could be easily construed as step 1 of a multi-step plan titled “Gaining Furnation’s trust so we may continue to patrol”
“Thank you for your editorial comments. I have revised that page to note that JLU members are not welcome in Furnation.”
You do that from one comment (that was not at all a friendly and polite request, the thing you complained about earlier), and yet you won’t remove the sim monitoring of furnation after pages of debate showing you have no real reason to have it up besides for the sake of covert patrols?
Very curious.
GreenLantern Excelsior
Apr 29th, 2010
@ We
Again, Exedor was a recruit in The Blue Lantern Corps but not a member of JLU.
Regarding the monitors, you may want to check Gaara’s earlier statement.
We
Apr 29th, 2010
@GreenLantern Excelsior
“Again, Exedor was a recruit in The Blue Lantern Corps but not a member of JLU.”
Then why are you guys getting so uppity about it? But then, I can hardly keep track of all the Lantern groups there’s so many, and I know a number of them are owned and ran by JLU members. I even noticed when the JLU was AR Partying me that a number of members from various lantern groups (that weren’t in the JLU group, or at least not showing in profile) showed up to join in.
“Regarding the monitors, you may want to check Gaara’s earlier statement.”
Whether or not you actually changed them, or simply decided it was easier to lie about it than argue anymore, doesn’t change the fact that you and Kalel threw a gigantic tiff over it, refusing to take it off the monitors for weeks even though multiple people were asking and pointing out that it served no purpose, until you eventually started simply ignoring it.
WaWaWa
Apr 29th, 2010
So, JLU has some sims on a stupid text based monitor. Let’s make a big cry fest over it.
Least they still have a sim, a group and were not mass banned.
Vakesh Ishtari
Apr 29th, 2010
Heh, Judge Joker. If you say you don’t care your friend is a nazi then It says something about you if you keep yourself around people that think that way…Tux founded european heritage and he’s with stormfront. You call it slander? fine. http://www.sl4.me you know this link because your his friend. Tux himself is now ranting on his blog about griefing. Violating ToS and crashing viewer’s from across the grid and about making a wiki simular(but most likely improved ;D i wont dish Tux his skills on that one). but still, if you claim to be a defender of the grid. Isn’t it hypocritical to do the same as who you point your finger at for doing wrong? That’s right. Time to eat your own words Tux. The only drama that was ever created was created by yourself and your association with certain people. LL did not shut down WU over nothing, Tux got the ban hammer too and he was allowed back. If he’s smart he’d pipe the fuck down. Accept he got PWN’D and go on with business as usual. Seemingly you people can’t do that because your so asshurt over the victory by JLU, that you have trouble sitting down now. Well don’t worry.
Maybe i’m this bold because i know something none of you know. Something that Jocephus Gearz know’s. PN’s is like a weak thin paper bag compared to some.
Tux Winkler
Apr 29th, 2010
@ Vakesh *sigh*
“Tux founded european heritage and he’s with stormfront. You call it slander? fine.”
- Yes I did, great detective work – XD
- I still haven’t been bored enough to visit the site
- No not slander, just trolling
“http://www.sl4.me you know this link because your his friend. Tux himself is now ranting on his blog about griefing. Violating ToS and crashing viewer’s from across the grid”
- Sorry, did I mention SL? Seems you are the only person not knowing I also run my own grid – free from the church of jocephus fanatics – XD
“and about making a wiki simular(but most likely improved ;D i wont dish Tux his skills on that one).”
- I use the same code as wikipedia, no skill req’d
“but still, if you claim to be a defender of the grid. Isn’t it hypocritical to do the same as who you point your finger at for doing wrong?”
- Haha, troll some more, you have no idea who you are insulting even
“That’s right. Time to eat your own words Tux. The only drama that was ever created was created by yourself and your association with certain people.”
- Yes, Jocephus and his little group of theives
“LL did not shut down WU over nothing”
- Duh you think?
“Tux got the ban hammer too and he was allowed back”
- I am surprised no wild fantasy about the reason for this. My ban was public knowledge – XD
“If he’s smart he’d pipe the fuck down”
- Smart? XD
“Accept he got PWN’D and go on with business as usual”
- Who PWN’D me?
“Seemingly you people can’t do that because your so asshurt over the victory by JLU, that you have trouble sitting down now. Well don’t worry.”
- Wow, Vakesh, you really have no idea what you are talking about. There are only two here who will agree with that statement (GLE & Neo). JLU have nothing to do with anything – XD
“Maybe i’m this bold because i know something none of you know. Something that Jocephus Gearz know’s. PN’s is like a weak thin paper bag compared to some.”
- Hahaha, PN’s haven’t been around for a couple of years, WTF are you going on about.
- Compared to some what, come on enlighten us all!
Just a little piece of advice for the future, if you plan to troll, at least educate yourself about the topics at hand so you can at least form a consistent post.
And yes, I have uploaded a wiki, if anyone wants to admin it. I don’t use wiki’s and don’t want to learn. XD
Judge Joker
May 1st, 2010
For public service announcements courtesy of the brains behind kalels balls check out http://twitter.com/heroleague or http://twitter.com/jlu_sl
We
May 1st, 2010
@Tux
They’re still pushing the idea that you’re a part of Woodbury and the Wrong Hands. Who cares about proof eh!
“Few accounts belonging to former members of the Woodbury University subgroup “The Wrong Hands” now survive. One of those remaining is Tux Winkler, identified by the League as having had a history of griefing prior to his involvement with Woodbury. That Linden Lab took punitive action against “The Wrong Hands” as well as Woodbury is noteworthy.”
Though I find this statement more amusing:
“All these were alts of Tizzers Foxchase; note here that in some cases alts identified as belonging to Tizzy Teardrop are claimed by unnamed Woodbury sources not to be – however, since Woodbury University in Second Life fostered a culture of deceit, these claims are often simple attempts at misdirection.”
Basically they found out that some of their basis and stupid accusations for who Tizzer’s alts were are false, instead of admitting they were wrong, they just decided it was a conspiracy instead.
Keep on driving that denial train, JLU!
With Woodbury gone that’s one major griefing group down, now all LL has to do is ban the JLU and that’ll be the last of the major griefing groups until both of them reform.
Tux Winkler
May 1st, 2010
*sighs*
@ The JLU
“One of those remaining is Tux Winkler”
- Having spoken to GLE on voice, I am sure he will explain that, whilst not impossible, my British accent is not the norm for Woodbury. Already Woodbury has proven my non-membership. The Wrong Hands too. However, I am flattered you want me in your fantasies.
“Tux Winkler, identified by the League as having had a history of griefing”
- Pictures or it didn’t happen. What proof do you have for this character assassination?
Now I would like to know this, it the JLU collective mind, what is my image? An insect? No, an arachnid maybe? XD – Oh my, was this a clue? Or did you imagine that too?
The ugly and the stupid have the best of it in this world. They can sit at their ease and gape at the play. If they know nothing of victory, they are at least spared the knowledge of defeat.
corona anatine
May 1st, 2010
re
banned from Soviet Woodbury for masturbating on open mike
how would you be sure of the correctness of the sounds heard?
a web cam would be hard to mistake – but the sounds of mastrubation ?
A) how would you know unless you heard the sounds of that person often [ on he basis that each person might have a different technique
b] how could you be sure that the sounds heard were actaully of that activivty
just a thought
corona anatine
May 1st, 2010
re
Judge Joker. If you say you don’t care your friend is a nazi then It says something about you if you keep yourself around people that think that way…
???
the mind set of nazism -eg the division of humanity into in and out groups- is a basic trait of all humanity
that the nazis encouraged this trait misses the point – such a mental trait is innate to all of us
so we are all nazis by definition
that some of us recognise this in ourselves and aim to minimise it or make the out group those who choose to be that way [such as pedophiles or fox hunters] is neither here nor there
the point is we ALL think that way
corona anatine
May 1st, 2010
The ugly and the stupid have the best of it in this world. They can sit at their ease and gape at the play. If they know nothing of victory, they are at least spared the knowledge of defeat.
The ugly and the stupid [out groups]
QED
corona anatine
May 1st, 2010
the biggest problem with and for the the JLU is this very aspect
by becoming the ‘league of justice’
they set themselves up as an ‘ingroup’ with the ‘greifers’ as the undeserable ‘outgroup’ [ an ever widening definition]
there is no solution until you see the whole of humanity as your ‘ingroup ‘ – even those you dislike
corona anatine
May 1st, 2010
why does it takes so many types to make this world rotate
when almost all of you are hardly breathing
[Roy Harper]
We
May 1st, 2010
@Tux
“Pictures or it didn’t happen. What proof do you have for this character assassination?”
Likely they’re stretching the definition as much as possible to include all the negative remarks you’ve made to the JLU and for hosting the wiki as “griefing”, them being vague ensures that the casual reader simply assumes you go around crashing grids instead of going around telling the truth about the JLU. It’s pretty common slime tactics for them.
Gundel Gaukelei
May 1st, 2010
You lose because you cant keep your mouth shut. You cant resist to brag about what you have done. You always show your weapons, while no pro would ever show his weapon before he does the strike. You have too much emotions involved to win … your own ego is your is your most powerful enemy. Start by not announcing all your steps on the internet. Just do the fscking strike. Never talk about it. And stop using your SL name, stupid.
If you are the revolution, its a walk.-over for the establishment
Im out of this. Gundel EOL
Kiddoh
May 1st, 2010
Who are you even referring to, Gundel? D;
IntLibber Brautigan
May 1st, 2010
We,
Don’t forget Prok, the one-cat-lady of trolling and griefing. She and JLU are the top griefers on the grid. I hear tell that Prok’s next on the list for arbitrary and thinly justified banning and seizures.
IntLibber Brautigan
May 1st, 2010
Corona,
While I’ve frequently fallen asleep online with an open mike, one has to really stretch it to confuse my loud snoring with masturbation. But such is the typical desperation of JLU fanbois. And I’ve never been banned from Woodbury, so the second part of that statement is likewise bullshit.
Judge Joker
May 3rd, 2010
Anyone notice Kalels lack of moral standards transferring to other residents businesses?
He faux DMCAs in order to protect his so called plans for a “business” project idea, but he will help set the precedent that he and the JLU plus other groups can spy on other residents.
Potentially discovering business ideas in the process, that real world business has come in SL to construct, or use Second Life as Linden Labs hoped for business meetings.
Don’t believe me? Hydra worked for Nokia in world doing event’s and was a Woodbury member after, but how many other talented individuals have on the side enjoyed some down time with such groups? but not engaged in negative activity’s?
So how could Lindens before they opened suit life advertise for real world business to come into Second life fully knowing and encouraging Kalel Venkman to potently engage in Cyber spying and Cyber espionage, and grant Lindens who might have alts that information to pass on to other residents or rival businesses.
Is it too far fetched to imagine that anything Kalel Venkman and his group told Linden Labs, about certain individuals who’s businesses have failed in world for various reasons contributed to there downfall?
So Linden Labs makes suit life for the serious businesses that demand and can afford privacy, but leave us struggling with the likes of Kalel Venkman and policy’s disallowing the use of secure chat in clients.
Neo Citizen
May 3rd, 2010
Wow, “Judge”, paranoid much?
You're all d*cks
May 3rd, 2010
Geez is this still going on?
Here’s my take on the whole thing, from the outside, never been in contact with either GLU/JLU, Furnation admins or WU. I formed my opinions about what various ppl from the various sides have told:
the whole JLU group is appearently not endorsed by LL, they have no names like Batman Linden, Superman Linden or whatever. ERGO, they have NO RIGHTS to play police. The only admins that should have the power to get ppl banned for messing up and breaking TOS, should be the Lindens. And I know that Kalel & Co dont have this power directly, but with mass ARing… Isnt that in itself against the TOS as abuse of the AR system?
You guys suck.
Furnation admins & furries:
Grow a spine and some thicker skin. you never asked to be griefed collectively, but by god, you certainly give them enough reasons to not stop peskeing and making fun of you for centuries to come. Stop your bawwwwwing and stop giving the griefers what they want, then maybe they’ll stop. just a hunch but Im betting money on it that that’s all it takes really.
WU: I dont know what really went on and wy LL really banned your asses, but it wasnt because you are all so ffing innocent and harmless and keeping your ‘humor’ on your own sim.
And if you’re gonna play the ‘nothing ever happened, we were framed’ card, then make sure ALL OF YOUR MEMBERS UNDERSTAND THAT.
It’s quite laughable if on the same forum threads some of you try to defend your actions by claiming that nothing happened,
the next one is saying it only happened in the past, before 2007,
a third says it was all tizzers,
a fourth comes up with the story Tizzers & Intlibber tried to give griefer kids something else to do and direct their energy to positive means,
a fifth says that indeed it all was us at WU,
a sixh says it was just PN that people somehow misstook for WU members,
a seventh says that they never saw nothing going on on the WU sims,
an eight says that it was infiltrations by groups to make WU look bad,
a ninth says that the seventh guy was there at events with Tizzers and others peskering and spamming Prok,
a tenth says that it’s all in our imaginations,
an eleventh repeats that the WU is innocent BUT THERE ARE NUMBERS OF PISSED OFF PEOPLE AND CHAOS MIGHT ENSUE BUT ITS NOT A THREAT.
So which of above eleven (and Im betting Im leaving one or two out here that I heard flying by) stories is true?
That’s the problem with the unorganized nature of WU and 4chan’s /b/. You wont be able to get your stories straight if anyone is anonymous and can just join up or leave at their leasure.
(in b4 WU=/= 4chan =/= /b/ I lurked long enough to recognise a mudkips fetishist when I see one)
(in b4 rage about above mudkips luvers; joke, k?)
LL has stated in the past, that land owners are fully responsible for the happenings on their land. So yeah, LL took the WU land and banned their admins. Cause as they said, they were responsible for whatever supposedly did or did not happen. stop your bawwwwing, you’re starting to look like a couple of butthurt furfags FFS.