JLU Shamed – Green Lantern Excelsior Turns His Back on SLUniverse
by Pixeleen Mistral on 26/08/11 at 3:46 am
Superheros “standing in front of a monkey cage and being pelted with waste products”
For almost a week, a particularly ugly chapter in Second Life’s social history has been playing out on both theListSL.blogspot.com and the SLUniverse.com forums. While it is impossible to know if all the claims being made are true, the sheer body of evidence suggests that the Justice League Unlimited's secret wiki's security has been compromised again. Apparently the security-challenged JLU didn't learn anything after their last embarrassment and have continued to compile dossiers on Second Life players without their knowledge or consent.
JLU advises members to keep quiet about wiki leaks
What seems to be a never-ending series of extremely embarrassing disclosures from the notoriously leaky JLU Brainiac wiki paints a disturbing picture of Kalel Venkman’s band of virtual vigilantes fighting tooth and nail for what they believe is law and order in an online cartoon world - never mind the fact that the other players didn't sign up for a surveillance society game.
What sort of revelations have the rank and file players up in arms?
Facebook stalking the family of an AIDS patient to verify he is on his deathbed - then speculating that his demise might result in less game world griefing. Tracking real life identities of various Second Life players - sometimes in very great detail. Collecting medical information on those the JLU believes are enemies. Attempting to frame other plays with "black ops". Fabricating chatlogs to file abuse reports hoping to ban other players - it just goes on and on.
On the other side of the fence, in what has grown to be a 188+ page forum thread with over 4600 replies and 103,000 views, mainstream Second Life fight a war of words with a succession of JLU spokesmen. Strangely, JLU leader Kalel Venkman has yet to step up in public to answer his critics, and those JLU members who have spoken up seem unable to do much more than inflame the situation further. Who are the real griefers are in this situation?
I was hoping against hope that one of the more inflamatory comments was a troll - and asked Green Lantern Excelsior in-world if he was really behind the SLUniverse comments. He said he was, and shared his opinion of the SLUniverse readers.
Pixeleen Mistral: did you really post this:
http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/general-sl-discussion/63339-jlu-harvesting-ip-addresses-125.html#post1357637
Pixeleen Mistral: seriously GLE - did you really post that?
GreenLantern Excelsior: (Saved Wed Aug 24 02:38:21 2011) Yes, I posted that. I posted on many of the pages in that discussion thread.
GreenLantern Excelsior: (Saved Wed Aug 24 02:38:41 2011) I was banned from SL Universe tonight, for posting "links to RL information," i.e., a link to Deadly Codec's obituary. The ban will be lifted on September 6, but I won't return. There are very few members on that board who will engage in serious and respectful discussion. Mostly it is like standing in front of a monkey cage and being pelted with waste products.
The more optimistic members of the anti-JLU faction cling to hope that the Linden game gods will take a stand, hoping against hope that Linden Lab is not in such dire straights that Second Life has been forced to depend on corrupt volunteer vigilantes to help maintain order on the grid.
Second Life Premium gives you more privacy ad next to players begging Rodvik for help
And so heartfelt pleas are posted to Rodvik Linden’s Second Life profile, but as of this writing remain unanswered. I hope Rodvik hasn’t been playing Farmville in Facebook and neglecting his SL profile page - but Rodvik did mention at the SLCC that social media is taking people’s time away from immersive games. Unfortunately, some of those still deeply engaged in Second Life are taking the game far outside of the virtual realm in ways that seem likely to harm the ailing Second Life brand.
Meanwhile it seems likely that anti-JLU sentiment will continue to rise unless the JLU can somehow cover up the evidence. Will Kalel resort to firing scattershot DMCA takedown notices again? Perhaps not - since this would be a tacit admission that the leaked material is legitimate - and could lead to some unfortunate legal action for the would-be super hero if a pattern of filing frivolous DMCA complaints was demonstrated.
Axel Oakleaf
Aug 28th, 2011
I’m playing I cum blood on my fog machine.
Axel Oakleaf.
Also a member on Ultimate-guitar.
Yep
Aug 29th, 2011
Go getem Tiger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih6W19KTlZo&feature=player_embedded#!
Nelson Jenkins
Aug 29th, 2011
@ Tux
However I wonder if its seen as harassment if he is contacted in a legal form? And it doesn’t violate anti stalking laws when my personal information is being held.
Consider this the end-all explanation of [cyber]stalking and [cyber]harassment law in California (CA law is applicable in Second Life due to Linden Lab’s presence there).
California Civil Code 1708.7 states that you can be civilly liable for stalking if you do all of the following:
1.) Follow, alarm, or harass the other person
2.) Cause the other person to be reasonably feared for their safety or the safety of an immediate family member
3.) Make a credible threat or violate a restraining order
4.) Be clearly and definitively told to stop this conduct at least once
5.) Not do so in good faith
California Penal Code 646.9 states that you can be criminally liable for stalking if you do both of the following:
1.) Willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follow or willfully and maliciously harass another person
2.) Make a credible threat with the intent to place that person in reasonable fear for their safety or the safety of their immediate family
California Penal Code 653.2 states that you can be criminally liable for harassment if you do both of the following:
1.) Intend to place another person in reasonable fear for their safety or the safety of their immediate family
2.) Electronically distributes, publishes, emails, hyperlinks, or makes available for downloading, personal identifying information on that person without consent and for the purpose of causing that person unwanted physical contact, injury, or harassment
(Sound familiar?)
California Penal Code 653m states that you can be criminally liable for harassment if you do ANY of the following:
1.) Makes contact through an electronic communication device with obscene language or a threat to inflict injury to the person or their property or that of their family with the intent to annoy, unless made in good faith
2.) Makes repeated contact through an electronic communication device, regardless of message content, unless made in good faith or during the ordinary course and scope of business
3.) Allows someone to commit one or both of the above crimes using their electronic communication device
(NOTE: “electronic communication device” includes, but is not limited to, telephones, cell phones, computers, video recorders, fax machines, pagers, PDAs, smartphones, and any other device that transfers signs, signals, writing, images, sounds, or data.)
In short, as long as it is in a legal form, it cannot be considered harassment since it is in good faith and during the ordinary course and scope of business. Additionally, it does not violate stalking laws because you do not place him in fear of his own safety or the safety of his immediate family, NOT because it involves personal information.
hobo kelly
Aug 29th, 2011
those Calif penal codes for stalking sound like they apply exactly to Venkman and company about 100 times over
nooneyouknow
Aug 29th, 2011
A whole lot of hooey over something /b/tards and ED have been doing for YEARS to anyone they didn’t like.
And now suddenly those same people that doxed and sent pizza to furries scientology members and whatnot, are crying foul like the rest.
Big surprise.
GG3
Aug 29th, 2011
LL better do it’s part as a company and not excuse or give “slack” to these folks, because of some silly favors/work-ins in the past (which isn’t fair to began with, as it gives certain customers advantages over others but we all pay the same pricing rate for lands)and the corruption we’ve experienced before with JLU favoritism(which is why employees shouldn’t mingle with their customer base like that in the first place). So much for the “off record” business part, seriously, if it’s something that can cause your company that -your- working for to look like crap, DON’T DO IT. Duh, especially from a “patrol” group that takes you as fool’s tool.
The JLU are well above knowing what they have been doing, there is no excuse. This is pre-calculated garbage that been allowed to run in Second Life for years, and has been ignored, even when it was exposed for the first time, and was ignored.
The Data Harvesting is recent, which is totally against LL’s agreement not to mention the immoral behavior the JLU have done with that information. This is what happens when you have a self-dictated group that promotes themselves above real-life laws.There’s got to be other reasons to this than oddball/crazy behavior, is e-money involved in it as well? I’d wouldn’t doubt it, SL lives and feeds off the stuff.
These are 3rd-party user-generated groups, not real-life law establishments as they pretend to be and shouldn’t be treated on the level as a real-life establishments, because their not, nor are they “employed” under LL in the first place, because their not. The JLU have been staying/operating under SL because it was their little “safe box” to do all their mess, the “turn the other cheek the other way” motto that -was- (and hopefully still isn’t) that was overlooked because you were doing the a “favor” at that time by doing the dirty-work and decided it was okay for you to do your own dirty-work as well.
Well, now the dirty laundry has been exposed, JLU, it’s not pretty, and you can no longer coax and coo your way out of it. People have seen what you’ve done in darkness, now it’s been brought to the light.
GG3
Aug 29th, 2011
@ noone
Obvious corruption is obvious, you forget there’s more than just /b/ tards “phooeing”(there’s regular users that have been affected too), or have you been watching what’s been happening around you in SL, that is, if your even in it at all?
GG3
Aug 29th, 2011
and what does another website have to do with “SL’s” issue?
Very little to none. That’s like linking apples to oranges. Both fruits, different source.
nooneyouknow
Aug 29th, 2011
Both fruits both a lot of bawwwwww because someone on the internet knows where your house lives. Its the same thing.
GG3
Aug 29th, 2011
@noone
LOL! I suggest reading up on your articles/research mate, and you’ll see the very reason why people are concerned.
GreenLantern Excelsior
Aug 29th, 2011
@ Senban
“That’s a politician’s answer if ever I heard one. So how many incidents were actually actioned by yourself and others? If they come to light will we see apology as policy once more?”
I believe that the number of those incidents could be counted on one hand, although I don’t know the specific number. As for my apology, I’m not afraid to admit when I’ve made a mistake, and that was a mistake.
“…the JLU is riddled with people who are corrupt and morally repugnant…”
You were actually doing pretty well with the analogy until here, when your entire train derailed. The griefer tag is an internal designation, so no one outside JLU can read it.
“And of course, anyone who goes against them is automatically one of the bad guys (I’m living proof by GLE’s own admission).”
“I was added to a list of people purely because I have been outspoken about JLU activities.”
You are designated “personage,” i.e., person of interest, due to your news media affiliation. No one said you were a “bad guy.”
@ Ryokashi
“The only form of “griefing” you have on me is being a member of The Wrong Hands, which is not a banned group despite what you seem to be insisting.”
Hmm…you mean we missed the “real” griefing you’ve done? We will have to try harder next time.
“You saying the petition is lies is absolute bullshit. Name ONE THING in the petition that has been shown to be 100% false. If it is the hacked viewers thing, please explain to me why Sairi and WriterOfPoetry were able to spy on us in Superville by locking their voice into the parcel, while they rezzed a chat spy nearby and watched us from the adjacent sim.”
See above for the petition analysis. There are multiple lies, including allegations that JLU harvested IP addresses, that we use faked chat logs, that we submit faked chat logs in Abuse Reports, that AR parties constitute abuse, etc. As for the incident with Sairi and Writer, if they were using a chat spy (which I doubt), you should have written an Abuse Report. Remotely monitoring chat is a violation of the ToS, and JLU does not do that. Also, Sairi and Writer are not JLU members.
“And don’t try to deny the logs of Kalel and Maverick editing Skype logs to look like they came from inworld to report them.”
I’m not sure which incident you’re referencing here, but I believe they were talking about inworld disclosure that was documented on an external website. The only editing to be done there is a simple copy and paste into an Abuse Report, if that even happened.
@ Nelson Jenkins
“Are you going to address any of my points yet, or are you too busy spouting this bilge about communism?”
Can’t, too busy editing your wiki article.
@ nooneyouknow
“A whole lot of hooey over something /b/tards and ED have been doing for YEARS to anyone they didn’t like.
And now suddenly those same people that doxed and sent pizza to furries scientology members and whatnot, are crying foul like the rest.
Big surprise.”
Don’t forget Anonymous.
Robble Rubble
Aug 29th, 2011
@gle
I do not know what you are trying to imply with that statement but I have never used someone’s personal information against them. Your group is the one with a history of doing that, not mine. We have some class unlike your group of unscrupulous ghouls.
GLE I would also like to add that the recently revealed chatlogs made me rethink the tentative cold war friendship vibe we had going on. At this point I would rather be friendly with Maverick because at least you can tell he is a sociopathic goon within the first few minutes of conversation. You on the other hand are a manipulative snake. You reach forward with one hand offering a handshake while using the other hand to stab that same person in the back. You are filth and should be ashamed of yourself.
Senban Babii
Aug 29th, 2011
@GLE
“I believe that the number of those incidents could be counted on one hand, although I don’t know the specific number.”
So you admit there have been multiple incidents of this nature?
“You are designated “personage,” i.e., person of interest, due to your news media affiliation. No one said you were a “bad guy.””
So let’s see. The last time I wrote for the Herald must be almost a year ago and it wasn’t even an article about the JLU. The last article I wrote about the JLU was almost eighteen months ago. Which means that for me to be on your list you must be basing it on more than a simple article a year and a half ago. Let’s face it, I’m listed because I’m outspoken against the JLU. I have no (and have never had) membership of factions or groups that you take issue with. I don’t frequent places where griefing allegedly occurs. I don’t copybot. I don’t do anything really, beyond comment on the forums and blogs. Yet I’m a “person of interest”. How do you justify this? How much further than being listed in a database does it go?
Dontspill McGinnis
Aug 29th, 2011
@ GLE
I too am wrongly labelled “griefer”, I have come to accept that it is because I am outspoken against you, (as I haven’t broken ToS, so it can only be that) but what has my SL partner ever done to deserve not only a “Person of interest” designation but also a “griefer” designation?
Has any member of the JLU ever even seen her avatar? I sincerely doubt it.
Now, you say that these designations are for members eyes only, but that isn’t strictly true. Your griefer list is preloaded into the PZ device, so unless a landowner deselects the JLU’s list, my SL partner could very well be banned from however many sims, simply because she is my partner.
That’s kinda arbitrary, don’t you think?
Who gave you the right to decide where she can and cannot go in Second Life?
Senban Babii
Aug 29th, 2011
@Dontspill Mcginnis
“Your griefer list is preloaded into the PZ device, so unless a landowner deselects the JLU’s list, my SL partner could very well be banned from however many sims, simply because she is my partner.”
Well this is a good point. In fact in order to try testing this out I just logged in and went to Steelhead Port Harbour and Dublin 3 because those places had been mentioned over on SLU. However if anything is operating there it didn’t pick up my presence. Can anyone suggest a place where this device is confirmed as present so I can make sure I’m not included?
Tux
Aug 29th, 2011
Senban try the welcome centre at Taber.
Also the griefer list isn’t preloaded. It is actually constantly checked. This means it is live data and allows the JLU to track movements of residents. Something they was so appalled about when they was being tracked – XD
Innula Zenovka
Aug 29th, 2011
@GLE “You are designated “personage,” i.e., person of interest, due to your news media affiliation. No one said you were a “bad guy.””
That raises, at least for me, the questions of why else someone might become a “person of interest” to the JLU, since there’s plenty of “personages” on this list who aren’t affiliated in any way with the news media, and, perhaps more importantly, what are the implications of becoming a “person of interest”.
It’s maybe just an innocent phrase, but, as I’m sure you’ll realise from your studies of recently released KGB and Stasi files, it’s rather an unfortunate one; to those organisations, as I understand it, a “person of interest” to them could be anyone they might regard as a potential enemy, ally or someone to be manipulated.
I can see why you might want your members to know when they’re dealing with a journalist, but the simple designation “Reporter” or “Press” would seem to cover that. So does it mean when the JLU find someone “of interest”? Does it mean you’ve opened a file on them? Does it mean dealings with them are to be reported? Or what?
Nelson Jenkins
Aug 29th, 2011
@ GreenLantern Excelsior
Feel free to do all the Google searching you want, all I could find were my Post 6 pictures and some guy in Florida.
I’ll be glad to see what you have in your next Wiki leak, though.
Senban Babii
Aug 29th, 2011
@Tux
“Senban try the welcome centre at Taber.”
I’m standing there now.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/whenitchanged/6092763455/in/photostream
It seems that being designated a “personage” doesn’t add you to a ban list. However I’m also aware they’ve had time to remove me in the meantime so as to retain deniability. I’m not implying they did, just saying the possibility has to be considered.
Innula Zenovka
Aug 29th, 2011
@Senban
What I’m wondering — and maybe GLE can help us with this — is whether being a “personage” means that, among other things, someone can ask the system “Where’s Senban?” and, if you’re on the same sim as one of these units, of even near the border of an adjacent one, it’ll tell him, same as if you’d given him mapping rights.
That would certainly be very easy to do with LSL.
Senban Babii
Aug 29th, 2011
@Innula
““Where’s Senban?””
Oh that’s easy! On the rare occasions I need to actually log in, I’m at Ahern. I log in, answer the IM or whatever, then log out. Ahern. There you go GLE, saved you a bit of work there
But for other people, yes, I guess that is a good question. Perhaps someone with scripty buildy goodness can tell us?
Nelson Jenkins
Aug 29th, 2011
@ Senban Babii
That would be pretty easy, yes. It is also possible to reach out into adjacent sims. I would not be surprised if the PhantomZone system kept historical data instead, though. I doubt that being a personage is a requirement either.
JLU Appear To Be Far Off Track » Ciaran Laval
Aug 29th, 2011
[...] now The Alphaville Herald are again questioning the ethics of the JLU, and rightly so, and GreenLantern Excelsior doesn’t do himself any favours with his comments [...]
Bunjie
Aug 29th, 2011
@Senban Babii
I would have seen being designated a personage at this point as either some kind of pre-test data or a section of just what it suggests to be, a section residents who are on their radar and are just residents. (A default setting in the database)
Which is what it will designate any avatar before being switched to either bot or griefer status by manually hud activated observations.
Perhaps though it’s logical to conclude a personage is someone they want to catch around another personage or hanging out with griefer account’s, and that this object even in it’s basic form will record, store and pull up that data for their investigations on “whose been near” X Y Z and who might be X Y Z’s alt.
At this point I think being designated a personage is more worry some than if this was deployed for a very long period of time, because clearly these are the “first block” of residents they want to focus on and “out” or “catch” in an act with someone else so they can go to Linden Lab and make up some story.
Tux
Aug 29th, 2011
Looking at their db schema I do not doubt they log movement:
krypton_jlu comm_log sender
krypton_jlu comm_log time
krypton_jlu comm_log region
krypton_jlu comm_log position
krypton_jlu comm_message id
krypton_jlu comm_message sender
krypton_jlu comm_message send_date
krypton_jlu comm_message message
krypton_jlu comm_recipient recipient
This would be where the PZ communicates with the server and logs you. Obviously there is no proof unless the code mysteriously appeared.
Although I have no doubt they have switched of a load of features server side at the moment to comply with the Lindens.
Another point of concern though is this:
krypton_jlu resident_email resident
krypton_jlu resident_email email_md5
krypton_jlu resident_email confirmed
How do they get a residents email? Why would they be needing it?
Micaela Darkwatch
Aug 29th, 2011
@Tux
krypton_jlu resident_email resident
krypton_jlu resident_email email_md5
krypton_jlu resident_email confirmed
This keeps bothering me.
My email for Linden Lab is my “very local, small town ISP” mail.
It is the email I use for all business matters. Everything important. Since LL gets money from me every month, it is a business matter. It is also highly identifiable. via the handle, to me, my exact location, and my family.
I do not see a way for that to have been made available to JLU, other than an exploit or ? However, if this is, in fact, my email that was made available to LL, there are problems. I have never made it available to anyone within Second Life. I have not signed up to any SL related sites, no matter how obscure the relation might be, with that real life email.
Senban Babii
Aug 29th, 2011
@Bunjie
“Perhaps though it’s logical to conclude a personage is someone they want to catch around another personage or hanging out with griefer account’s, and that this object even in it’s basic form will record, store and pull up that data for their investigations on “whose been near” X Y Z and who might be X Y Z’s alt.”
I think this is highly likely. “Griefer by association”. They’re probably waiting to catch people marked “personage” liaising with known griefers so they can jump up and down and say “told you so”.
@Tux
“How do they get a residents email? Why would they be needing it?”
Well a lot of people’s emails are either publicly available or are pretty easy to guess such as avatarname@yahoo.com and it really wouldn’t surprise me if it wasn’t an attempt to gain the ability to log into people’s accounts legitimately to look for evidence of wrongdoing and general miscreantation (I made that last word up). Or even to delete inventory as an act of revenge or punishment. Or even so as to log in as someone, perform an act of griefering right in front of witnesses and then get that account banned. The perfect assassination because of course it actually *was* that person doing the griefing.
Let’s face it, they’ve already talked about “black ops” against people. Is the above really beyond the realms of possibility?
Micaela Darkwatch
Aug 29th, 2011
“Let’s face it, they’ve already talked about “black ops” against people. Is the above really beyond the realms of possibility?”
Once “black ops” are a viable means to an end, it’s “Fair Game”.
hobo kelly
Aug 29th, 2011
There is some kind of link between Venkman > Excelsior > Siobhan McCallen > Maggie Darwin > Prokofy Neva. Something more than them having a truly fetid personalities. Something more than old age rage at becoming useless and ineffectual in their own worlds and over compensating in SL. Venkman, yeah Simi Valley California, I know, but from there we move to the East Coast. Prokofy Neva is New York. But then here comes Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, the City of Brotherly Love, which may be appropirate in the case of McCallen and Darwin. McCallen, another vicious JLU member who plays “water” like GLE does, flat and level and quiet until it drowns you, used to be a writer RIGHT HERE at the Herald… just like Prokofy Neva… Then Darwin, a long time “buddy” of McCallen’s is possibly a Linden now? This is more of the faggotry inside of the JLU. Reading old logs I’m picking up on something about ham radio operators in Philadelphia. Its coming in on a wave… Where was that fcc license database located again?
nooneyouknow
Aug 29th, 2011
Paranoia reigns supreme. Everyone knows that with just an email address you can log into someone’sSL account.
GG3
Aug 29th, 2011
@nooneThe internet is filled with many things, but it’s also filled with danger. Do you not think these type of people can infiltrate into SL? SL is not immune to stalkers/harassing, and just by the JLU having people’s RL contact info and everything else open to “their” members is a tall-tale sign of no-good. Plus, the fact it’s a bunch of weirdo’s/strangers on the internet wanting to cause real-life damage to people because of a stupid and silly virtual game-world, whether it be their school/business or even their own mutual well-being.
People have gone beyond lengths to protect some silly and fake money, fake land, and some made-up hair pieces/objects over a game. The term “grief-er” is so over-used and is coined for witch-hunting preferences, label someone a griefer and it’s “okay” to go harassing them in RL? Even the people who shout “GRIEFER” know the word “game” comes out afterwards.
I don’t think so. If this is the type of state SL has fallen into, then the people on it are no better if they think it’s okay to witch-hunt because of some measly coin-exchange system and e-wigs. Anyone outside SL can see that, it has nothing to do with “paranoia”, it’s common sense and humanity.
If this is the type of people on here who THINK they have a “right” to cause damage to people in RL because of some laggy, bug-busted software, then shut the whole rotten game down. There’s people on there that need to get away from their crazy addiction to it anyway, seeing as they can’t recognize reality from fake, virtual reality.
GG3
Aug 29th, 2011
People are loosing homes/jobs in RL and SLer’s are more worried about e-coins and fake clothes. How despicable. Plug back into reality sometime.
Senban Babii
Aug 29th, 2011
@nooneyouknow
“Paranoia reigns supreme. Everyone knows that with just an email address you can log into someone’sSL account.”
I know, you’ll have to forgive this fleabitten old moggy’s memory. Remind me what the recent SL-related issued was that had that software you logged into and it recorded failed attempts or whatever it was and it turned out that it was recording those failed attempts because people often used the same email address/password combination for SL?
And I know I’m just a silly purple dinosaur at times (*grins* inworld and waves) but cracking passwords is one of the oldest games in the book, isn’t it?
And has anyone ever really considered the idea that an entirely unrelated bit of SL-related software could in fact operate as a way to harvest such emails and passwords yet behind the scenes actually be a front for the JLU?
And hey, wasn’t there a story just recently about how someone got into someone else’s SL account by having just the email address and social engineering the support desk into resetting the password or whatever it was?
Is all that even remotely possible? Well is it? No of course not. The JLU are there for our comfort and convenience.
Sleep well kittens, don’t have nightmares
Barbie MathIs
Aug 30th, 2011
@senban According to Emily’s conversation with Pete
Linden, the JLU apparently see it as within their mission to monitor journalists for any criticism of SL or more especially the JLU. So of course you are a personage, dearheart.
AM Oderngrl
Aug 30th, 2011
@senban: >it really wouldn’t surprise me if it wasn’t an attempt to gain the ability to log into people’s accounts legitimately to look for evidence of wrongdoing<
No, that would not be legitimate. who elected these bozos to be cops in SL? that would be an illegal violation of privacy and interstate communications and very much against the law in most countries unless being done by actual law enforcement officials.
But I'm sure that's not what you meant, was it?
Tracer Graves
Aug 30th, 2011
In regard to the IP tracking, nobody knows where it came from or how it was collected, but there was an IP dump so large it had to be broken down into 4 pages + an addendum for the ‘roles’ of over 5800 avatars. Anyone can look at them here:
http://thelistjlu.blogspot.com/
There are also chat logs, wiki screenshots, etc there. LL has the ability to investigate all of the in-world information and corroborate IP info with their own databases. The petition is simply a list of the accusations against JLU and a call for LL to take action. If you want them to get to the bottom of things and separate the fact from fiction, one way to help is to sign the peition here:
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/stopjluillegalactivities/
Nelson Jenkins
Aug 30th, 2011
@ GreenLantern Excelsior
I am also still waiting for you to respond to any of my points.
Nelson Jenkins
Aug 30th, 2011
Oh, a nice little gem from the wiki login:
“Your IP will be logged, bypassing proxies.”
Why hasn’t FBI or NSA gotten on this proxy-bypassing technology? We could catch internet criminals much faster. Traceroutes would be a thing of the past!
Senban Babii
Aug 30th, 2011
@AM Oderngrl
“But I’m sure that’s not what you meant, was it?”
Ahh, that’s my bad, I should have chosen my words more carefully. What I *did* mean by legitimately was that by having the email address and password they can effectively log into someone’s account properly and not by having to hack or use some exploit. It’s certainly never legitimate in the normal usage of the term to access someone else’s account unless you have explicit permission.
@Barbie Mathls
“So of course you are a personage, dearheart.”
Damn straight
And I’ll continue to be outspoken about the JLU and any derivative or associated groups until they bring their activities inside the realm of what residents find reasonable. And if that doesn’t work then we’ll choke their rivers with our dead.
http://cheezburger.com/View/4374806528
Senban Babii
Aug 30th, 2011
Interesting observation. I was logged in last night, standing around at Ahern whilst chatting in IM to a friend. And someone started spamming these ‘troll’ particles across the entire infohub. I took some screenshots to show the area they covered etc. But the real point here is how this “attack” was recieved by the residents. The hub was excessively busy yesterday so we can assume that any reaction wasn’t just a statistical anomaly.
For the hour or so (guesstimate) I was there that this spamming occurred, guess how many people actually commented or got upset about it, at least in public chat. None. That’s right, none. There was one single comment that could be interpreted as referencing the spam but it wasn’t obvious. Apart from that, people simply weren’t even slightly bothered and tuned it out.
But you can be damn sure that if the JLU had been present, it would have been reported as a full blown raid against the fair citizens of the grid.
Go home JLU. You’re not needed here.
Grunatheld Pleastrom
Aug 30th, 2011
@Tux
OMG dude. You claim to be an IT professional and don’t even know what an MD5 sum is? Very common (but kinda old) one way hash. Do some reading. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MD5
/b/
Aug 30th, 2011
lol UMad?
Smiggles Decuir, DarkMatter Steamer, Hope Shim, KatWoman Yootz, Skills Hak, Zfire Xue, TrainYard TopHat, And ALL JLU, please do me a favor.
Login to your second Life Accounts, and click Cancel Account, You are not wanted on our grid due to Violations OF The Second Life TOS/CS.
Kthx, That is all.
/b/
Aug 30th, 2011
Oh wait I forgot some.
Zammy Ziskey, Meistroli Eastwood, Sheena797 Navarita, Smiggles Decuir, Hope Shim, KatWoman Yootz, Skills Hak, Zfire Xue, Bosk AKA MadDog, Please get your copybottin/Copybottin supporting asses off our grid, we don’t want you here either.
Oh and @ Synphony Vayandar, WE do not want you in NOR, you are a Copybotting Son of a bitc* who needs to get out of SL as well cancel your account too plzzz, She and her LaceDaemon Buddies do nothing but start drama, and cause innocdents to get banend from EVIL/an entire sim or all of nor.
** Here is proof of their Copybotting.**
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Nix/162/39/200
Cancel Your Accounts we dont want you here either.
Support Content Creation Don’t support copybot!
1. Do not allow Copybots or their supporters to rent your land.
2. Do not allow Smiggles Decuir any of her friends on your land.
3. Do not allow
Bunjie
Aug 30th, 2011
@Senban Babii
When I joined the mentors I was allowed to pick another mentor to shadow, I picked a furrie of course and it all seemed serious business as it is and was to me up until a point.
But my point about this is even though it was “serious business” I was specifically told LINDENS DON’T really care what happens in those places unless it gets out of hand, or too extreme because they know it’s just a bit of fun e.t.c and they’d be at it all day.
So in conclusion I was told not to bother ARing people, unless it was over a judgmental limit that it really effected everyone there, and those particles wont really effect anyone because we all know if you attend one of those places the first thing you DO is turn down your graphics and that shuts off particles.
So they probably didn’t even see it, but the JLU will screenshot it at full resolution so they can been seen as “doing there duties”.
This is why I hate they claim to be mentors, they are the cause like the guy who went on to make anti griefing and tracking scripts to try to track residents and who worked with the JLU and Linden Labs Plexus Linden.
http://alphavilleherald.com/2010/01/jlu-wiki-leak-plexus-linden-gives-superman-copyright-tap-dance-lessons.html
And this is another reason why Lindens are asked to have “thick skins”, because all the JLU are doing is forcing shit to the top when they should be dealing with real governance issues, like fraud, suicidal residents and other such higher priority things.
AND this is why I say people need to re-take responsibility for there own land because these groups might catch people quick, but the downside is the deterioration of the service because time is spent chasing ghosts that might have otherwise spent 8 hours or a week in world doing nothing, and turning them into people who come back with more ghost accounts in 4mins or less.
Bunjie
Aug 30th, 2011
Though perhaps we should refer to ghost accounts as “minutemen accounts”, as it’s so quick to return if they’ve prepared and you poke them into action.
Senban Babii
Aug 30th, 2011
@Bunjie
“So they probably didn’t even see it, but the JLU will screenshot it at full resolution so they can been seen as “doing there duties”.”
Exactly my point. People like the JLU actually set out to create or at least exaggerate the very problem they claim to be protecting us from in the first place so as to give themselves a reason to exist..
JLU: Fear not Resident, we’re here to protect you from griefers.
Resident: What griefers?
JLU quickly edits database
JLU: That man there, he’s a griefer!
Resident: How do you know? He’s just standing there talking to some people? Wow they have cool avatars!
JLU: It says so in this database, see?
Resident: But that’s your database, isn’t it? You write that database so what you’re saying is that this person is a griefer because you wrote it down in an unofficial database that he’s a griefer?
JLU: Erm, well…..fear not Resident, for we wear capes.
Resident: Are you like a crazy person?
JLU: Avaunt miscreant!
JLU adds Resident to database.
Resident wanders over to talk to alleged griefer because he’s interested in his avatar
JLU: Hah, see? Consorting with known griefers!
JLU adds note to Residents entry in wiki
Nelson Jenkins
Aug 30th, 2011
@ Senban Babii
This would make a good TV show.
Yep
Aug 30th, 2011
“[9:42] PlexusLinden: we dont enforce copyright law”
Lol… If marvel comics reads this and starts asking questions, I would like to see Plexus stuttering to explain this comment.
Go getem Tiger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxbrL0e_5Hc&feature=fvwp&NR=1
Tux
Aug 30th, 2011
@Grun:
‘OMG dude. You claim to be an IT professional and don’t even know what an MD5 sum is? Very common (but kinda old) one way hash. Do some reading. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MD5‘
What?
/b/
Aug 30th, 2011
ohai sumthin even more funny…
Not only JLU Condones to Griefing, and Theft from content creators, but…
Skills Hak, has worked with Copybotters on Emerald.
Ali Akami, Supported Smiggles Decuir with her thefts & her alliance buddies.
DarkMatter Steamer, a griefer who knows nothing but to make countless threats towards people, had stolen content given out all over the place to his friends in crimson urge, and he runs a group called Dark Passions with people that BlackMail, Make Threats, as well as owns a simulator rented by Anshe Chung Estates called (Dark Nights) Funny thing is they are well aware of what he uses the estate for griefing purposes, Copybotting sharing with KingG00n members and griefers, but they do nothing other than say file an abuse report with Linden Lab that is their response.
5 Abuse reports filed with Linden Lab, yet they do nothing to this guy or his friends even from day one.
So personally if it were up to me and I had access to such a system grid wide that protected residents this person would be on my list until he complies with whatever I say, why because he is a known griefer, Copybot supporter as he does nothing about his members that do it, and he Bans ANYONE from his Estate that is a threat of Fille a DMCA report, or Abuse report anyone simply to break the TOS More.
Why Condone with such people in SL, some people deserve to be network banned grid wide from SL because of what they do…
Oh wait that one person I forgot their name made threats towards the clan as a member lol that was utter bullshi* the only one who made any threats was him and giselle was a kind person, but him hiself needed to GTFO.