Understanding the “Little Hitlers” of Second Life
by Pixeleen Mistral on 24/10/11 at 1:50 am
I’ve long wondered at the connection between Second Life’s endless supply of over-the-top drama and the strange psychology of certain players -- particularly those seriously invested in “defending” Linden Lab and “policing” the Second Life grid.
What is it about Second Life that attracts and retains obsessive-compulsive meta-gamerz who can’t keep their play inside the game?
Do large land tier payments to the Lab trump civil discourse even when Lab staff are swept up in an ugly cycle of Twitter/Google bombing payback as we saw with the LabRatuOut mess? After a concerted effort to attract the Lab’s attention to the recent excesses of the Justice League Unlimited, some of my friends in The Pink Hands faction are getting a bit cynical.
the Pink Hands faction is becoming cynical about Linden Lab
The golden rule seems to be in effect - those spending the virtual gold, rule. Perhaps Rod Humble is just hoping he can finish his new not-SL mobile-device-enabled game before the house of cards falls.
Meanwhile, consider notoriously toxic trolls such as Jumpman Lane, Kalel Venkman’s Justice League Unlimited vigilantes, or Prokofy Neva -- and the level of effort required to spend years tracking and data-mining other players or mounting an endless series of intensive blog, Twitter, and Google bombing campaigns designed to humiliate and destroy enemies.
Forgiveness and redemption seem to be alien concepts for some trolls upstanding Second Life residents, which implies a deep psychological need is being addressed. What exactly is going on?
A recent article in The Economist describing how “quite ordinary people will succumb to bad behaviour if the circumstances are right” may hold some answers.
According to the article, Nathanael Fast of the University of Southern California and colleagues at Northwestern and Stanford universities ran a series of experiments to see if social circumstances around power and status have the potential to create “little Hitlers” who annoy and frustrate others for their own gratification - or are certain individuals predisposed to this sort of behaviour simply gravitating into situations where they can behave badly?
The experiments randomly placed participants into one of 4 groups: high power/high status, low power/low status, low power/high status, and high power/low status. Participants were given the option of forcing other participants to perform humiliating actions -- or not.
Those in the low status/high power group chose significantly more demeaning tasks to impose onto other participants, while those in the other 3 groups did not exhibit this behaviour.
Does this mean that the more extreme guardians of Second Life feel they are in a position of low status in real life and are compensating by harassing and humiliating those within their reach?
If, as the study suggests, the combination of low status and high power is a recipe for trouble, I am beginning to think the celebrated free social media tools which empower those dedicated to cultivating their Internet notoriety may contain the seeds of their own destruction as the "little Hitlers" of the social media use their online power to trash everyone else.
Do you still want to play Web 2.0 after watching Jumpman Lane’s Twitter assault on Stroker Serpentine, LabRatuOut’s assault on Esbee Linden, or after following Prokofy Neva’s carefully crafted Google bombing attacks on all and sundry? How do you feel after learning that Kalel Venkman is still expanding and unsuccessfully attempting to secure his Brainiac wiki data mine?
Is this the sort of game you want to play?
Paul
Nov 10th, 2011
Let This Be Your Final Battlefield
(Last Scene)
In which Linden Lab finally intervenes in the epic struggle between the The Penguin and the Justice League.
adapted by Paul, with sincere apologies to Star Trek http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi97fXRkgss&feature=related
(THE PENQUIN enters, imprisoned by SUPERMAN)
SUPERMAN: Now can we go to Justice Island without any more discussion?
RODVIK LINDEN: At the moment, I seem to have no choice.
THE PENQUIN: So this is justice after Woodbury’s expulsion!? You have signed my death warrant. I warned you what to expect. Will you continue to let this mockery of justice go on? If you are partisans of justice, prove it! Ban him and his group!
TJ LINDEN: We do not ban without solid evidence.
THE PENQUIN: What do you do, carry justice on your tongues? You will beg for it, but you won’t fight or die for it.
RODVIK LINDEN: After so many years of leading the fight, you seem very much still in-world.
SOFT LINDEN: I doubt that the same can be said for many of his followers. SUPERMAN: You’re finished, Penquin! We’ve got most of your kind banned from Second Life, and it’s not going to change. You’ve combed the intertubes and come up with nothing but indifferent pose ball hoppers, prim clothing shoppers, and bleeding hearts. You’re dead, you criminal!
THE PENQUIN: You useless costumed freak! You Fanboi! I’ll take you with me!
(They lunge for each others throats, and send off script error messages)
RODVIK LINDEN: Superman, you keep this up, and you’ll never get to the Governance Team with your prisoner. The rest of Second Life will be irreparably damaged. This will be your final battlefield. Your six years of pursuit will have been wasted.
(SUPERMAN and THE PENQUIN separate)
RODVIK LINDEN: (don’t forget to read this with a good Bill Shatner voice) And you, Penquin, will die here with a suspended account…just an alt. You’ll inspire no more disciples. Your cause will be ended.
THE PENQUIN: Remember, Linden, privacy is my right. I am your customer. Honour that right, or the fight will go on and your online video game will burn up.
RODVIK LINDEN: You’ve made your point.
SUPERMAN: If you listen to his legalistic trickery, I shall have to file another DMCA.
RODVIK LINDEN: I understand. Will you promise to delete the JLU wiki?
SUPERMAN: Why not?
RODVIK LINDEN: Andrew, have repairs to the default V.3 viewer been completed?
ANDREW LINDEN: Aye, sir. Re-routed.
RODVIK LINDEN: Check controls and co-ordinates.
ANDREW LINDEN: Controls operating. Second Life is responding as always. Captain, it’s beautiful.
TJ LINDEN: Locking onto co-ordinates.
SOFT LINDEN: Captain, we are within scanning range of the Grid.
RODVIK LINDEN: Is it within visual range?
SOFT LINDEN: Coming within visual range now, Captain.
RODVIK LINDEN: TJ Linden, put the World Map on the screen. Extreme magnification. What are you picking up?
SOFT LINDEN: Several large cities, uninhabited. Extensive traffic systems, barren of traffic. Lower animal sand vegetation encroaching on the cities. No sapient life-forms registering at all, Captain. There is no evidence of natural disaster, yet there are vast numbers of unburied corpses in all cities.
RODVIK LINDEN: You mean, all the people are dead?
SOFT LINDEN: All dead, Captain. They have annihilated each other totally. SUPERMAN: My people, all dead?
RODVIK LINDEN: Yes, all of them.
THE PENQUIN: No one alive?
SOFT LINDEN: None at all, sir.
SUPERMAN: Your band of scofflaw griefers did this!
THE PENQUIN: You privacy snooping maniacs did this!
(They attack each other again.)
RODVIK LINDEN: Stop it! What’s the matter with you two? Didn’t you hear Soft Linden? Your estates are dead! There’s nobody alive on the Grid because of hate. The cause you fought about no longer exists. Give yourselves time to breathe. Give up your hate. You’re welcome to live with us. Listen to me. You both must end up banned if you don’t stop hating.
THE PENQUIN: You’re an idealistic dreamer.
(THE PENQUIN leaves)
RODVIK LINDEN: SUPERMAN. The chase is finished.
SUPERMAN: He must not escape me.
SOFT LINDEN: Where can he go?
(SUPERMAN leaves)
TORLEY LINDEN: Shall I alert security, sir?
RODVIK LINDEN: No, Lieutenant. Where can they run?
SOFT LINDEN: Captain, I have located them on ship’s sensors. Superman is chasing The Penguin.
TORLEY LINDEN: Captain, someone has activated the teleporter mechanism. RODVIK LINDEN: Soft Linden, anyone in the teleporter room?
SOFT LINDEN: Negative, Captain. Transporter room is clear. However, there is a life-form materialising in Ravenglass. It is The Penquin.
RODVIK LINDEN: There’s nobody there to try him. His judges are all dead.
TORLEY LINDEN: Captain, the teleporter mechanism has been activated again. RODVIK LINDEN: Of course.
SOFT LINDEN: It is SUPERMAN, Captain. And another life-form has appeared in Ravenglass.
TORLEY LINDEN: It doesn’t make any sense.
SOFT LINDEN: To expect sense from two mentalities of such extreme viewpoints is not logical.
ANDREW LINDEN: But their sims are dead. Does it matter now which one’s right?
SOFT LINDEN: Not to the Penquin and Superman. All that matters to them is their hate.
TORLEY LINDEN: Do you suppose that’s all they ever had, sir?
RODVIK LINDEN: No, but that’s all they have left. Warp factor two, Mister Linden. Set course for profitability.
Bunjie
Nov 10th, 2011
The FBI recently listed Second Life among the candidates for potential exploitation by real life criminal gangs, Kotaku reports, including it in the “National Gang Threat Assessment”, where it resides near listings of such actual gangs/pseudo-criminal organizations as the Hells’ Angels, the Latin Kings, and Los Zetas.
Oh my, Oh my, Oh my god now even real law enforcement is as much of a joke as those providing in-world “gang infiltration, role play law enforcement training and resident surveillance” under the banner of the JLU.
I guess now I can look forward to being on the FBI’s most wanted list “for links to criminal organizations”, or “support of foreign organizations” because I spoke out on what I believe, NOT TO FUCKING MENTION OH WAIT I’LL MENTION IT, the US does KILL anyone they FUCKING LIKE with BOMBS and without due process in other countries because THEY THINK someone has LINKS to such and such and MIGHT be a threat.
AND THE FUCKING PRESIDENT DOESN’T NEED TO SIGN OFF ON IT `¬.¬’ it’s now a committee of a few bureaucrats signing your death warrant.
This is what I mean about Prokofy spreading her blog around without truth and fact, calling us criminals and trying to push out this impression of how bad we all are when most of us are really are semi-normal compared to the creative environment we develop ourself’s though, we’re just trying to get on with things and don’t need this bullshit from such groups and Linden Labs support of a fuck nut like Prokofy.
Why should any of us be listed along side the Hells’ Angels, the Latin Kings, and Los Zetas, because Prokofy invites residents and none residents to attack her in-world and then blames it on us? with the result now being our lives could be hounded by the FBI because shes a FUCKING LOUD MOUTH CUNT? who PLAYS VICTIM and fabricates fantasies.
It wouldn’t take much for some bureaucratic worm to think anything she says is the truth if they Google and then go to Linden Lab as LL supports her with the whole perception they have of it being an us vs them situation which in their eyes is always a gang one.
As if she’s been fighting the good fight against real criminal gangs who use SL and on the side smuggle coke or hack banks, what a fucking joke and if there was any fucking truth to RL gangs that don’t fucking mess about I’d have expected her to have either found a horse or pigs head in her bed or have been found hanging on the freeway and I’d not even have shed a tear for it.
Oh Prokofy and the JLU will have a fucking field day with this, opposed to anyone with a brain knowing it’s wasted taxpayer dollars.
DEAR FBI come at me BRO! – But make sure to call me Monkey D. Luffy on my wanted poster, because this is as much of a joke as the JLU and YOU the FBI are acting.
Enjoy your tea.
http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2011/11/fbi-investigates-second-life.html#more
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/2011-national-gang-threat-assessment/2011%20National%20Gang%20Threat%20Assessment%20%20Emerging%20Trends.pdf
Reader
Nov 10th, 2011
@ Bunjie
shut up Muziekfreak1980 Miles
Reader
Nov 10th, 2011
zip it Mies
Reader
Nov 10th, 2011
stuff a sock in it mate
Bunjie
Nov 10th, 2011
@Paul now I remember you, you’re the guy who posted that star trek picture on SLU at the end of the thread or what we thought was the end of that first JLU privacy thread.
The star trek one where the two brothers or something that are like Yin and Yang fight each other and everyone on their planet dies but those two continue fighting in the uss enterprise until kirk steps in or something along those theatrical lines.
We got you then but try to move on from posting the same repetitive perspective, the conversation moves forward and things change so try comparing it to something more fluid that you didn’t find in a video rental store.
Though it was a good analogy on the issue and I also like it (STrek) but eh I’m sure you can make up your own perspectives, as you do have a life right? unlike the JLU who seem to be cocooned in this superman drag act.
If not from now on I shall call you video shop guy, a humorous perspective analogy on comic book guy.
Paul
Nov 10th, 2011
@ Bunji..
Glad you remembered me.. but back then I had not finished crafting that major opus….it was a concept in its infancy.
I love the fact that you accuse me of posting the same repetitive perspectives, accuse me of having no life, and slam the JLU for being cacooned in a comic book character. I am sure none of the regulars on this site, (including you) when looking in the mirror, see any of that!
James Doe
Nov 10th, 2011
@Bunjie
You honestly think the FBI is watching Second Life because of Prokofy and the JLU?
If so you are making me laugh.
Seriously i would bet the FBI has monitored SL for sometime just like they monitor other international internet communication areas.
why would you have to even worry about the FBI if your not doing anything suspicious. I think the FBI can figure out lies on a blog and the actually illegal activities.
Lets face it you a bunch of you sent the JLU wiki to the FBI which i have found very ammusing. You want to discredit and accuse the JLU or Prokofy of doing things you all will be looked at just as much by these areas of law enforcement.
you brought these things on yourselves, by trying to go after them and exposing their little silly wiki to the world. So deal with it.
GG3
Nov 11th, 2011
@James Doe
FBI been monitoring SL for quiet some time for obvious reasons in this day and age.
“You brought these things on yourselves”
That’s quiet a laugh there, James. JLU standards says it’s alright to go about stalking other customers like creepy little basement dwellers. Oh, -surely-, those same customers who complained about this forced intrusion brought it upon themselves to be “monitored” and “scolded” by the JLU by protecting their RL rights. Second-Life does not belong to the JLU, Grid-Watch, ANN, or any other user-generated group that plays themselves to be some police force in SL.
The JLU have pretended. They have been exposed. If the JLU are “true” like they have claimed to be (and are flat-out liars, proven time and time again) why punish the very public they were supossessively “protecting”? How long will the JLU continue to flash their unwanted aggression and cocky arrogance?
“why would you have to even worry about the FBI if your not doing anything suspicious. ”
It is known that kalolcakes enjoys filing bogus reports with real-life enforcement for just about anything on Second-Life. I do recall that the JLU was spamming about tux’s symbol being “illegal” somehow, and encouraging people to “follow the leader” by filing/reporting about it. In other words, wasting the real-world’s workforce and time by equivalenting game mechanics with real-life terrorist.
Some people have mighty good times on their hands, and the JLU have a plenty to be going about monitoring every single users they’ve come across/seen in SL. They are not the FBI.
The JLU continue to scream over and over again “WE’LL DO –ANYTHING– TO RID SL OF GRIEFURS”. When a none-existent, SL bound group decides that taking “vows and keeping secrets” are more important than RL laws and regulations.
A malice group bent on barricading who they do or do not want in *their* virtual game, even content creators.
@ Everyone
Nov 11th, 2011
Honestly the FBI really doesn’t give a fuck about Second Life, let me explain why.
1. Skills Hak Datamines & uses CDS, and Scripting exploits to scan people through media, so did Zfire Xue, the difference however Zfire Xue had a parole record based on what I hear he got served !
2. LandOFNoR.com, has supported Copybots, and griefer Bizarre Obscure backstab myself, and others with accusations that we are griefers, and copybot but refuse to provide actual evidence to the public. They had two people, Apolonia Anatine, and XanXan Jervil who made false rumors about myself, and rumors and passed them around sending out false notices in Gorean Fashion Sydnciate which indiciate that I am a Copybot, a griefer, and a Thief, they refused to reveal where they got the evidence to prove such or send it out and asked me to prove I was not guilty LOL I got big laughs at them all because hey you have the right to ban me for any reason or no reason at all I have the right to GRIEF your asses for any or no reason at all.
LL’s security is SECURITY FAIL, MAC ADDRESS Spoofing 101, Pools Closed, with a griefer client, and my over 10 thousand IP addresses think I care you want to grief me I can grief you back.
Does the FBI Care about these kiddy games of attack, slander and defend? Honestly they dont they are more concerned about Real Life threats, or terrorism and sure they monitor this but with the security LL has they are not going to waste their time to put resources into kiddy games because some little kid like myself decides to go blow up a simulator, or something else for example, but I will say this for the record.
1. I never griefed NOR, they have griefed me, and Who knows I may or may not get revenge on them as my only current goal is public exposure on the MMO blogs about their game or service let the trolls deal with it from there.
2. JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED!
As for JLU, Yes anyone has the ability to IP log in SL, I really dont support random snatching of IP Addresses when it comes to idiots and morons oh thats gotta be the same griefer of X person here simply because they both are using the same VPN or access point when it cleearly cant be proven that is abuse, and sometimes innocent get harmed.
JLU & SL POLICE I ♥ YOU (;
@ Skills Hak Just leave our grid
@ Norians, and Idiot Gorean GRIEFER supporters GTFO out of our grid we do not want or need you here!
hobo kelly
Nov 11th, 2011
I would like to see the Prokofy Wiki liberated and the ensuing shit storm that would blow in following that amazing feat. I understand that the Pink Hands are pretty busy working on some project right now however…
Senban Babii
Nov 11th, 2011
Come on people, we’ve just broken the 500 comment barrier, let’s keep forging ahead and make this the first 1000 comment article in the history of the Herald!
Snark harder
IntLibber
Nov 11th, 2011
Leveling up!
Emperor Norton hears a who?
Nov 11th, 2011
hobo kelly @ “I would like to see the Prokofy Wiki liberated and the ensuing shit storm that would blow in following that amazing feat. I understand that the Pink Hands are pretty busy working on some project right now however…”
You think it will also include the SURL of Prok’s secret sim were she meets with the JLU and Roderick Linden to plan strategy?
Dontspill McGinnis
Nov 11th, 2011
Well, well, well.
I come back off my little sojourn to discover a right royal bun fight going on in my absence.
The JLU apologists seem to be out in force.. well.. ermm maybe not in force… but anyway, unleashing the full force of their almighty wit with such eloquent quotes as: “stuff a sock in it mate”…
You couldn’t dream it, could you! Class just drips from each word!
Paul continues slate both sides, though Reader fails to see it, choosing to believe Paul is somehow an ally, and Prok continues to proliferate without even contributing.
Well, now that I am back. Let the feasting commence. And don’t mind me getting my soapbox out occasionally, Its only so I can stand on it to get a better look at the action.
And at 508 Comments, let me just say, You’ve all done very well!
And no, I haven’t read all of them.
IntLibber Brautigan
Nov 11th, 2011
And the LL kool-aid sippers and JLU apologists claimed this blog was dead….
Senban Babii
Nov 11th, 2011
It was just pining for the fjords.
Reader
Nov 12th, 2011
@ Spill
shut up Mies
DeNovo Broome
Nov 12th, 2011
If there’s one takeaway from all of this, for me, it’s this one critical insight.
I can *seriously* rock the pink!
At0m0 Beerbaum
Nov 12th, 2011
“Does this mean that the more extreme guardians of Second Life feel they are in a position of low status in real life and are compensating by harassing and humiliating those within their reach? ”
Yes. You dont need a control group to see this.
We had to deal with a few people like this, a large one as well who made himself out as some big powerful person who ended up being a completely useless leech in real life with nothing.
Also people misinterpret what little Hitlers mean, it isnt about harassment, it’s about controlling the environment around you. This article took pains to paint people who grief as the same as the control freaks. Granted we had all sorts of little Hitlers come through WU back in the old days (tried to siphon off members into their own groups) But most people I knew who fucked around with others were bored and honestly didnt take the game seriously at all, but coincidentally, were some of the few players that took Linden Labs’ original purpose to heart. “Your world, your way” and were some of the most talented people you could find in SL who made things other than penises, cars, shitty e-houses, weapons, and clothes.
All of the insensitive people want to label the typical griefer as something greater (example, tizzers gets a LOOOOT more credit from the JLU than what he actually deserves, they equate him to Osama Bin Laden for christ’s sake.) So they feel a little better about being made unreasonably angry over a tiny slight against them, so other people dont think of them as little sensitive pricks.
I even did shit to piss people off, and it was easy as fuck, just do something someone doesnt like, including wearing something completely innocent but out of the norm, most normal people will be like “heh that’s funny” or will make some comments, maybe even mock you. Then out of the corner, someone who wants a standard in the world, someone who likes a certain level of conformity, and has their own visions of how the world at large should be, steps out, starts talking shit, getting pissed off and riled up, making a huge deal out of virtually nothing, and goes apeshit. They demand for this evil person to be expelled from the game, there is no place for them here! They are causing problems!
Then they start causing problems for others, and pinning the blame on the person dressed funny. That person more times than not ends up losing his account because of one person making dubious claims, and an enforcement team overwhelmed with thousands of these kinds of people.
This was my experience during an experimental stint on the mainland. for every 5 cool people, you got that one control freak who comes out and loses their shit. I had land for a short while too, neighbors who dont like you will make it extremely apparent, and will bitch and complain about everything you do, harass and report you nonstop, and even break rules that they will turn around and use against you.
I had neighbors censor anything I made because it didnt meet their standards. They lined their property with these huge ass fake backgrounds as well and had ugly ass houses, but building a house that didnt go with their little theme of a tropical wonderland (in the middle of a mainland) they’d put boxes over my stuff, etc.
I played the better role and didnt report them, but when I removed said things, they’d threaten to report me.
There, my friends, are your little Hitlers.
They want to have absolute control over everyone around them as they lack that same control in their Daily lives.
James Doe
Nov 13th, 2011
@At0m0 Beerbaum
Your world your way
I do not think Linden Labs believes this to be that you can go around to other peoples sims and harrass the owners just because your bored. So your logic of Your world your way, then the JLU is doing the same thing they are making the world their way so why is everyone so upset?
Its so funny all I hear is how great and nice, these griefers are that if you talk to them you would know, or how creative they are.
If they are that creative spend the money on a sim create one and don’t go harrassing other people. I have seen far more creative people in SL who don’t grief and place pornographic graphics on other peoples objects in a pg sim.
Sorry these griefers are obbsessed look at the JLU crisis thread they are now running over to the JLU sim to bate and instigate reactions from the JLU. See you all want the so called abuse from them. If you really feel they are doing wrong you wouldn’t go into their sim. But Robble Rubble just keeps investigating them and saying how stupid they are for how they manage the land. Give it up guys your a bunch of obssessed children just like the JLU.
With out Prokofy or the JLU you would all be bored with your Second lives and have nothing to gossip or complain about until you found another target to go harrass.
Bunjie
Nov 13th, 2011
I can testify about the mainland thing, I had a medium rp place with just over 3/4th of an entire mainland sim, after we’d built it up by buying parcel after parcel over a period of months I put up the obligatory walls due to it being an enclosed town, so then months down the line guess what happens?
A challenger appears:
This random woman who rents e-houses to other residents in an entirely other sim next to our sim appeared, she starts spouting all sorts of bullshit that I was being inconsiderate and I should have put it in the sky as I was allegedly destroying her rental business, and spitting in my eye saying she was going to report me and Linden Lab would ban me, all the usual bullshit cry baby story’s that seek to blame anyone but her own choice of buying into mainland and not being able to DEAL WITH IT.
In the end it was quicker for me to move it into the sky than it was to deal with her crying, but I should not have to considering shes the inconsiderate one complaining and that in reality only leaves her with less of a chance to advert her rentals through my high traffic land.
A FAIL on her part.
I don’t know what’s more vindictive her waiting until I’d bought all the land and we’d fully built it or her expecting me to accommodate her view when shes not even renting on my Sim, she could have switched the theme to siphon off renters but shes no where that near to me and she didn’t care as she was of course stuck in her ways and trying to get everyone around her to bend to her will and point of view either by sympathy or by intimidation with the abuse report system.
The whole point of mainland is to roll with it like a virus or bacteria does, changes happen and if you react to that environment to survive you could make more e-money than being locked into what you want, investors should be developmentally fluid in such an environment as you can only really lock yourself in long term by owning a whole Sim, but you don’t have to do anything if you don’t want too, and just like everyone else does put up the e-walls as it’s your land not their view.
Mainland is a free for all and Linden Lab has no rules as long as it’s not too over the top and the no1 rule of Mainland has always been.
Rule 1. YOU’RE NOT PAYING FOR THE VIEW.
Rule 2. YOU HAVE VERY LITTLE RIGHTS TO COMPLAIN.
Rule 3. IF IN DOUBT BUY THEM OUT.
This to me sounds like Prokofy though I doubt it was her, some people are so uptight and think they have a right to dedicate to others what’s acceptable around them or even on a Sim next to the one they bought into, aka Prokofy trying to ZONE others builds in mainland next to hers, complaining about someone having a BOX with snow in a none snow Sim or heck her outing someone as bad because they don’t conform to the environment as she sees it when shes no where near that resident’s land.
The JLU are the same trying to breed conformity by intimidation, against a creative and fluid development environment, that they either don’t understand or does not fit their narrative of comic book law.
How dumb can she be? why do people need boxes? because they hate your view or they want a themed view but can’t afford a whole Sim ,or they just want their own space and that is something they’re totally entitled to after paying for it and have no wish to engage with the locals in any bullshit zoning drama.
http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2011/11/winter-wonderland-box-and-black-box-why-do-people-in-sl-need-big-boxes.html
The Good side to this is Linden Lab are resolving these conflicts with the new hidden on parcel privacy thingy? but yet you’ll find Prokofy then complains that Mainland looks empty and she should be able to PLANT Trees or another such thing on Land that is not hers just to keep her view and that only those trees should be seen by others.
She of course encroaches on Linden Labs land every day, in order to make it look nicer for her tenants and suggests Linden Lab doesn’t mind as long as it’s in tune with the surrounding esthetics dedicated by her of course.
Oh yea and don’t forget her bullying Linden Lab into making a failed project, un-encroachable trees that resulted in teens returning Linden Owned roads and objects on Linden Lab’s teen grid, and any objects they didn’t own that due to the design of Linden Labs sims slightly over lap certain peoples land due to the cuts, which in some cases were also likely rental themed environments and required a tiny overlap on the land barons behalf to maintain that look and feel.
Just like Prokofy does? oh well talk about programing your own demise or tools to play victim.
You can’t win with Prokofy which is why you should never give her anything in the first place and kick her out, this whole protect Prokofy from everyone else is ridiculous and a sorry state of affairs with almost every resident who follows her and every resident who stands up for her being to blame as well for giving her part of our life time. If you follow her and defend her? you’re an apologist for her acts against residents that is not socially acceptable if anyone else does it by Linden Labs standards so you sure as hell won’t get away with if you allegedly did it to her.
We’re long since past the standing up for her as if shes the victim and needs defending, Prokofy has been wrong far longer than we should care to suffer and Linden Lab like with the JLU encourage this behavior yet have a 0 tolerance policy against everyone else.
I poked into SLU and I see the JLU thread is still going long after that arsehole Joshua finished crying, (sorry to hear your ill Fred) but if you read the latest 4 pages there’s someone saying that Prokofy should not be kicked out because shes a troll and someone else would take her place anyway, and suggesting if she was they should give that right to Ann Otoole, and some other bullshit indicative of a Prokofy rant justifying keeping her around and that we should not expel anyone just because we don’t agree with their point of view.
Well I totally agree with the point about not kicking others out because we don’t agree with their point of view, but it’s not that simple I guess shes living under a rock?
This is not just about her point of view if it was that simple it would have been resolved long ago and she would not be who she is today, you see her as a troll? I see her as a social parasite and while you might get your kicks watching a train wreck I and others don’t after 5 years of her playing victim.
Though the amount of followers she has on twitter is a massive indication that people can’t stop reacting to her in any context, and I truly have had enough, so why haven’t you? shes poison to this world and is part of the problem that’s killed of Lindens with drama and projects with her behavior making it not worth Linden Labs time or investment if the result is this constant drama wrapped around her.
It’s not Prokofy’s Virtual world, shes just a percipient in it and she needs to accept that salting your ideas with drama to get them views is not acceptable and neither is salting drama for your business interests.
Why should we tolerate 5 years of her claiming in-game rape? that disrupts the social fabric of Second Life aka what would be akin to a TOS violation if the context was disturbing other residents inSL.
It’s to bad Linden Lab does not take into account SL is social and outside counts as much as inside if you deliberately link your blog to a SL avatar it should count against you if you’re harassing residents.. and getting them to break the TOS by engaging with you inSL so you can play victim.
And yes it’s akin to claiming in-game rape as you know the definition of game rape is not always the same as an actual sexual act, in the context of what happens to her it’s akin to “owning someone” and that’s the kind of people she attracts for profit to build an e-business on the weak minded who defend her.
So she can claim shes been e-raped by replicating prims and people like you who will be sympathetic and rent from her or buy into her crap so she’ll get blog views, new twitter followers and all the usual exploitation of residents to only turn round and bite the hand that feeds her. And no I’m not jealous of all that, I had a medium voice on twitter once but I decided it was not working out for me as it was feeding me stuff I didn’t want to buy into not just bots but Prokofy’s lies and this manufactured need to update everyone when I take a dump as if it adds value to my life when everyone knows my life.
I’ve heard of the saying if your not making money of it you’re doing it wrong, but it’s time Prokofy backs off this is not 2006, most of us are tired of hearing her faux cry’s of victim and the resulting masses transfixed by her manufactured brain dead e-celebrity stupidity.
Yes we disagree but on the fact of why she does it, and the fact you’ll let her do it to other residents while claiming your against such behavior of residents who harass other residents is distasteful.
That woman is now an apologist for what she calls a troll? but yet sides against the JLU’s behavior and with TWH and WU who are alleged to be trolls by other residents, I’m not sure where you draw the line but it’s some what drawn on e-fame as like they say once a celebrity always out of jail.
Also Dublin is a lag fest, I took a quick visit last night as it was mentioned on the SLU thread and I’ve heard of it before and you know it’s nice to get out, but it’s a badly a built pile of shit that’s socially in-breeding it’s owners into thinking Phantom Zone is clean, and greifers are the reason they’re lagging and the Sim goes down, FYI it’s because you’re Sim is full of laggy shit.
Also my firewall sure as hell didn’t think PZ was clean when I teleported in, something tried to make a connection.
I denied that connection quicker than I… well anyway I denied it and it should not be attempting to connect to my PC in any form, no IP detection / exploit my ass.
Also don’t bother as you’ll get integrated by the gestapo at the entrance on alts, should you be found loitering while that badly built shit is downloading into your cache.
How so? well when a 1 day old integrates me about where I’m from and where my GF lives through a general short conversation and then tells me she goes to SLC and then does not know how to get back to the welcome area by the TP link in the chat box, well it razes red flags.
As does 1 day old accounts called https://my.secondlife.com/mrBadSeed that attempt to talk to me after such alts have dissipated from my line of sight.
As FYI I go by Mr Fustăchio as my display name, and she deferred to me as such and if I was a paranoid schizophrenic I’d be seeing things but as I’m not and I deal with reality of what’s likely to be going on I have to assume it’s a fresh JLU or Dublin spy / drama alt in order to integrate residents with, in this case me.
To bad they either crashed and left after saying HI, I was curious as to how stupid they are, but Judging by the name “mrBadSeed Resident” born that day, heh “there’s one born every minute” perhaps that minute while I was talking to the other one, I can say they’re entirely obviously dumb fucks who haven’t the balls to engage adequately with me in-world for fear of being caught out through chat or lack the ability to get past HI/Hello.
Guess it was a spare of the moment “idea”, yet without any plan and they not knowing what they want out of me they kinda left.
At0m0 Beerbaum
Nov 13th, 2011
@ james what an interesting assumption
I refer to the people who dressed funny, and made unusual things, not people who went out of their way to fuck with people.
You seem to miss my point.
My point is, the classification for being a griefer is someone who steps out of the norm, basically if you arent a cross dressing gay furry or a pedophile, or any combination thereof, you’re a danger to the grid it seems.
At0m0 Beerbaum
Nov 13th, 2011
Also I would have been complacent with just being left alone, as once we got our sims back, I rarely left, namely because I had a funny head, it would result in IMs giving me “warnings” about my “behavior” even though I’d just be shopping.
I came across one business owner who was quite livid about an attachment I had that made me look like I was riding a slug, they went off the deep end about vehicles. Banned, no warnings.
Which is why I said it’s really easy, you dont even have to try to piss off the ultra-sensitive types. Most of the so-called griefers I knew just didnt conform to peoples’ standards, or acted like normal people, it was the insensitive psychotics that lost their shit.
Not to say every single one was innocent, I knew people who would try to crash sims, and outright dick with people. Which is when they suffered the consequences.
We’ve had a few skeptics hang around with us and learned we arent all evil communists or bad people.
We also arent babysitters for those who do act like dicks, if they fuck up, then they suffer from their own actions, however, that wasnt enough for some people, who like to generalize and make one group responsible for one’s actions.
After all, it was the JLU who assumed WU = PN When in reality they ended chilling in our sim in the late hours of the night when NO ONE WAS ON. Which the JLU did know, they just thought taking us out would solve all their problems, we just fought back, which pissed them off.
At0m0 Beerbaum
Nov 13th, 2011
One more note:
Robble doesnt represent the will of anyone.
Robble is robble.
James Doe
Nov 14th, 2011
@At0m0 Beerbaum
Well seems you made some assumtions as well.
“My point is, the classification for being a griefer is someone who steps out of the norm, basically if you arent a cross dressing gay furry or a pedophile, or any combination thereof, you’re a danger to the grid it seems.”
I do not classify as someone who steps out of the norm. A griefer is someone who goes to a sim and harrasses other residents. Particle spaming, Placing Pronographic Images on a PG sim to get others in trouble. Destroying others peoples sims cause the can do so.
Yea so you fight back against the JLU they then fight back and you idiots both sides bring the war into other sims and involve other people like the IFT con. You want to have your little war keep us other residents out of it. But you can’t because many of you can not leave the JLU alone and they can not you. You all a bunch of little kids in a sand box playing but they started it.
Please give the evil communist a rest too. You all really seem to care that Prokofy calls you that. I could careless if your a neo nazi. Just don’t come into other sims and push your “FUN” in my face.
Again your all hurt cause an older woman and a bunch of comic book geeks say bad things about you.
paul
Nov 14th, 2011
yeah, what JD said….
hobo kelly
Nov 14th, 2011
Ban Prok ! (again)
Dontspill McGinnis
Nov 14th, 2011
@ Reader.
Sorry Reader, your brilliance has again baffled me.
What does “shut up Mies” mean?
Adolphina
Nov 14th, 2011
So, this is the last article here? That’s fine. That some opinionated people are in SL is really not news, and the the same people feel the need to bludgeon others with their drama is also not news. I get that from the crazies on the street. Don’t make eye contact and keep walking at a steady pace. Or mace them and walk a little quicker.
Hitler. What a name. Lucky he wasn’t named Smith. Can you image referring to ‘all the little Smiths of SL’? The use of the name is endless and tedious, and hopefully it can be used enough to become meaningless.
Cheers -
Emperor Norton hears a who?
Nov 14th, 2011
Ok, looking at those wall of texts, the question has to be asked; is Bunjie one of Prok’s alts?
IntLibber
Nov 14th, 2011
Bunjie,
Actually, Prok was one of those Arbor club people who think that they DO own their views and that they had a right to get you banned if they didnt like what you put on your land, witness her latest photos on her blog bitching about the panorama boxes people put around their parcels. Prok was one of the people who called adfarmers “land extortionists”.
IntLibber
Nov 14th, 2011
Adolphina,
Pix has been teaching too many classes this quarter/semester and has been short on time.
James Doe
Nov 14th, 2011
@IntLibber
I agree with Prok on the boxes thats why I hate going to any mainland areas, its full of junky looking small parcels with crap and no sense of unity no one lately cares whats around them to make it look like it flows together. Sorry just like in real life if you have alot of junk in your yard, i can call my town for eye sore if i want too.
If you want to put boxes up then go to the sky with them.
If you want a winter sim theme rent from a winter sim.
Senban Babii
Nov 14th, 2011
@James Doe
“If you want to put boxes up then go to the sky with them.”
With all due respect here James, who are you to tell other residents what to do on their land?
I’m not saying I don’t agree that boxes are an eyesore because I do but if I don’t like where I am I go somewhere else. Oh you could certainly cite cases where someone moves in and makes the “neighbourhood” look a mess but if no laws are being broken per se then it comes down to simply negotiating with your neighbour and if negotiation fails then tough monkeys, either lump it or leave. That’s how the world works.
James Doe
Nov 14th, 2011
@Senban Badii
Obviously you do not own a home. Or live in an area where you have to answer to a home owners association. Even when you rent the landlord can tell you what you can or can not place on the outside of the rental or inside the rental. Everyday in our real lives we are told what we can and can not display or build on our land.
Building permits, Building inspectors, aprroval of the town. Sorry thats how the world works hun in the United States.
As far as Second Life I said i don’t like the boxes. I also said its why i don’t go to the mainland anymore unless I have too.
I make a choice to avoid junky looking sims. So Prokofy rents land she is the estate owner much like a landlord or a housing association so she has every right to tell people what they can and can not build on the estate.
Seems you want to just start up a fight because i never said i tell others what to build. I own land and an estate I can tell people via the covenant what they can and can’t build.
Also i can’t build an adult club on a pg sim can I? So some one is telling us what we can and can’t build where.
IntLibber
Nov 15th, 2011
James, if you want a more controlled environment, get land in an estate, or buy your own sim. Mainland is meant to be defecated on by every uncreative slob. YOU DO NOT OWN YOUR VIEW ON MAINLAND AND YOU DONT HAVE A RIGHT TO PUSH YOUR OPINIONS ONTO OTHERS. Neither you nor Prok get it.
Oh, btw i know about the IFT situation. The Bronies had as much right as anybody, more so even, than JLU, to be at the scifi con, given the Bronies are an actual fan group of an actual show, and the JLU are just troublemakers posing as fictional characters. TWH had no reason to be there and I agree that their members were causing trouble there and deserved to be banned for their behavior there.
James Doe
Nov 15th, 2011
IntLibber,
Prok owns there own estate.
I can have an opinion on the what i like or don’t like.
Again you all don’t read well, I said I agree I don’t like boxes in sims. Thats why I do not go to mainland anymore it looks like a junk yard.
I am not pushing my opinion on you am I? I am stating my personal preferance same as Prok he made a comment in his blog so suck it up and accept the opinion.
As for IFT, I never said Bronies weren’t welcome at all, did I? I actually think the Bronies are ammusing the whole concept of a bunch of “male adults” into my little pony. But what ever floats your boat.
I suggest you read Krypton Radio because the JLU are also comic book fans and talk to other professionals in the comic book industry as well. So they have every right to be at the IFT as much as Bronies did too. Bronies should have located themselves in another location of the con to avoid conflict but well Tizzers did it on purpose to provoke.
We both agree that TWH brought their issue with the JLU to the con and griefed other booths.
IntLibber
Nov 15th, 2011
James, Proks ‘estate’ isn’t really a private estate, tho she does have some private sims too, most of her land is on mainland, Ravenglass, Furness and some other areas nearby.
FYI: I was the one who selected the location for the Bronies booth. I had two other booths at the con as well, one for my content business and another for my Star Wars groups i was involved in. Tizzers had nothing to do with building the Bronies booth, that was all built by the members of the Bronies group, particularly Fox Oxbar, a long time Luskwood resident.
JLU do not roleplay, therefore they aren’t engaged in “science fiction” which is what the topic of the con was. They are vigilantes who happen to pose as superheroes. Would you rent a booth to a group of pedophiles who happen to wear star trek united federation uniforms when they rape little kids?
paul
Nov 15th, 2011
Senban,
Maybe when James is offering us his opinions about SL architecture, perhaps he is just exploring the possibility that a blog like this can allow the participants to act with a new morality..or no morality at all. Since no one is stopping him from offering his opinion, perhaps, then, the problem is yours, not his.
James Doe
Nov 15th, 2011
@IntLibber,
I don’t see why one has to have a rp sim to be at the con.
If I recall a clothing store was a sponsor for the con as well this year.
And the JLU has been at the cons longer than the Star wars sims and the Bronies sims. Having been involved in the con for all the years IFT has put it on. This year was the biggest showing of Star Wars roleplay. The JLU has had a booth at the con for several years.
So why are you bring this pehophile crap up. Unless there is proof of these groups being involved in any Pedophile activity its all speculation and you just trying to start something. So its not a legitamite question to ask in this situation, because it doesn’t apply to the SL IFT con at all.
I don’t see the JLU posting pornographic images in sims or on peoples booths or placing phalic prims on others why they are afk.
You all go out of your way to harrass and make fun of them.
IntLibber
Nov 15th, 2011
Actually the reason for all the Star Wars activity was me, I promoted the con in the SWRP community when the NOJ was keeping the con to themselves….
I have never gone out of my way to harass the JLU, I’ve never been to Justice Island. I have, however, had to ban JLU members from my sims when they were slandering me and my business with my residents, filing false abuse reports against my customers, and conspiring with the g-team to try to frame me for things I never did (even things which are impossible to do, like copybotting megaprims). Dont even TRY to act like I’m the bad guy here, I’ve never violated the TOS in my life or griefed anybody, no matter what anybody says.
Senban Babii
Nov 15th, 2011
@James Doe
“Obviously you do not own a home.”
Incorrect.
“Building permits, Building inspectors, aprroval of the town. Sorry thats how the world works hun in the United States.”
But Second Life and especially the mainland is *not* the United States. What you’re arguing for is the creation of some kind of civil local government who will control such things, just like in our meatlife. Wow, what a great gaming experience you’re outlining for us! Let’s all log into SL and see if our building permits have gone through yet! Of course you’d then have to have the plans on display for six months with consultation of the neighbours. Wow I can see it all now, this will be the saving of SL, turning it into a microcosm of real life. I suggest you turn off flying, rezzing and teleports in those sims too, let’s make it superrealistic!
Can you really be arguing for this? I think so actually so I’m going to direct you towards Intlibber’s advice. If that’s the kind of world you wish to create in the Second Life playspace, then you need to buy your own private sims so you can set up your little social experiment in creating the ideal virtual community. Good luck! No seriously I mean that, it could be a cool experiment. But you can’t expect it and demand it on the mainland. If I want to set up a little parcel right next to your mainland property with a giant stack of burning tires I can.
“Also i can’t build an adult club on a pg sim can I? So some one is telling us what we can and can’t build where.”
Perfectly correct but that’s the game gods rather than the grid residents. Or are you suggesting that the game gods should set up a local government function? Are you honestly saying that you’re so incapable of functioning in an environment with other people that you have to call in the grown ups because you can’t have your own way?
“Bronies should have located themselves in another location of the con to avoid conflict”
Why? Why should one group of residents have to locate themselves in another part of the con and not the other group of residents? No one group of residents has priority over another group of residents, no one group of residents is more true to the goals of SL than another group of residents. Because there are in fact no goals, any potential approach to SL is in fact fully legitimate so long as it doesn’t break the underlying TOS.
@Paul
“Maybe when James is offering us his opinions about SL architecture, perhaps he is just exploring the possibility that a blog like this can allow the participants to act with a new morality..or no morality at all. Since no one is stopping him from offering his opinion, perhaps, then, the problem is yours, not his.”
It’s best not to post out loud if you have a reading impediment dear. No one said James Doe couldn’t express his opinion. My point was that he couldn’t reasonably expect to force his social model onto other residents. Now shush, grown ups are talking dear, go play quietly in your room and mommy will bring you some cheesy poofs.
Senban Babii
Nov 15th, 2011
Oh lollipops I just read The Thing From Another World’s latest blog where he openly gets abusive at someone for daring to have a prim ruining the view.
Just because someone refuses to live by your standards and expectations does not give TTFAW any right to become abusive towards other residents. God, imagine living next door to TTFAW in meatlife!
For British readers who remember Viz, please tune your radiophonic reception device now to Meddlesome Ratbag.
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_OMvQU4Z6QmI/S6357Qg3h1I/AAAAAAAABO0/Lae_d2ro2Vc/ratbag%5B15%5D.jpg
James Doe
Nov 15th, 2011
@IntLibber
What is your problem?
I never accused you of being the bad guy. You all obviously don’t read very well in all these things. I have never once said that the JLU is squeeky clean. People have been defending TWH and other “griefer” style groups in here and I have just been pointing out that Prokofy and JLU as Tuxand Senban Put it Playing Second Life their way. Everyone gets hurt that Prokofy complains about Prok writing a blog. Or the JLU collecting data and keeping the chat logs.
Other people do this as well so why aren’t you all raging out against all the other people who do this?
Senban,
The IFT con specifically asked if certain groups had issues with others and that they don’t set up near each other. Several other groups at the con avoided the others so its not unreasonable to ask.
it was the policy of the group who was hosting the con Senban.
IntLibber says he has never gone out of his way to harrass the JLU even though he has issues with them? Yet he parks himself next to them at the con? Sorry the Con Map showed you where people were located for months and weeks before the event.
Again you all fail to read, I am only saying Prok has every right to make a comment on her blog about Prim box builds. But you all seem to feel Prok can not have an opinion or anything about SL unless it seems to agree with you all. I can have an opinion and make comments to my rl landlord, homeowners association and other things. Just like i can in SL. I can go to my neighbor I don’t like the rusted car on blocks. My Neighbor can tell me to piss off or move it. Same thing in secondlife. Is this missed on you all?
That i can ask or write about things all I want.
The TOS/CS is very loose and people can interpet differently.
This was proven when people were indiscussion with GLE about revealing a persons Alt. I can say something is offensive yet someone else may not.
@IntLibber
Then why are you not speaking out against the group that came to the con and damaged other sim owners builds or placed the pornographic images up on others builds?
See this is the issue. Many of these people are backing people who have done this stuff just because you all don’t like the JLU.
I have never been griefed by the JLU, I am not in the wiki, I have not been griefed by woodbury or any other form of them. But I do know when its a grudge match and a vendetta against a couple of children playing king of the hill. Both groups have good people and the bad seeds.
Seems everyone wants to have a free Second Life but they want to ban Prok or JLU. Sorry it doesn’t work that way. If you accept that TWH are playing the game their way then you have to accept the JLU and Prok are playing it the other way.
I am only defending them by pointing out everything people are yelling about others do it just as much as they do.
Everyone screaming for prok to be banned or the JLU are in fact displaying they want to control Second Life as well and are becoming these little hitlers as well.
Senban Babii
Nov 15th, 2011
@James Doe
“But you all seem to feel Prok can not have an opinion or anything about SL unless it seems to agree with you all.”
Wow you really do think that people are trying to suppress your freedom to comment or something? You’ve mentioned it several times now. No one is suppressing your freedom to comment but your freedom to comment comes packaged with our right to reply.
As for the rest, let’s see.
“Everyone screaming for prok to be banned or the JLU are in fact displaying they want to control Second Life as well and are becoming these little hitlers as well.”
Well let’s take Prok first. I don’t want Prok banned. In fact I’m currently writing an article on why Second Life *needs* Prok! Wow, weird right? We’ll see how that one goes if I ever finish writing it.
Now the JLU. Yes, the JLU should be banned with extreme prejudice. But why? Well because the JLU crossed the lines. They took the game so far outside of its boundaries and attacked people in meatlife. They have lost the privilege of being welcomed into the playspace.
Tell me, have you ever heard of the Kerafyrm? This was a large creature in the old Everquest MMO. It was technically undefeatable. A huge consortium of players banded together to defeat it. The game company, seeing its creature being defeated decided to pull the plug and reset the game. The uproar was huge. The game company was in the wrong because they had in effect stepped outside of the gamespace in order to win. When they realised the reaction to what they’d done they issued an apology and later allowed the players to defeat the Kerafyrm.
This is the exact same problem we have with the JLU. There’s actually nothing wrong with AR parties! In what way is that any different to the old red-linking hit squads of the Sim Shadow Government in TSO? That’s using the tools of the game in creative ways (although I’d argue that SL residents have access to toon many tools but that’s a different argument). If they’d stuck to that then maybe things would have been okay (it would be annoying but the weaknesses of AR systems have been well-covered by Uri in his book for example) But they took the option of stepping outside the game, choosing instead to try to get people kicked out of their college courses and cause actual real life problems for people just so they could win a game.
Now okay, I’ll turn this on its head before someone else does. Tizzers did the same thing when she visited Kalel on Halloween. But just like Sony with the Kerafyrm, she later apologised for the error in judgement. Kalel and the JLU however refuse to even see that what they’ve done is wrong. They are adamant that they are in the right and that any means are justified in order to wipe out opposition and dissent. They do not deserve the privilege of being allowed to log into SL because they crossed the lines and are unrepentant.
Are you starting to understand the differences now James?
James Doe
Nov 15th, 2011
@Senban Babii
Sorry I have not heard the JLU knocking on someones door in all this.
Tizzer took this directly to Kalel’s front door. Kalel was sending e-mails or letters or calling a school or work places.
The difference is Tizzers drove out of his way with his friends to go pull a bad prank on Kalel. Tizzer’s stepped over the line into real life stalking by showing up. No apology in my mind can make up for that act. I hear it was just a young prank sure it may have been but it was also to send a message to Kalel that see I know where you live.
It was a passive threat.
So then Tizzers needs to be removed completely from SL if you expect the JLU as well. Let also not forget the Blogs that also posted JLU’s personal information those people should be removed just as much completely.
You forget others are collecting data just like the JLU. Please go back and read the SLU forums. Should all the people who were doing what the JLU and collecting rl world info making rl world calls as well be removed? If so then lets get rid of Joshua Nightshade and all his alts. So we get rid of the JLU who is next?
Other groups and individuals are doing the same thing. I suggest if you really believe the overstepping into the real world is a crime for sl then do your research on others who do it as well. Then come back and I will accept your view of getting the JLU banned from SL.
Don’t give me well it doesn’t concern me BS because it does and could.
I believe you have a right to your opinion just as much as Prok or myself. Its the rights we are allowed to have with the Internet to express our BS anyway we want. Some people can be all pissed off about our views but we do not have to silence them.
James Doe
Nov 15th, 2011
Edit,
Lets also not forget that the Professor of the Woodbury college was encouraging what people are calling griefing. The Woodbury sim was being used to promote at times griefing. No I am not saying all students were doing this. But I don’t see the other colleges in the sl doing this to the extent of Woodbury vocal griefing minority.
If you are a designated representative for something like a college a business, and you are caught doing something against the TOS or CS. I would hope the college or business would want to know that said people are ruining your schools or business’s image and reputation in the virtual world.
I knew nothing about the real college of Woodbury. All i heard about them was how they are a bunch of trouble makers and griefers.
Yet they slapped a swastika in there sim so map view would show it I am sure the dean of the college and the board loved that image if these jokers want to do that go do it on the real life schools wall to push the boundaries of the new morals you all talk about.
Senban Babii
Nov 15th, 2011
@James Doe
See this is the beauty of the internet. It’s not about me winning a debate or you winning a debate. I’ve laid out my thoughts and backed them up reasonably well. You’ve laid out yours. It’s not about me trying to convince you because I know I can’t. You’re already entrenched in your approach. But other people can read the various arguments and come to their own opinions.
“Other groups and individuals are doing the same thing. I suggest if you really believe the overstepping into the real world is a crime for sl then do your research on others who do it as well. Then come back and I will accept your view of getting the JLU banned from SL.”
I’ve already said previously (do try to keep up) that I don’t believe that *anyone* who takes it outside of the magic circle has a place in the gamespace. I accept that people make mistakes and I accept that people can be repentant and I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and a second chance. But when a group such as the JLU continuously takes these actions and when confronted basically tells the world to feck itself then I don’t believe they have a place in the game. And yes, the same goes for *anyone* doing this. It’s one thing to extend the magic circle into the surrounding social media, it’s entirely another to go beyond that.
The truth is though, SL has become irrevocably infected with the kind of people who don’t get this. JLU, Redzone, Voodoo etc etc etc. It’s become the norm instead of an occasional outrage and that’s why SL needs to be left to die.
“Don’t give me well it doesn’t concern me BS because it does and could.”
It *doesn’t* concern me any more. As someone who has to all intents and purposes left SL a long time ago (I finally got round to uninstalling the clients the other night during a bit of a cleanup) and who now just likes to observe and comment, I don’t really care whether the whole thing implodes as the entire population doxes itself into the ground. When potential residents see that playing a game will expose them to such risks, they will simply look elsewhere, no matter how many hunt the crystal games are created as distractions from the real problems.
Bunjie
Nov 15th, 2011
This morning I was going to make a long winded comment, but I had meat life appointments and I find this doesn’t seem to break through peoples miss conceptions about the virtual world around them and what the UN-written mainland laws are.
If you don’t know them by now you’re a noob, just like Prokofy who sets herself up as an expert on Land law and usage, and what Linden Lab should do for our benefit, as noted by her attempt to run that group event “that dam prokofy” for e-land barons which I attended.
So in semi-short I’d like to provide an example that’s been written about on either this blog, Prokofy’s or new world notes, no less I believe in 2008 and if you read what I said before then you should understand this.
In 2008 I believe Torley Linden’s real world wife was working on contract for Linden Lab, aka the Linden public works? or some other group name, so an old resident bought some mainland parcel and then a year or a few months later along comes Torley’s wife and builds a HUB on it. Long story short this woman engages in a rage fest with Linden Lab, Torley and his wife about it using too many resources (based on 50+ residents using the sim) and she not being able to use her e-land.
Under normal circumstances someone would have counted their blessings and either sold out for a tone of e-cash and bought a full sim or half/quarter a sim with friends etc or have used it for advertising like Anshe Chung and Prokofy does, but she wanted to force her will on Linden Lab and the land around her that she felt was her right to zone it etc because she’d been there for a while and it was her right vs everyone else having to adhere to her interests.
She sited the TOS clause about residents using too many resources for the land they own (in relation to 50+ avatars at the HUB leaving no login space for her to use it), but this was against Linden Lab lol and this was a lucrative HUB for someone willing and able to bend themselves to an opportunity, but she couldn’t.
Do you know how Linden Lab resolved it in their eyes? they (Torley’s wife or Torley) put up a megaprim wall and muted her / and deleted tickets no doubt, and turned the outside transparent so she could see in but noobs could not see out and so she’d not get the traffic as noobs didn’t think there was any reason to leave the chat box.
She lost out big time….
Don’t believe me? go dig… It’s true, so Linden Lab are of the same mind everyone else is when they use Mainland, it’s just Prokofy who can’t seem to adjust herself to what mainland really is (the same as their sandboxes without the auto return) and what an open group does, not just to her playing victim but socially to everyone else on this service when she cry’s about it.
And if you’re not a noob you’ll know why this is accepted, because it pushes residents to either purchase more land for the view or completely move to renting from a 3rd party like ex-intlibber, ex-prokofy *wink* or directly by purchasing one of Linden Labs hugely expensive full sims and if you are a noob this is where Linden Lab make real bank.
So in conclusion if I was weird em OK…. I could say Prokofy again in her infinite wisdom at the head of this virtual world (because no one is willing to remove her and fight anyone attempting to talk about it) is working Linden Lab to destroy itself by forcing everyone to comply with zoning laws that remove the need for Linden Lab to make any real money.
Just like she pushed for the coders she so hates to invest Linden Labs resources in making unencroachable trees that resulted in teens returning Linden Labs roads etc. the very people she pushes out of SL at every attempt should they not come up and work on her ideas.
While Prokofy lives in a world of fairy’s no offence to in-world fairy’s
we all live in the reality that Linden Lab needs a mainland method to make people buy more e-land and as such that’s why they leave it as a pile of shit.
Those who want to complain, go buy more e-land or shut the fuck up, don’t like the view? sell up or put up!
And my point about the land I owned, well just because I owned nearly a whole mainland sim it does not give me the right to dictate what others should do on sims around me, and nether does it give me the right to dictate what hold outs on that sim should do, but these are UN-written laws that even Linden Lab briefcases buy into because it’s their method to make bank.
Also just to note I believe Linden Lab can transfer e-land to you via a ticket if someone is away for a period of years if it’s in your expansion path but I’m not sure if they do that anymore and if they have restrictions on plot size.
So you can either side with Prokofy that has no basis of e-business and the virtual reality we inhabit, even though it’s a nice idea to zone and make it look nice and which is what some do but your rights end at the land you own, this same woman who’s on side with the JLU who report each and every mainland spam prim they see (which also makes people less likely to invest deeper inSL, and is a retarded idea to police mainland by themselves or force Linden Lab to waste support time dealing with it) the same woman who want’s Linden Lab to waste support time on policing main land zones.
Or you can side with US and Linden Lab, which is it bro?