Understanding the “Little Hitlers” of Second Life
by Pixeleen Mistral on 24/10/11 at 1:50 am
I’ve long wondered at the connection between Second Life’s endless supply of over-the-top drama and the strange psychology of certain players -- particularly those seriously invested in “defending” Linden Lab and “policing” the Second Life grid.
What is it about Second Life that attracts and retains obsessive-compulsive meta-gamerz who can’t keep their play inside the game?
Do large land tier payments to the Lab trump civil discourse even when Lab staff are swept up in an ugly cycle of Twitter/Google bombing payback as we saw with the LabRatuOut mess? After a concerted effort to attract the Lab’s attention to the recent excesses of the Justice League Unlimited, some of my friends in The Pink Hands faction are getting a bit cynical.
the Pink Hands faction is becoming cynical about Linden Lab
The golden rule seems to be in effect - those spending the virtual gold, rule. Perhaps Rod Humble is just hoping he can finish his new not-SL mobile-device-enabled game before the house of cards falls.
Meanwhile, consider notoriously toxic trolls such as Jumpman Lane, Kalel Venkman’s Justice League Unlimited vigilantes, or Prokofy Neva -- and the level of effort required to spend years tracking and data-mining other players or mounting an endless series of intensive blog, Twitter, and Google bombing campaigns designed to humiliate and destroy enemies.
Forgiveness and redemption seem to be alien concepts for some trolls upstanding Second Life residents, which implies a deep psychological need is being addressed. What exactly is going on?
A recent article in The Economist describing how “quite ordinary people will succumb to bad behaviour if the circumstances are right” may hold some answers.
According to the article, Nathanael Fast of the University of Southern California and colleagues at Northwestern and Stanford universities ran a series of experiments to see if social circumstances around power and status have the potential to create “little Hitlers” who annoy and frustrate others for their own gratification - or are certain individuals predisposed to this sort of behaviour simply gravitating into situations where they can behave badly?
The experiments randomly placed participants into one of 4 groups: high power/high status, low power/low status, low power/high status, and high power/low status. Participants were given the option of forcing other participants to perform humiliating actions -- or not.
Those in the low status/high power group chose significantly more demeaning tasks to impose onto other participants, while those in the other 3 groups did not exhibit this behaviour.
Does this mean that the more extreme guardians of Second Life feel they are in a position of low status in real life and are compensating by harassing and humiliating those within their reach?
If, as the study suggests, the combination of low status and high power is a recipe for trouble, I am beginning to think the celebrated free social media tools which empower those dedicated to cultivating their Internet notoriety may contain the seeds of their own destruction as the "little Hitlers" of the social media use their online power to trash everyone else.
Do you still want to play Web 2.0 after watching Jumpman Lane’s Twitter assault on Stroker Serpentine, LabRatuOut’s assault on Esbee Linden, or after following Prokofy Neva’s carefully crafted Google bombing attacks on all and sundry? How do you feel after learning that Kalel Venkman is still expanding and unsuccessfully attempting to secure his Brainiac wiki data mine?
Is this the sort of game you want to play?
xzibit
Nov 18th, 2011
@Reader paul and JD
Yo dawg, I herd you like internet personas, so I put an internet persona in your internet persona so you can internet persona while you internet persona.
Dontspill McGinnis
Nov 18th, 2011
@ Reader
I don’t know who “Mies” is, but as you well know, I am not he/she.
I am an original avatar from ’07. I am short, I have a long beard and a bloody great axe. I don’t have reason to hide my SL identity, but if it makes you happy to think I am someone else, then you go right ahead.
Its not like your credibility can get any lower by trying to troll me, is it?
GG3
Nov 18th, 2011
@DontSpill
Reader is a JLU troll
“Mies” is a fail come-back
James Doe
Nov 18th, 2011
Xzibit,
Your funny!!
Aren’t we all just Internet Personas.
@GG3
So Reader is a JLU troll because he doesn’t agree with you and the other griefer lovers here?
@Robble,
The JLU was never security at the con. I don’t even think I said they were. But you can go back the 600 posts and prove I did which is fine with me I just plan don’t want to look back at all the older posts.
So coming to the con to prove that the JLU security was a fail only made you all look bad. So what do the rest of the Pink Hands think of you admitting the con was griefed by you and the fellow WH? Pixel here is saying that the members of TPH are disappointed nothing is being done about the JLU well I would think they should be disappointed in allowing people like you in the group when they say they aren’t griefers.
In your wisdom you felt it was ok to grief others who had no clue about you or the issues with the JLU to prove a point. Welcome to why people hate griefer like you.
Take your war away from others who don’t care about it.
Hey by the way another con is coming up plan on coming to this one and doing the same thing again?
IntLibber Brautigan
Nov 18th, 2011
Clearly the consequence of the collapse of the JLU and the massive loss of trust across the grid, means that Kalolzcakes has a ton more time to play sock puppets in Herald comments…
James Doe
Nov 18th, 2011
@IntLibber
What collapse of the JLU? I seem to see that they are still around and they still are in several sims as well as the radio station stream. So I am trying to understand where you see this collapse and mistrust.
Oh yea so I guess me asking you about this makes me a sock puppet of the JLU.
Bunjie
Nov 18th, 2011
@James Doe
Hi hi
Perhaps we have a miss understanding, let me break it down with less coffee.
You don’t speak for anyone else but yourself, or do you? if so who are you speaking on behalf of? you sure as hell don’t speak for me as a basic resident and neither do you speak for anyone I know closely, and as I don’t see you standing up and saying:
“This is who I am and what I’ve experienced and why I think such!”
That would grant you any right and the basic respect of such residents you seem to wish to speak for, why are you still here fighting? it seems to be some kinda of hypocrisy you have going on here or little Hitler syndrome judging by how you’re engaging with other residents through this site.
I’d like to know as others would why you consider yourself able to speak out on this issue if you’re not just a troll or a sock puppet, at least if you let us know you’re a sock puppet we’ll have a rough understanding of what you’ve experienced and why you still feel this issue is one you need to fight for.
Without outing yourself with a basic account of any type you should not consider yourself in any position to be any kind of representative on behalf of the uninformed residents and engaging in a micro war to get the issue focused towards your point of view is distasteful conduct.
Your little micro war here pretty much proves you do care for what ever reason.
When you say:
“Take your war away from others who don’t care about it.”
This is a statement from someone who sees themselves as a leader and able to speak for others or for the community as a whole or are you speaking on behalf of the DR WHO community and in what context or role do you manage this? let me guess you think being in charge of “security” of a few sims grants you the ability to bully other residents who don’t share your perspective on privacy and the ability to speak for Sim and Linden Lab policy? and on top of that go outside of that “enclosed space” to speak for and protect others who you’ve yet to even let know you’re trying to represent them? (because you hide like a little coward, and don’t bring a strong persona with you to the debating table, that others can decide for themselves if you can back up your words and experiences and wish to support your perspective).
And as the whole community is not fully aware yet of how bad the JLU are and how much of a danger they are to their current and future privacy or their investments in-world or just their use of this virtual world due to being branded through one of their “security systems” that is little more than a list of names the JLU have a beef with and that likely extra kick in the teeth of them trying to exploit the service in some way to build up this database of persona’s, how do you know they don’t care?
You’re a huge coward, and you don’t qualify to take part in this debate until you quantify your existence with a little persona so we can understand you better.
It’s only fair if you’re attacking them for being on the table with who they are, at least they admit they’re some times wrong and have learned from it.
Reader
Nov 18th, 2011
If you google the heck out of “Muziekfreak1980″ you will discover rapidly that Mies lives for the internetz. You will also find revealing styles of writing on many a blogsite. Who knew this idiot was an audio buff? That part was interesting. But back on topic, take a good 30 mintues, read what Muziekfreak1980 has to say about this and THAT but more importantly, watch carefully his unique stands, reactions and prose. Armed with this knowledge, apply that style alert to many-a-troll comment you read here and on the SLU.
Tux and Mies have so much in common it’s frightening.
But ‘theList’ doesn’t stop there..
nor here
Watch the ranting by the stooge brigade and take careful notice who is revealing just how much all of THIS matters on a daily basis and how THIS is all they have. Funny how handles get hijacked on this forum, no? Enough said.
Peace Out!
Robble "little hitler" Rubble
Nov 18th, 2011
@ James Doe
I’m in the pink hands because I actually do stuff about the JLU. I pointed out what sub groups were actually violating tos and provided screenshots for the public. No one would have to known to even bother with the sister PD groups if if wasn’t for me and other twh members pointing out the tos breaking 911 boxes in world. This is just one example of many of the things I did over the course of the past few months. I could sit here making some huge long post about how much stuff I did but I’m not some dickwavingSo yeah whoops I didn’t respond properly to their stalking before, do I regret it? No not really.
Robble "little hitler" Rubble
Nov 18th, 2011
@ James Doe
I’m in the pink hands because I actually do stuff about the JLU. I pointed out what sub groups were actually violating tos and provided screenshots for the public. No one would have to known to even bother with the sister PD groups if if wasn’t for me and other twh members pointing out the tos breaking 911 boxes in world. This is just one example of many of the things I did over the course of the past few months. I could sit here making some huge long post about how much stuff I did but I’m not some dickwaving ape. So yeah whoops I didn’t respond properly to their stalking before, do I regret it? No not really.
I have no idea if I am going to be at the next IFC, but chances are, no, probably not.
Robble "little hitler" Rubble
Nov 18th, 2011
Also, doublepost, blame it on my phone.
Tux
Nov 18th, 2011
Reader, why google the heck out of anything? Really? I don’t need google to form my opinions. I do that on my own. So we know you are OCD about both ‘Mies’ and I. Keep that in check, lol. That sort of thing has a habit of consuming you. You know, like contacting my siblings when I die!
Seriously no one here warrants an intensive googling. This is merely chat. You constantly say both the TWH and the JLU upset you, but you are not beyond searching for information. Pot? Kettle?
None of THIS matters. Except when THIS matters to some, you being one.
I don’t need google to know who you are, and I really enjoy the guesses of those who don’t. I enjoy this toe to toe, really I do. But I fear, it goes over most peoples heads.
Now I do not speak for the TWH, TPH or JLU. Never have really, but I do like this routine. Always have. Unfortunately I am quite busy and cannot place so much time into it. So I am sad that I cannot feed you enough to keep you happy.
I wish you the best old friend.
James Doe
Nov 18th, 2011
@Bunjie
Ok let me share a Quote Dialogue from a great movie
IM: Who are you?
MiB: No one of consequence
IM: I must know
MiB: Get used to disappointment
IM: ‘kay.
I do not have to justify to you or anyone who I am.
Like I have said in the past I have used James Doe many times in Second Life.
It could even be my real name. But it doesn’t matter because you all wouldn’t believe anything I put forward since you looking for someone you know. Or someone who you think you know. I can give you an SL name but it won’t give you any more of a clue to anything. Hell I could just find a name and hand it to you. Yet you will still not believe it. So what is the point?
See you all are so interested in having some validation. Just because I use a possible name that seems what they tag unknown people with no identity makes you paranoid people. My opinion and my voice is as valid as yours is Bunjie.
Now if you take Robble’s opinion I am either Prok, a JLU sock Puppet or Cathiee McMillan. I could be a Linden, I could be a member of TWH or TPH.
Or I could be just your average fan of sci-fi and saw what happened at the sci-fi con and desire to speak out against the actions of the griefers like TWH and people like the JLU.
Reader
Nov 18th, 2011
Tux, you’re a blatant idiot and a contradictory malcreant. Why?
Because you love the devices of “information” and exposure when it suits your specific needs but you then turn and take a nonchalant position when it seems fitting in rebuttal and in your best, immediate interest. Your blog, your YouTube, your tweets and your web-presence speaks for itself. Get a grip Tux. Your own propaganda exploits, when you “find the time in your busy schedule”, speaks volumes to the casual reader. Autistic forgetfulness much? The google tip was meant for the general public, not you Thurston. Learn the concept of “directed message”.
I’m on a dynamic research project.
You’re just a griffin, simpleton idiot with a hard-on for the JLU and Prok. (and remember, you should call a doctor when the erection lasts more than four hours)
Know the difference.
Peace Out!
Tux
Nov 18th, 2011
Oh come now Reader, don’t loose your cool now.
I only use information handed to me. Not waste my time digging into archives spread throughout the internet. Not my thing.
Lol I know what you are on dear friend.
And just an FYI, anything less than four hours counts as premature ejaculation IMO.
Knowing you as I do I expected more. Idiot and malcreant? Is that really your best shot? I would have put money on another come back. It seems I would have lost. Except I know you thought it XD
Dontspill McGinnis
Nov 18th, 2011
Ah, “Reader”, you dissapoint me.
You used to at least try!
There I was thinking you liked Dwarves.
Have you stopped taking the medication or something? Isn’t merging all the people you don’t like into one big “super villain” a form of paranoia?
Reader
Nov 18th, 2011
Carerful there Tux. Your are losing your composure with regard to what is “handed to you” vs. what you’ve been steadily handing out.
and BTW, idiot and malcreant is completely fitting and absolutely the right choice in characterizations.
Mark is going to wish he could undo much of what he signed up to all these years..complicit failure is still failure in the final analysis.
“Mark” those words Thurston.
Reader
Nov 18th, 2011
@ Spill
Lumping all the idiots into one characterization serves a bigger purpose. Your comment comes as a surprise actually considering that you are uniquely part of the big bad paranoia complex that sports hard-ons for the Prok and JLU. Try a different tactic please or better yet, take some growth hormone & go outside.
oh and before I forget
shut up Mies
: )
Reader
Nov 18th, 2011
RIP Tux
LMAO
Robble "little hitler" Rubble
Nov 18th, 2011
@ James Doe
First you were a sim owner participating in the IFC and now you are saying you were just a sci fi fan in attendance? Were you even present for the attacks you have been carrying on about for weeks or are you just slinging mud?
RIP Tux
Nov 18th, 2011
Glad to see you have calmed some what Reader. Although I suggest you drop the constant references to hard ons. That appears to be becoming almost obsessive too.
I do hope you feel better soon.
James Doe
Nov 18th, 2011
Robble,
I see your reading comprehension skills are lacking
I said
“Or I could be just your average fan of sci-fi and saw what happened at the sci-fi con and desire to speak out against the actions of the griefers like TWH and people like the JLU.”
I believe the words you want to look at for better understanding are I COULD
Yes I was present for the attacks at the con.
Bunjie
Nov 18th, 2011
@Reader
“I’m on a dynamic research project.”
Yea I noticed Kalel how you’ve recently joined a “research” group to claim your acting with good grace while collecting residents real life information, as I recently glanced over to see how you’re getting on.
It’s such a shame I can’t see that stream to see if you’re doing OK as you know, oh wait you don’t because you don’t engage on 3rd party websites /sarcasm but if you did in the JLU SLU thread I’m genuinely worried for your mental health throughout all this, but well I guess putting your “league response” URL in your BIO speaks volumes for how fucked your feeling by the weight of the social backlash of your behavior, and on the side collecting a few IP’s of those who visit from your SL profile refer for data mining later or free speach blocking on your blog.
Perhaps acting like an adult would help, if you just admit you’ve made mistakes and have learned from it we can all move on.
@James Doe
I have no need to state who I am, this is not an interview for a Linden Lab job or AH’s profile of the year, and to do so would be an over statement of my ego as well as my interaction on this topic.
My history is available for others to Judge via profiles/streams/websites/comments etc, but if you don’t understand my involvement I’m merely acting passively at the moment until it’s necessary to not do so.
As this issue must be resolved by the JLU talking to TWH and WU etc not by me or you, but we can participate in it although you seem to want to lead it for Kalel aka @Reader who still lacks the leadership to be policing Second Life.
I believe strongly on that what the JLU do is wrong as well as what Linden Lab did was wrong, I’m willing to put my name and past and previous reputations on the table via anyone who steps forward with a claim of my misconduct, as I do with taking on the possibility of being perma-banned when residents like you who have no moral ability to debate in the open and prefer the cowards method, send in falsified abuse reports to silence my voice and my invested experiences through this platform.
I accept all the legal and moral fall out, and maybe being ostracized at furcon for it should my perspective be lacking but I don’t believe it is and maybe @Reader is not Kalel, but we’ll never know when you act so cowardly and regurgitate things that put ideas in our head for what ever malicious purpose you have.
TWH and WU have put themselves upfront throughout this whole issue and took on the responsibility for what they’ve done, yes they’ve been punished by LL if some of those abuse reports were true but due to evidence that’s been leaked it’s highly doubtful they’ve been perma-banned for the right reasons and as part of some over reaction of LL’s part for the JLU abuse reports and Linden grooming.
I can’t sit here all day and baby sit your perspective or take part in the derail you so wish for either lulz or what ever “entertainment” you seek out of not acting in good faith, I spend my time working towards making something to entertain others that’s not drama and not bawwwing, but actual content through this platform and how ever crap it is at the moment I have my “idea” and “dream” as I did before I’ll do now and put years into refining it for the benefit of not just me but others who want to trace my path of learning pro 3d in the future.
As for Kalel and the JLU they just hide like you do, both are cowards as well as the fact they don’t take on the adult responsibility for their actions, and those things we call wider implications of what they say about others and what they do to them.
Though a few JLU have recognized in the past and present that the JLU are not the group they claim to be and have moved on, it’s the ones that don’t that need to be exposed for what they’re doing and planning to do based on hateful grudges and miss understanding of other social cultures.
I have nothing to hide and I believe WU/TWH/TPH and anyone posting here who has stood up and said this is who I am and why I believe it has nothing to hide either, and I and they have a great deal of experience to express which is why we can see many sides to this issue and speak the truth. Which is that you’re a coward as is Kalel and that they’re a danger to the SL residents and the wider internet if emboldened by Linden Lab or anyone who thinks they’re doing “research” and let’s them get away with abusing other residents for it, and that’s why we say who we are because we’re adults.
Yet you still hide like a coward expecting residents to believe your “factual” argument on this topic is based in vast experience of SL and not just trolling, you’re only ever proving you’re a waste of space by your lack of ability to back it up with experience of the platform, and you can say what ever you want but I don’t believe it until you come out with the persona you are.
All I asked you to do was respect the social norms regarding pre SL interaction as this website is geared 90% towards Second Life, eg when you first meet someone a basic profile gives incite into that person and allows me and others to respect you via your path of experience, or mentally link back to what we basically know of you, so we can understand and accept what you say or otherwise we just think you’re a troll or a sock puppet or Kalel or GLE.
I was giving you a bone but you don’t seem to want to take it, in favor of playing the cowards card and attacking anyone who stands up.
How many way’s can I explain it to you? how many ways can I offer you the chance of coming out and taking part in the deeper resolution of these conflicts? it seems you have nothing behind that keyboard to offer any of us with regards to a brain cell or an active experience we can share an understanding on.
Hiding behind a curtain in a debate is a cowards trick, you can’t expect to win an argument if you say you believe a point so strongly but don’t back it up with who you are.
As we do learn many things from just viewing your interests and groups, if you really don’t understand think of an account either banned or none banned as a “passport” to engage in a sl social topic, without one that shows us where you’re from on this platform, your argument means squat as you’ve not proved you’re an active participant within the wider social platform.
I also don’t speak for anyone but myself and of my experiences around such issues, being part of SL for many years as well as taking in knowledge of what certain residents are up too when it comes out as public knowledge “or not” *wink* because I have been around such residents through direct experience, this is what I feel allows me to have an opinion and take part and push for a resolution.
I do not want to be tracked in-world even though I have nothing to hide I have that basic right, I don’t want to play cat and mouse with every land exploit, I just want to login and experience second life without Prokofy’s Lies and without the JLU harassing anyone.
You’re neither offering a solution or anything that means I should give you respect on your perspective, I don’t want to know your RL, IP, Sexual Fetishes, I just want what everyone expects a basic understanding of you other than that your a sock puppet or a troll.
Reader
Nov 18th, 2011
Prok-like wall of rant-text Alert!
Reader
Nov 18th, 2011
what the **** is this:
“Perhaps acting like an adult would help, if you just admit you’ve made mistakes and have learned from it we can all move on.”
You will never move on bunghole;
THIS IS ALL YOU HAVE
Reader
Nov 18th, 2011
“I just want to login and experience second life without Prokofy’s Lies and without the JLU harassing anyone.”
This right here sums it up folks.
Delusion has a very serious side when it is mixed with psychosis.
Second Life is a big place. Thanks for letting us know how the Prok and JLU interfere in your ability to have a good time. Sounds like your interweb walls are crashing in on you.
Get laid much?
Robble "little hitler" Rubble
Nov 18th, 2011
Jeeze Reader, do you have to try that hard to be a dick or does it come naturally?
James Doe
Nov 18th, 2011
“I do not want to be tracked in-world even though I have nothing to hide I have that basic right, I don’t want to play cat and mouse with every land exploit, I just want to login and experience second life without Prokofy’s Lies and without the JLU harassing anyone.”
Intresting Bunjie
Seems the people at the IFT con wanted the same thing, but TWH group decided to harrass not only the JLU but other people at the con. So lets kick TWH out and JLU and Prok. Lets add Pixel to that cause i am sure somepeople don’t like what Pixel writes or her support of known griefers. who’s next?
RIP Tux
Nov 18th, 2011
Reader:
‘Delusion has a very serious side when it is mixed with psychosis.’
Experience of this old pal?
‘Get laid much?’
You know the people who bring up sex all the time often aren’t having any or have poor performance themselves. Now there may be a genuine medical reason for it, but as a suggestion, try not to highlight it. Just because it is constantly on your mind doesn’t mean you have to vocalise it.
IntLibber Brautigan
Nov 18th, 2011
James, sorry, but the IFT people at the con were arrogant stubborn noobs, who ignored good advice on how to have a good public event with inherent coded security in place.
BTW: I too grew up in a rural area where everybody keeps their doors unlocked, but guess what? Occasionally, some shitheads rob some houses, and everybody locks their doors until the shitheads are caught. Thats the job that locks serve, they are there for a purpose, not for you to idiotically express false pride in the proven false utopia you insist you live in even if the real world simply isnt that perfect. Keys and locks were made to keep basically honest people honest. When you don’t use them, you encourage people to behave dishonestly.
So too, the land and group tools are there for a PURPOSE, to be USED, not to be blissfully ignored by lotus eating arrogant idiots. SL is not your Norman Rockwellian utopia. This is a lesson I learned years ago in SL: Most of the people in SL live in places that have little respect for private property compared to the small US towns we grew up in. You need to accept that, and account for it to operate in SL.
Intblabber McBraggsalot
Nov 19th, 2011
@Doe: Yes, you are a sockpuppet for the JLU. You fool nobody save your pathetic self. You’re most likely an alt of a JLU member.
@Intblabber Bragsagain: save your grandfatherly advice for someone who gives a shit about what you think, like your mommy. You try way too hard to come off as a wizened veteran when you’re really a delusional idiot who takes the internet way too seriously. Don’t you think it’s finally time to grow up, dipshit?
Intblabber McBraggsalot
Nov 19th, 2011
Everybody knows that those who accuse others of not getting any aren’t getting anything but Rosie Palm.
Grow the fuck up, moron. What? Are you still in high school or something FFS?
Robble "little hitler" Rubble
Nov 19th, 2011
@JD
Maybe you need to have your eyes checked, you keep on criticizing me for the attack on the IFC yet I wasn’t present for the musical chairs and texture changing on prims. The account of mine that did attend the con (G0rdon Friedman) was put on hold after visiting the JLU parcel, well before the attack you witnessed. Yes I did tell them that some of their prims and other booth’s prims were movable before I did move them and I only moved the JLU’s prim, I didn’t indiscriminately attack every booth like you are accusing me of. Though if all the attendees who attended are anything like you have presented yourself I have no pity whatsoever for them. When I stopped bothering posting in this thread you so helpful tracked down my posts and took out of context quotes to sling mud at.
Also, all of this bitching you are doing about how horrible the griefing at your con was is doing nothing besides filling the water with chum and attracting the attention of all the little “me too” groups that are floating around, groups like kingoon, who will have no qualms about bringing actual griefing weapons along instead of just walking around exploiting the con’s non existent security. Congrats, you have just pretty much plastered a giant kick me sign on the back of the next IFC.
Have fun being a fucking busybody but I have more important things to do than answer accusations about an attack I wasn’t even present for.
And in closing, go fuck yourself you cowardly little busybody.
Reader
Nov 19th, 2011
Unused domain: forwarded to kryptonradio.com by Tux Winkler.
oh now that is funny right there
RIP Tux
Nov 19th, 2011
I figured someone would like it. Unfortunately you are a little slow, I have been receiving messages about it for some time.
And no, there are no tracks to cover, lol. If you knew anything about the internet you would already know once out there things cannot easily be redacted.
But it doesn’t stop there, it is a large domain pool, sl4.me is but one.
Bunjie
Nov 19th, 2011
@James Doe
I guess I’ll have to break it down even lower, and you might see me as a little hitler for it but I believe these to be the “social ethics” or unwritten “magic circle rules” we’re expecting within this blog environment as you’ve moved way past the ability to hide as an anonymous commenter.
What grade do you currently read at? k5 Kindergarten? because I’ll struggle to break it down that far with hand puppets and “where did the bad man touch you anthologies”.
I’m not sure why it’s anyone’s fault but your own that you don’t know how to use the 3 sea shells, and why it’s not acceptable in a debate to participate as a coward when leading the opposition.
The three sea shells of this site are as forth.
1. Name (required) – pseudonym / SL account name / other.
2. Email (required) – will not be published.
3. Website (optional) – unless debating.
3. is where you put your shit aka the 3rd sea shell, this is where we get to know who you are and what you’re like, mine has always existed next to all my comments allowing others to know who I am and contact me (quick click contact domain), and I still don’t have anyone bothering me about comments I made on here in any context or any place outside of this site’s “magic circle” or inside SL.. because of it.
So you’re a coward and I can say this clearly from direct experience because it’s clear from my own perspective that I’ve through this site not even received a PZ perma-block from the JLU for my opinion about them, but I do believe the new “T category” was perhaps in response to residents like me whom have a differing opinion but of course it would be “bad publicity” to be seen as perma-rage bawwww banning over comments like Voodoo do when they banned all Greenzone group residents.
Hence why the JLU camped Grim Brothers shop on the steampunk hunt hoping to catch and harass TWH or me in order to have something to leverage against me, after all I did do the steampunk hunt in “their territory” where PZ was deployed, not least due to the fact I thought I’d like to check out those steampunk sims before I get banned for them for my opinion.
And so it comes down too giving the land owners using PZ the option of adding “Trolls” they’ve defamed as such through this system (TOS Violation, Object defaming another resident) they’ve shifted the blame to them but still get to cause these residents inconvenience in-world.
Well anyway the links are there telling residents and Linden Lab spy’s who to attack apart from ones going back well before Judge Joker, but no ones attacked me, and if you don’t add yours in some context even an alt and engage in attacks with out facts or the ability to not look like a coward you loose the argument before you even start.
As for what TWH did it seems to be just a case of “teaching” through creative play, and it’s totally your fault for hiring someone that would attract them in the first place, for not investigating who you hire, and being ignorant of in-world politics and social ethics.
So then coming here to complain as if TWH are not helping you “learn” from your mistakes so you can secure yourself better, as if they’re long term greifers and not demonstrating what you’ve over looked, is just shifting the blame from your own pride and your own embarrassment of being linked publicly to the most grotesque little hitlers of second life.
IntLibber Brautigan
Nov 19th, 2011
Mister McBragsalot,
Clearly it is you who thinks too much of your own opinion, yet too cowardly to say who you are when you try your pathetic best to insult someone. No one cares that you live in a world of butthurt.
GG3
Nov 20th, 2011
@James
Obvious troll is obvious.
Not “Agreeing” as you say, when other customers over-step their boundaries and believe because they have ‘accounts’ on SL that they can invade people’s privacy?
No, I do not agree to that whatsoever.
GG3
Nov 20th, 2011
@James
Have you even asked the hundreds of people who have been listed in that wiki be comfortable having their RL information stored in some man’s (and woman’s)superman fantasy?
Makes SL look like a form of trash for low-lives and ill-minded people to run about protecting their so called fantasy world by a play-cop group that doesn’t mind trying to cause problems in people’s RL lives in the process.
The JLU provided nothing but poor excuses for bottom-dwelling behavior. Anything to continue the data-mining/invasion of privacy upon others in Second-Life. Disappointing that this sneaky, questionable behavior has been going on for quiet some time in Linden Labs servers.
Untrained, Unlicensed PD “group” that is aggressively looking to do ===whatever=== they can to:
a) Exclude users from SL by mass AR flooding reports
b) Black-List people for some pretty poor and petty reasons
c) Profiling other users on SL through any means necessary(May I mention the RL info yet again?)
d) Attempting to “seek-out” SL users in other virtual worlds
e) Personal Vendettas
f) **Obsessive** grudge-like behavior towards certain SL members (Tux example)? Honestly putting the fellows name on the ground (and other garbage i mentioned early) is not the very least obsessive?
Highly irresponsible.
Stewie
Nov 20th, 2011
Who gives a crap about the JLU and Prok? What the heck is wrong with you, Bunjie? And now you’re giving people crap for not posting under their real names? So that Tux can come “play” with them? So Robble and the gang can ruin their SL with an army of alts? These guys would like you to believe that anyone who speaks against them is the JLU or Prok.
Gotta love the comment approval policy here, btw.
I Liek Corm
Nov 20th, 2011
I love how this turned into a shitstorm, mostly an anti-woodbury shitstorm.
What’s hilarious is how serious everyone has made this out to be, all over a videogame that is run by a company that doesnt give two shits about its userbase.
The worst part are the people who defend SL and the company behind it.
I’d say the griefers at least get one part right, Don’t take the game seriously. But they still play it, which is just sad.
OH NO SOMEONE HURT MY FEELINGS! CALL IN THE FBI AND CIA! Is so ridiculous.
Why does anyone even “play” this crap anymore? After 2007, and all the companies pulled out, was when everyone involved in this thread should have quit.
Leave while you can.
Bunjie
Nov 20th, 2011
@Intblabber McBraggsalot
“You try way too hard to come off as a wizened veteran when you’re really a delusional idiot who takes the internet way too seriously. Don’t you think it’s finally time to grow up, dipshit?”
Spoken like someone incapable of understanding the age we’ve moved into requires more than an ox & plough or do you?, regardless of IntLibber’s in-world failure’s hes more than man enough to own up to them unlike cowards like you hiding behind pseudonym mockery, he still has way more proven experience at least in surviving onslaughts of idiots like you while trying to run an in-world business, please step forward if you have more experience and let us know as we’d love to hear about you and how wonderful your in-world investment portfolio is doing.
No seriously please do, no need to be afraid of the big bad wolf (hint IBM) he’s no longer associated with WU he ran from the SL ban like every other associate, so no doubt we can still be friends through here while defecating on each others reputations
Though I’m not really into 1 girl 1 cup but seriously no need to throw the cup out the pram just because IntLibber being an entrepreneur tried to sell what you think is a cup of vintage education.
By the way just out of interest are you the guy who does setups of opensims for 3rd parties and has that beef with int over loosing some “investment capital”, wasn’t your investment partner on pookies show? or one of those metaverse talk ones giving it up about how bad int was and how he screwed you over when his virtual stock exchange collapsed? or are you just another internet play toy for the ex-rich and infamous hiding behind that gimp suit of mockery? if it’s the latter zip it!
Also FYI millions of virtual assets are traded online every minute, so some people do have a need to take the “internet” seriously not just as a communications method to tell you to go fuck yourself, by most likely considering our economies now depend on it in a round about way and likely your RL job, due to what ever the company you work for having to depend on being able to Cisco with clients aka connect, communicate and collaborate in order to have the money to pay your sorry ass for those “internet go fuck yourself privileges”.
The Internets is serious business for those with skill, talent or the desire to make a quick buck
and IntLibber might have leaned more towards the latter in public opinion but if you are who I think you are due to I can’t see you being anyone else harboring such a proactive long term grudge and still being involved with a variation of the platform, you should probably go take a cold shower and learn from your failed investment strategies.
If not you should probably take your own advice and go grow up by investing your time in life experiences as well as education and not just being an anonymous trolltard. <3
@IntLibber Brautigan
Though you probably shouldn't play with yourself, I'd give you an interesting reason why but I think you know what I want to say.
James Doe
Nov 20th, 2011
@Bunjie,
You fail yet again number 3 is optional. Why well somepeople do not have a website to promote. Again why do you need to know who I am either in SL or my RL or the internet? What value does that add for you? See unlike you I know how to protect myself from being datamined. Isn’t that what you all are arguing about with the JLU that they datamine people?
I do not have to give you any information other than what i am required to supply to the alphavilleherald.
You all seem so bent out of shape that you can’t figure out who I am. Robble reverts to curse at me. You go on a rant about it.
here is a website to make you feel good.
http://thelistsl.blogspot.com/2011/03/intlibber-brautigan-michael-s-lorrey.html
Seems this blog has done the same thing the JLU does even more so. And this is some of the people you support intresting.
JustMe
Nov 20th, 2011
It looks like the Herald is trying for a ‘personal best’ .. only a few more days and it’ll have been a full month without a new article.
Robble "little hitler" Rubble
Nov 20th, 2011
@JD
Your reading skills fucking suck. I was swearing at you for your repeated attempts to blame me for an attack I wasn’t even present for.
T-Bone
Nov 20th, 2011
…more than a few people here have far too much time on their hands.
and yes, it does appear the Herald staff are on a nice, long winter break somewhere without the internet.
James Doe
Nov 20th, 2011
Robble,
Seems you can’t keep it straight your self.
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“I did move them and I only moved the JLU’s prim, I didn’t indiscriminately attack every booth like you are accusing me of. ”
“Have fun being a fucking busybody but I have more important things to do than answer accusations about an attack I wasn’t even present for.
And in closing, go fuck yourself you cowardly little busybody.”
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Seems to me the go fuck yourself was directed at me being cowardly for not giving you an ID you can locate.
Some privacy advocate you are.
James Doe
Nov 20th, 2011
Do you even read what you post?
I posted this list awhile back of those who were reported for griefing the sim. Let me point out the Sir James is a founding member of the group you also founded The Wrong Hands.
NAME of offender
Aposiopesis Resident,
Atlas Saintlouis,
killua Resident,
Kizoku Chronowire,
samirasamira Resident,
Sir James Korpov XVIII (economic.engineer)
(One of the founders of The Wrong Hands, one of the grid’s preeminent and first whistle-blowing organizations since 2009.),
Twinkie Swizzle,
Tux Winkler,
Utopian Ghost,
Xyz Wyx
Yet you keep bring up that you only moved the JLU stuff that you weren’t there for the other stuff, yet you seem to know alot about why and how it was griefed to not have been there. But hey your the one getting your tighty whites in a bunch.
IntLibber Brautigan
Nov 21st, 2011
Gee James/Kalolz,
Did you copypasta that off the brainiac wiki?
James Doe
Nov 21st, 2011
No IntLibber
If you are part of the IFT group during the time of the griefing you would have gotten that notice.
Obviously you weren’t involved to well were you?
Nice try though trying to say I am Kalel or some other JLU person.