Understanding the “Little Hitlers” of Second Life
by Pixeleen Mistral on 24/10/11 at 1:50 am
I’ve long wondered at the connection between Second Life’s endless supply of over-the-top drama and the strange psychology of certain players -- particularly those seriously invested in “defending” Linden Lab and “policing” the Second Life grid.
What is it about Second Life that attracts and retains obsessive-compulsive meta-gamerz who can’t keep their play inside the game?
Do large land tier payments to the Lab trump civil discourse even when Lab staff are swept up in an ugly cycle of Twitter/Google bombing payback as we saw with the LabRatuOut mess? After a concerted effort to attract the Lab’s attention to the recent excesses of the Justice League Unlimited, some of my friends in The Pink Hands faction are getting a bit cynical.
the Pink Hands faction is becoming cynical about Linden Lab
The golden rule seems to be in effect - those spending the virtual gold, rule. Perhaps Rod Humble is just hoping he can finish his new not-SL mobile-device-enabled game before the house of cards falls.
Meanwhile, consider notoriously toxic trolls such as Jumpman Lane, Kalel Venkman’s Justice League Unlimited vigilantes, or Prokofy Neva -- and the level of effort required to spend years tracking and data-mining other players or mounting an endless series of intensive blog, Twitter, and Google bombing campaigns designed to humiliate and destroy enemies.
Forgiveness and redemption seem to be alien concepts for some trolls upstanding Second Life residents, which implies a deep psychological need is being addressed. What exactly is going on?
A recent article in The Economist describing how “quite ordinary people will succumb to bad behaviour if the circumstances are right” may hold some answers.
According to the article, Nathanael Fast of the University of Southern California and colleagues at Northwestern and Stanford universities ran a series of experiments to see if social circumstances around power and status have the potential to create “little Hitlers” who annoy and frustrate others for their own gratification - or are certain individuals predisposed to this sort of behaviour simply gravitating into situations where they can behave badly?
The experiments randomly placed participants into one of 4 groups: high power/high status, low power/low status, low power/high status, and high power/low status. Participants were given the option of forcing other participants to perform humiliating actions -- or not.
Those in the low status/high power group chose significantly more demeaning tasks to impose onto other participants, while those in the other 3 groups did not exhibit this behaviour.
Does this mean that the more extreme guardians of Second Life feel they are in a position of low status in real life and are compensating by harassing and humiliating those within their reach?
If, as the study suggests, the combination of low status and high power is a recipe for trouble, I am beginning to think the celebrated free social media tools which empower those dedicated to cultivating their Internet notoriety may contain the seeds of their own destruction as the "little Hitlers" of the social media use their online power to trash everyone else.
Do you still want to play Web 2.0 after watching Jumpman Lane’s Twitter assault on Stroker Serpentine, LabRatuOut’s assault on Esbee Linden, or after following Prokofy Neva’s carefully crafted Google bombing attacks on all and sundry? How do you feel after learning that Kalel Venkman is still expanding and unsuccessfully attempting to secure his Brainiac wiki data mine?
Is this the sort of game you want to play?
hobo kelly
Nov 21st, 2011
You don’t realize that nobody gives a crap about the dumb and for-profit at the expense of Gene Roddenberry, IFT group which has nothing to do with the whole Trek world and everything to do with a cheap rip off by a bunch of punks. So you can take the worthless IFT group and shove it up your worthless IFT ass along with any other fake trek assholes that ally with the JLU. If you ever try to rip off the good name of the federation again with another lame attempt at commercialization with another sci fi “con” job I will personally show up and hack you to death with my Batlev and then send your pieces back to Planet Retard from whence you came.
james Doe
Nov 21st, 2011
Congrats Hobo
You have completely proven the point that your kind here have no care about any other group of residents in Second Life you have no desire in leaving other groups alone.
Like Intlibber, Tux, TWH, TPH and even the JLU you all have no respect for other groups of residents and what they enjoy as long as you get your laughs out of causing grief on residents.
Commercialization of a sci-fi con isn’t that the purpose of a show and the comic book, fantasy, and sci-fi cons in real life?
I must have missed something seeing the huge displays for shows and games at any convention.
hobo kelly
Nov 21st, 2011
NO STARFLEET officer or crewman would snivel like that IFT jerkoff is sniveling over somebody moving his prims, waaaa waaaa somebody moved my prims waaaa. probably some foreign 14 year old baby or something.
ON ANOTHER semi-related note, I am picking up bits and pieces of news that somebody hacked into Kalel Venkman’s SL account and tore through his inventory deleting stuff and then proceeded to rip up and destroy Justice Island or whatever they call their central child stalking location nowadays, anyway supposedly the JLU are baaaawing and begging LL to do some kind of rollback so they can get thier fake junk back. I am scanning for gory details and will report back if I find them.
RIP Tux
Nov 21st, 2011
@jD (Yes, I did note the failure to capitalise your first name like P/paul does)
‘Like Intlibber, Tux, TWH, TPH and even the JLU you all have no respect for other groups of residents and what they enjoy as long as you get your laughs out of causing grief on residents.’
On the contrary old friend, I totally respect all the other groups and residents. You see without the [insert descriptor here eg. dramawhores/moronic/obsessive/etc] ones I would not have nearly as much fun.
‘Commercialization of a sci-fi con isn’t that the purpose of a show and the comic book, fantasy, and sci-fi cons in real life?’
I agree, I have no problem with commercialisation. But I also think there should be just for fun versions. Over commercialisation is a bit of a issue for me. It stops being fun and turns into a shopping trip (something my wife is far more happier doing).
Senban Babii
Nov 21st, 2011
And we break the 700 post barrier in fine style!
Herald history in the making, right here in this thread
james Doe
Nov 21st, 2011
@Tux,
@jD (Yes, I did note the failure to capitalise your first name like P/paul does)
See their is a feature on a web browser call clear browsing data.
I tend to clean that out several times a day, So I have to re-key my information again. So I missed the capitalizing my name.
What i find amusing is that Hobo is giving the same argument as Robble maybe they are the same person. Well in Robble’s theory. (yes i am being sarcastic)
Obviously you haven’t been to comic book/gaming/scifi cons because even though they are full of commercialization they are still fun.
I have go regularly to Gen-con and dragon con.
Gasp more RL info for you privacy experts
RIP Tux
Nov 21st, 2011
@JD
It is not obvious at all. In fact I was a regular at the RD/ST convention. I was a massive fan of the fried egg, chilli and chutney sandwich eating competition. And the tribble hunt.
But recently I haven’t been. In all honesty I don’t like crowds, you know all that pushing and shoving from the people grabbing free bags and pens. <—-<<< See free stuff!
As for RL info, ask me in a few days I'll have forgotten what you said. I don't care (and that is the response you wanted in order to trigger the whole don't care diatribe).
GG3
Nov 21st, 2011
As thanksgiving approaches, I do believe it is a time of pause and to really think about what we have in our individual lives.
A time of celebration. To gather with friends, family, and those that are important in our real lives. For there would be no #Second-Life#, If we did not have the most important, irreplaceable life. Our first and only life.
A time of gratitude. To have food to eat, a place of residence, clothes, electricity, water, heat, the basic necessities in life that more and more people are going without everyday.
A time of appreciation. Perhaps there is someone(s) in your life that has help you to get where you are today? Share the goodies and invite them over!
With that in mind, I wish to leave you with a Happy Thanksgiving and a wonderful weekend!
-GG3
IntLibber
Nov 22nd, 2011
Kalel needs to give thanks that I refrained from taking a dump in his punkin on Haloween…
Bunjie
Nov 22nd, 2011
Testing, Is this comment system fixed yet? it’s kinda off putting when it’s throwing up 403′s for what I can only guess is longer comments.
Bunjie
Nov 22nd, 2011
This is what I get when I try to post a much longer comment with urls:
Error 403: Forbidden
Your PHP settings have been disabled by an H-Sphere administrator.
Your current PHP configuration:
This configuration was changed: Tue Nov 22 08:02:22 UTC 2011
Please bring your PHP configuration in compliance with admin settings or request your administrator to re-enable support of your settings.
You can delete this comment but please let us know it’s fixed it’s really off putting.
Thx Pix
James Doe
Nov 22nd, 2011
@Bunjie,
Its not long posts.
I have gotten the same error many times as well.
I have seen its related to certain words used, Web sites, and sometimes the copy and paste of previous posts.
I think they have certain filters set on the site.
Dontspill McGinnis
Nov 22nd, 2011
@ Reader
I don’t know Prok, nor have I ever encountered the person other than by reputation. I think I have referred to him / her once in the entire debate, either here or on SLU. I certainly don’t have a hard on for him / her or for the JLU.
I dislike the JLU for their actions, for their misplaced arrogance, for their stalking, for their obsessive and slanderous behaviour. I dislike tinpot generals in general.
If you really need to defend the JLU, then do it with substance.
All you do is throw your ineffectual rage and insults at people. You attempt to troll people in order to bring their rage level up to match yours, and apart from the fact that you aren’t very good at trolling, your rage level is way above where anyone else could get to anyway.
Come tell us Reader, why so angry?
James Doe
Nov 22nd, 2011
I have to say I find this amusing.
All the new leaks come out after the Kalel’s AV was compromised.
I begin to doubt that they actually have a mole. That it’s the Fred hacking into Kalel’s AV from time to time to get the information. If it was a mole you would see this stuff almost up to the moment not months or many weeks apart.
I mean the talk in SLU has all been dead then it becomes a hot topic.
Robble you’re funny as hell that Cris at SLU doesn’t like websites with personal information shown that made me laugh look at “thelist” that was posted many times with personal information on people. Look at all the crap Joshua posted. You really need to go out of your way to find something to talk about don’t you.
Oh then you say that TUX redirecting his website and domains to the Krypton radio is a long story. That you know the real reason but you want to keep it all secret.
My god people you’re a bunch of kids when you come down to it.
Tux redirecting stuff to krypton radio how immature is that and childish. But it seems the mentality of you people who just can’t leave things alone your like a bunch of gossipy teenage girls. Oh my god did your read that? See what they said GASP.
Have you thought about leaving the JLU group alone?
I don’t see them trying anything new against you all. But many of you keep bring up the same BS over and over again and again.
RIP Tux
Nov 22nd, 2011
@ JD
I seriously doubt Kalel’s account has or ever was hacked. I assume he has the extra protection implemented on his account that few resi’s know about.
As for Fred hacking, firstly he is so strong willed I doubt anyone could get him back in SL even by handing him Kalel’s account. In addition to this, I would really love to see anyone ‘hack’ an account for SL (without access to their PC at least).
As for mole’s, well that is exactly how they work. If they release information as it happens it begins to form patterns and risks exposing them. By releasing it sometimes weeks after they protect themselves.
‘thelist’ information was redacted in favour of ‘thelistjlu’ which contained no RL information and was safe to post to the forum (or something like that).
There is no big secret, and the short version is this simple: I had no further use for the domains so I created a domain pool. These all served a single page. Firstly it was a headstone, but I felt it was a little morbid. So I redirected to kryptonradio. I explained this to Kalel and have said I will remove it if he so wishes. To date he hasn’t. It isn’t immature or childish, it serves two purposes. 1. it increases hits on KR. And 2. it is better than an hosting page. It seems you are the only one upset by it. If by having a laugh and not taking things too seriously make me a child then I would agree.
The only way to not interact is by a clean break. This is because the lines of the characters have intertwined so much that they are forever destined to gravitate towards each other. This has a mass effect and pulls others in who would perhaps have passed through. You really need to pay a little more attention to the game. In order to win you must first understand the concepts, not all are defined in black and white!
Robble "Little Hitler" Rubble
Nov 22nd, 2011
@JD
If you want to post on my SLU posts why don’t you do it on SLU?
@Tux
I too doubt he was hacked, if he was hacked then why was the group not gutted and the land abandoned? Surely if someone has the determination to hack a SL account they can think of something a bit more damaging than turning on public access.
IntLibber
Nov 23rd, 2011
Robble,
Justice Island is a private sim owned by Kalolz, so abandoning it just puts it in kalolz ownership, you cant abandon an estate without notifying LL with a ticket, and, unless you turn autoreturn on, or go into the land info and return things, its really meaningless. I agree tho that this sounds like an act of desperation by Kalolz to “prove” he’s a victim and TWH are really as bad as he claims.
Robble "little hitler" Rubble
Nov 23rd, 2011
@blubber
I was referring to their parcels in taber and their adventurer club. Also, the estate owner of justice island is Kara not Kalel. Returning all objects on the land would require a rollback since the build looks like it hasn’t had any major renovations since around 2006, and the Lindens don’t always give those.
Seriously, if someone is going to go through the trouble of hacking an account they aren’t going to just open the sum up and walk away.
James Doe
Nov 23rd, 2011
@Robble, and InLibber
So just because someone just didn’t totally ruin the sim and his Avatar makes it not compromised?
Seriously the lot of you have a slow burn of revenge against them, and why totally destroy his avatar. It would make it easier for some one to notice that the AV was actually compromised.
If the leaks weren’t from a hacker and a mole as you all believe. I will laugh so hard when you all find out that the person leaking the information is actually Kalel.
That you all have been getting played from the first leak.
@Tux
I don’t play the “Game” so i don’t have to keep track.
James Doe
Nov 23rd, 2011
@Robble,
I have no desire to post in the Joshua Nightshade and Cris’s Alt SLU forum. You all are so blind about how those two use so many alts to suit their needs.
So thank you for the offer but i have no desire to post on SLU.
Joshua thinks he is a cleaver boy but he isn’t at all. He can’t change his writting style that much nor his attitude.
Again Cris and Joshua are little hitlers as well.
Dontspill McGinnis
Nov 23rd, 2011
@James Doe,
We can all play the “what If” game, but it doesn’t add anything to the argument. If you have something to say, just go right on and say it.
You ramble so much and in so many directions, it is really hard to see what your point is or where you are going with it.
I rather suspect that is just it, You have no point.
You say leave the JLU alone. Why? so they can go on trying to interfere in other peoples real live’s just to score points in a video game?
I’m sure you don’t mean that, after all, what’s to stop them turning their guns on you next? I rather suspect you would be squealing louder than a stuck pig if that were thecase.
And before you say anything stupid like “I have nothing to fear from the JLU” just remember that my Girlfriend is listed as a griefer by them, simply for knowing me, a non griefing Second Life Dwarf.
They turn their guns on whomsoever Kalel Venkman decides is a threat to his imagined kingdom. Who knows who could be next?
James Doe
Nov 23rd, 2011
Dontspill
See you’re only on one side of the fence in a childish war.
You accuse the JLU of the only people doing this stuff.
Look at people like “the list”, the “troll manual”, the “Dramtica wiki”
Look at Woodbury and the Wrong Hands. Also take a look at people like Joshua Nightsade. All these people and groups have been doing the same thing as the JLU does.
Just because you are not affected by them yourself you aren’t talking out against them.
You ask me to care about what the JLU does. Why do you not care what these other people do?
See I think and it has always been my view here that the JLU is no better than the rest of these kids playing “the game”.
Then we have these groups who are doing the same thing and justifying it that well they did it first.
Again the JLU lists you as a griefer what does that really matter to you or your gf?
I am sure the people that know you and your girl friend don’t care what the JLU thinks about you. It’s like all these people crying over what Prok says. If you think Prok is full of it or the JLU what does it matter. You can live your second life with out any encounter with the JLU to affect your sl life.
I suggest you go read the Joshua Nightshade thread on slu and the other forums where he “just happens to get” certain information on people. How he says he makes phone calls to peoples real life homes and talks to a persons parents how is this any different than JLU or Woodbury showing up at a person’s door?
You get rid of the JLU then lets completely get rid of the Wrong Hands, the old Woodbury Griefers, Joshua Nightshade and any other people who do exactly the same thing.
See this is where I laugh at the people wanting to know who I am. I am allowed my privacy on the web because I make sure I keep it private. I post as different names in different places so I can keep track of who may be getting information on me and then I know who has leaked it.
So some one calls me a Troll, or a Griefer or a Coward. The people that know me know who I am and that’s all I care about.
If I am placed on a Ban-link list well then I don’t need to go to that sim. There are many more places to visit and get my business.
In the end all these people Wrong Hands, Woodbury, JLU, Joshua Nightshade etc… they all need each other. Even Prok needs the people raging out against him. It gives these people something to do. The drama queens all of them.
Dontspill McGinnis
Nov 23rd, 2011
@ James Doe
In line with all JLU apologists, you lack perspective. I’m surprised you haven’t included the Egyptian and Sudanese Governments in your list of transgressors.
Okay, lets look at this. I’ll discount Troll manual and ED because they aren’t really relevant to this topic.
The Trick or Treat prank? Yes probably childish.
TheList? Yes again, probably childish. But as no one knows who TheList is or what their motives really are that’s hard to quantify.
The Wrong Hands have actually done a lot of good for second life, (conveniently forgotten by people like yourself) in uncovering malpractice such as the data mining that was being carried out by the Emerald Viewer. If left alone, many of their members are extremely creative, (you would have noticed this had you bothered to visit their Red Square and Revolution Sims. Robble’s avatars are among the most brilliantly creative that i have seen anywhere in SL.
But instead of welcoming and encouraging this talent, they are demonized by people such as yourself and the JLU.
Jealousy is such a terrible thing. Any “griefing” attributed to TWH is at best mild trolling and easily mutable or removable by those who have bothered to learn how to use the in game tools.
Childish? Yes undoubtedly, but fun.
Now on to the JLU:
Threatening to shoot dead said trick or treater. Childish? No,. just . criminal.
Calling a recently deceased former SL player’s relatives to make sure he really is dead…. Childish? Ummm No…creepy, Insensitive paranoiac? Definitely!
Calling a real life educational facility under false presences, trying to get real life sanctions against individuals because they didn’t like what they were doing in a video game? Childish? Ummmm No. Just plain certifiable, and possibly criminal.
Documenting the number and ages of real life children in a virtual enemies home and using the local census records in an attempt to locate said home? Childish? no just disgustingly creepy.
Storing huge amounts of information and conjecture (RL and SL) on other SL players in a huge wikki and not properly protecting it? Childish? No, delusional and possibly criminal.
I think you see where this is going.
Tell me again how both sides are childish?
I wasn’t aware that I could be on more than one side of a fence, Its plainly obvious by how you trivialize the actions of the JLU that you yourself are not.
As to your advice not to worry about being slandered by the JLU, I have already answered that in a previous comment. You are obviously either being obtuse, are deliberately ignoring it, or are completely stupid. The fact is, that I do care. and your being glib about it is further evidence that you are not one bit impartial, as you claim to be.
I don’t much care who you are, but have the balls to state your position and stand behind it. All your rambling hyperbole is tedious and doesn’t make you look anywhere near as intelligent as you seem to think.
Reader
Nov 23rd, 2011
Quit spilling the repetitive deficit disorder nonsense Spill.
It got you and your idiot brigade nowhere.
JD has it right, the whole lot of you ineffectual types on both sides of the debate are drama queens.
@JD
Didn’t take long for Spill to spill the proverbial repetitive deficit disorder beans now did it? You made a very concise and informative comment there JD. It acts as almost a perfect “storm” summary. The circle-back behavior of the idiot brigade is (was) predictable and boring. Once the lack of originality really starts to set in the whole shooting match turns to shit. Recognize that.
GLE and other pro-JLU supporters have long left the discussion.
In complimentary fashion, so have MOST of the lynch-mob voices -
all except the frazzled few you see here and on SLU. When will the last of these rremaining smelly dingleberries drop off? That is the question of the day..
It always gets back to the concept of THIS & THAT. THIS is all they have. There is no THAT. So circle back they must..
James Doe
Nov 23rd, 2011
Dontspill
You can not discount the others since they all do the same things.
The List has done what the JLU does by breaking that magic circle of rl and sl.So you ignoring that fact and saying it doesn’t matter shows that you only have a vendetta against one group.
Also saying the other areas are to be ignored which do the same shows your favoritism to a certain group.
We can go on and state the good the JLU have done in other areas just like the Wrong Hands. We can also say other people are creative as well. Look at Krypton Radio beyond the hate what they have is an informative website for comic book fans and creative radio shows they get. So just because you want to kiss Robble’s ass saying his av is creative. Other people who don’t grief are just as creative and even more so.
So now you spill out the information that is over and over again
The Halloween Prank was wrong, Kalel saying he had a right to shoot that person. I would have said the same thing to people. Why because this punk kid decided to bring his griefing to my door to prove a point that he could get to me.
So a person knocks on your girlfriend’s door and says something only an SL person may know and that person was griefing your girlfriend, you wouldn’t take that as a threat to your real life? And you would just shrug it off?
Bullshit!
I have not seen where they have actually called these persons relatives.
I heard about the facebook one but then that was tacky.
But then what Tux once member of the Wrong Hands making videos making fun of people is tacky and no different.
Thelist has posted on their site many peoples RL info and explain how easy they are to harass. This is no different.
The JLU keep the chat logs of their meetings, big deal many people keep chat logs on their computer. Many people in slu forums share chat logs, so how is it different.
JLU is collecting information that is already out on the web they are collecting it in their own area. The make conjectures wrong or right but we all do so they put it in writing on a wiki they felt was private. Just like many other places in the world data gets leaked out that you thought was private. The do not have any Information that isn’t easily found out via web searches.
Nothing illegal about that.
Let us go back to the Woodbury on the contacting places. The professor was accusing people of running the good name of Woodbury when himself and his students were the ones griefing other sims and people. They represented Woodbury with the Woodbury group tag. When your school or business sanctions what you are doing and you do something to break the rules of second life your school or business should be informed about this
Bullshit call on the mild Trolling by the wrong hands, The wrong hands griefed the scifi one of the founders of the group was reported for it and if you look at all those names from the list I gave you many were created around the same time of the con to specifically grief the con.
I have not flip flopped as you think I have.
JLU in my opinion is just as bad as The Wrong Hands. But both groups can’t leave each other alone.
Robble "little hitler" Rubble
Nov 23rd, 2011
Everyone is a Hitler apparently.
Robble "Little Hitler" Rubble
Nov 23rd, 2011
@JD
“It would make it easier for some one to notice that the AV was actually compromised.”
And messing with the land controls didn’t?
John Doe
Nov 23rd, 2011
@Dontspill
Quit being a Hitler, everyone knows that TWH have never improved anything or helped anyone out. ever. I want nothing at all to do with them and that’s why I’m going to sit here in this comments section for a month calling them all nazis. I miss emerald, it was a good client. I liked how whenever I logged into it Jcool would hide iframes in it to launch weaksauce denial of service attacks on websites he didn’t like.
@Robble
You’re a nazi Hitler. Save your theoretical wankery over sweet innocent Kalel for someone who cares, like the SLU board. Don’t worry, I’ll still look up your posts on it and respond to them here because everyone over there is a goosestepping nazi and I am far too delicate of a person to post by my actual screen name.
Bunjie
Nov 23rd, 2011
@James Doe
“So some one calls me a Troll, or a Griefer or a Coward. The people that know me know who I am and that’s all I care about.”
Hay now! I called you a coward, don’t forget that because that’s all I really care about too! but let me add Troll and Griefer into the mix as well, no really /end sarcasm
Sticks and stones wont break your bones, but let me shove one up your ass and see how you like it.
After this ends the people that know you will inevitably end up being Kalel who’s documented your dark fetish secrets or the jailers and the guy who’s noticed you dropped the soap, prison rules bitch learn em.
Also FYI from what you just said it sounds like you regularly engage in trolling Joshua Nightshade and other residents with faux identities to hide that fact you’re either too weak minded to resolve it yourself 1 on 1, and or are low power / low status, perhaps you’re even Prokofy’s mystery greifer and I’m sure that qualifies you to not pass go and don’t collect 200L$.
I look forward to seeing you outed on some ridiculous clown channel like FOX and locked up when you inevitably end up the suspect in some cyber stalking / harassment investigation (hope you used proxy’s), as clearly you still bawww over what ever Joshua Nightshade did to ya! and also want revenge.
Either that or you really seem to be the truth of what a sniveling little online coward is these days, who can’t take the pain of what someone said to them so runs away to another identity, like evading culpability much? thought so or we go right back into saying TWH and WU is not your personal army.
Using alternate identities to get residents who you think are greifers in a rage over Joshua Nightshade or to battle your enemy’s is just weak, clearly you can’t do anything but bawwww under alternate account names as only a coward would, while hoping to get others to fight that war for you while denying it’s what you’re aiming for and not having to deal with any of the fall out.
Am I wrong? don’t bother answering as you’d never admit the truth either way.
FYI you’re not 007 or a real spy so using multiple identities online is not privacy it’s dumb, and creates a complex web to keep track of and in which case means you have to document these things so you’re either a JLU or a JLU wannabee, and as it’s only application these days is possibly for trolling, or not wanting to be caught for what ever law you broke like the JLU broke so, so, so many RL laws it’s just a shame that real law enforcement see you and them as a JOKE and not for what you really are, but given time everything comes to a conclusion and I’m betting on jail.. baby.. yea!
So did Joshua call your home and find out you’re still living in your mothers basement? Either grow a pair of balls or if you’re a girl don’t get your panties in a twist because we don’t want to fight your war or take part in your psyop to cause one against Joshua.
And if you can’t comprehend anyone elses points of view, shut the fuck up or just piss off as you’re an incredibly boring uncreative coward with a fetish for engaging in spy ops.
(James Doe, John Doe) Sure as hell shows you’ve not put much effort into what you do, and that’s just like a few others I know.
I rest my case.
GG3
Nov 23rd, 2011
@JD
Kalols got himself and his sim whacked?
Well when a person or group starts stalking folks online like he and his group has done in such bigotry and up-right cockiness there’s bound to be lash-backs.
Sad part is that this slump put himself on such a high pedestal in SL to think himself of being some fluzy “authoritative” figure when it was all about gaining control.
No, i do not feel “sorry” for a man who violates the rights of others by butt-kissing companies and behaving like a jerk.
Me
Nov 23rd, 2011
I have read some of these Alphaville posts and they look pretty sick in a mentally messed up way. This is the creepiest thread ever. People run accusation after accusation. There seems to be a lot of blaming other people:
http://www.newbeginningsnh.org/stalking_character.html
Basically, it looks like people don’t want to take responsibility for their own actions. None of these people who post here really seem to have any case. It just looks like a lot of flaming and insults from abusive people with warped minds, scaring innocent readers with creepy, out of line threats.
AM Oderngrl
Nov 24th, 2011
@Me good point! Even creepier is this:
http://www.newbeginningsnh.org/freq_stalking.html
@senban your 1000 is a microcosm.
Senban Babii
Nov 24th, 2011
@AM Oderngrl
http://www.newbeginningsnh.org/freq_stalking.html
I have to admit, that entire page made me sick. I really don’t think stalkers realise just how much genuine distress they cause.
“@senban your 1000 is a microcosm.”
I always saw it more as a macrocosm, the drawing out of a thousand daydreams of a single intelligence, “The Grid”.
But then I never was much of an artist
Less than three.
Senban Babii
Nov 24th, 2011
Meanwhile, in other news, popular web personality Ms Senban Babii was revealed to not be the artist Gracie Kendal. Ms Babii who shot to fame for basically being a pain the arse and a bit mouthy at times, grinned when presented with the allegations and remarked “First I’m an alt of Pixeleen, now I’m an alt of Gracie? Alts are so 2005 darlings!”
The former Post 6 Grrrl, hotly tipped for the Christmas number one single with her debut “Your Neck Was Made For Punching” then ran off swishing her tail and grinning. When contacted for comment, her agent broke down sobbing and said “Oh god, what did she do this time?”
JustMe
Nov 24th, 2011
Well, it’s “official” ..an entire month without a new article.
Dontspill McGinnis
Nov 24th, 2011
@ James Doe
You are scrabbling like a drowning man in an ice pool. It seems I hit a sore point.
Firstly, stop trying to put words in my mouth. What I have said is there in black and white. If you can’t read it, then ask someone to read it to you.
It would be easier for everyone if you comment only on what I write, rather than what you had hoped I would write.
You are correct in that I don’t have issues with other groups, because they haven’t made issues with me. The JLU has however. so I do take issue with them. That is simple enough to understand isn’t it? Even for you?
I can discount the other issues, and have, because they are not relevant. The actions of those people are probably reprehensible, I wouldn’t know. Certainly they can’t be used to excuse the JLU their excesses.
“Thelist has posted on their site many peoples RL info and explain how easy they are to harass. This is no different.”
Ahh, yes it is different. TheList doesn’t claim, as far as I know, to be a fully ToS compliant entity looking out for the welfare of other residents. The JLU Fraudulently does.
The JLU do nothing that does not in some way further their own aims, full stop. Even their charity efforts are arranged simply to push their “Brand”. Your claim that they have done anything to help the community rings profoundly hollow. Examples would be fun!
Their website is nothing more that a poorly written propaganda tabloid. None of their staff writers are worthy of the name.
I’m, sorry, but a grown man being intimidated by a “kid” knocking on his door? get real.
I’m intrigued to know how you have become expert in what I would do in a given situation. Do you somehow have access to the information about me in the JLU wikki?
The rest of your comments are weak and wheedling. Pathetic basically.
hobo kelly
Nov 24th, 2011
I’m starting to wonder if there is some kind of JLU – Scientology connection. Scientology agressively dox everyone, especially members and past members, and labels them “personages” or “trouble makers”. Scientology got its super secret Wiki stolen and posted on the internet which upset them greatly. Scientology believes in a Galactic Federation of Space Aliens that wear special clothes and have special powers. They have a sub organization called the Sea Org which is their military operation that deals with “trouble makers” and the re-education of members that may strike up friendships with “trouble makers”. They file unfounded DMCA all over the place. They have “an Adventure Club”. One of Scientology’s arch enemies is Anon (PN) who Scientology is always trying to unmask and gather infos on. There are probably more things too but this is getting creeeeeeepy…
Bunjie
Nov 24th, 2011
@Me
“I have read some of these Alphaville posts and they look pretty sick in a mentally messed up way”
Don’t shit your pants Einstein as someone else will need that seat after you’ve finished pissing on this article and it’s respondents, perhaps you should stick to the Sunday newspaper reader “opinion” columns and cutting out those coupons for that 25% off boots hemorrhoid cream, stick to not sticking your nose in what you think doesn’t concern you unless you’re willing to look deeper than the nose you’ve cut off in front of that attitude.
If the truth is fear mongering and “scary” then we’ve reached an impasse on your mental capability to engage on an issue of significance to a wider audience, but why should we shut up for you? who are you? another coward that won’t engage but for a few Judging comments that makes you feel proud you’re a “reader” status with a position to Judge that others should not have an opinion? or their opinion is far too crazy? oops maybe I’m being a bit of a hypocrite there but truth hurts so suck it up.
Lack of deep thought or real effort to understand why some of these reply’s “look pretty sick in a mentally messed up way”, other than taking “a reply” at face value is a pathetic way to counter post, not least underestimating the abilities of respondents here, the stereotyping seems to just come out with the flow but I have no doubt anyone you piss off inSL could do you real mental harm through an e-world so don’t underestimate respondents here while shirt lifting them into a dunces jacket.
I don’t believe you’ve really read or been active in understanding the whole issue, if you had you might just write with just a little more passion and just might be a little more understanding to the long term effects the JLU have on those who fight your hidden war with words and counter culture attitudes, this doesn’t necessarily mean were crazy or griefing others, it means if you verbally shit on me by trying to wipe the issue aside and brand it “crazy”,”scary” and messed up to be standing up to oppression, I’ll defecate in your hat and so forth.
Perhaps you’re the type to over react and need the JLU as a placebo in place of a brain and taking responsibility for your own actions, like not reading deeper than a “couple of scare munging articles and reply’s” and not back following this issue to it’s epicenter and then posting crap as if this one article is the be all and end all of a crazy junkies nightmare.
It’s a bigger messed up world out there, go forth and multiply some brain cells Einstein unless of course you’re another “independent identity” seeking to enhance your comedic values then go forth and ram your opinion back up your ass.
How that for an “out of line threat”, enough to keep you going this week? or would you prefer to generate another identity to play housewife with my mouth?
GG3
Nov 25th, 2011
@Me
It may seem like there’s blaming going on, but as you’ve stated Me there’s those on SL who do not want to take responsibility for their actions and may use cartoon characters to continue what they want to do. Unfortunately the Wiki is true and real, as unethnical as it is.
“scaring innocent readers with creepy, out of line threats.”
I am not sure what you mean by this, but the issue about the JLU stalking behavior is something that is not new on a much wider-scale. Any real-life news-station such as Dateline News or CNN(whom investigated Second-Life years ago on a different issue) have covered these types of issues in society.
I’ve looked at the link you posted, there’s some behaviors in there that JLU(or their leaders) have done:
1)False reports to authorities, spreading rumors, giving misinformation or secrets to friends/family.
*Reporting legal logos to PD, etc*
2)Information gathering from friends, post office, internet, employer, school, etc.
*Gathering information on SL users including RL info and attempting to locate/guess RL location of certain SL users*
3)Observing/following and “coincidentally” showing up wherever the victim goes.
*Possible issue that happened at SL Convention 2011 with a JLU member and a SL member of “interest”*
4) Does not take responsibility for own feelings or actions
*They don’t*
5)Needs to have control over others
*Patrol SL to keep people they don’t want out. Also the use of the “Phantom Zone” device given to Land-Owners to establish their range of patrol areas easier*
6)Deceptive
“We’re the good guys!”
7)Unable to take “no” for an answer
*People who have asked to be removed from the Wiki and have not*
If you have any questions I suggest googling “JLU Privacy Issue” to see for yourself.
This is an active issue going on right now and it is very unfortunately there are those out there such as the JLU who have taken Second-Life obsessively.
James Doe
Nov 25th, 2011
GG3
Your ammusing
Lets look at people like the wrong hands and woodbury, and other people
1)False reports to authorities, spreading spreading rumors,
Lets see you all do this-Spreading Rumors, look at Thelistsl, Tuxs old blog and the general Wrong Hands M.O.
2)Information gathering from friends, post office, internet, employer, school, etc.
The List does this, The people in the SLU forums as well. And Tux just happening to get Voice chats from others?
3)Observing/following and “coincidentally” showing up wherever the victim goes.
LOL congrat, welcome to Woodbury Griefers and the Wrong hands showing up at the IFT con. Or going to JLU sim.
4) Does not take responsibility for own feelings or actions
LOL another, they griefers use ALTS
5)Needs to have control over others
Called Griefing
6)Deceptive
Claim they don’t do the griefing, but their alts do.
7)Unable to take “no” for an answer
Wrong Hands members and Woodbury ban people keep coming back into second life after having their orginal AV banned.
See the groups have the same issues as JLU
RIP Tux
Nov 25th, 2011
Oh JD, there you go again.
I don’t know TheListSL, s/he is not TWH. So their inclusion is moot. My blog didn’t spread rumours, it fed them. Nor does the TWH, to my knowledge.
Again with TheListSL, see above. Receiving a recorded phone call to Linden Lab support is not information gathering XD. Is this the best you can do old friend?
As previously stated, a handful of TWH members went to the convention for Dr.Who and the Tardis hunt. I won that too btw. And I have never been to Justice Island. I would like to though, out of curiosity.
Griefers (depending on definition here) use alts because they are persistently banned.
Griefing is not about control of others XD.
Claim this and you know what? How can you possibly know who is who?
Is that your problem? Or are you just complaining? Because if they are truly not allowed back then surely this is for Linden Lab alone to resolve. By all means send your complaints to support@secondlife.com, I am sure they would love to hear your views.
So you see, the groups do not have the same issues. Now, I have given you enough to think over. Though I seriously doubt you will. Knowing you, you will simply sidestep and attempt to deflect the truth.
I will tell you this: Whilst I keep SL and RL quite seperate, I found some really good people in the TWH (there are a couple of fools to be sure, but every group has their clowns). Of these I hid nothing, they know far more information about me than any other group ever has. And do you know how many of them have tried to do anything with that information since I left? None.
I cannot say the same for groups with less information.
Robble "little hitler" Rubble
Nov 25th, 2011
It seems like James Doe isn’t really good at taking no for an answer.
GG3
Nov 26th, 2011
@James Doe
Amusing you say but the evidence presented says else-wise.
SLU forums? Is it because they don’t submit to the heavy censorship and control the JLU are use to having? Last time I checked the use of RL information was not allowed.
Judging from your case though James it seems like loyalty is more important to than common sense. The JLU does not “cure” Second-Life of griefers if you have not noticed by now.
You are using the griefer circus card to avoid the issue at hand.
The fact is that the JLU have violated the privacy of every-single user listed within those wikis, especially the use of people’s RL information without their permission.
There’s a difference between an open, public setting and the obsessive behavior of “tagging” the JLU have done. What business is it of the JLU to figure out as much information about SL users as possible?
Obviously not for good, and it has been already proven that this can lead to power-house abuse.
Dontspill McGinnis
Nov 27th, 2011
I have a mental image of “James Doe” with his hands over his ears shouting, “LAH, LA, LA, LA, I’M NOT LISTENING TO YOU, LA, LA, LA, LAH!
That said, that’s what he has been doing throughout.
Bunjie
Nov 27th, 2011
@Dontspill McGinnis
“I have a mental image of “James Doe” with his hands over his ears shouting, “LAH, LA, LA, LA, I’M NOT LISTENING TO YOU, LA, LA, LA, LAH!
That said, that’s what he has been doing throughout.”
Like this? http://bit.ly/sOPAMT
hobo kelly
Nov 27th, 2011
Aye Captain, I have picked up the JD monster on long range sensors. Its on the central view screen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMoWt0wnlUw
I Liek Corm
Dec 3rd, 2011
@GG3, I liken it to the new laws that are likely going to get passed:
SOPA and PIPA, and past laws like the Patriot Act.
All these laws claim to protect us or someone else from something evil and bad, but as history is proven, are QUICKLY abused and rarely used for what they were written for.
Patriot Act so far has not been used against any actual terrorist, but has been invoked on many americans instead.
The JLU has done a bit better, they have stalked a few griefers, but not the ones who actually do the stuff that the JLU claim to be stopping. They mostly catalogue those who speak out against them, do something that they just don’t like, and do things that biased members don’t like.
(I remember some furry JLU member constantly harping on about me in one of their AR party meetings, could not stop mentioning me and AR partying me because he was stupid enough to click on something I put up in a sim I administered to keep people who were nosy and stupid out of the way, and it was mostly geared at furries, who kept coming into the sim and ARing everyone in sight to “GRIEF DA GRIEFERS!” as some sort of payback. Luckily they ignored him. but still..)
It’s funny how much they have yet to do when it comes to fighting real griefers, LL has done more than they have. They just want to control others using a strawman.
Kalel should reconsider the name “Don Quixote” some time.
fortesque smythe
Dec 16th, 2011
@ I Liek Corm
oh jeez wheres the sopa bandwaggon when u need it?
for a start all sopa does is to stop companies advertising on warez sites etc
and for another you should take your hed out of 4chans ass and think for yourself for a change
Bunjie
Dec 24th, 2011
Dear Kalel, Prokofy, Jumpman, GLE etc.
‘Who do you think you are kidding Mr Hitler’?
http://youtu.be/6zeJ8TA3fXw
And a Merry Christmas!
AM Oderngrl
Dec 28th, 2011
@Senban,
Hope you had the merriest of merries. Here’s wishing you a healthy and prosperous 2012. And finish school, for goodness sake. No enrolling for three more degrees this year!
Catch you round the asteroid belt.