Understanding the “Little Hitlers” of Second Life
by Pixeleen Mistral on 24/10/11 at 1:50 am
I’ve long wondered at the connection between Second Life’s endless supply of over-the-top drama and the strange psychology of certain players -- particularly those seriously invested in “defending” Linden Lab and “policing” the Second Life grid.
What is it about Second Life that attracts and retains obsessive-compulsive meta-gamerz who can’t keep their play inside the game?
Do large land tier payments to the Lab trump civil discourse even when Lab staff are swept up in an ugly cycle of Twitter/Google bombing payback as we saw with the LabRatuOut mess? After a concerted effort to attract the Lab’s attention to the recent excesses of the Justice League Unlimited, some of my friends in The Pink Hands faction are getting a bit cynical.
the Pink Hands faction is becoming cynical about Linden Lab
The golden rule seems to be in effect - those spending the virtual gold, rule. Perhaps Rod Humble is just hoping he can finish his new not-SL mobile-device-enabled game before the house of cards falls.
Meanwhile, consider notoriously toxic trolls such as Jumpman Lane, Kalel Venkman’s Justice League Unlimited vigilantes, or Prokofy Neva -- and the level of effort required to spend years tracking and data-mining other players or mounting an endless series of intensive blog, Twitter, and Google bombing campaigns designed to humiliate and destroy enemies.
Forgiveness and redemption seem to be alien concepts for some trolls upstanding Second Life residents, which implies a deep psychological need is being addressed. What exactly is going on?
A recent article in The Economist describing how “quite ordinary people will succumb to bad behaviour if the circumstances are right” may hold some answers.
According to the article, Nathanael Fast of the University of Southern California and colleagues at Northwestern and Stanford universities ran a series of experiments to see if social circumstances around power and status have the potential to create “little Hitlers” who annoy and frustrate others for their own gratification - or are certain individuals predisposed to this sort of behaviour simply gravitating into situations where they can behave badly?
The experiments randomly placed participants into one of 4 groups: high power/high status, low power/low status, low power/high status, and high power/low status. Participants were given the option of forcing other participants to perform humiliating actions -- or not.
Those in the low status/high power group chose significantly more demeaning tasks to impose onto other participants, while those in the other 3 groups did not exhibit this behaviour.
Does this mean that the more extreme guardians of Second Life feel they are in a position of low status in real life and are compensating by harassing and humiliating those within their reach?
If, as the study suggests, the combination of low status and high power is a recipe for trouble, I am beginning to think the celebrated free social media tools which empower those dedicated to cultivating their Internet notoriety may contain the seeds of their own destruction as the "little Hitlers" of the social media use their online power to trash everyone else.
Do you still want to play Web 2.0 after watching Jumpman Lane’s Twitter assault on Stroker Serpentine, LabRatuOut’s assault on Esbee Linden, or after following Prokofy Neva’s carefully crafted Google bombing attacks on all and sundry? How do you feel after learning that Kalel Venkman is still expanding and unsuccessfully attempting to secure his Brainiac wiki data mine?
Is this the sort of game you want to play?
Senban Babii
Oct 27th, 2011
@Reader
Why, am I getting to you am I getting to you?
Reader
Oct 27th, 2011
@Sen,
No. I was being serious. I hear you are awesome at crocheting.
Make me one, 8′ x 4 1/2′. I’ll leave the pattern and colors up to you.
; )
Tux
Oct 27th, 2011
@ JD
I have simply been countering the argument that SL and RL are the same. Through this I have you three mixed up, but when you used words such as illegal, citizen, subjects, law and the like, it honestly makes me wonder if you have SL and RL muddled a little. And the other point I have tried (and failed by the look of it) is: You cannot apply the same morals and standards to SL that you would to RL, because of the aforementioned reasons.
@ Paul
Hahaha, the JLU redacted that story ages ago. The fact is we, nor anyone else, knows who got the wiki. Only TheList can answer that. Certainly had it been me, I would have been arrested upon the first report to SY. And yet, here I am!
Jumpman Lane
Oct 27th, 2011
Tux ya whole style is chump! Everything ya done is second life amounts to fail! Why ya keep loggin in! Rodvik passin out “Sittin Pretty Fulla Win” My Lil Bronies and you count that a a victory! Ur a mental midget! I tell you what! Tell us who your new paid accounts are! Hehehe! By now I bet ur used to remaking them!
Plastic Duck had real ACTUAL talent and a devilish sense of humor!
Tizz had style!
YOU TUX just have a wet face everytime somebody’s balls sweat caw ya hangin on some nut hairs!
Sap! Hehehehe
James Doe
Oct 27th, 2011
TUX
OK I have thrown out all my RL morals. I can do what ever the hell i want in the game as long as 1.) Its doesn’t break the games designed rules TOS/CS or 2.) I break the rules and don’t get caught.
Does that sum it up?
Tux
Oct 27th, 2011
@ Paul
‘on in a parcel that they have carefully built’
If this is the case, then they will have protected it too right? The griefers in SL have very little knowledge in all honesty. What would they do? Produce some particles? Turn them off. Rezz some cubes? Turn off build. Every action a griefer does is easily undone. File an AR or two. Does that make sense?
‘Then, you say that if it were you children playing an elaborate role-play in a treefort or something, and someone comes along and demolishes the fort and ruins their play, it is wrong.’
Did I say it was wrong? I thought I said it happened! Anyway, knowing kids, they will demolish each others stuff repetitively it is what they do. But you are trying to compare RL kids with an adult game. With each destruction the kids would learn from they previous building mistakes and make more secure structures. Are you saying the residents of SL are incapable of learning from their mistakes?
Paul
Oct 27th, 2011
@Tux
I never said RL and SL are the same, and I am not mixed up at all. I just enjoy listening to you rationalize how it is ok for you to grief someone for no other reason then your own sophomoric pleasure. I just keep feeding you rope and you never shut up.
It helps to understand a much larger question, and what was the topic of the original article. Why people behave so badly in internet contexts? Based on what you have said, the griefer apparently feels no interpersonal responsibility to others whatsoever. When you grief someone you, you are literally destroying the treefort with the kids playing in it, and you think it is funny and it (apparently) makes you feel powerful. You then justify your bad behavior with a bunch of nonsense (it’s just a game, it is not illegal), which of course, you have to, otherwise you would have to face your own contradictions. I give you some credit for eloquence (you certainly do a bit better job Intlibber or Orca Flotta), but your argument is WAFAH-THIN (said with a Monty Python accent).
I am left to conclude, based on Tux’s rationalization, that griefers are indeed “little hitlers” who need to bolster their poor status in RL by acting like bullies in an arena where they can actually manage things in an otherwise scary and uncertain world.
Paul
Oct 27th, 2011
“Are you saying the residents of SL are incapable of learning from their mistakes?” LMAO see? rationalization at its finest.
Tux, you can make it sound as noble as you want..you are still behaving like a jackass and being rude and inconsiderate. Nobody asked you to come in and give a lesson on how to keep a tree fort safe. See this is why I won’t say my SL name… I don’t need a bunch of punk griefers taking it upon themselves to ‘entertain’ my sim or “teach me so I learn from my mistakes.’ and If i told you you were not welcome… I bet you would stop, right? yeah right.
Tux
Oct 27th, 2011
Yes JD that is exactly it, except you cannot break the rules without being caught. At least not in SL, because everything is logged. But it requires AR’s to point LL to where to look. They no longer have the man power to spend investigating themselves.
So in its simplest form: You can play SL anyway you wish within the confines of the rules!
Does anyone disagree?
James Doe
Oct 27th, 2011
@Paul,
Yes griefers are “little hitlers’” as well that is obvious.
I do classify the spandex brigade in that as well. But to not say the W-hats, Wrong Hands, The Pink Hands are not little hitlers as well is wrong. I will accept that not all of them are, but why do i need too my RL morals and common sense tell me that not all them are griefers or little hitlers but i can’t apply my rl morals to sl according to tux.
This argument is so funny cause Tux and everyone want to apply their real life morals on the JLU and others.
Its why they kept trying to bring up the suicide, and the death threat.
Tux
Oct 27th, 2011
@ JD
‘Its why they kept trying to bring up the suicide, and the death threat.’
That would be RL FYI.
Senban Babii
Oct 27th, 2011
@Reader
“No. I was being serious. I hear you are awesome at crocheting.
Make me one, 8′ x 4 1/2′. I’ll leave the pattern and colors up to you.”
Oh that kind of Afghan? I thought you meant an Afghan hound. I was going to say because wow, that would be totally difficult to knit.
Reader
Oct 27th, 2011
“Yes JD that is exactly it, except you cannot break the rules without being caught. At least not in SL, because everything is logged. But it requires AR’s to point LL to where to look. They no longer have the man power to spend investigating themselves.”
Tux understands the dynamics, the logistics. Getting caught isn’t a matter (necessarily) of getting caught by a watchful eye of the service provider, nor some automated detection system – NO – getting caught has EVERYTHING to do with getting manually AR’d. And who else effectively administrates or pushes AR’s towards traceable, logged events? JLU
Hence the massive butthurt exuded by the TWH.
See, now we are getting somewhere.
It’s all about NOT GETTING CAUGHT and eliminating the enemy that facilitates their (TWH+) repeated removal. That’s game or sport.
That part I get. The problem is, TWH+ resorts to mob scenes and riots of late because they can’t play the game “indoors” anymore.
So they take to the WWW.
SLUniverse
SLC2 or whatever it’s called
The various personal blogs of the various head-cases
TheListSL
YouTube
and The Herald
In defense though, the JLU do have
Kryptonradio
James Doe
Oct 27th, 2011
OK Tux,
So Prokofy pushing Robble into a road well that’s Robbles fault he should have sat down to prevent that.
Prokofy messing with Annie’s cars and then ar them is Annies fault since Prokofy is doing what she wants with a flaw in the game.
JLU tracking people, documenting people copying chat logs to their wiki. why are you all upset about that. Its their game they just playing it better than others.
So the JLU hasn’t gotten caught yet or they have a good deal with the Lab. They out played you all in this game.
Why cry about it?
Paul
Oct 27th, 2011
That is another good point JD. To be clear, I think the JLU are just as reprehensible as the griefers, but by Tux’s own logic, the JLU has completely kicked their asses.
James Doe
Oct 27th, 2011
@Reader,
That is exactly what i was thinking they can’t beat the JLU in the game of second life because they watch them like vultures.
So they trying to get rid of them in second life.
It does seem a bunch of hurt young adults who got beat by a bunch of older people and they all upset about it.
I thought one of the sayings of Woodbury was grow some f’n Balls and stop crying and Troll harder.
Paul
Oct 27th, 2011
JD,
Welll….. maybeso. But also, in the spirit of the original article…. another interesting question is where does the “Low Status” in RL come from that would make people like the JLU and these griefers behave like such douches in second life? Maybe The Penquin or Batman was dumped out of his treefort and wants revenge?
Tux
Oct 27th, 2011
@ JD
‘So Prokofy pushing Robble into a road well that’s Robbles fault he should have sat down to prevent that.’
Yes, unless he was sitting XD. But had Robble AR’d Prok, LL would have checked the collisions.
‘Prokofy messing with Annie’s cars and then ar them is Annies fault since Prokofy is doing what she wants with a flaw in the game.’
However Prok is breaking TOS/CS by picking on Ann. It is for LL to decide.
‘JLU tracking people, documenting people copying chat logs to their wiki. why are you all upset about that. Its their game they just playing it better than others.’
Wrong, the JLU are doing this in RL, not in the game. Therefore does not comply with the game rules.
‘So the JLU hasn’t gotten caught yet or they have a good deal with the Lab. They out played you all in this game.’
Wrong again, do you really believe LL has ignored this? LL have to be careful legally what they say because unlike the JLU, LL is responsible for protecting it’s players.
‘Why cry about it?’
Tears of laughter.
Once more it comes down to that line between RL and SL.
Paul
Oct 27th, 2011
Once more it comes down to your rationalizations. I get it, Tux.
Reader
Oct 27th, 2011
Right JD. And in all honesty, when you stack up the scoreboard (and trust me, TWH+ crew are WAY INTO keeping score…) the amount of nonsense on the WWW in stark opposition to the JLU amounts to what people in the upper-midwest call “Shit Tons’ in comparison to the occassional piece about TWH/Woodbury/W-Hat published on Kryptonradio. See, in defense of the JLU, they manage to exude doing “That” more successfully then fixating primarily on “This”, as a general rule. The otherside however is fixated, at worrisome pathological levels, primarily on “This”. Just to be clear, the “This” for TWH is an ever-meandering path that jumps from topic to topic – - of suicide, to Prok, to IP harvesting, to RL contact, back to Prok, to the PD and when somewhat mentally exhausted – back to Prok. In the meantime, the JLU keep plugging along in a somewhat predictable fashion, with presence and determination. You might not like how they’ve approached things on general principal, but they are consistent in the spandex application.
BTW, is the whole Penguin thing a mockery of the famous “Duck” man? Did I miss something?
Reader
Oct 27th, 2011
OMG! Tux just did what I got through commenting about.
Poetically Pathological I might add…
Robble Rubble
Oct 27th, 2011
@Reader, Paul and JD
How come you guys ignore all questions that don’t allow you to call me or Tux a hypocrite?
Why do you expect anyone to take what you say seriously when you use the cowardly tactic of using a pseudonym to protect your pseudonym while lobbing accusations until one sticks? Why is it so important that all of you set up in unassailable positions while attacking people? How much are you guys going to whine and bitch when I say this is a cowardly, spineless and underhanded tactic?
Paul
Oct 27th, 2011
@ Rubble
Which questions are those? I think you and Tux do a fine job painting yourselves as hypocrites all on your own.
I use a pseudonym because tux has made it perfectly clear that he regards it as correct behavior to randomly grief the sim of random residents in Second LIfe, and that he regard such behavior as “entertainment” , “teaching a lesson” , and “playing the game” so long as he can get away with it. Given his stated, clear, and public position, why on earth would I be interested in telling him who I am in SL?
Reader
Oct 27th, 2011
“@Reader, Paul and JD
How much are you guys going to whine and bitch when I say this is a cowardly, spineless and underhanded tactic?”
Frustrated much?
But to the point, I personally ignore the pathological rants of individuals that cannot and will not grow-up. Not to mention, not every question deserves the dignity of an answer when it’s just presented as another canned (and pathologically repeated) question. Furthermore, the “operation” that exists here and was well manifested back on SLU by TWH+, weeks ago, is to group-bang with multi angled questioning, repeat questioning and demonstrable ignoring of questions by even the likes of YOU.
You’re lucky anyone has engaged you as much as they have here considering what a whiny, spineless twerp you can be and you graciously allowed to be revealed, to everyone, in that toasty sammich bit on YouTube. That was one of your BIGGEST mistakes Robble. Figure out a way to fix that.
So here we go again but you asked for it. The perceived, anti-YOU voices on this site (and most definitely in your head…) don’t want nor do we need to provide you more (fresh) targets in world. I think that’s been plainly explained multiple times. Why you ask? Because all of you idiots have proved, over-and-over, that you are pathological obsessive types that love cartoon sports. And why is that? Because it bears repeating yet again, THIS IS ALL YOU HAVE.
See the game changed on a massive scale as more and more of you idiots on this stage were revealed in RL and/or were banned in SL. Note that part – BOTH SIDES. (it’s worth mentioning that the perma’s were obviously one sided…) When that happens, either you move on to “That” or you drive yourself into the ground being an e-tard fixated on “This”.
I talked about my view on the whole “as the players in the game become revealed” thing weeks ago. Frankly though, it is not just an opinion and certainly not held just by me. Thanks for giving me an opportunity to bring it back to the forefront – yet again Robble.
Paul
Oct 27th, 2011
@Rubble
and also, how is it “spineless, cowardly, and underhanded.”? I am just asking questions, and you can respond all you want, publicly, or ignore me. That is what we are doing here… chatting about a topic. Participate in the “game” or not. What else do you need besides my words to respond to? Why would you need to know my RL or SL name? What would you do with that information? Is it ‘cowardly’ because you don’t have the opportunity to then date-mine me or visit me in SL? Why would you need to do that to have a discussion here? Have I taken away some of your favorite ‘debate’ tactics? I would be helpless against a griefer attack… that is not why I ‘play the game’ of SL and I have no desire to be ‘taught a lesson’ in sim security by any of you jokers.
So Rubble, if you don’t want to be painted a hypocrite, I suggest you stop answering our questions, but like tux, you can’t seem to help yourself.
IntLibber Brautigan
Oct 27th, 2011
What I find so amusing is, that Prok posts an article on HER blog spazzing falsely about not showing up in search, yet because everybody knows that her blog is a no-free-speech-zone, they all comment about it here on the Herald, which only increases the traffic here, without Pix having to write a single article about it….. So Prok is still making Urizenus money without actually being a contributor here….
Reader
Oct 27th, 2011
In other words, not knowing who is countering your opinion isn’t as important when YOU YOURSELF are still anonymous. All of you idiots that fall back on that particular stance sung completely different tunes when you weren’t a “known commodity”.
Tux
Oct 27th, 2011
@ Paul
I play advocate to griefers because I do not see their actions as the be all and end all of Second Life that you do. Pray tell how is their smattering of particles or lolcubes anything more than a minor distraction in an otherwise perfect game?
You are deliberately blowing this out of all proportion as a way to detract from the wrongdoings of the RL stalkers. Not to say I haven’t enjoyed your entire collection of posts.
But no one is harmed when they get griefed, in fact many laugh and joke about it. And one thing is certain, they all learn from it. LL allows you to own virtual land, and they give you the ability to protect it. They just don’t tell you how. The JLU exploit this fact for their own gain. No matter what you say here you cannot detract from that!
James Doe
Oct 27th, 2011
“Why do you expect anyone to take what you say seriously when you use the cowardly tactic of using a pseudonym to protect your pseudonym while lobbing accusations until one sticks”
Robble we haven’t changed our discussions at all.
You all seem too change it.
Again with the Pseudonym issue?
Why does someone who proclaims they are all about internet privacy want to know who we are? I mean I thought you were in the PINK HANDS Robble and they are all about protecting ones privacy on the internet and SL? But you keep bringing wanting to know.
I have given you all plenty hints of who i am but your to freaking blind to see it. not my fault your slow to pick up on it.
Go on now have fun doing your google searches.
We can wait.
Reader
Oct 27th, 2011
See, Tux does it again. Back to rationalizing the bytes and pixels as harmless and fun – and a matter of “learning”. Tux uses that rationale alot (<- humor inserted…) when describing his antics. If you are lucky, you might even get him to go off on a tangent about how valued he is in "developing" enhancements to Second Life – both on the security & functional levels. Delusional folks. Simple diagnosis. THIS IS ALL HE HAS and he is way over the edge about it.. Next he will be throwing up his arms and countering with, "this is just a distraction" for the RL atrocities of the JLU. "How dare you!" he blurts out, realizing just then that he just woke up one of kids and he had better stfu.
We should all set our stop watches together and measure when the next pathological swing as it veers abruptly back towards the subject of suicide, Kalel talking about using his gun or funnier yet, back to Prok. If not by him (Tux), one of the other three stooges will be sure to help out. You can count on that…
IntLibber Brautigan
Oct 27th, 2011
Have to agree with Tux for the most part. The primary things that ever annoyed me with griefers was the sim crashing, and the automated IM spam that was impossible to counter effectively for months at a time because LL was SO damn slow with its “process” of fixing things where other companies would whip out a fix within 24 hours if they actually gave a shit about their customers. Particle spam of goatse when you are trying to have some sort of serious discussion over something is also an issue when most people dont know how to turn off particles, and LL are serious assholes in not giving landowners the ability to turn off particles of visitors based on land ownership or land group roles (ya, we’ve only been asking for that feature since, like 2006).
However, as detailed above, being able to control public building and scripts doesnt really give the landowner enough ability to protect their land, and never did, and LL knew this and persisted in keeping their customers in a position of being incapable of dealing with other forms of griefing *intentionally* because the employees of LL saw it as a form of job security to make the customers dependent upon LL staff to deal with such problems, while at the same time the VC backers of LL (primarily the one that is CIA owned) got LL contracts with the CIA and DoD to study griefing as a form of civil strife (Chadrick Linden was in charge of that contract before he left the company).
When Woodbury and BNT drained the manpower of the PN and gave former griefers avenues to relegitimize themselves, with creative outlets and employment opportunities, LL intentionally worked with JLU to destroy this program because it interfered with their government contracts. They NEEDED griefers to grief, residents be damned, because, much as like on Facebook, where the users are NOT the customers, they are the product, SL residents arent the real customers of LL, they are the product, the lab rats (i.e. why LL is called Linden Lab and not Linden Games)….
Paul
Oct 27th, 2011
“Pray tell how is their smattering of particles or lolcubes anything more than a minor distraction in an otherwise perfect game?”
It may not be a distraction at all, and it certainly has never bothered me personally inworld. But that is not the point… Personally, I am interested generally in the rational behind this kind of behavior, so once again, you have paid off in spades for me.
Once again, tell your kids: go ahead and steal the apple from the fruit vendor, it is just one, and he has lots…it will do know harm, just a minor distraction!
Tux
Oct 27th, 2011
I notice how you seemingly deliberately ignored this:
- So in its simplest form: You can play SL anyway you wish within the confines of the rules!
- Does anyone disagree?
Or did that fail to have a distracting counter argument?
Senban Babii
Oct 27th, 2011
@Paul
“Once again, tell your kids: go ahead and steal the apple from the fruit vendor, it is just one, and he has lots…it will do know harm, just a minor distraction!”
*sigh*
But no, actually thanks! Because that’s the perfect introduction to the blog I just wrote while you were all having fun over here. I imagine you’ll totally misinterpret it as you have all my other points in this thread but that’s okay because other people might see how it ties in directly to what you just wrote.
/me grins and swishes her tail.
Oh, right, the link.
http://whenitchanged.blogspot.com/2011/10/game-morality.html
Bunjie
Oct 27th, 2011
I disagree Tux as: we’re not playing by the same rules, even if they pretend to exist as a frame work they the (tos) is irrelevant as so much stuff goes unreported, investigated or enforced/punished, if the TOS was relevant and working to make Second Life a stable environment your wife would have been able to submit tickets and been unbanned, but she found herself perma-banned with Lindens who found/made up excuses to cover their arse because they didn’t really investigate and took Kalel Venkman and his AR party at his word.
The TOS is now the equivalent of a UN charter that’s only enforced for political/drama reasons, they’re irrelevant to most estates who have long since just managed themselves under their own land charter/rules and don’t even bother abuse reporting 90% of issues.
Rules that aren’t enforced against all parties proportionality and fairly result in civil war go look at Libya, do you really think those groups in the end when it all falls apart will care about UN/NATO charter rules and fair play? after they killed a prisoner of war and it was pushed for and celebrated by Hillary Clinton? once the outcry calms down and people go back to x-factor they’ll have nothing to worry about and will do what ever they like which will likely include punishment that is against human rights.
Not to mention they now want Islamic law “sharia” and while I’m not against Islam etc like anyone else even Gaddafi there’s certain aspects of it that I don’t agree with the same way we don’t like the patriot act laws that interfere with your human rights so does “sharia” have laws that repress women, but being based on faith and religion they’re impossible to change and break out of without what the US and UN calls “A Little Hitler” to guide the people away from such laws as religious leaders always default to every micro law without caring about the global/international impact and what people want compared to other countries freedoms.
Why fight to be free only to repress your whole country? that’s not helping them at all but it’s what they want? no if you watch the reports and from RT etc you’ll find out 90% of people are hesitant of where it’s going and didn’t really care about Gaddafi because he gave them a stable life.
I don’t of course agree with everything Gaddafi did as I’m detached from the reality of what the worst of his regime really did but I don’t believe all propaganda the same way I don’t believe Iran tried to kill the diplomat on US soil it’s all bullshit political theater.
But if only 1000s are on the streets celebrating and those are the fighters who want to repress the country by freeing it with the support of NATO and the US/UK bombs and the millions of inhabitants of that country don’t come out in support of what happened and dislike how he was treated at the end, what does that say to you?
The only reason they now relent that he as killed in cross fire was because it was recorded and the outcry was so great they could not ignore it or be seen internationally as barbaric with an out of control population descending into civil war.
“Libya’s interim government says it will prosecute anyone found responsible for the death of Muammar Gaddafi after his capture, in a retreat from its earlier insistence that the dictator had been killed by crossfire.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/27/gaddafi-killers-face-prosecution-libya?newsfeed=true
Civil war will and is breaking out because the enforcement of rules aren’t proportionate as without that “Little Hitler” that the US says he was has nothing to hold them together from the gangs and insurgent groups that are the real issue and that the US supported in order to oust him and murder him over what ever deal he broke or was planing to do.
It has nothing to do with human rights because if it was they’d not have bombed them into the stone age by removing hospitals and other primary services.
It’s like Second Life without adequate enforcement from a legal and just police force it leaves a fluid situation run by untrained gangs like the JLU who roam the streets with weapons, the removal of the control structure, public facilities & Gaddafi through propaganda and bombs has ruined a once stable country that was the pride of Africa with good health care and other things that is now crushed under the weight of international pressure to remove what they call a dictator “Little Hitler”.
With Linden Lab the removal of the G-Team and other support staff, and an over reliance on self trained and bias citizen watch groups like the JLU pushes people into taking care of themselves and taking matters into their own hands and this is how gangs form to protect their territory.
So no, were not playing by the same rules as those rules only exist to protect the 1% who are either loud enough to cause political/social fall out or abuse the system, also guest accounts get even less support so that’s inductive that estate owners have high priority on abuse reports but even so residents like Kalel Venkman and Prokofy Neva suck up that time that premium account owners have paid into for the extra support..
Prokofy Neva’s business practices are to undercut everyone, not use any technology like bots that invite anyone to her what should be closed group who’ve paid rent to one of her boxes, and leave any fall out on Linden Labs support staff who have to clear up her constant stream of issues that she abuses to get traffic and drama so she “found” in search and rented from, she should be paying extra for any further support she causes by attracting griefing insurgents from SA/PN/4-CHAN/etc because they’re wrecking the service by using up the support time and burning Lindens out dealing with their constant drama.
Charge Prokofy money for the extra support that’s above and beyond and clearly a result of her business practices, Linden Lab should go back over 5 years + and calculate her impact on the support teams and set a limit on what is acceptable then what ever shes gone over charge the bitch till she stops being a cunt for renters.
They don’t protect all of us and they don’t provide any democratic freedom
Paul
Oct 27th, 2011
Ok Tux I will bite, since you are such a good sport:
I don’t agree.
How about this instead: in its simplest form:
“You can play SL anyway you wish within the confines of the rules, and so long as you don’t intentionally disturb or disrupt the game play or property of your fellow residents.”
James Doe
Oct 27th, 2011
Paul
I agree as well.
I will copy and past what you wrote because it is very good
“You can play SL anyway you wish within the confines of the rules, and so long as you don’t intentionally disturb or disrupt the game play or property of your fellow residents.”
Paul
Oct 27th, 2011
@ Senban
Nice article, but no, I don’t agree. Common courtesy and respect for your fellow travelers would seem to be admiral goals to shoot for, where ever you are, inside of a game or otherwise.
Reader
Oct 27th, 2011
Bunjie, are you Shemp or Curly?
Reader
Oct 27th, 2011
This is good:
“You can play SL anyway you wish within the confines of the rules, and so long as you don’t intentionally disturb or disrupt the game play or property of your fellow residents.”
Now, let’s watch the lynchmob pick it apart..
Tux
Oct 27th, 2011
Bunjie, that is my point (if I read your post right, I am now quite tired). The JLU are exploiting where the game gods are failing. That said, it is impossible to relate to RL.
Because, and I will use myself as an example:
I am in the highest tax bracket in the country, I own two properties personally and one through my company. I have three cars, two of which are new. By LL current standards, I would receive a better response from the police than someone less fortunate. However, recently someone broke the emblem of the front of my car. When I called the police they did the same as they would for any member of the public, they gave me a crime number for my insurance. Of course, I didn’t notify my insurance I just had it repaired.
So in RL we are all equal (at least in my country) and the laws are the same for everyone. In a game, it is the owners of the platform who choose what warrants discipline. This is why ARing is important. Unfortunately LL is understaffed, there are AR addicts who waste LL’s time, and probably the worst thing is Linden’s are left to act on their own opinions. This is a flaw in LL and really should be addressed. But ultimately the TOS applies to everyone equally.
If I miss read your post I apologise.
James Doe
Oct 27th, 2011
@Senban Babii
Yes nice article.
But the combat games and World of Warcraft are different from SL.
Problem is this.
Some people view SL as a social media network while others view it as a game.
So you need to respect the people who view it as a social media.
I think Second Life as the old AOL chat rooms.
You had people do Role play Like D&D and others stuff.
You had people do cyber sex
You had people just hanging out having fun
You had people who Spammed the chats, (like griefers do in sl)
I go into World of Warcraft i know i am playing a game. I will go on a Raid or Quest. Second Life I don’t have that.
I still think what Paul wrote fits SL more.
“You can play SL anyway you wish within the confines of the rules, and so long as you don’t intentionally disturb or disrupt the game play or property of your fellow residents.”
James Doe
Oct 27th, 2011
Tux
RL we are all equal in the laws eyes?
Please tell this to the under Privaliged here in the United States where it can take half hour for police response time. Just because of the area they live in.
Sorry at least in the US If i have money I get more for my dollar than someone else.
Isn’t that what in part the OWS is all about?
Tux
Oct 27th, 2011
“You can play SL anyway you wish within the confines of the rules, and so long as you don’t intentionally disturb or disrupt the game play or property of your fellow residents.”
Actually the game rules covers this. So it is in fact the same as my version. You see you are not the one who to decide who is disturbing or disrupting the game play, because you have already shown you are unable to be impartial by insulting certain types of avatar.
James Doe
Oct 27th, 2011
“You see you are not the one who to decide who is disturbing or disrupting the game play”
Yes we actually do, its called the ban and mute and AR system.
We ban, mute and file a report of the disruption of game play. And then Lindens makes the final call on if they really did or not.
Tux
Oct 27th, 2011
@ JD
‘I go into World of Warcraft i know i am playing a game. I will go on a Raid or Quest. Second Life I don’t have that.’
Actually you do, if you want. It is a user created platform, you can do anything you wish (within the confines of the rules).
‘Isn’t that what in part the OWS is all about?’
How should I know, I haven’t followed any of it. But if you are unhappy with your country use your vote.
‘Lindens makes the final call on if they really did or not.’
Ding, ding, ding!
Robble Rubble
Oct 27th, 2011
@JD
You can make that trail of breadcrumbs as long and obvious as you want, it still doesn’t mean I’m going to follow it.
@Paul
I asked questions about Prokofy’s absence from search and the implosion of the PD group, I’m not repeating them because it would get Reader’s panties in a bunch apparently since I would be repeating myself.
@Reader
I’m sure that a youtube video of me prank calling LL pales in comparison to the JLU chatlogs of them doing nefarious things like: Talking about DMCAing RFL, mocking someone’s online obituary comments section, making up fake identities (Bob Wayne) to contact university officials, and resorting to RL stalking for having their pixels jostled with a lolcube along with a whole laundry list of low down, cowardly shit.
Robble Rubble
Oct 27th, 2011
So guys, if this was really a huge waste of time like Reader is complaining it is:
Why did the JLU get notified by LL to not use brainiac for in world investigations anymore?
Why did the group lose almost half of it’s members?
Why are the JLU attempting to rebrand themselves as their league of heroes group?
Why did the PD group implode?
James Doe
Oct 27th, 2011
So Tux,
Basically the JLU learned how to manipulate the “game” better than you all did. And how to get Lindens to Ban griefers quicker and more efficient. In your terms they found the flaw and used it.
Just as you say Lindens gives us the tools. Well they used them on you people very effectively.
Robble
Your the one who keeps bring it up about my name here. I don’t need to tell you anything to justify what i type here, I have seen what your kind of people do in other forums when people stand up with their rl identiy or SL identiy.
Question: Again isn’t that what The Pink Hands are all about teaching people about online privacy and security in SL and internet?
But you seem to keep wanting to violate that why? Seems to me The Pink Hands aren’t about that since you keep asking why i hide.
Robble
I could care less that PD imploded or Prokofy gone from SL. Do you really think they are really gone? Have you really left sl after all your bans, or Tux , or Tizzers? So what makes you think they are really gone.
Why do you care so you can go wave a flag in victory till they show up again?
Senban Babii
Oct 27th, 2011
@James Doe
“I go into World of Warcraft i know i am playing a game. I will go on a Raid or Quest. Second Life I don’t have that.”
Exactly my point I think you’ll find. Gamespaces like say Modern Warfare 2 have a far more symmetric morality than SL because everyone is there for largely similar reasons. SL by its very nature has an underlying asymmetric morality and any attempt to enforce one morality over another is as a result of naivety or simple ego.
However the point is that expecting non-gamespace morality to extend into gamespace is a failed expectation and that’s my point. Oh you can wish your personal interpretation of morality was dominant and you might try to convince others but you have no legal or moral imperative to force others to conform. Asymmetric morality. Whether you agree or not won’t prevent this remaining the reality of Second Life.
I won’t bother replying to Paul’s analysis as he confirmed exactly what I’d written even if he doesn’t see why