Understanding the “Little Hitlers” of Second Life
by Pixeleen Mistral on 24/10/11 at 1:50 am
I’ve long wondered at the connection between Second Life’s endless supply of over-the-top drama and the strange psychology of certain players -- particularly those seriously invested in “defending” Linden Lab and “policing” the Second Life grid.
What is it about Second Life that attracts and retains obsessive-compulsive meta-gamerz who can’t keep their play inside the game?
Do large land tier payments to the Lab trump civil discourse even when Lab staff are swept up in an ugly cycle of Twitter/Google bombing payback as we saw with the LabRatuOut mess? After a concerted effort to attract the Lab’s attention to the recent excesses of the Justice League Unlimited, some of my friends in The Pink Hands faction are getting a bit cynical.
the Pink Hands faction is becoming cynical about Linden Lab
The golden rule seems to be in effect - those spending the virtual gold, rule. Perhaps Rod Humble is just hoping he can finish his new not-SL mobile-device-enabled game before the house of cards falls.
Meanwhile, consider notoriously toxic trolls such as Jumpman Lane, Kalel Venkman’s Justice League Unlimited vigilantes, or Prokofy Neva -- and the level of effort required to spend years tracking and data-mining other players or mounting an endless series of intensive blog, Twitter, and Google bombing campaigns designed to humiliate and destroy enemies.
Forgiveness and redemption seem to be alien concepts for some trolls upstanding Second Life residents, which implies a deep psychological need is being addressed. What exactly is going on?
A recent article in The Economist describing how “quite ordinary people will succumb to bad behaviour if the circumstances are right” may hold some answers.
According to the article, Nathanael Fast of the University of Southern California and colleagues at Northwestern and Stanford universities ran a series of experiments to see if social circumstances around power and status have the potential to create “little Hitlers” who annoy and frustrate others for their own gratification - or are certain individuals predisposed to this sort of behaviour simply gravitating into situations where they can behave badly?
The experiments randomly placed participants into one of 4 groups: high power/high status, low power/low status, low power/high status, and high power/low status. Participants were given the option of forcing other participants to perform humiliating actions -- or not.
Those in the low status/high power group chose significantly more demeaning tasks to impose onto other participants, while those in the other 3 groups did not exhibit this behaviour.
Does this mean that the more extreme guardians of Second Life feel they are in a position of low status in real life and are compensating by harassing and humiliating those within their reach?
If, as the study suggests, the combination of low status and high power is a recipe for trouble, I am beginning to think the celebrated free social media tools which empower those dedicated to cultivating their Internet notoriety may contain the seeds of their own destruction as the "little Hitlers" of the social media use their online power to trash everyone else.
Do you still want to play Web 2.0 after watching Jumpman Lane’s Twitter assault on Stroker Serpentine, LabRatuOut’s assault on Esbee Linden, or after following Prokofy Neva’s carefully crafted Google bombing attacks on all and sundry? How do you feel after learning that Kalel Venkman is still expanding and unsuccessfully attempting to secure his Brainiac wiki data mine?
Is this the sort of game you want to play?
Reader
Oct 27th, 2011
@Robble
Stuff like this:
“I’m sure that a youtube video of me prank calling LL pales in comparison to the JLU chatlogs of them doing nefarious things like: Talking about DMCAing RFL, mocking someone’s online obituary comments section, making up fake identities (Bob Wayne) to contact university officials, and resorting to RL stalking for having their pixels jostled with a lolcube along with a whole laundry list of low down, cowardly shit.”
coupled with your RL picture and your “prank” voice print on YouTube should give anyone interested adequate resolution to who you really are and, more importantly, how you feel about yourself.
You spent loads of time as a tattle-tail in gradeschool because someone rolled you on playground and stole your lunch money or wouldn’t share the ball, called you disparaging names in high school because of the sound of your voice (even past puberty) and pushed you aside at an Occupy event as an adult because you wouldn’t share your zucchini bread recipe or they said it was store bought and hurt your feeelings. True statements?
(don’t answer that, it was rhetorical..)
I don’t fault you for being who you grew up to be; that’s your parent’s fault. What I do detest is your inability to move on to “That” from this.
But that’s just me. You’re the one that has to live with yourself, when you hit the sack at night, to when you rub your eyes in the morning and along that journey throughout each-and-every-day.
Man up brochacho!
And as a bonus, don’t be in such denial. Repetitive Deficit Disorder isn’t hard to overcome and you repeated yourself even when you made excuses about not wanting to repeat yourself because of my perceived reaction.
Suicide mockery
Prok
Gun toting superheroes
IP harvesting
RL phone calls
More Prok
Personal info amassed
Tarnishing someones academic standing
Back to Prok
blah…blah…blah
Who repeatedly blows the head-gasket and cries moar in monotone fashion…JLU or you idiots? And who the hell cares at this point. Really? Pretty much the misfits; strike that, the THIS-fits.
Ha Ha. Justed coined a new one. Just for you:
Quit throwing a hissy little THIS-fit
Move to “That”
Problem solved.
Make sense?
Bunjie
Oct 27th, 2011
Today I’m Ron Paul so Audit Prokofy Neva and Kalel Venkman, bill them for services rendered that impacted and abused the support system, that took support time away from everyone who really needed it to maintain themselves day to day inSL.
Residents who create drama around themselves for profit at the expense of other residents in-world basic needs should pay for it, less we have a system that supports the 1% and relegates the 99% to suffer while still having to pay the 1% for services or indirectly support the 1% when we pay via premium/upload/tax/fees for our own support at a later date.
I’ve been inSL for over 5 years not constantly but I’ve paid in enough over that time that I feel cheated at the support I now get, support I feel I paid for in advance and that even though it maybe I never needed it as much during that time as I don’t do half the things Prokofy does, but it makes me now feel I’ve been paying for Prokofy to scrape her issues onto the support staff so when ever I did need it I got way less support, because they’re exhausted, burnt out or just tired with Prokofy’s drama hence some Lindens wanted to get rid of her.
Much like US social security that some politicians want to privatize or destroy even though that pot is paid for in advance and can support those who paid into it, too bad your previous contributions don’t count towards getting adequate support in the future should you tier down.
@Reader
As for looking at who I am and making up crappy puns and other such material that doesn’t even reach the quality of a political smear campaign or regular insult, I can really only think that would make you the kind of person who enjoys watching 3 men slapping themselves about on camera, which was perhaps in some context a forerunner for interested parties to whack one off in a darkened movie theater.
I’m Bi but I don’t do live action gay pron, but of course I do happen to have a tasteful nude cutout of my avatar if that floats your boat.
http://furpunk.com/bunjies-pants.png
Like my virtual nipples? then try harder next time when twisting them.
Just something I used to give out for a “best in underpants” event, though after reading that attempt by your own lame’o lantern glow I can’t help but to want to wash my eyes out with bleach.
So I guess you’re GLE?
@Tux
I’m also tired.
I also probably miss read your post as we’re in the same timezone it’s pretty late 00:37 as the cuckoo flies.
Tux
Oct 27th, 2011
@ JD
‘Basically the JLU learned how to manipulate the “game” better than you all did.’
You think? Tell me who’s game character, Kalel’s or mine, has a bad reputation in game? Or is known for being a stalker? Or is disliked for whatever reason?
Now read the JLU’s wiki and look how many times they attempted to have Tux banned. And you know what? I am not in the least bit bitter. I made sure I had completed everything I wanted to prior to putting Tux on the chopping block. You see, I played my game as Tux and got to the end credits. Now I know I won, I can move on to a new role in the game. All this, your posts, and the others are simply reminding me I have successfully completed the game, not once but twice now. That is how I play.
Paul
Oct 27th, 2011
Tux said: “Actually the game rules covers this. So it is in fact the same as my version. You see you are not the one who to decide who is disturbing or disrupting the game play, because you have already shown you are unable to be impartial by insulting certain types of avatar.”
Wrong. When you go into someones parcel uninvited and intentionally mess up what they are doing because you think you can get away with it despite the rules, and you know those people do not want you there but you do it anyway, you are behaving badly.
insulting avatars… lol you are so “butthurt” by that. It’s just a game after all.
Robble Rubble
Oct 27th, 2011
@JD
I’m not going to datamine to find out what persona you are covering up but I can sure as hell can call you a coward all day long.
Reader
Oct 27th, 2011
Why did the JLU get notified by LL to not use brainiac for in world investigations anymore? – - Because that was the right thing to do.
You guys want credit for impacting change – there’s your 1st trophy.
Enjoy it.
Why did the group lose almost half of it’s members? – - Change happens. Did you guys force that entirely, highly unlikely.
Want to gloat about it like you did, have at it, but it makes you look pretty stupid. Really
Why are the JLU attempting to rebrand themselves as their league of heroes group? – - Again, change happens. All indications point to a revitalization, retooling, change of practices or modernizations if you will. What you guys might have done is help push the Yang to your Ying to become an even a worse monster. Feed that to your paranoid delusion – but seriously – they will adapt – no thanks to you.
Why did the PD group implode? – - Who cares. From what my research shows, they were way long standing and it’s amazing they lasted as long as they did. Truth be told, they were on the downslide long before you became such an activist..
Don’t hold you breath though, new groups will emerge to take their place. It’s a natural evolution. You’d be better off perfecting your zucchini bread recipe than continuing to fight the evil vigilante forces of Second Life. Feed you stomach with whole grains and protein instead of feeding your soul with “This” shit. Speaking of which, you can mash-up the letters in the word “This” and easily arrive at “Shit”. Ponder that Robble.
James Doe
Oct 27th, 2011
Robble,
Oh gasp I am so hurt you called me a coward…because i keep my identity private and out of your hands or your friends hands.
You still have not answered me.
Why is a member of The Pink Hands wanting to know who I am in second life or even real life when the Pink Hands are suppose to educate people on how to protect themselves in SL and Internet?
Tux,
I honestly think your name and Kalel’s is trashed.
Oh but you have your friends who respect you and Kalel has his.
But I am sure Paul and Reader would agree with me all your names are trashed in our eyes.
Robble Rubble
Oct 27th, 2011
@Reader
Quit projecting, my childhood was awesome.
Tux
Oct 27th, 2011
@ Paul
‘Wrong. When you go into someones parcel uninvited and intentionally mess up what they are doing because you think you can get away with it despite the rules, and you know those people do not want you there but you do it anyway, you are behaving badly.’
I am sorry Paul, I am not wrong. If you don’t want uninvited people manage your access lists. If they grief AR, mute and ban. If you just don’t want to interact with them, mute and ban. It is there in the rules. The Linden’s will asses it. No need for JLU here!
‘insulting avatars… lol you are so “butthurt” by that. It’s just a game after all.’
No Paul I am not ‘butthurt’, but I am banging my head on the wall trying to get you to understand a simple principle. You calling griefer’s avatars stupid is no different to a PN going to Furnation and shouting furfag. You are singling out a group and insulting them. That is in itself against the rules of the game. I understand this is not SL, but my point still stands. Because the wear a funny head, does that mean they have any less right to play the game than any other?
Robble Rubble
Oct 28th, 2011
@JD
“Why is a member of The Pink Hands wanting to know who I am in second life or even real life when the Pink Hands are suppose to educate people on how to protect themselves in SL and Internet?”
You’re getting extra defensive over me asking a question. And check me out, I’m not sitting here datamining to find out who you are, I’m ignoring your clues, and I’m not going to prove you right. JD, I asked you who you are rather than going behind your back and attempting to use internet detective methods to find out on my own. Something I’m refusing to do. You are the one who started up with personal attacks so why are you being so defensive about me calling you a coward?
coward
coward
coward
Tux
Oct 28th, 2011
@ JD
‘I honestly think your name and Kalel’s is trashed.’
Wrong, my former game name may be trashed or celebrated, it doesn’t matter because it is dead. Lol. Only you guys are keeping it alive. When all this dies down, my blog and everything else will be removed so I can concentrate on my new character. Which btw already has a good reputation.
Reader
Oct 28th, 2011
@Bunjie, you like guessing games don’t you? You must have some sort of affinity for GLE. I’m neither flattered or miffed. You and I have history, more so than Tux and I. You need to try harder idiot.
Beyond that, you aren’t worthy of any additional expose. Oh, and you already know I really don’t like the Three Stooges. Never have.
@Robble, whatever you say pal. You’re going to have to try alot (<- on purpose) harder than that though, the jig is up on you. Work on the self esteem part first and the rest will fall into place. Promise.
Reader
Oct 28th, 2011
See what I mean Robble? Outbursts like this go hand-in-hand with little to no self esteem.
coward
coward
coward
Tantrum much?
Robble Rubble
Oct 28th, 2011
@Reader
Again, quit projecting.
Paul
Oct 28th, 2011
Tux said:
“I am sorry Paul, I am not wrong. If you don’t want uninvited people manage your access lists. If they grief AR, mute and ban. If you just don’t want to interact with them, mute and ban. It is there in the rules. The Linden’s will asses it. No need for JLU here!”
Got it. explain to your children that is all right to come uninvited into someone else’s property, game, role-play, so long as they can get away with it and so long as the people they are trespassing on don’t have the means to defend themselves.
and… it is fine to randomly screw with other people’s role-play, but calling your avatar stupid is reprehensible and against the rules? lmaooo
it seems to me that two things really get Tux upset: lumping him in with Intlibber (can’t really blame him for that) and insulting his avatar.
but, I think we are really starting to go around in circles. I think it is time to go do something new and more productive. I think I will log into second life, find some random people role playing something, and just mess with them just because I can! I will make sure they do not enjoy whatever it is that they were doing, and mock them when they ask me to stop. I will tell them I Tux said it was ok, and that this is how I choose to play SL, and that tough, this is what happens get used to it. I will then feel very strong and proud of myself for having won the game. =]
Robble Rubble
Oct 28th, 2011
@Paul
“but, I think we are really starting to go around in circles. I think it is time to go do something new and more productive.”
You’re right, anything is more productive than sitting here arguing with pussies who won’t post by their actual avatar names.
-ciao
PS: My current alt’s name is Iggypop Bressig, have fun ARing the shit out of that.
Jumpman Lane
Oct 28th, 2011
Geeze I don’t even care this much hehehe
TL;DR
The comments section of tha Alphaville herald
Hehehehe
hobo kelly
Oct 28th, 2011
I think what is happening here is that Linden Labs is about to swing the ban hammer down on the JLU. The Herald has laser illuminated the targets for LL to take down by naming the names: Neva, Venkman, JLU, and Lane. Neva is now gone. And what we are seeing here is a last ditch effort by the JLU to come on here and try to whine their way out of a ban. I hope LL bursts these remaining pedo puss pockets sooner rather than later.
IntLibber Brautigan
Oct 28th, 2011
If only that were true, hobo….
James Doe
Oct 28th, 2011
Robble,
Well Robble thank you for handing me your name so I could add it to my region ban list.
Not that I care who you all are in sl, but you offered one of your many alts up is ok with me if you desire to do that but I still will not give you mine.
I am not affected by you calling me a coward because I desire to not give you my Second Life Avatar Name or My Real Life Name.
Keep calling me a coward all you want.
You just keep showing other people that is all you care about and all your talk about Second Life and Internet Privacy is BS.
Hobo,
OMG , So the Lab brings the ban hammer down on people eventually they will turn it around on the people directing them as well. I mean this is your argument about the JLU they have been directing the Lab to go after the lot of you.
Lets also be clear, these people will do what you all do and just come back in and do the same thing they have been doing.
Don’t forget many sims have asked JLU for help patrolling their sims. Other SandBoxs have sandbox managment as well to deal with griefers and all.
@Tux,
Kalel, saying he would have every right to shoot Tizzers was not real life, Unless he said it directly to Tizzers to the face when he knocked on his door. But he said it in a group chat with his friends in secondlife. So by your theory it was in SL when he said that so his morals can be what ever they want to be.
paul
Oct 28th, 2011
Ok, so Tux’s mandate is that we can do whatever we want in SL so long as you don’t get caught by the LL police. This leads me to believe that the griefer mentality is a child’s mentality…and a bad child at that…one who is incapable of managing themselves without adult supervision.
Young children often don’t have the ability to manage themselves or be responsible to others for their actions. When a 4 year old bites another 4 year old in school, we excuse them because they are children. There are rules in school, but the child is not fully capable of making fully responsible decisions that ‘biting another is bad’. So they just act according to their inclinations until they are told “no”. Over time, they learn they need to manage their own behavior independent of authority figures so they can grow up and be responsible adults. If they don’t learn these lessons or choose to reject them, and can’t control themselves as adults generally you have bad relationships, bad credit, or you go to jail. We call such individuals ‘disordered’ and give them labels such as ‘APD’ or ‘ADHD’ (at least in the States this is the terminology).
The adults in second life often ‘bite’ each other, but according to tux, it is ok because SL is a game and the TOS is in place to manage bad behavior. He says you can behave badly so long as there is no external check to stop you. This means, like a child, the griefer does not acknowledge responsibility to other people, and has no emotional regulation, no acknowledgement of obligations to a larger community, and no self control. In their minds, only they matter. Even if you define it as “just a game” there are other real people with other agendas playing the same game, but they will do whatever they want and rely on ‘police’ (i.e. the “adults”) to regulate them.
Tux, you can’t or are unwilling to manage your own behaviors, to be in charge of yourself. That makes you either a child or a jackass.
Personally, as an adult, I prefer to NOT rely on the authorities to tell me when I am behaving badly. Instead, I try, often unsuccessfully, to be in charge of myself, and respect the humanity around me, where ever that is, rather then holding it in contempt or using frailty as an excuse to hurt other people.
hobo kelly
Oct 28th, 2011
I love to hear these pervs whine and cry and baaaaw about poor little griefers. This whole line of bullshit the 3 stooges have been desperately spouting off in here just goes to show the JLU arent getting their neccessary quota of teannie bopper stalking in and their pedo thermometer is going down and getting low so they are PISSED. Keep up the good work everybody who is pushing back against against them: its working.
James Doe
Oct 28th, 2011
@ Hobo,
What are you talking about?
You seem to have this fascination with pedophiles makes one wonder if you are one your self. I am not saying you are one but just odd you keep bring it up.
Well according to TUX you can enjoy this in Second Life since you don’t need to have any morals to whats right or whats wrong and as long as you don’t get caught. So go knock your self out.
Tux
I do wonder why sexual age play is not allowed in second life since its just a game seems to me someone brought RL morals to the game and made it a rule. I mean i am sure some people believe that its morally OK to have s@x with underage people.
Amsterdam Cyberstar
Oct 28th, 2011
We have a saying in the Netherlands which translates as: “If all else fails, connect the subject with Hitler”
In journalism this means you have chewed out the same theme too often.
Then again, the “Popular Articles” feature of this paper ensures that old news stays on the front page for over a year.
hobo kelly
Oct 28th, 2011
One good example is that Paul sicko up there, every post he is going on and on about children this, young children that, he even tells us the age he prerfers: 4 year olds. Dont try to deflect, seek help before some parent catches up with you and puts a bullet in your head.
CheerGirl Allen
Oct 28th, 2011
IMO, 1 minor correction to the article written above, the photo caption reads
“the Pink Hands faction is becoming cynical about Linden Lab”
I think that is wrong, all of the Pink Hands faction members were already cynical about Linden Lab before joining the group, all the TPH group did was bring out true colors :-p
Reader
Oct 28th, 2011
“One good example is that Paul sicko up there, every post he is going on and on about children this, young children that, he even tells us the age he prerfers: 4 year olds. Dont try to deflect, seek help before some parent catches up with you and puts a bullet in your head.”
“I love to hear these pervs whine and cry and baaaaw about poor little griefers. This whole line of bullshit the 3 stooges have been desperately spouting off in here just goes to show the JLU arent getting their neccessary quota of teannie bopper stalking in and their pedo thermometer is going down and getting low so they are PISSED. Keep up the good work everybody who is pushing back against against them: its working.”
Shut up Mies
James Doe
Oct 28th, 2011
“I think that is wrong, all of the Pink Hands faction members were already cynical about Linden Lab before joining the group, all the TPH group did was bring out true colors :-p”
Then why are you all still playing in second life?
If your all so cynical about second life and dislike it go to opensim and create world where you all can grief with out being judged all you want.
It amazes me the amount of people that complain about second life yet they still come back in day in and day out. Or the ones who don’t log in yet still complain about it.
Yes we see true color that that Pink Hands idea of second life privacy is a bunch of BS. When one of the main members can’t accept the fact people want to keep their second life and real life identity safe. So he acts like a little kid and calls people cowards.
Senban Babii
Oct 28th, 2011
@James Doe
“I do wonder why sexual age play is not allowed in second life since its just a game seems to me someone brought RL morals to the game and made it a rule. I mean i am sure some people believe that its morally OK to have s@x with underage people.”
I think you’ll find that the reason LL includes certain specific exclusions on what is acceptable behaviour is that they have to comply with certain laws and regulations regardless of all other factors. The law and morality are not necessarily mutually inclusive.
But you know that, you’re just seeking to score cheap points where none exist.
Also, it is just me or is the Herald being screwy with comments recently? Today more than usual?
Paul
Oct 28th, 2011
I don’t think that Hobo is a pedophile despite his obvious fascination with the topic. Rather, it goes to my point: griefers have a child’s mentality and a child’s lack of ability to regulate their emotions and seem operate as if their interests are the only interests that should matter. Correspondingly, when faced with their own issues, they tend to respond in a childlike manner by shrieking and screaming. Reading Hobo’s and Rubble’s comments in here kinda remind me of the pterotacdyl guy in Harold & Kumar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ij3L4mpUzw
Tux
Oct 28th, 2011
So I slept, went to the office for eight hours, had my car valeted, and I come back to the trio (or parts thereof) still bringing up children, WTF?
Also you three, you can attempt to twist what I have said all you like, it doesn’t detract from the facts.
Now I am tired, and still have work to do. So while you three fantasise about children and griefer heads, I will relax for a bit, eat an evening meal and earn some money. Oh how individual we all are!
Paul
Oct 28th, 2011
Enjoy the meal, Tux! But please, remind us again about what tax bracket you are in and the many cars you own and how they get valeted. Clearly you think that point is important for some reason, but I think we missed it the first time. Is the point that material success in RL should be considered against behaving badly in second life?
James Doe
Oct 28th, 2011
@Senban Babii
Yes I should have stated that the statement that is was rhetorical.
The reason why “sexual age” play is now a no/no in second life was when it became major news that it was happening in second life.
But other things are forms of “deviant or kink” behavior is ok, for now.
Most people don’t realize that if they have a role-play sim and it is violent by lindens definition it should be on adult land sims.
But people as well as the lindens have not enforced this rule as of yet.
Yes I am trying to make a point that we do have some real life morals that have been applied to us in second life.
I wouldn’t say i am trying to keep score. I just feel its a small debate. I feel like when i use to be on my college debate team. Of course I tended to have all the facts with me when I debated.
Second Life is an evolving world it is always changing and the TOS/CS is always changing.
@Paul
“pterodactyl guy in Harold & Kumar”
That gave me a good chuckle, and yea your right.
That does remind me the new 3D movie of them is out soon.
James Doe
Oct 28th, 2011
@Tux
what trio you speaking about because Hobo keeps bring up the term Pedophile in the majority of his posts. he seems to be the one interested in it more than Paul, Reader or myself.
Hobo is on your side of the discussion so maybe you should speak to him.
Reader
Oct 28th, 2011
Tux, the typical fall back on pedo allegations is an easy cop-out. Also a trademark behavior of the idiots you hang out with.
Patriarch much?
Robble came clean on his “current” avatar, what say you?
Reader
Oct 28th, 2011
“Enjoy the meal, Tux! But please, remind us again about what tax bracket you are in and the many cars you own and how they get valeted. Clearly you think that point is important for some reason, but I think we missed it the first time. Is the point that material success in RL should be considered against behaving badly in second life?”
He has a thing about mentioning his social/economic standing today. What drives that behavior? Bragging gets you nowhere Tux.
Plus it’s hardly relevant. Mies has a habit of doing that too. Related?
Paul
Oct 28th, 2011
It is certainly a cop out to label us pedophiles, or accuse of being members of the JLU or Prok, but whatever. I have said many times that I never heard of the JLU or the Wrong Hands until I started reading the Herald. And while I do agree with a lot of what Reader and JD say, I don’t agree with all of it. For example, I personally could care less what avatar Tux uses, or Rubble, or JD. So what if someone uses a fake name in here rather then their ‘real’ fake name? I will leave the obsessions about rl or sl identity to Rubble, Prok, Tux, Kalel and the rest of you.
James Doe
Oct 28th, 2011
@Tux,
What facts?
No one has listed any facts here. We are all just expressing our opinion of how we play second life. I have yet to see any hard facts from you or from my self about the moral issue of playing second life. Since morals can not be factual.
Your idea how you desire to play the game differs from mine. That doesn’t make mine factual or yours.
I must be missing something do you work for Linden Labs? If so then is it the official statement from the lab how the game should be treated and played?
James Doe
Oct 28th, 2011
@Paul,
Whats so funny is we would give them a name and they wouldn’t believe us anyway.
But they what want me to hold their hand and go OK here is my face book page, please come and harass me. Like they have done to others they consider trolls. They are all hurt because they can’t make a you tube video making fun of my real life or second life.
That is why I find it so funny to call us cowards.
I could care less who they are this time in second life as well.
Senban Babii
Oct 28th, 2011
@James Doe
“Your idea how you desire to play the game differs from mine. That doesn’t make mine factual or yours.
I must be missing something do you work for Linden Labs? If so then is it the official statement from the lab how the game should be treated and played?”
Oh so you do actually agree then that one person’s approach to playing in SL does not have to be the same as another’s? You must therefore accept that there will be friction between those different approaches when they come into contact inworld but that this is perfectly normal and expected?
You must therefore also accept that griefing is in fact a perfectly valid approach to Second Life although I’d add the proviso that I would only agree if the griefing is kept wholly inworld and doesn’t step outside the playing area.
So do you accept that when Robble moved that prim to 4000m, what he did was perfectly acceptable because it was simply a different approach to playing in Second Life?
Bunjie
Oct 28th, 2011
@Reader
Nope, and don’t “claim” to know someone while hiding who you really are as there’s no honor in that and unless you’ve either fucked them or loved them, please don’t claim it so, either way you’re no Monica Lewinsky and I’m no Bill Clinton and I’m deceitfully sure (Bill Clinton Style) that we’ve never had an “improper relationship” or true friendship of any kind *wink*.
Bunjie: “I did not have sexual relations with that commenter, Miss/Mr Reader.”
You don’t really know someone until the aforementioned acts being a literal and non-figurative endeavor or a titty tongue twister.
My “list” aka what some seem to call a friends list back in the run up to 2008+ had a high turn over much like a typical Facebook ego that collects and processes based on social experiences or lack thereof, and regularly purged the virulently “Intensely irritating” and or overtly dramatic residents that bombarded me with links, teleport requests and instant messages begging for money and or land for their own selfish interests regardless of what type of “relationship” they claim we had.
If you was anyone with a shadow of deliverance on inside truths about me you’d have used your own name/handle and not hidden yourself like a coward expecting your own ego to be reviewed and exposed by other readers here, who by all accounts you hope will waste their time discovering who you are and then heralding your handle/name via the trumpeted corpse of what’s left of your avatar when they’ve finished disapproving of your conduct through virulently and “Intensely irritating” criticism.
Welcome to the Herald. <3 please use your real online handle so we can build rainbows.
Reader
Oct 28th, 2011
Lots of questions from Sen, the one who ditched Second Life ages ago for something better. I think you have the definition of “That” wrong Sen.
Check the bottom of your shoes; much to your amazement you are likely to find that they are covered in “This”.
Reader
Oct 28th, 2011
“If you was”
Nice reveal to the watchful eye of the Yang Bunjie.
The rest is TL;DR. Sorry. Boring blather. Take your rainbow building to Robble; he’s a rainbow kind of person. Perhaps you can help him with that zucchini bread recipe as well.
Paul
Oct 28th, 2011
Senban said: “So do you accept that when Robble moved that prim to 4000m, what he did was perfectly acceptable because it was simply a different approach to playing in Second Life?”
uhm no. I do not accept this, unless we are saying that SL is a game for immature children and narcissists (which of course it may actually be by default). If this is a hypothetical, and the person who owned the prim was going about their business playing their SL game, and Rubble came along and launched their prim to 4,000m against the wishes of the person doing the building, then it is NOT perfectly acceptable. It is childish and inconsiderate.
Senban Babii
Oct 28th, 2011
@Reader
“Lots of questions from Sen, the one who ditched Second Life ages ago for something better.”
See “Reader”, now I know you’re aware that your arguments don’t hold water, otherwise you wouldn’t be getting snarky
Lots of questions and observations? Yes, not my problem you’re finding difficulty with that. Can I suggest night classes?
Ditched Second Life for something better? Do you pay attention at all? Ditched SL because of the fact that LL allows people like the JLU and Redzone and all that stuff to attempt to control the world. Did not ditch for “something better”, I’d actually be happy to come back to SL if LL would take action to prevent people taking the game outside of the game. Until then I remain a happy observer, a bit like an anthropologist watching creatures in a reserve, watching their cultural groups interact.
Tell me though if I’m going too fast for you eh?
Senban Babii
Oct 28th, 2011
@Paul
Shh, grown ups are talking.
Now, for homework I’d like you to read “I, Avatar” by Mark Steven Meadows. It’s very good. Pay special attention to the discussion on griefing and morality in social interaction on pages 76-78.
“We are using avatars to test new moralities, to test the ideas of old moralities, and to test the possibilities of worlds in which no such thing as morals exist.”
Reader
Oct 28th, 2011
“Do you pay attention at all? ”
Absolutely. And you obviously yern to join the delusional frey on this rant-capade. You know Sen, between what you do here, what you post over on SLU and what you blather about on your own, personal freak-show blog site – I’d have to say you doth protest too much for “hardly ever loggin into Second Life” and claiming repeated that you’ve moved on long ago.
And this:
“I’d actually be happy to come back to SL if LL would take action to prevent people taking the game outside of the game.” is a laughable excuse for being a total mental case on the WWW. You are part of a number of groups in world that do they very thing you wish could be kept “in doors”.
Contradict much?
I’d given you the benefit of the doubt by admission of my own, and sloppy – not paying attention to “your” particular details.
That’s now been corrected.
Take you meds and shut up like Mies.
Paul
Oct 28th, 2011
@ Senban
I am curious, do you think that affecting an adult’s voice chiding me as a child improves my understanding of your perspective? Do you think it intimidates me? Do you think it makes me feel contrite? Does it make you feel smart and satisfied in a job well done?
you posted the quote:
“We are using avatars to test new moralities, to test the ideas of old moralities, and to test the possibilities of worlds in which no such thing as morals exist.”
Ok that is fine (I guess), but if you adopt this perspective as your own, you have to live with its implications: you are doing so with the explicit understanding that you DO NOT CARE whether or not the people around you are also willing participants in your grand experiment in morality.
From my perspective, this is, at its finest, grandiose rationalization for selfish and bad behavior. I am sure many people throughout history have rationalized their selfish abuse of others with similar sentiments that they are following some larger moral calling. It is a very convenient excuse for bad behavior, and it has the added benefit of making what is basically bullying behavior sound noble and purposeful for something other then the venal and petty pleasure of someone striving to feel strong by beating on someone else. /me shrugs
Senban Babii
Oct 28th, 2011
@Reader
“You know Sen, between what you do here”
Yes, I’ve always had a soft spot for the Herald since I saw an inworld ad for it shortly after starting SL.
“what you post over on SLU”
Which isn’t a great deal really but thanks for paying attention. SLU doesn’t carry much to interest me apart from the recent JLU threads.
“and what you blather about on your own, personal freak-show blog site”
I know, it’s brilliant, isn’t it? All those big words and everything! Not only this but pictures of pwnies and bears too!
“is a laughable excuse for being a total mental case on the WWW”
Am I getting to you yet am I getting to you yet? You have no idea what I get up to on the wobblewebs outside of SL circles. Here I’m actually fairly tame because it’s something I have an academic interest in.
“You are part of a number of groups in world that do they very thing you wish could be kept “in doors”.”
Hmm, I am? Oh well, I couldn’t even tell you what groups I’m even in without logging in. Many were actually filler included to allow me to legitimately refuse group invites (before they upped the group limit anyway). Most of the groups were even joined maybe two years or more ago. Either way I’m not responsible for anything that members or officers do in those groups and honestly don’t care. Certainly my membership is not an endorsement of any group unless I specifically say so.
Amusingly, I could have been banned a month ago and wouldn’t even have noticed, that’s how much I actually log in.
These meds you mention by the way, are they the ones that make spiders crawl over everything and wubble sclup sclup?
Imnotgoing Sideways
Oct 28th, 2011
I like Second Life. I think it’s getting better. I also think that getting rid of delusional vigilantes will make things even better. My SL has no need for AR jockeys. Especially when they go out of their way to list me as a “griefer” in spite of there being no incident ever which involved me griefing. =^-^=
So~o~o~o… What does Hazardous Liaison mean? (^_^)