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186 Responses to “Second Life Twitter War Goes Beyond Nasty”

1. 

   IntLibber Brautigan
   

   Oct 23rd, 2011
   

   James, LL has banned members of the wrong hands for conversations they’ve had on SKYPE, and for content on third party blogs. That said, Prokofy’s defamation is not limited to her blog, she does plenty of ranting and defaming inworld as well.
2. 

   Senban Babii
   

   Oct 23rd, 2011
   

   @James Doe
   “You are wrong with the SLU forums, the owner allowed Joshua and others to post the exact same kind of information the JLU collects. Even when it is a violation against SLU own TOS. why is that?”

   Well, let’s have a look at this.

   I think I mentioned above that I’ve only been a member of SLU for about two months and apart from some spurts of interest, I don’t even really look at it much. My point being, I don’t know the history of many of these people and so I can’t comment on specifics. However even I’m aware that recently GLU was banned (suspended?) from there for breaking TOS. And Prok was also banned. Honestly I’ve not seen any other bans since I joined but then I’ve not been looking for them. Compared to a lot of forums I’m involved with, I think SLU is pretty tolerant. I’ve moderated forums up to global admin level (not SL-related ones) that have been virtual war zones at times. I quit one forum when a zero tolerance policy came in. They began banning every single instance of breaking TOS and now that forum is a wasteland where once it was one of the most vibrant communities online. Enforcing TOS is an art, not a science. And that goes for enforcing SLU TOS, SL TOS and so on.

   However I actually do agree that there should never be a single moderator. There should always be a moderation team who will discuss any form of action before it is taken so as to ensure no favouritism. However, in SLU I see a community which is largely self-moderating anyway. In fact I’ve specifically seen members edit their own posts where they’ve realised something was exposed. So remind me who are the bad guys again?

   “So until the members who complain about the JLU start acting better than them.”

   Better how? You see groups like Woodbury, TWH or whatever don’t actually seem to collect data on people and store it without their consent. So already they’re acting better than the JLU. The fact that groups like TWH and so on have gone out of their way to expose the actions of the JLU and drag them into public awareness speaks volumes about who the good guys are here. Otherwise the JLU would have just kept up their AR parties and defamation in an attempt to exert control over access to the grid. Do you think that would have been alright? No, nor do I. So as far as I’m concerned TWH and similar groups who expose the actions of the JLU, Emerald or whatever should be given a medal. With a pwny on it.

   “I have asked people in my office as well, no one has heard of Prokofy Neva. Most only know Second life is some kinda of game.
   It is subjective to what our business are and our life styles.
   So My and your quick poll doesn’t mean anything.”

   Perfectly true, my straw poll can be considered interesting but not definitive. And it was only meant to indicate that personal brands frequently extend outworld (and I do have an interesting personal anecdote about that). But I imagine if you conducted a poll inworld, where that personal brand is more relevant, you’d find that more people are aware of Prok than you realise, even if it through third party media rather than direct inworld dealings.
3. 

   James Doe
   

   Oct 23rd, 2011
   

   “James, LL has banned members of the wrong hands for conversations they’ve had on SKYPE, and for content on third party blogs. That said, Prokofy’s defamation is not limited to her blog, she does plenty of ranting and defaming inworld as well.”

   Have the members of the wrong hands spoken to Linden Labs about these Skype conversations have they called them up and talked to them asking why they were banned for a skype chat? Have the people that been banned for the Skype talks been ones that have been previously banned? Just saying they been banned whats the history of them what were they banned for.
   I am sorry I do not believe Linden Labs is the great and evil place. I believe you can talk to them in an inteligent way.
   How come None of these members come back in the correct way by discussing the situation with LL? I have yet to see anyone of the people who have been banned to say they got back in to Second Life correctly with out having to have played sneaky Pete to get back in. I may have missed it but I haven’t seen anyone explain the converstation they have had. It may take time but if you were truely wronged you have a case to request you to be allowed back in.

   Now if you all tell me that well its worthless to talk to LL they won’t do anything. That is just a cop-out that you can’t be bothered.
   Then why do you care or why are you in second life still if you feel they will not do anything or change anything what is the point?

   “Better how? You see groups like Woodbury, TWH or whatever don’t actually seem to collect data on people and store it without their consent. So already they’re acting better than the JLU. The fact that groups like TWH and so on have gone out of their way to expose the actions of the JLU and drag them into public awareness speaks volumes about who the good guys are here”

   Actually they do collect data, wasn’t there a website where they posted JLU’s personal information? So the theory here is to wrongs make a right? Sorry if you want to people to be on your side you don’t turn around and do what your complaining about to the group that your against. It doesn’t show good faith that you desire to change your ways. Eye for an Eye doesn’t work in a situation like this.

   Also I suggest you read “Here is your opportunity to help sue Joshua Nightshade”
   Before you go on about how evil and wrong the JLU are. read the entire thread.
   You will see how people are doing exactly what the JLU does. But the ones fighting against the JLU are not commenting or going against Joshua and others in that thread?
   Why aren’t they talking out against it? Joshua called a persons home, just because someone wrote something on a blog. You don’t call a persons home, that is harassment.
   Just like getting the telemarketing calls if I am on a no call list they call me its harassment and there are laws against it. I don’t care if Joshua says he was going to just talk to the person. If they didn’t directly give Joshua their number and Joshua found it out. That is stalking and harassment. But not one of you other victims of similar harassment have said anything about it why? Don’t give me its not your business, you are after the JLU for the exact same issues. Linden Labs see’s this and goes look they let these others do the same thing their complaining about. Just because its public doesn’t make it any different than what the JLU did, Or even when Kalel got the knock on his door for trick or treating.
   These are all the same. I saw several people try to explain it but they got shot down in the threads.
   Anyway this can go on and on. We are basically at an impasse, you all see things one way I see it another. I won’t change your minds. You may be able to change mine since I have zero stake in any of this.
   But until you explain to me why certain things haven’t been done first besides it just won’t work I doubt you will convince me you all our the injured parties.
4. 

   GG3
   

   Oct 23rd, 2011
   

   @James

   JLU is operating without a license collecting personal(linked to avatars)information in their wiki. It has been proven not once, but twice that the wiki is insecure to be hosting such data in the first place.

   Folks are being mined mindlessly into the wiki without knowledge, consent, or even the opportunity to view what is being posted in their JLU-forced “slot” of data. Real-Life names, Addresses, Pictures, and other personally-identifiable information is just lingering about on cape-man’s wiki for his little group to access and blacklist from.

   Let’s draw in some common sense here:

   1) That is NOT safe internet “practice” that they brag of doing.

   2) Other than what kalel “says” the JLU is, users have no idea who is accessing their information. Do you honestly think JLU members are 100% “clean” that are accessing/grabbing this information? Considering the very –nature– of Second-Life is cause for legitimate concern, these are mary does and bob does tapping this info who have their own priorities behind it. If you think JLU members are ‘clean’ because of capes you are in denial. It has been proven time and time again folks have been thrown up in the wiki’s due to something as stupid as “butt-hurt” from a JLU member. Fur-Nation, anyone?

   3)Now teens on the grid. Do you honestly think parents would enjoy the idea of their daughter, or their son, who cannot even log-in SL without having one of these JLU idiots tracking down their family members through SL? Didn’t kalel have problems of a transgender teenager suicide? Speculating on the age of the very people he’s tracked, one of them considered a minor and yet still have identifying information about them posted for all his members to see?

   And how -old- is the majority of JLU members again? Grown adults.

   Now suddenly this person who has been collecting data(with the help of henchman) since 2006 has successively “removed” that information as told by one of their -other- leaders(GLE)?Hundreds and hundreds of pages on SL users? What lies. Kalel has been proven again and again that he is DETERMINED to continue data-mining. You forget, that the JLU also supported red-zone’s initial IP snatching and grid-wide black-listing, DMCA other websites, and editing as much information as possible on those websites. It is sheer control.

   “So until the members who complain about the JLU start acting better than them. Linden Labs will do nothing.”

   Sadly there are many things that LL does nothing about which I won’t list now.

   “Look at the woodbury griefers who keep coming in after being banned.”

   Prok’s been banned but she’s still here. Does that make her woodburry too? Lol!
5. 

   hobo kelly
   

   Oct 23rd, 2011
   

   my Bronie lies over the ocean…
   my Bronie lies over the sea…
   my Bronie lies over the ocean…
   oh bring back my Bronie to me…
   ———–

   Ok, if I may interrupt this long overdue Proky slagfest for just a moment…

   Back at the beginning of this article we were wondering about Jumpy and Stroker and LabRatuOut and whether Jumpy was working for the Lindens to get rid of Stroker, well lookey what I found from way back in May… A tread that Jumpy started that was Titled something like: “What Have You Done In Second Life” where he wrote:
   ——————

   well i have! AND I’VE DONE OTHER SPECTACULAR SHIT TOO! Here’s my landmark milestone crap. WTF have u done with ur virtual lives?

   1. i banged a mentor as a noob in her skybox before i knew wtf a skybox was

   2. i got added to banlink for tellin some turd how fat his wife’s ass was

   3. once i was carducci powered

   4. i won a best dressed contest without rigging it

   5. i got lil carducci to talk to me

   6. i made a million linden dollars rakin muck (yay slut magazine!)

   7. i made a friend of prokofy neva

   8. i made a frenemy of prokofy neva

   9. i made an enemy of prokofy neva

   10. i made prokofy neva’s FIC List (for doin evils)

   11. i assaulted a linden (boo torley!) WITHOUT gettin permabanned! (YUS! Jumpy fawt The Great Watermelon War and lawst)

   12. jumpy took ova a free sim run by some turdy edutard (boo public townscape) and ended up in the turd’s senior thesis

   13. jumpy negotiated the sl humpin rights to one jenna jameson (porn stars are greedy! what a ho!)

   14. jumpy was and remains a tool of linden lab (stroker serpentine is fair game!)

   15. JUMPY’S HOUSE IN SECOND LIFE SHOULD B A museum (juro kothari custom bitches!)

   16. jumpy kissed callie cline

   wtf HAVE U DONE HEHEHE

   http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/whos-kissed-callie-cline-and-some-mo-shit.1750/
6. 

   Tux
   

   Oct 23rd, 2011
   

   @JD

   Yes, Linden Lab has been informed each and every time. I have been in daily contact with them since being placed on administrative hold. Their response is to for me to make a new account. Which I have done. I have made a new premium account with the same payment info I used for my original account. No sneaky Pete here.

   However, if I wish to find out why the account Tux Winkler is on administrative hold I have to apply in writing to Linden Lab’s legal department. Which is a joke really.

   Even the Linden’s I know, who still call me Tux, will happily talk with me, but they wont comment on the account hold.

   So yes, LL knows what is going on. In addition to this I inform them every time a JLU suddenly appears next to an avatar they know I use. I also inform them of the HUD’s they wear and the objects on their avatar. Including the flawed MOAP calls from the objects they have on (still).

   They don’t know my premium account yet I think, but they would be really stupid to try and have this one banned as it would prove their obsession.

   What you have to remember is the JLU have no authority to collect information. They do not have a privacy policy. And they are not a real life organisation. Nor is any member fully vetted for stability. They are a bunch of paranoid power mongers. They have been reported to numerous legal authorities, and will no doubt still believe they have the right in the name of justice.

   LL is a game creator. It’s answer to the difficult questions is to shut down related accounts without reason. Then to stick their heads in the sand. There are Lindens, good and bad. Some side with the JLU other’s don’t. At the end of the day though, it is still a game.

   Finally, please do not confuse TWH with others, Joshua is not TWH. The website showing the JLU’s RL is not TWH.
7. 

   paul
   

   Oct 23rd, 2011
   

   Tux, so now that you have your new premium account, are you going to go “entertain” Prok at her sim like you said you would in the SLU?
8. 

   Senban Babii
   

   Oct 23rd, 2011
   

   @James
   “Actually they do collect data, wasn’t there a website where they posted JLU’s personal information?”

   Actually the only one I’ve seen myself listed information that was already on other sites i.e. Gene Turnbow’s home address. This was the “thelistsl” page, which seems to be more about exposing the activities of the JLU and their wiki, not conducting equivalent behaviour. But there’s a world of difference between exposing the activities of a group and being accused of doing the same thing as that group. But if you can provide a link that shows how THW or whoever also runs a function equivalent to Brainiac and Phantom Zone then please do so.

   “Also I suggest you read “Here is your opportunity to help sue Joshua Nightshade”
   Before you go on about how evil and wrong the JLU are. read the entire thread.”

   Yes, I saw that thread in passing and dipped into it. Once I realised it was not of direct interest to me (like many threads), I skipped over it. I don’t know Joshua Nightshade, he’s not done anything to me that I am aware of and I’m not here to fight every battle in SL. There are only two battles that interest me. One is getting Prok to stop publicly defaming me and the other is to have the JLU cease their datamining of SL residents and to stop them using that data to control who gets to access the grid and who doesn’t. They are self-appointed vigilantes with zero moral compass and they need to be exposed and taken out of the loop.

   But okay, to address one of your points. I do not believe that *anyone* should break the so-called magic circle and take what happens inworld, outworld. Consider this recent story.

   http://wownews.co.uk/news/517-grown-man-hunts-down-and-attacks-child-who-kills-him-in-call-of-duty-game.html

   So no, I don’t believe anyone should break the magic circle between gamespace and meatspace. It’s because this has increasingly become the norm though that I have all but abandoned SL. I prefer to play games where the game ends when I log off.

   But the fact that Tizzers once trick or treated Kalel does not justify Kalel’s subsequent actions. It does not justify datagathering and it especially doesn’t justify datagathering for the purposes of a self-appointed citizen’s watch to control who gets to access the grid and who doesn’t, via their Phantom Zone network and via their infamous AR parties. Kale Venkman has created a group that amounts to nothing more than a gang for the purposes of intimidation and control.
9. 

   Tux
   

   Oct 23rd, 2011
   

   @ Paul

   ‘Tux, so now that you have your new premium account, are you going to go “entertain” Prok at her sim like you said you would in the SLU?’

   I have had a premium account for a while now. It makes no difference.

   I offered to play with Prok because imo her loneliness is what is driving her crazy. I thought that a little normal interaction may just bring her back. Alas she refused, so no, I wont waste my time.

   Although it is interesting to note, two of her lands now have my products in.

   In response to Senban’s comments, it should also be noted the JLU’s stalking began BEFORE Halloween. A long time before in fact. Thus proving Kalel was in his paranoid delusion long before Tizzer’s became known.
10. 

    Senban Babii
    

    Oct 23rd, 2011
    

    @Tux
    “In response to Senban’s comments, it should also be noted the JLU’s stalking began BEFORE Halloween. A long time before in fact. Thus proving Kalel was in his paranoid delusion long before Tizzer’s became known.”

    Yes, reading back I can see how my words would give a different impression. You’re right of course and I didn’t mean to imply that the JLU’s origin point was Tizzers turning up at Kalel’s doorstep. Thanks for highlighting that so there was no confusion.
11. 

    paul
    

    Oct 23rd, 2011
    

    @ Tux

    I see, you offered to ‘entertain’ her as an act of kindness. That makes about as much sense as Rubble Robble just happenig to be innocently strolling down a Linden Road when out of nowhere, Prok swoops in with a physical prim and gets him ejected.

    You know the funny thing is you all saying things like these publicly in the middle of a self righteous snit about the inappropriate behavior of the JLU, where the basis of your argument is how “wrong” the JLU behave. You do realize that when you say things like that, there are people reading who start with no opinion about you and the JLU, but that form their opinion from your own words. Or are you deliberately just preaching lies to the choir with the reasoning that the general SL public might be stupid? or won’t read carefully? Or not care?

    It is similar to Intlibber, who continues to rant about how LL ruined his life and his business, but who through his words on this page just continues to demonstrate what a boob he is, leading others to believe that his problems were most likely all of his own making.
12. 

    Tux
    

    Oct 23rd, 2011
    

    @ paul

    ‘Or are you deliberately just preaching lies to the choir with the reasoning that the general SL public might be stupid? or won’t read carefully? Or not care?’

    I am glad that was a question. TBH, I don’t really care what opinions are formed, those days are long gone. If they are interpreted as lies, so be it. However, if as you say, people read carefully they will see what I say is the truth.

    The fact it fails to make sense to you is irrelevant. I will not explain my actions in depth to one who will fail to grasp even the basics of humanity.

    It is in no way similar to Intlibber. Whilst I did incur a monetary loss, I have never once publicly complained about it. This is because when I first made Tux I knew it was a character in a game. Any monies I put in was disposable. What is funny is the JLU seemed to know my financial status in game.
13. 

    paul
    

    Oct 23rd, 2011
    

    @Tux

    you said: “I don’t really care what opinions are formed, those days are long gone” and ‘The fact it fails to make sense to you is irrelevant’

    these statements are complete, 100% bullshit.

    I came into this discussion as an outsider when I started reading in the Herald about how the JLU were violating the law and violating the privacy of SL residents like me. You were explicitly one of the leaders of this movement, both here and on the SLU, and you apparent mission was to inform the rest of us so that we COULD form an opinion and that it WOULD make sense to us. The message being that the JLU were a bunch of doo-doo heads and should be immediately banned.

    Instead, you revealed yourself to be a completely partisan participant with a huge axe to grind, and in the process couldn’t even pretend to hide your advocacy for griefing second life residents, thus being guilty of the same kind of wrongdoings you so self righteously pointed fingers at the JLU for. You and Joshua and others kind of remind me of the old SNL sketch where you are puritan preachers screaming WITCHHH at eveyone but yourself.

    So don’t tell me you don’t care what the public things, because otherwise you 1) would have kept your mouth shut and just called the police about whatever illegalities the JLU have inflicted upon you. and/or 2) not screeched some obviously partisan drivel that would only make sense to a true believer.

    I guess there is a third option: that you are basically stupid on top of being self absorbed, and hypocritical. Who knows? Intlibber sure proved that about his/herself, so why not you?
14. 

    James Doe
    

    Oct 23rd, 2011
    

    @Paul
    I am in the same situation. I was observing this all from the outside and when you start reading the crusade against the JLU the people who are preaching that the JLU is doing wrong, and then you see on the SLU forums. The mob over on SLU are doing the same thing the JLU does and the righteous crusaders who claim they don’t like what the JLU do but say well that’s not my fight.
    Senban Babii says
    “Yes, I saw that thread in passing and dipped into it. Once I realised it was not of direct interest to me (like many threads), I skipped over it. I don’t know Joshua Nightshade, he’s not done anything to me that I am aware of and I’m not here to fight every battle in SL. There are only two battles that interest me. One is getting Prok to stop publicly defaming me and the other is to have the JLU cease their datamining of SL residents and to stop them using that data to control who gets to access the grid and who doesn’t. They are self-appointed vigilantes with zero moral compass and they need to be exposed and taken out of the loop”
    Well aren’t the people in the SLU forums self appointed vigilantes as well who are going after ~CLB~ and ~CM~ . They are data mining right on the thread. Looking for any and all occurrences of these people. Heck look above at hobo kelly who found something about Jumpman in other threads isn‘t that data minng? This is why anything against the JLU will fail will. It makes you all look like you have a personal issue with only the JLU or Prokofy . Instead of you all jumping in and saying to others you shouldn’t be calling people or posting face book pages or anything else. So it is seen by the linden labs as a vendetta against one group of people only. So it looks like the same BS that goes on with Jump man and Stroker two people in a pissing match. In this case of the JLU it’s a group vs. JLU. With Prokofy its Prokofy vs. a mob.

    Senban Babii if Prokofy defames you in SL report it. If she does it on the blog does it really affect you any way? Does it really harm your SL or your real life?
    Here look at some hate blogs of people who hate someone.
    http://rackjite.com/web/rush_limbaugh.htm

    http://blogcritics.org/scitech/article/god-must-hate-rush-limbaugh/

    http://www.moxiegrrrl.com/2005/08/another-reason-i-hate-rush-limbaugh.html

    You think Rush is crying about these blogs, ok he most likely has at one time. If you have ever listened to his show, he blocks out people who disagree with him. He screens every call even though he allows “public debate” only what he wants. Well guess what its exactly what Prokofy does.
    You all think Prokofy is crazy so why take stock in anything she says why care if she defames you what skin is it from your back? You say so many people don’t believe her then what harm is she doing to you?

    @Tux
    It doesn’t matter who started it that’s the kindergarten excuse of well they started it first. So I can do it, you all want us to believe that you are more mature than the JLU yet you use that excuse?
    So if the JLU jumps off a bridge you all will follow cause the did it first?

    JD
15. 

    Tux
    

    Oct 23rd, 2011
    

    @ paul

    ‘these statements are complete, 100% bullshit.’

    In your opinion.

    ‘I came into this discussion as an outsider when I started reading in the Herald about how the JLU were violating the law and violating the privacy of SL residents like me. You were explicitly one of the leaders of this movement, both here and on the SLU, and you apparent mission was to inform the rest of us so that we COULD form an opinion and that it WOULD make sense to us. The message being that the JLU were a bunch of doo-doo heads and should be immediately banned.’

    Firstly, I am not, nor have I ever been a leader of anything. It’s not my thing. My mission? In fact I never had one. I did share the information that was given to me, at that point I didn’t know how much information was going to come out. I didn’t realise the whole wiki had been leaked again. Had I known I would have tried to get it for myself.

    ‘Instead, you revealed yourself to be a completely partisan participant with a huge axe to grind, and in the process couldn’t even pretend to hide your advocacy for griefing second life residents, thus being guilty of the same kind of wrongdoings you so self righteously pointed fingers at the JLU for. You and Joshua and others kind of remind me of the old SNL sketch where you are puritan preachers screaming WITCHHH at eveyone but yourself.’

    I am neither pro or anti griefing tbh. I have never seen it as a big enough problem. I guess I do have a but of an axe to grind, mostly due to the persistent stalking I have been subjected to. Reading the JLU’s own meeting logs I see they are far more obsessed with me than I could have imagined.

    ‘So don’t tell me you don’t care what the public things, because otherwise you 1) would have kept your mouth shut and just called the police about whatever illegalities the JLU have inflicted upon you.’

    And why should I not voice my opinion when all around me others are voicing theirs? I have done everything the police have asked, although I am still in the dark about what they are doing.

    ‘and/or 2) not screeched some obviously partisan drivel that would only make sense to a true believer.’

    I am sitting here smiling. You see, I calmly voice my opinion or fact. I really don’t care how you try to twist my words. Like I said: irrelevant.

    ‘I guess there is a third option: that you are basically stupid on top of being self absorbed, and hypocritical. Who knows? Intlibber sure proved that about his/herself, so why not you?’

    And if all else fails, resort to insulting intelligence. We have seen this behaviour so many times now. Please, feel free to try and insult me. It has absolutely no effect (other than making me chuckle).

    @ JD

    ‘It doesn’t matter who started it that’s the kindergarten excuse of well they started it first. So I can do it, you all want us to believe that you are more mature than the JLU yet you use that excuse? So if the JLU jumps off a bridge you all will follow cause the did it first?’

    I totally agree, SL2RL is stepping over the line whoever does it. I don’t. I don’t want you to believe anything about me. Opinions are like arse holes, everybody has one. I certainly am not making any excuses. I do however, know how students are (having been one once upon a time). And finally, if the JLU jumped off a bridge I would be very surprised, but no I wouldn’t follow. I would take plenty of photo’s though.
16. 

    James Doe
    

    Oct 23rd, 2011
    

    “JLU is operating without a license collecting personal(linked to avatars)information in their wiki. It has been proven not once, but twice that the wiki is insecure to be hosting such data in the first place. “

    So are other places like SLU forums. I do not see you arguing against those places doing the same thing? Its even on a public forum. How come your all not over their complaining against them?
    2) Other than what kalel “says” the JLU is, users have no idea who is accessing their information. Do you honestly think JLU members are 100% “clean” that are accessing/grabbing this information? Considering the very –nature– of Second-Life is cause for legitimate concern, these are mary does and bob does tapping this info who have their own priorities behind it. If you think JLU members are ‘clean’ because of capes you are in denial. It has been proven time and time again folks have been thrown up in the wiki’s due to something as stupid as “butt-hurt” from a JLU member. Fur-Nation, anyone?

    I have never said that the JLU is not doing wrong or right. I also do not believe they are clean either. I am saying others are doing the same thing yet you all who are going after one group are not going after the others. Why not? I have asked many times, only answer I have seen its not my business.
    Well its not your business what the JLU does then is it?

    3)Now teens on the grid. Do you honestly think parents would enjoy the idea of their daughter, or their son, who cannot even log-in SL without having one of these JLU idiots tracking down their family members through SL? Didn’t kalel have problems of a transgender teenager suicide? Speculating on the age of the very people he’s tracked, one of them considered a minor and yet still have identifying information about them posted for all his members to see?

    I have not seen any proof that the JLU was responsible in the suicide of the transgender teen. It is speculation on everyone that they drove this teen to kill themselves. Sorry I don’t buy that. The teen obviously had many issues even before coming to second life and joining the JLU. The teen chose to do an interview and leak the Wiki to people. The teen felt they were doing the correct thing, but he knew what he was getting into or should have since he was part of the JLU. The Teen didn’t have to do that did they? To blame the JLU for this teens death is defamation as well and false.
    Only people who know why the teen killed themselves is the teen and whomever you may believe in as a almighty creator.
    The teen was of age to enter SL as well they were suppose to be an adult as well.

    Ok So my teen daughter comes to SL gets griefed by someone, then the JLU happened to be patrolling the sim they were “asked” to patrol. They help my daughter out. Guess that would make them heroes in my daughters eyes wouldn’t it.
    Would the JLU document my daughter, I have not seen this in the forums. Besides maybe they list her name as a friend or victim.

    Everyone plays the who is who’s alt game in sl, why because no one trusts each other.

    Many people were in support of redzone at the time.

    JD
17. 

    Tux
    

    Oct 23rd, 2011
    

    @ JD

    ‘Many people were in support of redzone at the time.’

    And many against it!
18. 

    Senban Babii
    

    Oct 23rd, 2011
    

    @Paul
    “They are data mining right on the thread. Looking for any and all occurrences of these people. Heck look above at hobo kelly who found something about Jumpman in other threads isn‘t that data minng? This is why anything against the JLU will fail will. It makes you all look like you have a personal issue with only the JLU or Prokofy . Instead of you all jumping in and saying to others you shouldn’t be calling people or posting face book pages or anything else.”

    Come on Paul, I know for a fact you’re smarter than this. You are willingly blending two arguments in an attempt at obfuscation.

    There is a world of difference between people having an open discussion (e.g. SLU or the Herald) where people are allowed to say what they please, within the limits of the specific forum and the idea of harvesting data for the very specific purpose of attempting to prevent people from accessing the grid.

    No one cares what Prok says on her blog. No one cares what the JLU write on their blog. What we do care about is when those people write in places directly related to SL (Prok and Rodvik’s profile for example) in an attempt to defame a person’s character. What we do care about is when those people use false information with which to prevent people fairly and reasonably accessing the grid by influencing people who use Phantom Zone so as to include people who have done absolutely nothing to be included on a subjective ban list.

    Now okay, Hobo Kelly just posted that link. It’s a public link.. Hobo Kelly can even keep it in a little database if Hobo Kelly likes. But if Hobo Kelly starts making conjectures around that link and starts adding people to subjective ban lists in an attempt to control who can access the SL grid, then Hobo Kelly has crossed the line.

    Consider when I got access to my own database entry thanks to thelistsl. Look at how much they got wrong! Now who cares, right? Well what if someone using Phantom Zone trusted those knuckleheads and I was unfairly banned from accessing whole areas of the grid, just because the JLU wanted to silence dissent?

    http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/general-sl-discussion/63339-jlu-harvesting-ip-addresses-298.html#post1366646

    @James Doe

    “Many people were in support of redzone at the time.”

    Hah, thank you for making our argument for us, more succinctly than we ever could
19. 

    James Doe
    

    Oct 23rd, 2011
    

    @Tux
    Exactly, the point was its a invalid argument against the JLU. Everyone uses it to say see they supported Redzone. They must be bad. How many people who were not bad and just regular residents supporting Redzone their were many as well.

    Yes everyone and I mean everyone got fooled in the end the hind sight was 20/20 then.
20. 

    Jimison Taylor Hutchinson
    

    Oct 23rd, 2011
    

    I’m Jimison Taylor Hutchinson. I am not a person with a ton of time on my hands to waste making hay on Twitter and Second Life (products I don’t really use).

    Sarah (EsBee) and I are in the final phase of divorce. We are not together. We have no conspiracy to harm anyone together.

    That someone is using my name is sick. I’m talking to a lawyer tomorrow morning to better understand my legal options.
21. 

    hobo kelly
    

    Oct 23rd, 2011
    

    The JLU are pedophiles and you should keep your teenage daughters far away from them. Talk about word salad, you JLU perverts outta get off of the Herald with your circular logic and go get castrated so you will stop chasing juveniles around second life.
22. 

    Bunjie
    

    Oct 23rd, 2011
    

    “JLU is operating without a license collecting personal(linked to avatars)information in their wiki. It has been proven not once, but twice that the wiki is insecure to be hosting such data in the first place. “

    “So are other places like SLU forums. I do not see you arguing against those places doing the same thing? Its even on a public forum.”

    I pointed this out to the forum threads where they’re acting to incite an “ar party” to remove someone from second life who they accuse of copybotting or some other shit, but I’ve seen other threads where individuals who have not taken part in the huge JLU thread have incited others who have taken part in the JLU threads to pursue residents in-world, not least “Dr something” doing Google investigations of Joshua’s “issue” and posting the results.

    This was out of order by all accounts but there’s not much that can be done if the will behind the curtain is to not care, as Cristanio is kinda liberal in his approach to what can go on there and Joshua is a prince among inciters that occasionally drives threads further into the gutter, the same way Pixeleen Mistral can’t change the etiquette of this site no matter how much she/he hates profanity and other aspects of it.

    But what I see you guys trying to say here is, if they’re doing the same why didn’t we stand up against them, well the simple answer is up until now most of us were passive users of that forum.

    I can’t speak for everyone but I feel we didn’t partake in that social environment enough to understand until after we tried to use it to get an issue out, I did read it during Greenzone and Redzone gate but because of all the “noise” surrounding issues and the number of blogs and other things it’s hard to understand the etiquette and social fabric of a single environment until you focus your time there as we did with the JLU issue.

    This is when we learned directly as we saw other threads unfold where second life residents were being hypocrites and doing what they said they were against, but no one here has been a hypocrite as far as I can see it’s only the bulk of SLU users who said they cared but turned out to have no morals and were just along for the ride/drama.

    And as you can see those people quickly lost interest and pursued Joshuas tail because the shit he was spewing was more interesting, then defended themselves and their hypocritical actions as if it was natural behaviour of the forum and should have been allowed to have been shit into the primary thread, and as you know neither me or fred wanted that to happen so the thread went quiet.

    As for Prokofy you don’t seem to understand how Google works, how search engines work and how stuff propagates, while we can just see her as crazy it nevertheless makes her dangerous but not someone we fear though as when someone Googles me or one of the residents and ex-residents here they get a strange and confusing picture of what that person is, you would have to be as dumb as a rock to not understand that reading it or not would put someone on their avoidance list.

    This is why shes a problem we can’t escape shes damaging residents and their business and their futures, her guidance of SL issues and delusions that some people do listen to and take on as fact get in every nook and cranny of peoples minds and is tester mount to mental abuse, I myself can neither forget or avoid her filth, her name, or her mental brand as things do remind me and bring it back up as issues in Second Life propagate and move forward to my ears.

    She repetitively tries to ruin residents and push their businesses into the ground by propaganda and miss information mixed with inflammation and intimidation of an issue disguised as Freedom of speech, long term residents who understand her ways have learned to take being blogged about somewhat as almost a complement as some do get traffic as the people who hate her buy that persons stuff etc just like with SLU when people only post in a thread so a signature will get eye balls, hence the hypocrites who only posted in the SLU JLU thread with no intention of staying long term or fighting for an issue.

    But the main issue is that her Google bombing and keyword spamming that is driving the wrong message about second life and the wrong message about those who use it to new residents and ones who’ve never heard of it or who’ve just goggled you and this is unacceptable behaviour to be spewing such hate from a basis she created and fabricated to get traffic for her land sales.

    She wants to be seen as the best of second life, the one fighting back against all the bad and those who wrong her but she intentionally plants seeds that cause the descent she writes about and this is where her business needs to be impacted with new residents the ones whom she claims to have cheap land for, the problem is that she has so many enemy’s that they just default to griefing her tenants to cause her business harm and drive off tenants, when it should be Linden Lab ranking her lower in some system that pulls on the abuse reports sent in because of how she operates is to cause drama and that drama drives up support costs to have to deal with her issues and she should be charged more as punishment for not being nice as everyone else who does business can be.

    She intentionally leaves open her group so it will happen and then she can write about it and the cycle of getting new residents, blog views and all eyes and minds on her returns on her shitty investment and it works because the fucks at Linden Lab don’t punish or penalise or impose a penalty on her business practices that drive up support costs and time away dealing with her issues.
23. 

    Bunjie
    

    Oct 23rd, 2011
    

    And the difference between Prokofys blog and the issue that Joshua blew out of proportion was the fact that Prok has a long standing blog with so much traffic that it’s hard to escape it’s mental impact through other residents who shun, brand and avoid you Vs someone writing about Josh on a shitty blogspot that is hard to get rid of without a lawyer and has so little traffic until Joshua blew it into everyone’s attention.

    While both will rank in Google linking to it on SLU as Joshua intentionally did drove it’s rank up in Google because of the SLU ranking and standing within the search engines, which he would know about as hes a mod on SLU as well as being a prince of cunts.

    If Joshua was as intelligent as he claims and others profess then he would have just lawyered up and quietly disposed of it and the person causing it, and if some crime was committed on top of what he claims a resident was doing in the JLU thread then it would have made more sense to have them quietly investigate it and not tip him/her off so they can get a better conviction.

    But his intent was always to get the drama and eyes focused on him as from day one as he was spamming his photos in that thread unchallenged by other forum users because they know what a cunt he is and or love him to bits for what ever reason hes popular.

    Point is Proks blog has far wider impact vs Joshua’s issue on that blog that he fabricated the impact though SLU to someone he knew hated him, like Prokofy tried to do when she thread bombed it so everyone was talking about her and visiting her blog/land/business etc.

    Money vs Ego.
24. 

    Bunjie
    

    Oct 23rd, 2011
    

    If you can’t understand, but understand occupy wall-street and the issues.

    We’re the 99% & Prokofy is the %1 that causing financial and mental harm to other residents, it’s time Linden Lab refreshed the social balance so this %1 who cause all the drama and issues like the JLU and “Wallmart Prokofy” get suitable penalties and directly pay for their support cost that’s above the standard premium account status.

    As most residents only ever need to send in 1/2 Ar’s per year or less, vs the JLU’s 2million and Prokofys stream of gobshit.
25. 

    paul
    

    Oct 23rd, 2011
    

    @ Bunji
    You said: ”She repetitively tries to ruin residents and push their businesses into the ground by propaganda and miss information mixed with inflammation and intimidation of an issue disguised as Freedom of speech, long term residents who understand her ways have learned to take being blogged….”

    but don’t forget, 99% of SL residents have never heard of Prokofy, so this problem is only among the 1% (of probably the 1%) of pre-2005 avatars who seem to think their fuedsl actually matter to anythone but themselves. What prokofy says about some other obscure 2004 resident will mean nothing for a 2011 avatar looking to buy fake palm trees and a sex bed.

    Alot of you sound like a bunch of whiners complaining about Prok. If she really is the pathetic cat lady you make her out to be, then all you need to do is completely ignore her. That cat lady sure makes you all jump and down like a bunch of puppets!

    @Tux. You protest your nonchalance too much. Don’t forget I read the SLU during the JLU lynch mob, and I read the Herald: you come off as one of the leaders of a partisan lynch mob. Count your posts, and re read them. Even now, for someone who “doesn’t care,” you are quick to respond. So, too late! you have no credibility. But that’s right, you don’t care.

    btw, I didn’t insult your intelligence, I suggested that one possiblity was that you were stupid. If you choose to react to that, well, what is to be said?
26. 

    Tux
    

    Oct 23rd, 2011
    

    @ paul

    ‘@Tux. You protest your nonchalance too much.’

    I enjoy your responses.

    ‘Don’t forget I read the SLU during the JLU lynch mob, and I read the Herald: you come off as one of the leaders of a partisan lynch mob.’

    Really? Did others follow me? Hardly, because I was building a new account/business in SL.

    ‘Count your posts, and re read them.’

    Yes I posted a lot, probably more than most, after all I had a lot of exposure to the stalkers in spandex.

    ‘Even now, for someone who “doesn’t care,” you are quick to respond.’

    Because I am working at my pc and your responses hit my mailbox almost instantly. Had I been otherwise occupied it may be days before I posted a response.

    ‘So, too late! you have no credibility.’

    In your opinion. lol.

    ‘But that’s right, you don’t care.’

    Nope

    ‘btw, I didn’t insult your intelligence, I suggested that one possiblity was that you were stupid. If you choose to react to that, well, what is to be said?’

    You attempted to imply this. You failed. I reacted because I had already guessed how you would respond. I was right.

    @ Jimison

    Seriously, if that’s true, then count yourself lucky. Go find your proper soul mate!

    As for your lawyer, don’t waste your money, it’s just internet drama. It’ll be over before the next wiki leak.
27. 

    James Doe
    

    Oct 23rd, 2011
    

    @Tux
    I was reading you post on the SLU that Tizzers was no threat to Kalel.
    Ok first, Why did Tizzers and others go to Kalel’s home? In part I am sure it was a joke, but also much like Joshua calling ~CLB~ they did it to say see we know where you live see. I can get to you.
    Everyone saying they were harmless is full of it. Were Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold harmless? If you need help with who they were I give you help. (Columbine High School massacre occurred on Tuesday, April 20, 1999)
    Look what two high school students did to a high school. So I am sorry if my wife was home alone and I was out that night with my daughters and she said these older college kids came to the door and said something, And then I connected it to what was going on in second life. I would have contacted the police and then also talked to my friends in a bravado fashion saying I could have shot them for what they did coming onto my property. Actually Tizzer was lucky he didn’t mess with a man who was prone to violent.

    You found out where I live, so who knows what you are capable of doing so don’t play it off as no big deal. It was and anyone here saying it wasn’t is full of it.
    I am not saying that what Kalel did either is correct but he didn’t show up at Tizzers door or at his dorm room.
    How did Tizzers get Kalels home address? Oh they did what the JLU did data mining the web for the information.

    JD
28. 

    Tux
    

    Oct 23rd, 2011
    

    @ JD

    Good questions:

    ‘Ok first, Why did Tizzers and others go to Kalel’s home?’

    There was a party a couple of streets over from what I understand, they was passing on their way home. Stupid kids!

    ‘In . . . it.’

    I know little of what you say, and tbh I can’t be bothered to look it up.

    ‘I am not saying that what Kalel did either is correct but he didn’t show up at Tizzers door or at his dorm room.’

    No but he did send letters to the University Administrators.

    ‘How did Tizzers get Kalels home address? Oh they did what the JLU did data mining the web for the information.’

    Erm, the return address on the letters?
29. 

    James Doe
    

    Oct 23rd, 2011
    

    @Tux,

    So The college gave Tizzers these letters from Kalel? When the Letters were not addressed to Tizzer but to the administrators of the school?
    Do you understand if Tizzers did anything to Kalel or his home or his family the University would be reasonable as well. Those administrators were irresponsible and now I think it makes it worse that they provided Tizzers the means to go and prank Kalel. That University should be investigated and loose its accreditation if they did such things. If those letters were not addressed to Tizzers he should never have had them.

    To sit their and say it was stupid kids it doesn’t give them off what they did. If vandalized the home would it be just stupid kids? Tizzer was considered an adult by American standards, able to vote go to the army and be convicted as an adult as far as I am aware of. If they were drinking then he is over 18.

    JD
30. 

    Tux
    

    Oct 23rd, 2011
    

    @ JD

    I believe he was shown them not given them. Which any education authority I know of would also have done. I would, and have, do the same to for staff. If a letter was sent to me complaining about a staff members personal life I would call them in and show them the letter. It is not possible to evaluate a situation until you have heard all sides of the story.

    You are using a lot of what ifs. None of which actually happened. You should look at what happened. There was no threat, no damage, no vandalising. So yes IMO it was stupid kids.
31. 

    James Doe
    

    Oct 24th, 2011
    

    @Tux,
    I am saying that if people at least in the US would have reason to feel threatened or paranoid over someone knocking at a door or making a phone call to a persons home over something that happens in a game, or virtual world. You do not know what it will take to make some one snap.
    You know damn well it was made as also see I know where you are. It was a way to scare them just like Joshua’s phone call to ~CLB~.
    I disagree you can show the letter but their was no need for them to show the address. So Tizzer was on staff or was he a student?
    If he was on staff then it was not a Stupid Kid Prank.
    If a student the adminstration didn’t need to show the Address to him. So the school is in the wrong.
32. 

    Tux
    

    Oct 24th, 2011
    

    JD, I think we established she didn’t see it as a threat, although I suspect Kalel did. Or he was quite upset that he had been rumbled.

    I don’t know what you mean by this, can you re write it for me?
    ‘You know damn well it was made as also see I know where you are.’

    Again I don’t know about Joshua’s drama, it doesn’t relate to me. And I avoid that sort of thing if I can.

    Staff or student it doesn’t matter, it was a stupid prank. It happened, and Kalel showed his true colours. Thankfully no one got hurt. Like I said elsewhere, had Kalel been at home with his family, not seeing his byte on the side, perhaps the outcome would have been different (I bet the door would not have been answered).

    And I would certainly show the letter in its entirety, a staff members personal life is not my business. I would expect them to deal with it so I don’t receive that sort of thing across my desk in the future.
33. 

    GG3
    

    Oct 24th, 2011
    

    @James

    You speak of these “other places like SLU Forums” is hosting private data in the same way JLU hosts data upon SL users? Last time I checked the forums any posting of RL information on the site is forbidden unless stated otherwise.

    “Well its not your business what the JLU does then is it?”

    Clearly yes, it is the business of those who use SL when the JLU do not mind data-scrapping those who use Second-Life. It also can affect the potential user who may be considering opening an account on SL whether or not it is worth doing-so, word on the internet does travel. You say others are doing -exactly-same thing the JLU is? No surprise if there are, but JLU is one of the bigger and older ones that are more known that are suppose to be the “good guys” claimed to be.

    “The teen felt they were doing the correct thing, but he knew what he was getting into or should have since he was part of the JLU.”

    Let’s back that up there. This is, once again a teenager who had contact with the JLU. As I mentioned aboved Kalel and his group had problems situating around the teenager(even when they had their own). Could this person been subjected to harassment? Possibly, it as a fact they had been leveled up to griefer status by the JLU. There are plenty of adults who have been past and current.

    “The teen didn’t have to do it did they”?

    Suggesting that anyone disagrees with the JLU’s actions is allowed to be subjected to ‘flogging’ by this group? That is not “defamation” to question the JLU’s antics. Kalel has in the past speculated on the age of the very people who he put in his wiki, with pictures and name for all of his group to see, guessing if they were minors or not(the instance were Kalel speculated over Tizzer’s age of 17, for instance? Pictures and all?) Let’s not also forget that JLU had made real-life calls to said people’s places of work, school.

    “Would the JLU document my daughter, I have not seen this in the forums. Besides maybe they list her name as a friend or victim. ”

    JLU keep records of people they also meet in SL, it does not necessary have to be those that they label as “griefer”. These records are known as “Personage”, Friend, etc. It is a slot of data to fill for possible future-references, especially if you are a ‘person of interest’. This can be found in past and current wiki exposure.

    There were those who were in 100% support of Red-Zone was due out of desperation/paranoia to do whatever it took to possessively “protect” their lands. Then there were others who took Red-Zone because they believed it as being a security device (even with the blatant “IP Detection” Logo on the advertised product picture).
34. 

    James Doe
    

    Oct 24th, 2011
    

    @Tux.
    “JD, I think we established she didn’t see it as a threat, although I suspect Kalel did. Or he was quite upset that he had been rumbled.”

    If Kalel’s wife didn’t know what was going on she would not have seen it as a threat, but i am sure when Kalel explained to her what happened she was scared. I know my wife would be. Wondering how they got our home address why are they doing this.
    Sorry I think Tizzer showed his true colors as well as Kalel.
    Gasp Kalel was talking to people in his group that he would have shot them. Please if you assume that Tizzers thing was a Prank then you can not take what Kalel said seriously about shooting them.
    So just stop saying they were threating to kill them. I know and you know damn well Kalel would not have done it.

35. Understanding the “Little Hitlers” of Second Life | The Alphaville Herald
    

    Oct 24th, 2011
    

    [...] when Lab staff are swept up in an ugly cycle of Twitter/Google bombing payback as we saw with the LabRatuOut mess? After a concerted effort to attract the Lab’s attention to the recent excesses of the [...]
36. 

    bored by this bs
    

    Oct 24th, 2011
    

    Once a letter is properly delivered to its intended recipient, only a child would expect it not to go further. The recipient of the letter opens it and is free to do what they wish to do with it, within the constraints of law. Schools in the United States are required by law to allow students to inspect their educational records. Students’ disciplinary records are part of their educational records. If there is some sort of accusation against the student, the school would be required to show it. A rational person would not send a letter containing all sorts of accusations and expect it to be kept “private” by the recipient. Schools don’t keep secret databases on their students. It’s against the law.
37. 

    paul
    

    Oct 24th, 2011
    

    If someone rings the doorbell of the private home of an ‘enemy’ they have on a computer game, they would have to be seriously naive to think that a muzzle of a shotgun would be an unreasonable response. How could they not think that what they are doing would not be considered incredibly threatening, invasive, and creepy? some prank, eh?
38. 

    James Doe
    

    Oct 24th, 2011
    

    @ bored

    They are allow to see the record you are correct.
    That does not include “address’s” to all the professors homes or some other persons. If the school allowed that to be seen by a student if that student went and did something to that professors home then the school would be healed responsible for supplying the student with the information. In this situation Woodbury violated the privacy of Kalel and showed Tizzer the return address of the letters. If Tizzer went over their raped Kalel’s wife. You all would be saying how wrong the school was. But you don’t know what the conversation was as Tizzer and the group decided to go over to the house, or on the ride back unless you were one of the ones who went with them. So cut the defense of the school they did wrong. Its why many things have changed since Columbine
    And 911 in the US. Tizzer did wrong. You do not know what people are capable of doing at the time.
    Yes in the end it was a Prank but it could have been different and that’s the point of this.

    JD
39. 

    James Doe
    

    Oct 24th, 2011
    

    “hobo kelly
    Oct 23rd, 2011
    The JLU are pedophiles and you should keep your teenage daughters far away from them. Talk about word salad, you JLU perverts outta get off of the Herald with your circular logic and go get castrated so you will stop chasing juveniles around second life.”

    Thank you Hobo for showing exactly why linden labs doesn’t care.
    You all complain about being defamed, being called a griefer. Yet Hobo here calls the JLU a bunch of Pedophiles. Let me see what is the more defaming in this situation. Hmmmmmmmm
    Where is your proof of them being pedophiles?
    Thank you Hobo for showing the hypocrisy of it all.

    JD
40. 

    Tux
    

    Oct 24th, 2011
    

    @ JD

    ‘If Tizzer went over their raped Kalel’s wife. You all would be saying how wrong the school was.’

    Actually, I would be saying ‘See what happens when superheroes stick their noses in!’, you see had Kalel not tried to be the light of justice, Tiz would never have known who he was. So your persistent blaming of WU and Tiz fails once more. Playing the role of superhero and placing yourself in the firing line means you will get shot. Unlike the JLU though, Tizzers weapon of choice was a simple curious prank. Had Tiz been as unstable as Kalel maybe it would have been a lot different. It wasn’t. So your fictitious what if’s only serve to show how the JLU’s actions are in fact endangering their own health.

    As for the JLU being paedophiles, well I don’t know. I have seen two very clear examples of Kalel grooming young boys though. To what end I don’t know, but the grooming was perfectly clear to all.
41. 

    James Doe
    

    Oct 24th, 2011
    

    @Tux
    Give me a break

    “As for the JLU being paedophiles, well I don’t know. I have seen two very clear examples of Kalel grooming young boys though. To what end I don’t know, but the grooming was perfectly clear to all.”

    Wow I brush my daughter’s hair or give them a bath when they are young. Does that make me a Pedophile? You’re just trying to defame them just as much as they defame you. So please let’s see the proof as you state. You have none. You have no idea who the boys are, they could be his sons or his nephews so get real. You are not helping your case that the JLU and Prokofy defame you by calling you all griefers when you allude to the JLU being Pedophiles. Hobo’s is actually worse in my opinion.
42. 

    Tux
    

    Oct 24th, 2011
    

    Actually JD, I do know who the boys are (in RL too). And there is no defamation intended. I am merely stating fact.

    I will not show you proof as it is not relative at present to ‘my case’. Which by the way I don’t have. You see with every post on this sort of thing google returns more information, even your countering arguments draw public doubt on the JLU.

    So please continue.
43. 

    James Doe
    

    Oct 24th, 2011
    

    @Tux
    The sword is a double edge sword, when Hobo defames Kalel by calling him a pedophile, and you then state you know who the kids are but refuse to say it. But leave it hanging well it could be just so you can have a Google search to try to shed doubt on the JLU. This is why Linden Labs does nothing about them. You all are just as guilty of the JLU or Prok tactics making crap up to fit your idea.
    Seriously you all are no better than them.
44. 

    Tux
    

    Oct 24th, 2011
    

    JD, perhaps the chat logs will come out in the leaks (although I seriously doubt it). But I don’t want grooming to be what the JLU is known for. You see it will shadow everything else. So I refuse to provide anything to that effect.

    What you are not realising is google will promote the stories the comments are added to. So therefore each comment you make means the story itself is promoted.

    Children searching for Green Lantern will return GLE’s comments, the same is true for the other heroes.

    As for my idea, well tbh I am just playing along. No plan, no case, no ideas. It is clear Tux will forever be held in flux, or I would not have been advised to start over. That said I have new products out already and have quite a good distribution again. And this time I haven’t put any money in (aside from the annual premium fee of course, which is negligible).
45. 

    hobo kelly
    

    Oct 25th, 2011
    

    well Michief Makers, I cannot remember if I played this cartoon earlier or not. if I did play it earlier then this is a rerun sorry.

    Ok, lets all watch this cartoon made by Linden Lab Rat in 2009 where a smartly clad Jumpy Lane and a srs bsns M-Linden discuss plans on how to screw over Stroker Serpentine… Foul Language warning Michief Makers, just the way you like ‘em… come on along!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=N2Xc2SzTM9w
46. 

    Darien Caldwell
    

    Oct 30th, 2011
    

    That LL would try to ‘take down’ Stroker is ludicrous. For every stroker they may ‘take down’, theres 10 people ready to fill the void.

    If LL were to get rid of all the sex content creators, there woud be little left in SL. And probably no SL period.
47. 

    Pussycat Catnap
    

    Nov 23rd, 2011
    

    @Senban Babii:

    “Compared to a lot of forums I’m involved with, I think SLU is pretty tolerant. I’ve moderated forums up to global admin level (not SL-related ones) that have been virtual war zones at times.”

    SLU has at times been anything but tolerant. Fall out with the right clique there and it will become a viscous roasting on very personal levels using all sorts of ethnic, gender, or political hate-speech – with moderators even joining in rather than toning down. Tread carefully there, lest the wrong person find something objectionable about you.
48. 

    Senban Babii
    

    Nov 23rd, 2011
    

    @Pussycat Catnap

    I appreciate the warning and I’m sure you’re right but beyond keeping a casual eye on any JLU thread updates I don’t really have anything to do with SLU (or even SL anymore) so I shouldn’t cross paths with anyone.
49. 

    fortesque smythe
    

    Dec 16th, 2011
    

    WOW alphaville herald has sunk to new depths
    It’s gone from being the dildo of the 4chan mob and a second rate
    sluniverse rag to becoming nothing more than some trappy bitch that reports on stuff so insignificant and obscure that most people who read it wonder if some illiterate 14 year old poison pen writer isnt at the helm
    FFS is this all you can offer us. there has to be something more than this?
50. 

    JugdeDread
    

    Jan 7th, 2012
    

    Second Life would be better off if they got rid of all the American users. 99% of all SL drama are caused by Americans. Look at the Woodbury crew, JLU, PN’s, Prokofy Neva, SLU users, Alphaville Herald and so on. All power crazed animals!

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